X2 5000+ Black Edition – I Dared and got 3.7Ghz on Air. [Archive]

TiTON

10-19-2007, 09:49 AM

Hey Folks,

Wanted to share my results on the new AMD Black Edition. With the price being approximately $130 on NE, and unlocked multiplier. I wanted to give the processor a shot.

The Brisbane core and 65W makes it very fun to play with.

System Setup:
AMD x2 5000+ Black Edition
Biostar 570 SLI
Zalman CNPS9500 AM2

First off.. Suicide Screen shot on Air @ 1.65v = 3.707 Ghz

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=253783

http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/253783.png

Here are some initial runs with the processor. These scores are focusing on CPU Speed. I did not tweak or overclock the memory.

1mb SPI @ 3.3Ghz with Stock vCore (16x by 206Mhz)

http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3300_stock_vCore_13v_16x.jpg

32mb Spi @ 3.4 Ghz with 1.5vCore (16x by 214Mhz)

http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3400_spi32_vCore_15v_16x.jpg

With the 5000+ Black Edition only half the price of the 6400+, you have a VERY attractive processor.

I will try post more results as I have time to run them.

Ton

ryboto

10-19-2007, 09:55 AM

great results! did you really need that much of a vcore increase to go from 3.3 to 3.4?

TiTON

10-19-2007, 10:09 AM

Hey Ryboto,

Actually I don't think so. I was just playing aroudn with the processor to see what it can do. I haven't had time to really strap down the CPU and fine tune the performance vs voltage. Hopefully I will have time this weekend to get some better results :)

Ton

PhilDoc

10-19-2007, 10:33 AM

Congradulations, great cpu. looking forward to see what she can do.

Unoid

10-19-2007, 10:47 AM

If only amd could refine their 65nm proccess as well as that have for their 90nm

we'd have 3ghz barcy and phenoms out now. :-/

However I think we'll see 4ghz+ out of phenoms before they go .45

BeardyMan

10-19-2007, 11:01 AM

Doing a fine job there, keep us updated in further cooling.

3800x2

10-19-2007, 11:11 AM

That 1mb SPI run is way to slow i got 36.5 at 2400Mhz.

Lightman

10-19-2007, 12:23 PM

@SuAsDu: Are you going to try find CB on that baby? So far it's looking better that I could imagine :cool: !
Keep us updated!

FatAlbert

10-19-2007, 12:32 PM

SuAsDu, maybe you can use a chiller? :)

Viper666

10-19-2007, 04:23 PM

If only amd could refine their 65nm proccess as well as that have for their 90nm

we'd have 3ghz barcy and phenoms out now. :-/

However I think we'll see 4ghz+ out of phenoms before they go .45

Brisbane is 65nm:yepp:

safan80

10-19-2007, 05:16 PM

that superpi is slow. hopefully the next gen AMD chips are faster.

ferrari_freak

10-19-2007, 06:46 PM

That 1mb SPI run is way to slow i got 36.5 at 2400Mhz.

Yeah my S939 3700+ Sandy does around 37-38 (don't remember too well) at 2.375 (haven't messed around with this proc much, kind of lost interest in going water and then never got around to getting air).

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

mrcmtl

10-19-2007, 07:12 PM

Yeah my S939 3700+ Sandy does around 37-38 (don't remember too well) at 2.375 (haven't messed around with this proc much, kind of lost interest in going water and then never got around to getting air).

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

its because of his ram...hes running DDR2-412 from his pic...his 32m score is much better since he got up to DDR2-800+.

PhilDoc

10-19-2007, 07:19 PM

Yeah my S939 3700+ Sandy does around 37-38 (don't remember too well) at 2.375 (haven't messed around with this proc much, kind of lost interest in going water and then never got around to getting air).

Usama aka Ferrari Freak

Yep, the spi is low. At 3.3G, about the same speed as his, I get 26s out of an Opty 185. I'm also running the ram at 275 (3,3,3,8,1T), while he's at 207 (presumably at 4,4,4,12,2T). It also looks like he might be in single channel mode on his memory. Throw in the L2 of 512K vs 1M and his score is probably fine.

Its a great overclock for this cpu. Probably going to be one of the best around. Once he optimizes his memory his spi score will come up.

AgentGOD

10-19-2007, 07:20 PM

http://i24.tinypic.com/2l90brk.jpg

Only 2.91 GHz.

metro.cl

10-19-2007, 09:02 PM

Impresive, if amd can get K10 to cloc like this they should do great

mrcmtl

10-20-2007, 06:56 AM

Yep, the spi is low. At 3.3G, about the same speed as his, I get 26s out of an Opty 185. I'm also running the ram at 275 (3,3,3,8,1T), while he's at 207 (presumably at 4,4,4,12,2T). It also looks like he might be in single channel mode on his memory. Throw in the L2 of 512K vs 1M and his score is probably fine.

Its a great overclock for this cpu. Probably going to be one of the best around. Once he optimizes his memory his spi score will come up.

you're running DDR 275=550....hes running DDR2 206=412...he'll need about DDR2-1000+ to equal your ram bandwidth...BIG DIFFERENCE

TiTON

10-20-2007, 09:08 AM

Hey folks.

sorry for the slow response. Its the weekend, and I am hardly online.

Yes.. my 1mb spi is VERY slow. I was factoring out the ram, that is why it is running at only like 200Mhz, and the ram was at single chanell too. I have Ballistix 8500 / OCZ 8500 to run for some real score :)

I will run better spi 1mb in a few days. I have to do a DICE run tomorrow (not amd). so I won't be able to touch the black edition till later.

As for cooling,I only have air / water / phase / dice. I don't have a chiller to run on the black edition. I have ran Phase on the 65nm.. and its not pretty. CB at like 0c. This is straight SHut Down CB.. not slow FSB. Maybe the blackedition will do better :)

I will keep everyone posted :)

Ton

Kunaak

10-20-2007, 11:42 AM

BeardyMan

10-20-2007, 11:53 AM

I love when 1 person proves everyone wrong.

in the news section 95% of people had nothing but bad things to say about this CPU.
me, and like 2 other people were the only ones trying to keep things positive.

now a month later...
look at this.

I love that.

incredible CPU, great price.

indeed sames goes for that X2 6000+ that i recently bought.

I mean the thing get's 3.5/3.6ghz on air!! dual core :yepp:
multi 15 just like that for 135$, bargain it is

Exedy

10-20-2007, 11:58 AM

Good man :up: It´s a nice cpu

3.2Ghz = 1.35v ?

PhilDoc

10-20-2007, 02:40 PM

you're running DDR 275=550....hes running DDR2 206=412...he'll need about DDR2-1000+ to equal your ram bandwidth...BIG DIFFERENCE

If you read my post, that's what I said. I also talked about several other things that would give him a lower score.

mad_skills

10-20-2007, 03:33 PM

that black edition will do sub25s no problem..
i have 27.8xx ish seconds on my 5000+(standard) on air so this with a tweaked windows will do a good time no problem
great cpu man:clap:

Gothic

10-20-2007, 06:44 PM

mad_skills

10-20-2007, 06:47 PM

no, i don't think so..
it just G2 revision, not the crappy G1 which most of 5000+'s are...has the multi and that's that..overall a better cpu than the standard Brisbane but i don't think it's some sort of a Barca..

PhilDoc

10-20-2007, 07:58 PM

This thread made me wonder about a couple things...

- Is this Black Edition Brisbane just an unlocked retail Bris? Or is it a different revision?

- Did AMD finnally got it's 65nm proccess to work equal-to-better than it's 90nm one?

I don't think its a newer revision and I hope you're right about the 65nm, but I think they just cherry picked the cpus. Took the best clocking 5000+ and shiped them as the black edition.

AgentGOD

10-20-2007, 08:20 PM

I don't think its a newer revision and I hope you're right about the 65nm, but I think they just cherry picked the cpus. Took the best clocking 5000+ and shiped them as the black edition.
At least this proves that AMD's 65nm CPUs CAN clock higher than 3 GHz.

mad_skills

10-20-2007, 08:22 PM

much higher than 3GHz for that matter :)

PhilDoc

10-20-2007, 08:24 PM

At least this proves that AMD's 65nm CPUs CAN clock higher than 3 GHz.

I strongly agree and its very good to see.

ea6gka

10-20-2007, 09:21 PM

thats great news , go 65nm , go!

EvlUndrWareNome

10-20-2007, 09:23 PM

I think I will buy one :)

BeardyMan

10-21-2007, 12:59 AM

At least this proves that AMD's 65nm CPUs CAN clock higher than 3 GHz.

i've had 3 65nm cpu's they al clocked 3ghz on boxed cooling stock vcore :) at high-end air they wen't easy to 3.4-3.5.

65nm will clock as easy as 90nm. If not even better .

Lightman

10-21-2007, 03:15 AM

I don't think its a newer revision and I hope you're right about the 65nm, but I think they just cherry picked the cpus. Took the best clocking 5000+ and shiped them as the black edition.

I'm sorry but this is new revision! Normal Brisbane is rev G1, this one is rev G2. Look at CPU-Z stepping code and compare to normal Brisbane ones.... :)

tictac

10-21-2007, 03:20 AM

l2 cache still lagging?

informal

10-21-2007, 03:40 AM

l2 cache still lagging?

Tictac,i think it's not much of an issue with L2 as it is with very low DDR2 speeds(he ran in single channel with DDR2-400..).
L2 is the same as in RevG1,slightly larger latency but noticeable only in very few tests/benchmarks and less in real life(1-3%)

PhilDoc

10-21-2007, 05:11 AM

I'm sorry but this is new revision! Normal Brisbane is rev G1, this one is rev G2. Look at CPU-Z stepping code and compare to normal Brisbane ones.... :)

Yes I know. I think he was asking if it was even newer than the G2.

Milans

10-21-2007, 05:49 AM

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=321677 << here you have small review of G2.

Generally:
Performance per MHz: G1 < G2 < F2 = F3
OC: F2 < G1 < F3 ~ G2

It's difficult to say which stepping (G2 or F3) could work faster. F3's record is ~4.2GHz. G2? We don't know yet because there is still not many people who use it ;)

mad_skills

10-21-2007, 07:08 AM

probably even more than the F3 revision

TiTON

10-22-2007, 03:08 PM

Hey Folks,

Thanks for you patience. I finally had time to run the BlackEdition today w/ Tighter Ram.

To give everything an apple to apple comparision, the following screenies were all done w/ the default 13x multipler. All i did was bump voltage .1 at a time.

Here is my setup:
AMD x2 5000+ Black Edition
Biostar 570 SLI
2GB Crucial Ballistix 8500
Zalman HSF (AM2 Version)
NoName PSU

Here is a quick summary:

1.3v - 3.2 Ghz - 28.312s 1mb SPi (Cas3)
1.4v - 3.4 Ghz - 26.859s 1mb Spi (Cas4)
1.5v - 3.5 Ghz - 26.016s 1mb Spi (Cas4)
1.6v - did not finish sPi @ 3.6Ghz

Dirty OS, unoptimized or tweaked run. All Default.

