Good design, good overclock, good pipe-The MSI P35 Neo2-FR overview

[windwithme]

Since Intel launched their P35 series over 5 months, all the motherboard
makers also started to sell their products since May. In the first minute,
P35 series defined on Mid-high range segment products,
that push P965 series become mainstream or entry level.

MSI first launch their P35 Platinum, defined on mid-high range segment.
This board have better overclock ability and valuable spec.,
that’s great improvement compare with MSI old Intel platform products,
also can beat other competitors.

The higher level X38 chipset products will come out soon,
We don’t know if this will match same situation as 975X/P965 segment define,
But on P35 products side which come our over 4 months, it’s about time to
have more competition on Cost/Performance.

This time we have mainstream fighter P35 from MSI – P35 Neo2-FR
As I know, the K8 platform Socket939 generation, the model “MSI K8N Neo2”
did have great moment on the market. Hope the P35 Neo2 could have that
kind of glory to hot sell on the market.

The box design, similar as P35 Platinum, just don’t have the shinning surface cover design.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1928/mp35fr01qa6.jpg

Inside stuff
Maybe not much, but all needed things here, comes with EZ-Jumper (Below IDE cable.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1073/mp35fr02fg4.jpg

MSI P35 Neo2-FR
Compare with P35 Platinum, only have some pipe reduce on looks,
but that makes this board more clear and clean.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/853/mp35fr03ii8.jpg

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/156/mp35fr04xe4.jpg

MB Down left side.
2x PCI-E x16 (Support ATI CrossFire technology, run on 16x+4x speed.)
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1926/mp35fr05ky8.jpg

4x SATAII (ICH9R)
1x SATA2+1x IDE (marvell 88SE6111)
The red button is for Clear CMOS function, with debug signal LED near by.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3733/mp35fr06pe1.jpg

Up right side,
4x DIMM DDR2 memory, support 667/800/1066 frequency.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/125/mp35fr07tv8.jpg

Up left side,
LGA775 architecture, support Intel Core 2 Quad/Core 2 Duo processors.
The PWM designed with 4 Phase circuit.
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1375/mp35fr08ia0.jpg

IO
6x USB 2.0
2x eSATA(ICH9R)
1x RJ45 jack
7.1 channel audio connector
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5901/mp35fr09cz9.jpg

Smaller but easier design heatpipe.
Northbridge P35 heat spread zone.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/3244/mp35fr10ex8.jpg

Southbridge ICH9R heatsink zone,
new version sink height is thin, that won’t block big size VGA install.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5966/mp35fr11ra6.jpg

PWM circuit heatsink zone.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9471/mp35fr12el8.jpg


BIOS part

Bootup Screen
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/3894/mp35frb01dw3.jpg

BIOS option menu
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9427/mp35frb02dj7.jpg

Cell menu main adjust menu.
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4187/mp35frb03bm1.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4931/mp35frb04ww5.jpg

DRAM adjust options.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9818/mp35frb05ul0.jpg

DDRII multiplier options
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7673/mp35frb06ex4.jpg

Support 2 set BIOS setup file save.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5373/mp35frb07iv3.jpg

H/W Monitor
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5664/mp35frb08un9.jpg


CPU:INTEL Core 2 Duo E6700/Core 2 Extreme QX6700/QX6850
MB: MSI P35 Neo2-FR
DRAM:CORSAIR Dominator TWIN2X2048-10000C5DF
VGA:ELSA 860GT PH2 EX 256B3 2DT
HD:WD1600AAJS
POWER:Corsair HX620W Modular Power Supply
Cooler:Thermaltake V1
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9729/mp35fr13ka0.jpg

QX6700 463X7=>3240Mhz run with 3DMARK
ELSA 8600GT EXTREME default frequency 650/2000

3DMARK2003
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/4504/mp35fr2003yz8.png

3DMARK2005
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2210/mp35fr2005ra4.png


QX6850 450x8 => 3600MHz at 1.336V
DDRII 1080 CL4 4-4-9 2.3V
4 PI 32M test done.
Since that’s 4phase PWM design,
it still very stable with Quad Core overclock heavy loading test.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5884/mp35frq3600pixa0.png

Dual Core E6700 extreme overclock test
555*6 => 3328MHz stable with dual SP2004 test
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6687/mp35fr555sppe2.png

This board can also into OS on 560MHz setting,
But it’s almost the CPU frequency top limited.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9933/mp35fr560ospu0.png

According to my experience with many P35 motherboards, compare with P965,
The FSB overclock frequency is 1~2 step higher then 965, support 45nm CPU is also an advantage.
MSI launched this great cost/performance value P35 Neo2-FR, have good
performance and spec with good price, that can make this board replace the 965 series motherboards.
We also hope that more motherboard makers will pull the higher P35 series
price down to 120~160USD, then end-users can have more options to choose.

Pros:
1.Retail price about 139USD, depends on different regional.
2.Full solid capacitors, all made in Japan.
3.Only reduce few heatpipe design, total functions very close to Platinum/Diamond segment.
4.CPU FSB overclock ability can catch up other competitors, the DRAM overclock ability is also good.
5.This heatpipe design did have better efficiency, the work temperature is lower then others.