Here are the screenies, for the visual people :)

1.3v - 3.2 Ghz - 28.312s 1mb SPi (Cas3)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3200_stock_vCore_13x_cas3_Spi1mb.jpg

1.4v - 3.4 Ghz - 26.859s 1mb Spi (Cas4)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3400_14vCore_13x_cas4_Spi1mb.jpg

1.5v - 3.5 Ghz - 26.016s 1mb Spi (Cas4)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3500_15vCore_13x_cas4_Spi1mb.jpg

I really think this chip is a winner.. and the price is good :)

I will try to put this chip on Phase and see how it goes. Hopefully the G2 rev doesn't bug too badly. We will see.

Ton

Planet

10-22-2007, 03:16 PM

Nice results SuAsDu. Results are looking good. Might hafta pick one up. Sucks about the cold bug though.

Lightman

10-22-2007, 03:42 PM

I can't wait for the cold report aka Phase :) !

Great job SuAsDu!

yichen382

10-22-2007, 05:49 PM

SuAsDu,

Is your CPU ADO5000IAA5DS or ADO5000DSWOF?

mad_skills

10-22-2007, 08:59 PM

nice results

LIKMARK

10-22-2007, 10:05 PM

Awsome results SAD, my wallet is itching again..

clon22

10-22-2007, 10:36 PM

*Clap clap* :D
Very nice!
I juz bought another 6000+..
sitting there doing nothing.....
:D

SOLDNER-MOFO64

10-23-2007, 03:55 AM

Hey Folks,

1.5v - 3.5 Ghz - 26.016s 1mb Spi (Cas4)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3500_15vCore_13x_cas4_Spi1mb.jpg

I really think this chip is a winner.. and the price is good :)

I will try to put this chip on Phase and see how it goes. Hopefully the G2 rev doesn't bug too badly. We will see.

Ton

At those same settings on my 6000+ with DDR2-1000 (4,5,4,12,23,2t) my rig scores 23.500 secs in SPi 1M. 2.5seconds in Pi 1M is a MASSIVE difference. I wouldn't say that's bad performance though since it IS only a 5000+. For most people the very small real-world performance difference would be non-existent.

mAJORD

10-23-2007, 04:17 AM

the lack of + increased latency of cache compared with 1Mb windsor, without doubt has a big impact on 1Mpi. It's evident every time someone posts a time :)

SOLDNER-MOFO64

10-23-2007, 05:58 AM

yep, 1mb of L2 would've def helped. Shame it's 512k.

Mankz_91

10-23-2007, 06:52 AM

Nice results especially with air cooling...

My 4400 will only do 2.8Ghz :(

mad_skills

10-23-2007, 08:47 AM

i'm struggling to get it under 27secs on 3.15GHz..
need more windows tweaking..

eXzato

10-23-2007, 06:12 PM

nice man

TiTON

10-24-2007, 07:18 AM

Lightman

10-24-2007, 10:22 AM

Hey folks. I tried the chip on PHase and it is CB. Shut down type of CB.

I tried alum shims, no thermal pastes.. a bunch of stuff.. and I couldn't keep up running for long before it shut down.

I will see if I can get a chiller to run on this processor.

I really think that a good WC Setup or chiller can get this running at peak speeds.

Ton

A shame this CPU don't like cold, but still fantastic buy!!
Great work SuAsDu

TiTON

10-24-2007, 10:23 AM

Yup.. this chip is defineitly a winner. Great performance w/o having to go to extreme cooling. And for $130 USD.. wow :)

Ton

ZL1Killa

10-24-2007, 05:55 PM

i would love to get a hold of this black edition and write a review and put it all out. I have a full WC kit and I'm going with a bigger radiator and dual video cards soon

da-key

10-24-2007, 07:24 PM

Nice chip :up:

Killer OC on AIR. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Should have been a 65nm s939 to play....AMD throw us out window like twinkie wrapper.:eek:

PhilDoc

10-24-2007, 08:16 PM

Nice chip :up:

Killer OC on AIR. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Should have been a 65nm s939 to play....AMD throw us out window like twinkie wrapper.:eek:

All good things must come to an end. :up:

Mad_Man

10-25-2007, 02:48 AM

still, i would stick with F3.
i had G1 but the performance compared to F3 is lacking. and good F3 can go higher with same Vcore than G1.

bedlamite

10-28-2007, 02:56 PM

Any idea how to get this CPU in Europe? Especialy in Poland? (Or at least some shop which would like to ship this CPU to poland)?

Jigsaw

10-29-2007, 08:56 AM

I would do whatever I could to get the timings down as low as possible. Even if you have to run the memory at 900MHz-1000MHz to achieve 4-3-4-9 1T 17 or an even better 4-3-3-9 1T 15 at 800MHz I think you would see a difference in your SuperPi 1M times.

EDIT: You may want to pick up some Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC2-8500 if you decide to go for those timings as I find they are usually one of the few kits that remain stable at those latencies.

ZL1Killa

11-03-2007, 01:49 PM

well i got this cpu and im playing with it. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=138440&page=3

informal

11-03-2007, 02:34 PM

well i got this cpu and im playing with it. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=138440&page=3

Good luck with it man,you should be looking at 3.3Ghz on near stock volts :up:

karbonkid

11-03-2007, 03:50 PM

still, i would stick with F3.
i had G1 but the performance compared to F3 is lacking. and good F3 can go higher with same Vcore than G1.
I agree, especially seeing as cache latency on brisbanes is so high...

But then, for £85, the 5000 Black is still very tempting...

mad_skills

11-03-2007, 04:37 PM

well if you end up with G1 it's not so bad..
mine 5000+ one goes 3.1Ghz for 24/7 settings and 3.2GHz+ for SPi and 3D Mark..
not so bad..well not so good as a nice F3 or G2 but still..

uwackme

11-03-2007, 04:55 PM

Got a friend who wants one, how do you make sure you get a G2?... any ideas?

mad_skills

11-03-2007, 05:23 PM

by the inscription on the heatspreader itself

karbonkid

11-04-2007, 04:33 AM

well if you end up with G1 it's not so bad..
mine 5000+ one goes 3.1Ghz for 24/7 settings and 3.2GHz+ for SPi and 3D Mark..not so bad..well not so good as a nice F3 or G2 but still..
Are G2s commonplace now? Because my current CPU (Athlon64 X2 4000) is week code 0731, very recent, but it's still a G1. It won't go much over 2.73GHz...

mad_skills

11-04-2007, 04:37 AM

well not sure if they are common place, but it's more likely for you to find a G2 rather than a G1, because if i'm not mistaken AMD is shipping more G2 than G1 in the last few months
besides, the Black Edition is a def. best buy with low price 120,130$ and such good performance value..
if i didn't have this G1 5000+, which is not so bad as far as G1 go, i would go for the 5000+ BE..
what's your cooling on the 4000+?

karbonkid

11-04-2007, 04:44 AM

Black Edition is a def. best buy with low price 120,130$ and such good performance value..Yeah, it's around £85 here in the UK. Seems like a steal, but hopefully the prices will come down even further once phenom is out :yepp:

what's your cooling on the 4000+?
Thermalright Ultra-90 with one of these (http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/de92trblhisp.html) in pull configuration (about 2 degrees cooler under load than push). Are you on water?

mad_skills

11-04-2007, 05:13 AM

ii wouldn't recommend buying a 5000+ if you have a X2 that can do 2.7Ghz..
just wait until new year and the price drop, and then get a phenom..that's what i'm going to do..
UK always seemed a little bit more expensive than the rest of EU..that 5000+ is around 120 euros here..
then the temperature is not your limiting factor:up: , it could be the cpu itself..
no i'm on air :) a highly polished HyperTX with arctic silver 5 keeps this one cold..and the air tunnel in my Antec 900 is uber, 6x120mm CM Red silent and the 200mm giant at the top..
i've ordered a Thermalright 120 eXtreme, should pick it up tomorrow and see how good the cpu will perform then

scafT

11-04-2007, 09:39 AM

ozzimark

11-04-2007, 10:05 AM

Got a friend who wants one, how do you make sure you get a G2?... any ideas?

OPN code. the G1 dual cores are 'DDBOX' while G2 is 'DSBOX' or in the black's case 'DSWOF', wof standing for without fan, for the 2x512kb chips ;)

for 2x1mb (yes, they make them), it is 'DOBOX' for the G2 chips, but the only one i see with the full 2x1mb cache still enabled is the 5200+, which isn't for sale yet.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=37

BlueFightingCat

11-07-2007, 11:21 AM

karbonkid

11-07-2007, 01:22 PM

Hi,

I got my hands on the 5000+ Black Edition. From this thread it seems that it is quite easy to overclock it. However I noticed that in this thread it was overclocked without raising the multiplier. Only the "fsb" was raised. Wouldn't it make more sense to first raise the multiplier as far as possible and then slowly raise the "fsb"?

I'm completely new to overclocking so I am trying to figure out what would be the best way to go.

BFC
No. CPU speed is not the only thing we try to increase when overclocking. We want more bandwidth too, which is why you should increase the FSB (or in the case of AMD64 processors, the HTT frequency) as high as it will go. Then You LOWER the multiplier and try to increase the HTT yet further. I'm vastly oversimplifying this, however. The aim of a good overclock is to find the perfect balance between CPU frequency, HTT bandwidth, RAM speeds and latencies, etc.

ZL1Killa

11-07-2007, 01:25 PM

guys...can't get it to do 3.3ghz stable. see http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=138440&page=3

SillySider03

11-07-2007, 03:38 PM

^ I think you are expecting too much. And try lowering your voltage, not increasing it. Set it somewhere between 1.47v to 1.53v and take what you can get. Increasing the voltage isn't going to help once you hit "the wall". Good Luck.

VulgarHandle

11-07-2007, 04:00 PM

well, too much voltage can mean too much heat (the wall), which means you will need better cooling ;)

SillySider03

11-07-2007, 04:28 PM

Well, better cooling always helps, lol...I just don't think he will see much difference going from air to water. You'd need really good water cooling or at the very least some kind of chiller to make any difference. Even then, I don't know that you could move "the wall" that much. Getting 3300Mhz stable is a tall order for a .65nm CPU IMO.

mad_skills

11-07-2007, 05:54 PM

ozzimark

11-07-2007, 06:15 PM

Getting 3300Mhz stable is a tall order for a .65nm CPU IMO.

i think i can do it :D

http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/cpu/a64%205000%20black/bench/3209-15m.png

stock voltage ;)

karbonkid

11-07-2007, 06:16 PM

not if you have Tuniq 120 or Ultra eXtreme..:D
no, seriouslty nice lapped cpu, one of these two babies, arctic silver 5 or mx-2 and your set..
i got ~3.2GHz on HyperTX, which is a budget hs..i seriously doubt i won't get 3.3GHz with thermalright..
If you're going for the Thermalright, be sure to spend an extra few bucks on the bolt-down kit - it'll make all the difference on a lapped CPU. I'm thinking of removing the IHS on my X2-4000, but I have the Ultra-90. I'd be scared to have a lidless CPU with Ultra-120 (let alone the Extreme) - even with the bolt-down kit I'd be worried about cracking the DIE. Pretty sure it's feasible, though, if you're brave and have a very steady hand......

mad_skills

11-07-2007, 06:32 PM

already got it, lapped both it and the cpu and have put as5 between..:D i made a custom bolting kit:)
all i need to do is wait for scythe flex to arrive and i'm set...
pics:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/8928/hpim0350wu0.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0350wu0.jpg)
lapped cpu:
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5378/hpim0321es3lj1.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0321es3lj1.jpg)
lapped ultra120 eX. :
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5326/hpim0329rj1po1.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim0329rj1po1.jpg)

AliG

11-07-2007, 06:37 PM

karbonkid

11-07-2007, 06:37 PM

i made a custom bolting kit:)
:up: pictures?

SillySider03

11-07-2007, 06:38 PM

Cool. I am curious to know how high you can get those things stable.

mad_skills

11-07-2007, 06:46 PM

hmm, with the way phenom is performing....You guys think I should save the money and upgrade my x2 4000 to a 5000 black edition or go to quad core? I already have an asus crosshair, and I plan to go octo core nehalem anyways.

that, and my cooling will definitely be sufficient for a nice oc (you guys will be seeing it within a few weeks), so what do you think? Save the money, or go future proof (even though k10 doesn't seem to be that much of a step up beyond the extra cores)?
i don't know..i got this 5000+ G1 very cheap a while back and since it does 3.17GHz 24/7 i don't need to change it..
my recommendation would be, if you can get that 4000+ to, say 2.7GHz at least for 24/7, i would wait for 2.0GHz Phenoms to come out if i were you..
i too am aiming to get a Phenom but not now, maybe after new year..
i would save or spend depending on how good your current X2 oc's..

:up: pictures?
i already fitted it :(
this is the way, 'cause TR doesn't ship AM2 backplates:mad: , i had to get the screws bolted on the other side, so i got little bolts, like the ones you get on lamps or so on, i put some plastic isolation between them and the mobo and tested it for safety..something like this, i hope u understand :) :
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2074/20180505bj3.th.jpg (http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=20180505bj3.jpg)

Lostfaith

11-07-2007, 07:50 PM

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%2064%20X2%205000+%20-%20ADO5000IAA5DS%20(ADO5000DSWOF).html

Notes on AMD ADO5000IAA5DS

* ADO5000IAA5DS is an OEM/tray processor
* ADO5000DSWOF is a boxed processor
* Core revision G1

zipzoom also has this one, I would only jump ship for a G2, not G1...

especially with phenom around the corner.
To the guys with the 5000+ G2 and G1 black editions, can you please confirm our opn, where you got it and revision?

ZL1Killa

11-07-2007, 08:03 PM

Lostfaith

11-08-2007, 01:16 AM

newegg.com
I got ADO5000IAA5DS CAA9G 0737BAC
X431902I70394 hope i typed that all right

what did it result to be, a G1 or G2?

mAJORD

11-08-2007, 01:44 AM

sounds like a G1 to me :p

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 04:01 AM

newegg.com
I got ADO5000IAA5DS CAA9G 0737BAC
X431902I70394 hope i typed that all right

diffused in germany made in china... maybe thats why it won't go past 3.2ghz stable LOL.... pumped 1.64 volts to it on LOAD and it won't stay stable...and thats just the cpu bumped up no memory.

very tempted to sell this for a good price and put in my 5200+ 2.6ghz processor back and clock it to 2.9ghz as it has the 1mb cache instead of this BE 512

I didn't think 3300Mhz stable would happen. In fact, I don't think Ozzimark can do it despite his screenshot at 3100 or 3200Mhz, whatever speed it is really running - not on air anyway..."The wall" is big, strong and pissed off. You need at least a water chiller to keep temps workable without tripping over the cold bug that ruins these CPUs.

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 05:29 AM

In fact, I don't think Ozzimark can do it despite his screenshot at 3100 or 3200Mhz, whatever speed it is really running

cpu-z shows the speed. i use clockgen, sp2004 doesn't automatically update the speed from whatever i booted at ;)

anyhow, this might be of interest to you then:

http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/cpu/a64%205000%20black/bench/3323-23m.png

ZL1Killa, mine is also made in china, diffused in germany, with an identical date and batch. the only difference is that yours is 394 in the batch while mine is 333. keep working at it, make sure both cores are cooled well, etc ;)

http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/cpu/a64%205000%20black/4.jpg

amd themselves say that the DSWOF is a G2 chip:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=39

DD is the G1:
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=40

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 07:50 AM

That's all well and good, but I wouldn't call 23 minutes stable - just saying...How long will it run before it crashes, if it ever does? Very nice chip though, can't argue that. Rock on.

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 07:57 AM

how long do you want? i haven't done any long term testing yet because i'm still trying to figure out how the thing reacts to voltage. more screens to come when i get back from work ;)

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 07:59 AM

test Small FTT's, priority 9, let it run for an hour or two, then you can say it's stable ;)

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 08:02 AM

how long do you want? i haven't done any long term testing yet because i'm still trying to figure out how the thing reacts to voltage. more screens to come when i get back from work ;)

How long will it go? I am also at work so I will look for some results when I get home...I have only benched mine, not really tested stabilty yet - which is why I am curious...If you show me yours, I'll show you mine :D

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 08:05 AM

you got it. i'm aiming for 3.4ghz 'stable', though i might need 1.5v to do so ;)

test Small FTT's, priority 9, let it run for an hour or two, then you can say it's stable ;)

in place crashes before small fft

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 08:16 AM

then it's probably not 24/7 stable ;)
try this, forget Orthos
use dual prime95, stress both cores on same settings as Orthos, if it passes 1st hour, it's very likely that it'll be stable..
my G1 does this at 3150MHz, so i take this as 24/7 settings..it crashes on over 3200MHz probably because of cooling, so i take 3.2GHz+ for SPi and 3D Mark but not for 24/7

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 08:37 AM

then it's probably not 24/7 stable ;)

i think you're missing the point of what i said. in-place is a better stability test for my chip than small fft's, because it will fail sooner/earlier. ;)

edit: also, prime95, sp2004 and orthos are all the same exact thing, with different interfaces :p:

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 08:57 AM

on what priority would you put in-place ftt ?
some of the reading i've done on xs says that small ftt's is better for stressing X2 65nm 'cause they stress the core more than the in-place one..
i could be wrong obvioulsy..
i tend to use prime95 more often because orthos crashes even when the cpu is table, apart from prime95 which only crashes when it's supposed to do so..
dual prime95 is probably the best X2 stress benchmark

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 09:30 AM

every core is different, different parts will limit different chips. test what makes your chip give errors the fastest. i've had times where sPI 32m fails before sp2004 when oc'ing a pu ;)
priority has never made a difference for me, nor should it, since there aren't any other processes that need noticeable amounts of cpu time running

if anything returns an error, ever, it's not stable :up:

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 09:40 AM

i've haven't had the same experience, especially with orthos, but nevermind..

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 09:51 AM

i don't doubt you. ;) everyone has things they like, and things they have issues with. sp2004 is just one of the programs i've always liked. :D

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 10:11 AM

yes, i prefer i to orthos also:up:
what i do is, find clock, vram, vcpu and htt settings
run dual prime95, everest & cpu burn in, then pcmark and then 3dmark 03
then i think it's stable

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 04:59 PM

i know one hour isn't really proof for being stable, but it's better than 23 minutes, and it's at a higher speed. 1.45v set in the bios. more voltage really doesn't do much for stability, probably cause it's getting too warm. gonna try cooling it off a bit now ;)

http://www.eclipseoc.com/image/cpu/a64%205000%20black/bench/3361-61m.png

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 05:16 PM

3.3GHz is for 24/7?

AliG

11-08-2007, 05:24 PM

i don't know..i got this 5000+ G1 very cheap a while back and since it does 3.17GHz 24/7 i don't need to change it..
my recommendation would be, if you can get that 4000+ to, say 2.7GHz at least for 24/7, i would wait for 2.0GHz Phenoms to come out if i were you..
i too am aiming to get a Phenom but not now, maybe after new year..
i would save or spend depending on how good your current X2 oc's..

i already fitted it :(
this is the way, 'cause TR doesn't ship AM2 backplates:mad: , i had to get the screws bolted on the other side, so i got little bolts, like the ones you get on lamps or so on, i put some plastic isolation between them and the mobo and tested it for safety..something like this, i hope u understand :) :

I can get my x2 4000 90nm to 2.9ghz 24/7 stable on stock volts, it's actually a very good ocer. Problem is it doesn't want to go a hair higher, 3ghz isn't stable even with 1.65v bios (cpuz reports 1.47v, extremely odd, I didn't think the asus crosshair would be that bad). That and I screwed up while trying to remove the ihs (I pushed the blade too far by accident and heard a crack and thus stopped) and so I've been runnning stock for a while to be safe

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 05:32 PM

then i would wait if i were you..
you won't gain much if you buy a better X2..

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 06:14 PM

3.3GHz is for 24/7?

considering that i've had the chip for 24/1, who knows :lol2:
most likely, yes. the transition from stable to unstable is pretty sharp, 3.3ghz should be fine with 1.45v :D

btw, preliminary tests say that this chip loves cold. how cold, i don't know yet, but with an open window and 1.525v, i easily bested my previous high suicide of 3.65ghz:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=265589

AliG

11-08-2007, 06:17 PM

then i would wait if i were you..
you won't gain much if you buy a better X2..
I realize that, but have you even seen the benchmarks? Phenom doesn't seem to be much of an ugprade, in fact most of its features like overdrive are useless without an am2+ motherboard. Besides I just need something to hold me over til nehalem, but I suppose quadcore will have its benefits

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 06:30 PM

considering that i've had the chip for 24/1, who knows :lol2:
most likely, yes. the transition from stable to unstable is pretty sharp, 3.3ghz should be fine with 1.45v :D

btw, preliminary tests say that this chip loves cold. how cold, i don't know yet, but with an open window and 1.525v, i easily bested my previous high suicide of 3.65ghz:
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=265589

Very nice clocks! You beat my WR :yepp:

I am running Orthos on mine right now at 3400Mhz with 1.47v (2 hours so far). Even though "the wall" is pretty nasty, I bet yours still has a bit more in it as far as 24/7 clocks go.

And they don't love the cold. At least mine doesn't. It bugs around 5C no matter what settings I try. You can check out my results with this chip HERE. (http://www.overclockers-anonymous.org/index.php?showtopic=1655)

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 06:50 PM

mad_skills

11-08-2007, 06:58 PM

I realize that, but have you even seen the benchmarks? Phenom doesn't seem to be much of an ugprade, in fact most of its features like overdrive are useless without an am2+ motherboard. Besides I just need something to hold me over til nehalem, but I suppose quadcore will have its benefits

than i guess you can take the Black 5000+ and set off..
i would do that only if your cpu wont clock on 2.9GHz anymore

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 07:00 PM

yours definitely has mine beat for stability. for me, more voltage = no go. i can't get 3.4ghz stable past a half hour. i tried to beat that suicide by using 1.55v, and it didn't quite make it. i'll be picking up some dry ice tomorrow, and we'll go from there.

these chips are fun :clap:

just curious, wr for what? fastest 65nm amd suicide? :D

You can check up on the current WRs HERE... (http://www.ripping.org/index.php) Up until a little while ago I had the fastest 5000+ in the database, lol.