Cons:
1.Other DRAM multiplier overclock ability could be improved.
2.BIOS options could design under voltage for CPU
3.Same boot-up screen already use 2 years, needs to be refreshed.

The upcoming review – about memory modules:
CORSAIR TWIN3X2048-1800C7DF
The fastest DDR3 and high-end spec product, frequency up to 1800MHz CL7.
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9417/mp35fr14mv2.jpg

[Speederlander]

Wow, nice looking board I must say.

[K404]

That looks a great board for the price :D Thanks for the info windwithme :)

If you have a chance, please could you bench a tweaked SPi 1M and 32M at 3600MHz, with a list of tweaks you use- I think my Giga boards PPC is a bit low and I want something faster per clock.

Thankyou :D :toast:

[lol]

wind, would you take this board over a blood iron/DS3R/p5k?

[Pete]

What rev is your bord? I had a rev 1.0 which blew with a really nice blue flame off a cap around the socket

[NickS]

Wow, 560 FSB. Looks to do around 465FSB with a quad as well! I might get this board!

[L'enFer]

i liked it Cell menu. i've never used MSI motherboards before, now i'd like to have this one :).

[tet5uo]

I loved my Neo2 Platinum socket 939 board, hopefully this one will live up to the namesake!

[heydo6]

nice ram

[NickS]

windwithme

Have you played with the board any more? Are there any weird bugs, quirks? Is there any new BIOS' out? Were you running a BETA BIOS? Thanks!

Nick

[Hans Gruber]

I have this board, it's great. I bought it because of the heatpipe system and it's almost identical to the Platinum version with less a less exotic heatpipe system.

This is my second MSI motherboard. My other board is the Neo-4 939 Nforce 4. MSI has NAZI like moderators on their hard to find support forum.

I was accused of hijacking a post titled NEO-2FR bios. I asked how to flash to the newest bios using Vista 64-bit. I'm still running bios 1.1 and it works well. I got no answer on MSI's forum and my post was deleted.

I would have bought the gigabyte P35 version if they had the heatpipe system at a lower price. I have the Gigabyte GA-965 DS3 board and they have 14 or more bios updates and they encourage users to update their bios to newer versions regularly.

MSI moderators told me I should never update my bios unless my current bios. Using Windows XP makes bios upgrading easy on MSI.

Anyway, I love the board, MSI makes great motherboards but the MSI forum moderators are the worst and they have around 10,000 posts.

PCSTATS.COM tested the platinum version of this board and it holds the record for highest FSB overclock of any motherboard.

If you crank up the NB and the FSB voltage, you get much more performance at lower voltages on the GO Q6600. I'm running at 3.4Ghz at 1.30v

[Flinch]

I read your post in that thread Hans, the mods were complete asses to you, their attitude was uncalled for.

Just placed my order for this board, as I'm saying goodbye to my DS3R when it returns from another RMA.

[windwithme]

Wow, 560 FSB. Looks to do around 465FSB with a quad as well! I might get this board!

I think this board is easy to overclock,
but I didn't test all of the functions, just feel smoothly when I use the board.

Overclock depends on all the components,
but this board did have great improvement compare with MSI P965 series.

[rob[GL]]

I love MSI board.

[natedog420]

I have this board, it's great. I bought it because of the heatpipe system and it's almost identical to the Platinum version with less a less exotic heatpipe system.

This is my second MSI motherboard. My other board is the Neo-4 939 Nforce 4. MSI has NAZI like moderators on their hard to find support forum.

I was accused of hijacking a post titled NEO-2FR bios. I asked how to flash to the newest bios using Vista 64-bit. I'm still running bios 1.1 and it works well. I got no answer on MSI's forum and my post was deleted.

I would have bought the gigabyte P35 version if they had the heatpipe system at a lower price. I have the Gigabyte GA-965 DS3 board and they have 14 or more bios updates and they encourage users to update their bios to newer versions regularly. please post a link to the world record from pcstats. the records are 690fsb and 8.1ghz and both are not with this board.

MSI moderators told me I should never update my bios unless my current bios. Using Windows XP makes bios upgrading easy on MSI.

Anyway, I love the board, MSI makes great motherboards but the MSI forum moderators are the worst and they have around 10,000 posts.

PCSTATS.COM tested the platinum version of this board and it holds the record for highest FSB overclock of any motherboard.

If you crank up the NB and the FSB voltage, you get much more performance at lower voltages on the GO Q6600. I'm running at 3.4Ghz at 1.30v
the record is 690fsb with dfi lp ut p35 from andre yang and are not with this board.

[Rolf]

Does this Board likes D9GMH's?

[chuckbam]

I have this board, it's great. I bought it because of the heatpipe system and it's almost identical to the Platinum version with less a less exotic heatpipe system.

This is my second MSI motherboard. My other board is the Neo-4 939 Nforce 4. MSI has NAZI like moderators on their hard to find support forum.