And hell yea these chips are fun. I am running a water chiller so I can keep my temps right where I want them...Enough so to keep this monster happy anyway. I am still at 3400Mhz and chugging right along:

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3316/orthosat3400mhzab5.jpg

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 07:11 PM

wow, did i seriously just beat you by less than 1mhz? gonna have to fix that ;)

and even if it bugs at 5c, that's 15c cooler than what i'm idling at now, so i should have room for improvement still :D :D

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 07:16 PM

ozzimark

11-08-2007, 07:24 PM

yup, 0.09mhz. totally insane. i'd call that a tie. it's on now bud :up:

SillySider03

11-08-2007, 07:29 PM

yup, 0.09mhz. totally insane. i'd call that a tie. it's on now bud :up:

That is kinda insane huh. And it is most definitely on, lol. I may let this thing run all night and see if it is still running in the AM. After work tomorrow I may take a stab at that WR and see if I can't find .09Mhz somewhere.

.09 lousy Mhz :shakes:

SillySider03

11-09-2007, 03:48 AM

EDIT: It failed after 7 hours...I think it failed because of heat due to me cutting the chiller off last night. Maybe I need some more vcore, who knows. I will mess with it some more.

ozzimark

11-09-2007, 05:09 AM

7 hours isn't bad though. it most likely is because of the increased temp. my chip is insanely sensitive to heat ;)

biohead

11-09-2007, 05:25 AM

a strong coldbug is a clear indicator of temperature sensitivity.

ozzimark

11-09-2007, 08:07 AM

tell that to my 90nm fx-55

though i know you're right. there's no way this thing will be able to tolerate any real cold. it's worth a try anyway. after all, we are overclockers ;)

SillySider03

11-09-2007, 10:50 AM

I guess it is worth a try - DI is going to be too cold IMO. I was going to try DI as well, but after seeing how bad it bugged with just the water chiller it didn't make any sense to go through the time and trouble only to give myself a bigger headache. Good Luck with it though.

ZL1Killa

11-09-2007, 11:33 AM

my black edition 5000+ won't do more than 3.2ghz stable, no matter voltage or anything.

my question is, with the 512kb instead of the 1mb... is the BE better/worse compared to a 5200+ with 2x1mb l1/l2 cache??
my 5200+ ran 2.8ghz with the memory at 1140mhz (thats the fastest the ram go..it did do 3.08ghz but memory speeds suffered)

my 5000+BE does 3.2ghz at 1250mhz memory speeds (haven't maxed out memory yet)

informal

11-09-2007, 11:42 AM

ZL1Killa,the BE at those clocks is faster than 5200+ at mentioned setup.
And weird you couldn't pass 3.2Ghz,since many got there with stock volts

mad_skills

11-09-2007, 05:27 PM

i couldn't do it on stock volts..
i had to increase to 1.500V but i have G1 though...
on G2 it's a different story

informal

11-09-2007, 05:42 PM

ZL1killa has BE 5000+.All of BE 5000+ cpus are RevG2.

mad_skills

11-09-2007, 05:45 PM

that's why i mentioned it, i found it strange just like you said many do it on stock volts..

SillySider03

11-09-2007, 05:45 PM

While mine booted right up for the very first time at 3.2G, it wasn't very stable. Orthos crashed after 6 minutes. And I thought all of the BE's were G2's?

mad_skills

11-09-2007, 05:46 PM

actually no, there are even some G1 Black's..
ask Nedjo, he knows the markings on the hs

ozzimark

11-09-2007, 06:58 PM

there is only one 5000+ black listed on amd's site, and it's G2. there are G1 5000+'s, but they are not black edition.
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=38 - normal G2
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=39 - Black edition
http://products.amd.com/en-us/DesktopCPUDetail.aspx?id=40 - G1

note the ending of the opn. DD = G1, DS and DO are G2

informal

11-09-2007, 07:38 PM

ZL1Killa

11-12-2007, 06:06 AM

well crap ...anyone got results on this besides me? i'm going to still go at it, but this week i won't have much time to play, i work and go to school and do overclocking/benching on the side here. and play with my 2001 trans am... LOL thank god its at home and not at school!!!! i would be playing with it all day.

BlueFightingCat

11-15-2007, 02:46 AM

Hi,

I just got this chip and I plan to overclock. I am very encouraged by the results everyone has here.

I was wondering whether memory would be an issue with overclocking? I have an ASUS M2N32-SLI Deluxe motherboard and the following memory:

2x512MB DDR2-800 Kingston Value Ram (KVR800D2N5/512)
2x1024MB DDR2-800 Kingston Value Ram (KVR800D2N5K2/2G)

I've been doing a lot of reading and I am still slightly confused. Is the above memory quick enough not to cause a bottleneck?

In which order should I overclock (CPU first or memory first)? Assuming that I need to overclock my memory. I will definitely try and play with the timings of my memory. What about the motherboard? Do I need to overclock that?

BFC

ZL1Killa

11-15-2007, 11:21 AM

try and get your cpu first

then try and do memory

then do both and see where your greatest speed is. somewhere it works out that you lose cpu speed but gain memory speed

what motherboard do you have?
i will look up your kingston value ram but i haven't seen results with these before so i can't say much

alias

11-16-2007, 12:37 AM

hello today arrive mi 5000 be from newegg.com

in the box the opn is ADO5000DSWOF

on die of the cpu this is the opn

ADO5000IAA5DS

this is g2 cpu?

BlueFightingCat

11-16-2007, 01:40 PM

Hi

Alias: It seems to be G2.

Now to my own questions:

I am in the process of overclocking my BE. I've reached 250x13 = 3250MHz and whilst I haven't done any long term stability testing, it seems to be holding up so far. I could probably push it a little further but things are starting to heat up. Currently I get 36C idle and 56C load. My Vcore is 1,44v. I have it aircooled with a Zalman CNPS9500 (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article267-page5.html).

My first question is how far can I push the temperature of the chip? I've read that AMD chips don't like more than 55C. But somewhere I else I read that it can take up to 80C. Does anybody here have experience with this?

My second question is regarding multipliers. I achieved 3250MHz with the stock multiplier (x13). However from this thread I can see that 3.7GHz has been achieved however with a much lower FSB. From what I've read its more important to have a larger fsb than a multiplier if possible. This way you get more bandwith. So I was wondering how much of a performance gain would I possibly get buy lowering the fsb and increasing the multiplier. For example I could try 225MHz with x16.5 to reach close to 3.7GHz. However before I try and test this out and do all the benchmarks to compare, I was wondering whether anybody has any experience with this.

Has anybody run any benchmarks besides SuperPI with this chip? 3dMark05, Sandra......?

BFC

ozzimark

11-16-2007, 05:18 PM

My first question is how far can I push the temperature of the chip? I've read that AMD chips don't like more than 55C. But somewhere I else I read that it can take up to 80C. Does anybody here have experience with this?

two things you can be certain of:

increase in voltage = decrease in lifespan
increase in temperature = decrease in lifespan

ALWAYS try to minimize both temperature and voltage if you're worried about life. there's no one particular voltage/temp at which the chips start to deteriorate. it happens all the time, just at different rates dependent upon a lot of variables :D

S1nn3r

11-16-2007, 05:48 PM

I have a 5000+ BE sitting here to go with my Gigabyte 790FX ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=162296 ) will probibly be building tomorrow. Will of corse be letting XS know what happens :)

LIKMARK

11-17-2007, 12:37 AM

edit: Answered question on page 5..............

KTE

11-22-2007, 10:45 AM

I've had a 5000+ X2 BE since 2 weeks now but the Sapphire MB has faulty DIMM slots and I haven't picked up a new board yet for it to test. Still unopened: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/4103/dsc01852tj0.jpg

railmeat

11-23-2007, 05:42 AM

Hey folks. I tried the chip on PHase and it is CB. Shut down type of CB.

I tried alum shims, no thermal pastes.. a bunch of stuff.. and I couldn't keep up running for long before it shut down.

I will see if I can get a chiller to run on this processor.

I really think that a good WC Setup or chiller can get this running at peak speeds.

Ton

o well ppl wont have phenoms runnning pointless runs of pi for months striaght:rolleyes: now we can get right to the stable clocks for 24\7 users.now the question at hand how far on water can it go.:shrug:

rfurman24

11-23-2007, 07:18 AM

I was thinking about buying a BE either 6400 or 5000 but after seeing those super pi scores I think I will wait. I have a 3600 brisbane @2755 that will do high 27 or low 28.

Spectrobozo

11-23-2007, 07:23 AM

that's a nice CPU, too bad I can't get one... I have a G1 4000+, I'm stuck at 2.7ghz, in 2.8ghz I can play games without any trouble, I can bootup the PC even at 2.95ghz, but primed only at 2650mhz +-... maybe my coolerbox and my mobo that doesn't let me to adjust the voltage are helping :D in full load the voltage drop to 1.258v (from 1.3v), I was thinkin to mod my mobo to make 1.55v, is that danger to daily use? (with a proper cooler) and most important that would improve my OC (maybe get primed at 2950mhz!?!) or I'm very next to my cpu limit? (even with better cooling and more voltage..)

alias

11-23-2007, 06:28 PM

hello a can hit 3g whit sotck vcore

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=271665

and a going for more

EvilBellyLint

11-23-2007, 10:08 PM

I'm in the "wait for a Phenom Revision" camp, so I pulled the trigger
on a good deal for a 5000+ Windsor BE w/free Call of Juarez game
for just $99 today :up:

Gonna pop that baby into the MSI K9A2 Platinum I also ordered today,
along with the Sapphire HD 3870 I've have languishing here, and run my
new "Ghetto Spider" rig through its paces :D

Should be fun until the "real" Phenoms show up :p:

EBL

alias

11-24-2007, 12:59 AM

Lightman

11-24-2007, 01:32 AM

hello a can hit 3g whit sotck vcore

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=271665

and a going for more

Very nice! :up:
What voltage and cooling??

I'm in the "wait for a Phenom Revision" camp, so I pulled the trigger
on a good deal for a 5000+ Windsor BE w/free Call of Juarez game
for just $99 today :up:

Gonna pop that baby into the MSI K9A2 Platinum I also ordered today,
along with the Sapphire HD 3870 I've have languishing here, and run my
new "Ghetto Spider" rig through its paces :D

Should be fun until the "real" Phenoms show up :p:

EBL

I'm waiting for a better Phenom as well...
Call of Juarez runs very well in DX10 mode on HD3870 :D (especially when you have 2 of them :p: )!

Good luck with OCing! :up:

EvilBellyLint

11-24-2007, 10:40 AM

5000+ winsor were you see this cpu?

would you believe.... Tiger Direct (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3501536&AffiliateID=lw9MynSeamY-l4gwrm1qzukgkGyrfL8peg) :eek:

And NO REBATES! :ROTF: :rofl:

EBL

alias

11-24-2007, 09:25 PM

What voltage and cooling??

stock vcore and my old 4200 cooler

JS1234

11-27-2007, 05:31 AM

Does anyone think this would be possible with stock voltage on a 790X board and new cpu cooler?

KTE

11-27-2007, 09:47 AM

Does anyone think this would be possible with stock voltage on a 790X board and new cpu cooler?I'm trying it tomorrow bro on the MSI 790FX board, so who knows. ;)

informal

11-27-2007, 10:00 AM

I'm trying it tomorrow bro on the MSI 790FX board, so who knows. ;)

Looking forward to your results KTE :)

JS1234

11-27-2007, 10:19 AM

Looking forward to your results KTE :)

Yes id really like to know aswell.

Trying to decide if next month i should go to the 9500 or the 5000 and have some fun with overclocking!;)

KTE

11-27-2007, 10:26 AM

Yes id really like to know aswell.

Trying to decide if next month i should go to the 9500 or the 5000 and have some fun with overclocking!;)Those are the exact two I have for testing. ;)

JS1234

11-27-2007, 10:29 AM

Those are the exact two I have for testing. ;)

Even better!:D

Just to confirm, the 5000 black edition? That's what im looking at, sounds like it can get pretty far on AM2 boards, i want to know how it is on a AM2+ board!

informal

11-27-2007, 10:35 AM

Even better!:D

Just to confirm, the 5000 black edition? That's what im looking at, sounds like it can get pretty far on AM2 boards, i want to know how it is on a AM2+ board!

Your wish is our command :D :

http://www.penstarsys.com/reviews/cpu/amd/x2_5000_bbe/index.html

On the 790FX board I was able to achieve a core clock speed of 3.25 GHz with 1.45 volts. On the M2N32-SLI I was able to get 3.1 GHz with 1.375 volts.

Two things immediately pop out at you. The first is that the 790FX board was able to achieve a better overclock than the more mature M2N32-SLI. Whether this is attributed merely to the overall design or the new power delivery system to the AM2+ socket, the newer board delivers a faster overclock.

The second aspect that is pretty obvious is why there is such a big difference in voltage between the 3.25 GHz and 3.1 GHz results? Let us take that down another notch so we can see the trend. When overclocking to 3 GHz, the processor is at the stock 1.3 volts. To get it to 3.1 GHz we had to use 1.375 volts. To get it to 3.2 GHz and slightly above, 1.45 volts had to be applied. No matter how many volts were applied after that, the chip would not stay stable above 3.25 GHz.

The power usage rose by about 30 watts with the overclock. The fan and heatsink used did not get overly warm at the higher levels, and was of course very cool at the stock 2.6 GHz.

KTE

11-27-2007, 10:35 AM

Yep: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2574752&postcount=142

Just been v.busy and testing some Intel builds, so my trusty PSU is taken up until tomorrow. My AM2 board (Sapphire RD 580) turned out to have faulty DIMMs so can't test that yet until they send me a replacement. MSI AM2+ board doesn't bootup with 9500 yet. Working on it...

JS1234

11-27-2007, 10:44 AM

Your wish is our command :D :

http://www.penstarsys.com/reviews/cpu/amd/x2_5000_bbe/index.html
Oh thanks! Now one thing ive never completely understood, is why cant you just raise up the multi(seeing as it's unlocked) to lets say 17 and then keep the FSB at 200? (im still learning)

Yep: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2574752&postcount=142

Just been v.busy and testing some Intel builds, so my trusty PSU is taken up until tomorrow. My AM2 board (Sapphire RD 580) turned out to have faulty DIMMs so can't test that yet until they send me a replacement. MSI AM2+ board doesn't bootup with 9500 yet. Working on it...

Oh nice:D

madfaze

11-27-2007, 03:18 PM

are there any black edition available in tray type?

KTE

11-28-2007, 12:28 PM

Yeah but I've been watching everything for a week now and I can't be asked with all this babying and trolling around to start and show some testing. It's just pointless. :rolleyes:

Also whilst testing the Intel builds I've had to swap PSUs to a lower one from a 550W S12II because the guy who gave me every part I have here to play around with needed the powerful PSUs and the only leftover was a 330W S12II this last time I went. 330W at 83% efficiency. Hmm.. tight.

With people claiming "200W for 2.8GHz-3GHz Phenom" alone that'd be a good test to prove right or wrong with a power meter. :D

JS1234

11-28-2007, 02:14 PM

KTE

11-28-2007, 02:22 PM

Not tried it properly yet. Working on the Phenom for now... has some RAM problems yet. Bed time here now, work tomorrow at 6am. ;)

Also picked up the Zalman 9700 now as well, have the 9500 from before.

Might post at 9am morn or 6-7pm tomorrow with details and pics.

informal

11-28-2007, 03:38 PM

Thanks in advance KTE :)
Good luck with the setup.

Defleshed

11-28-2007, 09:19 PM

I`ll be getting my BE from local postal office next monday too.
Hoping for that easy 3 Ghz on air :D

TEDY

11-29-2007, 12:07 AM

madfaze

11-29-2007, 04:18 AM

at last...

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/DSC01255.jpg

EvilBellyLint

11-29-2007, 07:19 AM

Well, have my 5000+ Black Edition and Sapphire HD 3870 here waiting still,
but my MSI 790FX board was on unannounced backorder when I ordered it,
so still won't have that until next week :shakes:

On the brighter side, I guess that gives me time to look for a good deal
on a 2nd 3870 for my XFire set-up... and hopefully one of you geniuses
will have a working volt mod by then :p: :clap:

EBL

waiting (impatiently) to fire up his Ghetto Spider rig and pump some pixels

madfaze

11-29-2007, 08:50 PM

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275219

3.2ghz on air

KTE

11-29-2007, 08:51 PM

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275219
3.2ghz on air
Tried 17 multi? Should do higher.

madfaze

11-29-2007, 09:45 PM

not yet still finding my sweet spot..

here's an update

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/5-1.jpg

validate

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275327

roadie

12-01-2007, 03:31 AM

What do people reckon the are chances of achieving the following with a 5000BE?

Removing the IHS
Getting to 250x13 (3250Mhz) with my current mobo and RAM

madfaze

12-01-2007, 05:23 PM

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/6.jpg

nullface

12-01-2007, 05:52 PM

Uh i love all yor voltage's, i got one of the first Brisbanes out there, a G1 and it need's 1.58V to run 3GHz

uwackme

12-01-2007, 08:00 PM

The IHS is soldered, you are not going to be removing it. And there is no reason to, soldered it gets flawless heat transfer to the IHS.

gOtVoltage

12-01-2007, 10:34 PM

The IHS is soldered, you are not going to be removing it. And there is no reason to, soldered it gets flawless heat transfer to the IHS.

Ok so he wanted to know , X2-6000+ in all its naked beauty :cool:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0303.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0296.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg

I have tested numerouse ways on how too cool a 125watt chip with Air and Water.....

As you can see ive delidded the 6000+ to go along with several other Cpu's ive delidded for Air cooling....I only did this to test a theary I had on shaving Soldered CPU's....

It came to conclude that if you SAND then Lap the AMD soldered IHS down to 1/64th of an Inch thick it will net 1c higher temp that if the CPU was bare ...

This is nothing over completely unlidding the 6000+ ,The 1c differance was only due to the thickness of the solder not releasing the heat as fast!...

The trick here is ,, i measured a IHS that i removed from a 5600+ . I then took of a crap load of copper,sanding with 200 ,,400,,600,,1000,,1250 and then 2000grit wetdry...Untill it was only 2/64ths in total thick ness. To see how thin i could get it, I used a micrometer and measured the overal thick nes and top deck thickness...From top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center!....From that day on I will no longer delid them ! Doing this way results in never crushing a core period ! I know i tried with extream force with a water block and the thin top with solder under it protects the IHS under the most extreme conditions while cooling to the best it can be...

First modded 6000+ !!

This is after doing a 1M Super Pi...@3.51ghz ThermalRight 120Extreme @22c ambiant room temp...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3.51ghzair.jpg

Second My 5600+ modded IHS !!

Now here is my 5600+ and it was a real bad stepping!!!! Before i did the IHS mod it would only run up to 3.12ghz!!!!! and that was with 1.61vcore....Now that i did its IHS it hits 3.3ghz @1.48vcore ...Temps in screen are right after a superPi 1M run!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/ASUS3.jpg

[/Third a Modded 3200+ fully Stable@2.8Ghz with 1.25vcore on AIR! Before it would barely do 2.5ghz!@1.48vcore..I know this one dosnt have solder under it,but it shure did better id say!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3200orleans2.jpg

In my Sig my current 6000+ with modded IHS ...I am only running a 100gph pump , I had sold my 655 to my Bro , I didnt need the 300gph to hit 3.5ghz anymore :ROTF: But now i want to go to 3.6ghz so i will buy another one real soon:ROTF:

Hope you liked this little heads up on Soldered IHS's....

P.S. Get a ThermalRight 120Extreme or 120+ and lapp the 5000+ and you will see 3.5ghz mostlikely "with out delidding the BE"!!!!:yepp: The G2 is the one you want to get it out pulls mhz's like you wouldnt believe:yepp:

kriminal

12-01-2007, 10:45 PM

Woah amazing results
300mhz and less voltage is definately worth it

Has anyone done this with a core2 duo?

gOtVoltage

12-02-2007, 12:16 AM

Woah amazing results
300mhz and less voltage is definately worth it

Has anyone done this with a core2 duo?

I havnt seen anyone do the INTELs...If some one has a unlidded Core2 or Q one just needs to carefully measure it and sand away untill its fairly thin...Dont sand through the roof! Once you know how much to sand away Then knock yourself out on a CPU....

Ive been AMD specific for a long time so i dont have any Core2 IHS or i would be more than happy to try:yepp:Matter of fact they are easier to sand too, no pins to worry about...!

Hmmm Phenom Hmmmm Ill have to mod a good on though like a BE....

madfaze

12-02-2007, 06:08 AM

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/1-2.jpg

seems stable...

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/2-7.jpg

validate

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=276390

beerking

12-03-2007, 11:21 AM

3.8 on water

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/BeerKing/b5000cpuz2.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=277

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275027

mrhelix

12-03-2007, 11:35 AM

3.8 on water

http://www.vmodtech.com/spaw/images/BeerKing/b5000cpuz2.jpg

http://www.vmodtech.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=277

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=275027

I dared :D
great work within 2 days man :up:
Do you need some beer ? :p:

EvilBellyLint

12-03-2007, 01:42 PM

Ok so he wanted to know , X2-6000+ in all its naked beauty :cool:

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0303.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0296.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg

I have tested numerouse ways on how too cool a 125watt chip with Air and Water.....

As you can see ive delidded the 6000+ to go along with several other Cpu's ive delidded for Air cooling....I only did this to test a theary I had on shaving Soldered CPU's....

It came to conclude that if you SAND then Lap the AMD soldered IHS down to 1/64th of an Inch thick it will net 1c higher temp that if the CPU was bare ...

This is nothing over completely unlidding the 6000+ ,The 1c differance was only due to the thickness of the solder not releasing the heat as fast!...

The trick here is ,, i measured a IHS that i removed from a 5600+ . I then took of a crap load of copper,sanding with 200 ,,400,,600,,1000,,1250 and then 2000grit wetdry...Untill it was only 2/64ths in total thick ness. To see how thin i could get it, I used a micrometer and measured the overal thick nes and top deck thickness...From top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center!....From that day on I will no longer delid them ! Doing this way results in never crushing a core period ! I know i tried with extream force with a water block and the thin top with solder under it protects the IHS under the most extreme conditions while cooling to the best it can be...

First modded 6000+ !!

This is after doing a 1M Super Pi...@3.51ghz ThermalRight 120Extreme @22c ambiant room temp...

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3.51ghzair.jpg

Second My 5600+ modded IHS !!

Now here is my 5600+ and it was a real bad stepping!!!! Before i did the IHS mod it would only run up to 3.12ghz!!!!! and that was with 1.61vcore....Now that i did its IHS it hits 3.3ghz @1.48vcore ...Temps in screen are right after a superPi 1M run!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/ASUS3.jpg

[/Third a Modded 3200+ fully Stable@2.8Ghz with 1.25vcore on AIR! Before it would barely do 2.5ghz!@1.48vcore..I know this one dosnt have solder under it,but it shure did better id say!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/3200orleans2.jpg

In my Sig my current 6000+ with modded IHS ...I am only running a 100gph pump , I had sold my 655 to my Bro , I didnt need the 300gph to hit 3.5ghz anymore :ROTF: But now i want to go to 3.6ghz so i will buy another one real soon:ROTF:

Hope you liked this little heads up on Soldered IHS's....

P.S. Get a ThermalRight 120Extreme or 120+ and lapp the 5000+ and you will see 3.5ghz mostlikely "with out delidding the BE"!!!!:yepp: The G2 is the one you want to get it out pulls mhz's like you wouldnt believe:yepp:

so basically all you're saying is you lapped the cpu instead of attaching it
to your HSF naked... or am I experiencing a severe reading comprehension
brainfart today? :ROTF: :confused:

If there's something I'm missing, would you mind recapping what you did?

Thankee.

EBL

KTE

12-07-2007, 07:45 AM

1mb SPI @ 3.3Ghz with Stock vCore (16x by 206Mhz)
http://www.ironmods.com/ForumImages/HWBot/5000_BlackEdition/AMD_3300_stock_vCore_13v_16x.jpg
Your 3.3GHz 1M is really very bad. I just tried it stock run less tweaked than yours, no tweak no nothing, AV running and all and got 34s at 2.55GHz (232x11) and your is showing 38s at 3.3GHz!? :confused:

Should be more like ~27s if frequency is right. Look at the scores above mine of guys at 3.4GHz and so on.

First bootup with X2 5000+ BE- 3.2GHz: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278646

No thermal paste applied yet, runs way hotter than Phenom 9500. ;)

informal

12-07-2007, 08:08 AM

KTE,what do you get in SPi @3.2GHz?
Nice,you have another toy to play with :).Keep us updated and thank you for your posting here :D

KTE

12-07-2007, 08:17 AM

Never ran Pi, only once at those clocks because I wanted to compare it with Phenom at same Multi/HT/RAM/CPU. Phenom gets 29.797s and X2 gets 34.078s same everything but RAM is 40Mhz higher on Phenom (divider issues). It was running at 68C already on stock volts and I never had any thermal paste on it, so I tested max HT of board/CPU and switched it off. Max HT was 396MHz inside a 8 minute testing. :)

That's is way way hotter than Phenom 9500 at 2.7GHz!
Phenom with no thermal paste/CNPS9700 and everything the same was idling at 27C at 2.7GHz. X2 5000+ BE was idling 2.5GHz at 65C.

That tells me a lot. For one, TDP means jack to do with stock idling heat. X2 needs cold.

You're welcome.

donitsi

12-07-2007, 08:18 AM

~38s @ 3,3Ghz
Wow that is really REALLY bad. My xp 2200+ at stock 1.8Ghz and 266mhz ddr with 3-3-3 timings does 1min 6secs So your not so "much" ahead heheeheh :D

madfaze

12-07-2007, 12:18 PM

KTE

12-07-2007, 04:19 PM

Ah! Tried another 20 mins. No clockgen etc for this board and AOD reboots computer. So can't oc but in BIOS. :(

If I bootup high MHz, every application fails, even shutdown fails.

RAM high timings are not there for DDR2-1000-DDR2-1300 I wanted.

Fastest bootup verified is this: http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=278843
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6819/gfgfgfrx0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Quite slow really. No crash but after I bootup I just sit there doing nothing because AOD will crash the system. It does it at 2600-3600MHz too, tried it. Max I booted was 3605MHz but the validation for ~3550 failed and 3.6GHz froze the system on saving. Can't change volts past 1.52V from BIOS.

I'm so pissed with CPU-Z. After all the bloody trouble it's validating some of mine saved and fails on others. Same with perfectly normal Phenom runs. Fails on way too many, usually when you change multi/NB speed from stock. :mad:

gOtVoltage: it doesn't look like you're running the right version of SPi. You don't have any verfication checksum on your posted runs. ;)

Oh and informal, you asked about 1M at 3.3GHz. Very slow RAM, no tweak, it's like this:
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/908/dsdsdsfde4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

GenTarkin

12-07-2007, 04:39 PM

you guys think I can do this lapping with my Opteron 165 CCBBE 0610?
Its currently running @ 2.87ghz @ 1.42v

think it will help at all?

informal

12-07-2007, 04:42 PM

Thanks KTE,nice score :).Quick comparison with K10 and we see that K10@2.67-2.7Ghz has around the same score :).So it's massive improvement in SPi if i might say so :D(but what a pointless bench except for scalability comparisons with OCing involved-hence i asked for it :D).

Seems you are limited with low vcore (1.52V) from bios :(.

KTE

12-07-2007, 05:02 PM

Phenom at 2.75GHz 500 4-4-4-4-20-1T gets 27.579s 1M on my system (again no tweaks). ;)

KTE

12-07-2007, 11:33 PM

I'll tweak it more a little. Running it right now although stock. same X2 system at 2.6Ghz stock volts idles 11-13W VAC less than Phenom system. ;)

Here was a night pic (bad exposure) of the CNPS9700 base (stock).

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1894/dsc01961is8.th.jpg (http://img91.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc01961is8.jpg)

KTE

12-08-2007, 12:31 AM

Nope. Around 3.585 is max bootable without freezing on opening cpu-z.

Without any oc tool or clock gen, thats ok. Should get max 150-200MHz more with them judging by my experience.

Im selling it now, forget it. :D

gOtVoltage

12-08-2007, 02:47 AM

Ok Look very close at My IHS ITS Three times thinner than stock!

I only removed it to show yo guys how thin it can be shaved down...To do this ,,you will need to sand it down to 2/64th thick,,with 200grit wet/dry sandpaper ,,use no water! ,,use 400-2000wet/dry to lap it...

The result is about 1c -3c higher temp than a BARE IHS, it all depends on cooler and how good you mount it!....It IHS will also save the core and let you put extreme preshure on it... now look close...The Modified IHS is thinner than the Cores board/wafer and is as thin than as the core itself:yepp:

You will not remove the IHS,,you will sand and Lap down to 2/64ths of an inch thick and have very low temps compard to stock.. Ive done 2x6000+'s 1c-2c variable , in short almost the same exact results on same mobo and waterblock

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0303.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0296.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg

EvilBellyLint

12-08-2007, 12:21 PM

Cool. Thanks for the clarification. That's what I thought you had done.
I think the fact that you were showing the IHS removed is what threw me :p:

:up:

EBL

KTE

12-10-2007, 12:44 AM

The last and probably 3rd 1M I ran on the X2 BE (low timings/no other tweak): http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=279951

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9070/3360fz4.jpg

madfaze

12-10-2007, 02:27 AM

The last and probably 3rd 1M I ran on the X2 BE (low timings/no other tweak): http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=279951

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9070/3360fz4.jpg

1.3v vcore?

KTE

12-10-2007, 02:36 AM

Stock whatever it was. :)

Something like 1.35V IIRC.

Cloud76

12-10-2007, 03:02 AM

Ok Look very close at My IHS ITS Three times thinner than stock!

I only removed it to show yo guys how thin it can be shaved down...To do this ,,you will need to sand it down to 2/64th thick,,with 200grit wet/dry sandpaper ,,use no water! ,,use 400-2000wet/dry to lap it...

The result is about 1c -3c higher temp than a BARE IHS, it all depends on cooler and how good you mount it!....It IHS will also save the core and let you put extreme preshure on it... now look close...The Modified IHS is thinner than the Cores board/wafer and is as thin than as the core itself:yepp:

You will not remove the IHS,,you will sand and Lap down to 2/64ths of an inch thick and have very low temps compard to stock.. Ive done 2x6000+'s 1c-2c variable , in short almost the same exact results on same mobo and waterblock

CUT

Sorry, I don't understand very well inches :(
In terms of percentage what is the reduction and the final thickness?
If the original HIS has a thickness equal to 100%, how much is the thickness of the modified HIS?

-What is the maximum reduction near the limit?
-What is the good compromise of the reduction (safe reduction) without reaching the limit?

Thanks a lot :)
...I apologize if my English is not the best

LIKMARK

12-10-2007, 03:16 AM

Welcome to the forum Cloud76! Take a look at the picture he's posted. I would say he's reduced the IHS to about half of the original.

Cloud76

12-10-2007, 04:13 AM

Welcome to the forum Cloud76! Take a look at the picture he's posted. I would say he's reduced the IHS to about half of the original.

Hi!
Thanks for welcome :)

I also thought it was so looking at photos... but he told "Ok Look very close at My IHS ITS Three times thinner than stock!"

So I asked for percentage... the photos aren't so clearer for understanding the reduction... and inches are not for me :mad:
;)

Mad_Man

12-10-2007, 09:46 AM

Hi!
Thanks for welcome :)

I also thought it was so looking at photos... but he told "Ok Look very close at My IHS ITS Three times thinner than stock!"

So I asked for percentage... the photos aren't so clearer for understanding the reduction... and inches are not for me :mad:
;)
from my understanding, and measurement, original ihs has 3mm, he sanded it down to 2/64"=~0.8mm in total thicknes. in the middle (contact area) the ihs is only 0.4mm thick
so from 3 => 0.8 = ~26% of the original thickness

madfaze

12-10-2007, 10:45 AM

@all

would you recommend a MSI k9a2 cf-f (not the platinum) for black proc?? i cant find any review for it...

duploxxx

12-10-2007, 11:26 AM

@all

would you recommend a MSI k9a2 cf-f (not the platinum) for black proc?? i cant find any review for it...

well its one of the first boards that has such a high spec for very low price.... search any other board that will provide you 2 x 16 pci-e 2.0. Only drawback to my opinion is the non standard ddr2 1066 support, but that is for phenom anyhow, not for k8.

madfaze

12-10-2007, 11:30 AM

well its one of the first boards that has such a high spec for very low price.... search any other board that will provide you 2 x 16 pci-e 2.0. Only drawback to my opinion is the non standard ddr2 1066 support, but that is for phenom anyhow, not for k8.

thanks...but geez cant find any review for it...grrrr:shrug:

anymore inputs?

EvilBellyLint

12-10-2007, 12:23 PM

gOtVoltage //

Okay... but wait a minute. You knew how much to lap
because you removed the IHS and used a micrometer.
How am I suppose to know how much material I am
removing? :eek:

EBL

beerking

12-10-2007, 07:51 PM

whats your vcore?

vcore=1.6

Northwood

12-10-2007, 08:59 PM

no-one here heard of Core 2 Duo yet? 13.5 Seconds SPI 1M @ 3.8Ghz average, and my E6850 ES only cost £120 on ebay.

muzz

12-10-2007, 09:01 PM

no-one here heard of Core 2 Duo yet? 13.5 Seconds SPI 1M @ 3.8Ghz average, and my E6850 ES only cost £120 on ebay.

Who asked about an Intel product?
I don't see them listed in the thread title.:down:

Northwood

12-10-2007, 09:05 PM

just seems odd people are sticking with AMD chips judging by the performance, baffles me tbh :confused:

JohannesRS

12-10-2007, 09:09 PM

no, we odd people are sticking with AMD. Given that fact, we are judging its performance.

Now, please go back to intel subforums, since most of amd-lovers were not in there bothering you (maybe a few) when a lot of people sticked with intel and seems that never heard about A64 performance, but oddly sticked with the blue team. ;)

Northwood

12-10-2007, 09:15 PM

i jump ship with performance, had an FX57 until C2D came along :D

KTE

12-10-2007, 09:26 PM

no-one here heard of Core 2 Duo yet? 13.5 Seconds SPI 1M @ 3.8Ghz average, and my E6850 ES only cost £120 on ebay.13.3s at 3.7GHz C2D is pretty easy. But who cares? No one.

If people buy/have/test an AMD chip it's no one else' business.

JohannesRS

12-10-2007, 09:29 PM

That's no problem. The problem is: this is a thread about tests on this specific plataform. Not even about plataform comparisons. ;)

I exchange my plataform with cost, performance and upgrade path (and available budget at the moment, of course). My 939 still serves me well (specially cause when it would be a good idea to change my budget was in low for full upgrade... :D ) and it got about... 5 upgrades in it's entire life, including at least two cpus, and I'm not 100% sure about my next upgrade, scheduled for H2/08. Up to now, the (weekly? :D ) exchange of chipsets from intel (hurting even nVidia ones) would move me strongly towards AMD despite the (actual) extra performance from Intel.

Northwood

12-10-2007, 09:43 PM

yeah true about the chipset changes i guess, would be great if the would come out with just one decent chipset that would last a couple years and put new CPU's on that, we've had the same socket for ages now :confused:

Cloud76

12-11-2007, 02:53 AM

from my understanding, and measurement, original ihs has 3mm, he sanded it down to 2/64"=~0.8mm in total thicknes. in the middle (contact area) the ihs is only 0.4mm thick
so from 3 => 0.8 = ~26% of the original thickness

Thank you very much for help, and for the use of "mm" and percentage.:)
It seems to me, however, that there is something strange; if the modified HIS is 0,8mm and the residual thickness is 0,4mm it means that the core is high only 0,4mm...:confused: I have never seen an X2@65nm without the HIS (I remember very well the K7) but it seems a little low... :shrug:

Could you (or someone who has the processor free and not installed) kindly make precision measurements?

Referring to a X2 @ 65nm:

- What is the core high? (Distance from PCB-top of the core)
- What are the lengths of the sides of the core?

Please don't :slapass: me
:)

Mad_Man

12-11-2007, 09:11 AM

Thank you very much for help, and for the use of "mm" and percentage.:)
It seems to me, however, that there is something strange; if the modified HIS is 0,8mm and the residual thickness is 0,4mm it means that the core is high only 0,4mm...:confused: I have never seen an X2@65nm without the HIS (I remember very well the K7) but it seems a little low... :shrug:

Could you (or someone who has the processor free and not installed) kindly make precision measurements?

Referring to a X2 @ 65nm:

- What is the core high? (Distance from PCB-top of the core)
- What are the lengths of the sides of the core?

Please don't :slapass: me
:)
btw, its IHS(integrated heat spreader) not HIS
dot know how high is the core, but you forgot that the IHS is not directly in contact with chip's pcb. there is some rather thick silicone stuff that holds the ihs in place. and that stuff is imho slightly less than 1mm.
i have a naked 65nm core here atm, but have no proper tools for measuring its height

Cloud76

12-11-2007, 01:50 PM

btw, its IHS(integrated heat spreader) not HIS

I'm sorry, you are correct!

dot know how high is the core, but you forgot that the IHS is not directly in contact with chip's pcb. there is some rather thick silicone stuff that holds the ihs in place. and that stuff is imho slightly less than 1mm.
i have a naked 65nm core here atm, but have no proper tools for measuring its height

Really? I thought that the IHS was very close with the PCB... I did't believe that this stuff was so high!
Thanks very much!:up:

Only another question, can you measure the sides of the core? This should be easier than its heigh.
I was thinking of using this heatsink:
http://www.xigmatek.com/product/air-hdts1283.php
it's important that the core is not too small otherwise all three HP does not touch the core (if I want to remove the IHS), this should be a problem.
Thank you!
:)

ryanmartini

12-11-2007, 04:08 PM

just seems odd people are sticking with AMD chips judging by the performance, baffles me tbh :confused:

Some people hold to a company for loyalty and in plain disagreement of certain company's business practices. Ill stick with AMD for a bit and see if they get on their feet. Phenom is a strong performer and is scaling well with clockspeed, AMD just needs to get a good stepping down.

Mad_Man

12-12-2007, 09:10 AM

Really? I thought that the IHS was very close with the PCB... I did't believe that this stuff was so high!
Thanks very much!:up:

Only another question, can you measure the sides of the core? This should be easier than its heigh.

ok, the silicone sealant is thiner than 1mm, but thicker than 0.5mm imho,
brisbane G1 core is 9*14mm

Cloud76

12-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Thank you so much, you have been very kind
:up:

sstrokerace

12-13-2007, 11:17 AM

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0301.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0299.jpg

It came to conclude that if you SAND then Lap the AMD soldered IHS down to 1/64th of an Inch thick it will net 1c higher temp that if the CPU was bare ...

This is nothing over completely unlidding the 6000+ ,The 1c differance was only due to the thickness of the solder not releasing the heat as fast!...

The trick here is ,, i measured a IHS that i removed from a 5600+ . I then took of a crap load of copper,sanding with 200 ,,400,,600,,1000,,1250 and then 2000grit wetdry...Untill it was only 2/64ths in total thick ness. To see how thin i could get it, I used a micrometer and measured the overal thick nes and top deck thickness...From top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center!....From that day on I will no longer delid them ! Doing this way results in never crushing a core period ! I know i tried with extream force with a water block and the thin top with solder under it protects the IHS under the most extreme conditions while cooling to the best it can be...

This isin't the clearest explanation I have seen.... since I work in decimals but what it looks like in these two pictures is that you are not reducing the thickness of the top, but the legs that support the IHS above the chip, hence reducing the gap in there making for better contact with the artic silver or whatever you are using.

"From top to bottom the fully prepped IHS will be 2/64ths thick and 1/64ths thin in the center!...."

Meaning the "lid" of the IHS over the chip is is .031" thick (1/64) and the legs that support the lid over the chip are .031" thick so when you put them together you get a total IHS height of .062"

That question make sense?

If that is what you are doing I can just take my next chip, de-lid it and measure the height from the base to the top of the chip and then cut the legs to that height and there will be very little if anything between the chip and IHS with a super thin layer of artic silver.... that sound about right?

Or are you just lapping all of this material off the top of the IHS?

Bret

gOtVoltage

12-13-2007, 04:05 PM

Modded IHS MM/64ths info!......For Extreme Users only .Use Extreme Care while performing this Mod ,,so you dont :explode2: you rig from Heat:D

If you want to Know,, inside the IHS...Where the solder is that inside lip is 1/64th high/thick from the Factory.I did not remove the IHS to do this Mod..I only removed the IHS to show all of you the thickness:up: ...The IHS Top portion is extremly thick and the core sits lower due too the epoxy and solder!

I sanded the TOP down more than half...The overall thickness Ill Meassure it right now with MM/64ths....Now remeber The Top of IHS will be paper thin and the solder will support the IHS even with a heavy @ss Aircooler/waterblock...this will protect it with out risking cracking Core from being Bare:yepp:Take your time doing this !!!!!!!

Ok here ya go ...The finished product will be 3/64ths to no less than 2/64ths..

Pictures are :ROTF: Self Explainitory..

!st pick stock IHS...4MM

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0315.jpg

2nd pick modded IHS...1MM

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0317.jpg

3rd pick stock IHS...64ths.......8/64ths

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0319.jpg

4th pick modded IHS...64ths.........3/64ths-no less than 2/64ths....

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0323.jpg

Blacklash

12-13-2007, 04:28 PM

Also if you are just a gamer an Agena or good dual core X2 would do you fine. You don't see large FPS differences unless you game @ 800x600 :p:

Even at low res the difference between a Q6600 and a 9600 @ 2.4. is small. Overclockers that stick to mild OCs and use stock voltage also might stay with AMD.

In order to get most Q6600s past 3.0GHz you have to start ramping up voltage and by the time you hit 3.6GHz it is meaningful. By 3.7 or greater it is usually a large increase. Most need expensive aftermarket heatsinks for that or they move to water cooling.

So gamers and those that do mild overclocks might stay on AMD. Certainly most serious overclockers are going to spring for Penryn as they can do 4.0GHz on air with a proper cooler.

I own two Intel rigs and am building an AMD rig for the heck of doing so. I had many good years overclocking with AMD and hope they get the kinks ironed out of Phenom. I guess I still have an irrational attachment to the underdog :)

Wiggy McShades

12-13-2007, 05:35 PM

ive got one of these coming in next week to replace my c2q i have, any idea on what these do on water?

KTE

12-13-2007, 06:16 PM

Should do above 3.6GHz IMO. ;)

Wiggy McShades

12-14-2007, 03:42 AM

Should do above 3.6GHz IMO. ;)

that is just beautiful

sstrokerace

12-14-2007, 07:37 AM

Modded IHS MM/64ths info!......For Extreme Users only .Use Extreme Care while performing this Mod ,,so you dont :explode2: you rig from Heat:D

If you want to Know,, inside the IHS...Where the solder is that inside lip is 1/64th high/thick from the Factory.I did not remove the IHS to do this Mod..I only removed the IHS to show all of you the thickness:up: ...The IHS Top portion is extremly thick and the core sits lower due too the epoxy and solder!

I sanded the TOP down more than half...The overall thickness Ill Meassure it right now with MM/64ths....Now remeber The Top of IHS will be paper thin and the solder will support the IHS even with a heavy @ss Aircooler/waterblock...this will protect it with out risking cracking Core from being Bare:yepp:Take your time doing this !!!!!!!

Ok here ya go ...The finished product will be 3/64ths to no less than 2/64ths..

2nd pick modded IHS...1MM

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u192/darrellsierra/HPIM0317.jpg

Good deal, I still don't know if I would want to sand that much off with the chip attached!

Taking this a step farther, you could just make that out of copper as well on a mill. At www.mcmaster.com PN 8964K414 of raw copper is only $14.26, just have to spend time making it.

Then again wouldn't that just be just like putting the head sink directly on top of the chip?

Bret

madfaze

12-16-2007, 12:19 AM

running @ stock

Abit Mobo

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachememstock.png

MSI mobo

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachememstockmsi.png

quite an improvement after BIOS update

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachememstockupdatedbios.png

validate http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=282629

Marblehead

12-16-2007, 09:28 AM

Should do above 3.6GHz IMO. ;)

My BE is acting weird, stockvoltage and 10 euro cooler = 3300Mhz
Watercooled, I need more then 1.65v to reach 3500Mhz and it is not stable :(

5000+BE
Msi K9A2 Platinum
2Gb Geil PC5300

Lostfaith

12-22-2007, 09:53 AM

alias

01-01-2008, 03:00 AM

hello i have some problems whit my new mobo tf 7050 and my and
my 5000 be

when i rise the multi on bios only windows Recognises
the change :(

cpu-z, cristal cpu and occt is not Recogning the new speed

i need to rise the multi whit cristal cpu if i want cpu-z and occt to
Recognises the new speed

how can i fix this problem ? :confused:

another problems is the cpu temp

t force utility is give me 25c on 0% cpu and 29c on occt
core temp is the Worse core 1 is 6c and core 2 is 2- :eek:

speed fan 0% cpu 13c and full occt is 29c

sstrokerace

01-01-2008, 09:27 AM

guys would need some help, got the g2 BE 5000+ but the m2r32-mvp is the one I can't figure out.

I know with multi-only on ~1.28vcore (1.225v setting) I am prime/occt stable at 2.8ghz stock fsb
however it appears I need 1.5v + to do +3ghz and the board /bios have their bugs (running 906)

but as soon as I try running through the oc'ed bus I have to raise the voltage a lot.
not quite new to overclocking but also still new for a64.
Ram is 4x 1GB OCZ (SLI labeled) 1066 at 2.25
the PSU (with the most rock stable rails I've ever worked with) is an FSP epsilon 700GLN

currently doing 266x10 with ram 1:1

If anyone can point me to a extensive OC guide for X2's I might be able to figure it out myself.

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7199/266x11g2cj5.jpg

You might want to check this out...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=105798

with the A64 stuff and AM2 chips you have to play with the memory dividers more, these chips at first seem that they aren't very dependant on RAM since you can just back the multiplier down but the performance of the computer is VERY dependant on the RAM.

Also 4 sticks is going to be harder to OC than 2.

Is that 266 HTT, 10 multi with the 800 divider (CPU/10) maxing out your RAM at 1066? A 12 multi can get you the same RAM speed and same HTT but get you close to 3.2Ghz, 14 and 16 might be good dividers to play with as well.

Hell you probably know more about this than I do, just thought I would throw that at ya.

Bret

Lostfaith

01-04-2008, 08:31 AM

You might want to check this out...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=105798

with the A64 stuff and AM2 chips you have to play with the memory dividers more, these chips at first seem that they aren't very dependant on RAM since you can just back the multiplier down but the performance of the computer is VERY dependant on the RAM.

Also 4 sticks is going to be harder to OC than 2.

Is that 266 HTT, 10 multi with the 800 divider (CPU/10) maxing out your RAM at 1066? A 12 multi can get you the same RAM speed and same HTT but get you close to 3.2Ghz, 14 and 16 might be good dividers to play with as well.

Hell you probably know more about this than I do, just thought I would throw that at ya.

Bret

thnx for the chart.
I was looking at a way to get my ram fully used at 533/1066ddr at a bit higher mhz from the cpu.
still can't figure it out that easily yet. not that new to overclocking but I am novice in A64 overclocking...

Also there's so much options in the bios for memory, chipset and cpu overclocking it's kinda dazzling to know which do what.
Only tried clock skew to -150 it was I think, memory to 5-5-5-15-22-2t, vnsb (northbridge I guess) to 1.3 and vhtt (hypertransport?) to 1.3 and cpu volts up to 1.6. (at which I finally pass 3.1ghz with mem overclocked but still no 3.2... ?)

either way, performance is satisfactory for now but I have leeway for 2.8/2.9 ghz on stock volts and not sure how to reach that while maxing ram at 1066.

Anyone able to point me that in the chart?

Mad_Man

01-04-2008, 10:25 AM

try this:
it does the hard math for you ;)
(only for AM2)

http://madbyte.sk/cpuz/am2tools.zip

no worry, thats my server, the .zip and containing file is OK

willyK

01-04-2008, 10:28 AM

Anybody want to throw a noob a bone and recommend some software to download to take screenshots?

Mad_Man

01-04-2008, 10:37 AM

if you have windows already installed ;)
-press PtrScrn key on the keyboard
-open up mspaint (pres winkey+R and type in mspaint, hit enter)
-hit ctrl+V
-adjust at will
-save as .jpg

other option is to download free software called screenhunter http://www.wisdom-soft.com/downloads/setupscreenhunterfree.zip
that program automatically saves selected region by cursor to a .jpg file

hope that helps

Lostfaith

01-04-2008, 12:19 PM

try this:
it does the hard math for you ;)
(only for AM2)

http://madbyte.sk/cpuz/am2tools.zip

no worry, thats my server, the .zip and containing file is OK

AWESOME tool, many thanks...

now to figure out if there's a way to do 3.2Ghz on this M2R32-mvp and what voltage it'd need. (Asus didn't even release a proper BE supporting bios for this board yet)

KTE

01-18-2008, 02:55 AM

Just wanted to add.

I didn't think 3300Mhz stable would happen. In fact, I don't think Ozzimark can do it despite his screenshot at 3100 or 3200Mhz, whatever speed it is really running - not on air anyway..."The wall" is big, strong and pissed off. You need at least a water chiller to keep temps workable without tripping over the cold bug that ruins these CPUs.This 'aint true. I had 3360MHz perfectly stable on stock volts (1.35V) typical air and temps were no where near high. I'm pretty sure I booted it first time (or roundabout). I benched it for around 3 days too.

Lostfaith

01-18-2008, 05:47 PM

well I improved a bit too.
@ 1.4125V in bios (1.456V real)

70880

still need to figure out this mobo, also ASUS needs to finally start giving us a decent post black ed. bios without a locked HTT at 5x.

Blacklash

01-19-2008, 07:06 AM

Anybody want to throw a noob a bone and recommend some software to download to take screenshots?

Do as Mad_Man suggests and if you want a great free program that could do it too try Irfanview-

http://www.irfanview.com/

if you have windows already installed ;)
-press PtrScrn key on the keyboard
-open up mspaint (pres winkey+R and type in mspaint, hit enter)
-hit ctrl+V
-adjust at will
-save as .jpg

other option is to download free software called screenhunter http://www.wisdom-soft.com/downloads/setupscreenhunterfree.zip
that program automatically saves selected region by cursor to a .jpg file

hope that helps

drogum

01-21-2008, 06:50 PM

running @ stock

MSI mobo

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachememstockmsi.png

quite an improvement after BIOS update

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachememstockupdatedbios.png

validate http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=282629

Madfaze,

Do you have any benchmarking results after overclocking? I was thinking of buying this MSI board 9$99 on NE) and the 5000+BE (also$99) and I haven't seen any OCing results to help me determine if this would be a good choice to buy or if I should go with another mobo.

Any info you have would be appreciated.

Drogum

madfaze

01-21-2008, 11:40 PM

Madfaze,

Do you have any benchmarking results after overclocking? I was thinking of buying this MSI board 9$99 on NE) and the 5000+BE (also$99) and I haven't seen any OCing results to help me determine if this would be a good choice to buy or if I should go with another mobo.

Any info you have would be appreciated.

Drogum

hope these helps...

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachemem.png

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/corsair500.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/32msuperpi.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/32mvalidation.jpg

validate

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=276390

validation

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=300746

;)

Penguin463

01-22-2008, 01:02 AM

Thats a nice suicide run :p:

madfaze

01-22-2008, 02:49 AM

Thats a nice suicide run :p:

thanks!... well not really a suicide run...

stable OC so far...

on stock vcore ;)

Mad_Man

01-22-2008, 09:54 AM

this is why i hate brisbanes...

your:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r37/madfaze/cachemem.png

mine:
http://madbyte.sk/cpuz/cachemem3000.png

as you see, its the same settings (mine has slightly worse timings), yet you can spot the difference

brisbanes have really ugly L2 cache.

this windsdor at 3000mhz needs roughly ~1.25V

i was big fan of G0 when they had come out, till i got hands on F3

Devil's Prophet

01-23-2008, 11:35 PM

I could buy a BE-2400 G2 stepping €100 and a 6400+ F3 stepping for €160. Which should be the best overclocker? And I stress: under standard voltage.

Basing my thoughts of above's results, I'd say F3. But is it worth the extra cost?

edit: well whaddayaknow, 5600+ F3 also available at "only" €130. Also, G1 stepping is only used in the low-end X2's, which means they suck, right?

Also a last question, how does F2 stepping compare to G2 and F3?

Spookie

01-24-2008, 12:09 AM

AMD rev. G1: Memory Read: G1 - 82xx MB/s | Read L2 Cache: 94xx MB/s Athlon X2 - G1 (http://spookie.lancut.org/pc_hardware/cpu/test/opvsbris/2850/bris/2.PNG)
AMD rev. F3: Memory Read: F3 - 85xx MB/s | Read L2 Cache: 13xx MB/s Athlon X2 - F3 (http://spookie.lancut.org/pc_hardware/cpu/am2/x2_3800_f3/test_v1/2850/2850-x2-ev-8546.JPG) | Opteron - F3 (http://spookie.lancut.org/pc_hardware/cpu/am2/opteron_1210/test_v2/2850/2850-op-ev-8544.JPG)
AMD rev. F2: Memory Read: F2 - 89xx MB/s | Read L2 Cache: 13xx MB/s Athlon 64 - F2 (http://spookie.lancut.org/pc_hardware/cpu/am2/3500+/test_v1/2850-3500+-ev-8959.JPG)

CLICK (http://pitbull-project.awardspace.com/viewtopic.php?t=104)

Next time i tested G2

sorry for my eng :P