I was accused of hijacking a post titled NEO-2FR bios. I asked how to flash to the newest bios using Vista 64-bit. I'm still running bios 1.1 and it works well. I got no answer on MSI's forum and my post was deleted.

I would have bought the gigabyte P35 version if they had the heatpipe system at a lower price. I have the Gigabyte GA-965 DS3 board and they have 14 or more bios updates and they encourage users to update their bios to newer versions regularly.

MSI moderators told me I should never update my bios unless my current bios. Using Windows XP makes bios upgrading easy on MSI.

Anyway, I love the board, MSI makes great motherboards but the MSI forum moderators are the worst and they have around 10,000 posts.

PCSTATS.COM tested the platinum version of this board and it holds the record for highest FSB overclock of any motherboard.

If you crank up the NB and the FSB voltage, you get much more performance at lower voltages on the GO Q6600. I'm running at 3.4Ghz at 1.30v

Hans, you could not flash the bios with the DOS option?

[chuckbam]

where is the Memory remap ? I don't see it in the PDF.

[Aleki]

Does this Board likes D9GMH's?

seems to like my crucial ballistix just fine.
oc'd 2 sticks to 1gz @ 4-4-4-10 2.1vram
4 sticks can do 900mhz @ 4-4-4-10 2.1vram. need to cool them before i push them higher

not bad for a cheap board. paid 115 three months ago. though i would have personally gone with my friends gygabite for the extra 15 bucks. has advanced features. way better than my board. though his does run a bit hotter

[Phen0m]

This is a pretty powerful board especially for the price.. i built my system a month ago and have gone through p35 neo2 fr>>abit ip35 pro>>biostar tr2d7>>asus deluxe wifi and finally landed on the dfi lp.. i prefer the msi over them all except the lanparty. Overclocks super easy out of the box, easy to understand bios options, very good soundcard, had 0 problems with it.

Its underrated only because noone was willingly to give it a try.

[clon22]

I bought this board when it 1st released.
Its my 1st MSI Intel board.
Been using msi for amd and asus,giga for intel.
So far not bad.
Tested on my previous q6600 too.
In the Bios menu,
press F4, a power user menu will appear.
Dunno for what thou..

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser_config.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3860mhz_429x9_1072mhz_4438_3d06_885.jpg

Will try out on the LS when I have time.

[Aleki]

how... how did you get the board to post lower than 9 clocks under tras??
the lowest my board allows me to go is 3-3-3-9 on any frequency.
i have crucual ballistix 667 and 800's.
i tried them each individually and they wont give me that option

thought i saw the ballistix hit pretty low clocks somewhere on this forum which is why i'm asking

[clon22]

how... how did you get the board to post lower than 9 clocks under tras??
the lowest my board allows me to go is 3-3-3-9 on any frequency.
i have crucual ballistix 667 and 800's.
i tried them each individually and they wont give me that option

thought i saw the ballistix hit pretty low clocks somewhere on this forum which is why i'm asking
I used memset to adjust. :)

[NickS]

Bump - anyone got this board? I got one coming soon..

[wyemarn]

I'm using this board. Testing E2140 now. I can say this is a very good budget board. BIOS is little buggy though.

[NickS]

How so? Have you updated to v1.5? It shares the same BIOS as the P35 Plat... I can give you a link if you want.

[wyemarn]

How so? Have you updated to v1.5? It shares the same BIOS as the P35 Plat... I can give you a link if you want.

Yup I'm using 1.5 now. In fact, the board uses the same PCB as P35 so it shares the same BIOS. Only the two roller coaster pipes and firewire are missing. So basically you are getting a Platinum.

[neoman]

Hmm isnt this name Neo2-FIR instead of FR ( FR does not have heatpipes )

[wyemarn]

Actually there are two versions.

Neo2-FIR (with Firewire)

Neo2-FR (without Firewire)

Not sure what F stands for but I is for IEEE1394 and R is for RAID. Actually I don't see there is a need for Firewire nowdays. Not many ppl are using it. Anyway my Audigy 2 ZS comes with Firewire so I don't mind if the board doesn't come with firewire. Recently Toms hardware tested dual and quad core overclocking and recommended Neo2 in the budget segment.

[Henry]

clon22 : how about the vdroop with Q6600? Thx..

[heikis]

Hmm isnt this name Neo2-FIR instead of FR ( FR does not have heatpipes )

actually, both are with heatpipes.
however there are many misleading sites with wrong pictures.

[NickS]

Yup I'm using 1.5 now. In fact, the board uses the same PCB as P35 so it shares the same BIOS. Only the two roller coaster pipes and firewire are missing. So basically you are getting a Platinum.

So what is so buggy about it and or what are the bugs? :)

[wyemarn]

So what is so buggy about it and or what are the bugs? :)

Actually it's a minor bug. When I was using Pentium D, the BIOS menu shows wrong CPU speed when overclocked. However, this doesn't affect the effective overclocked speed so it's not really a problem, just a small bug.
However, after upgrading to E2140, the bug is gone.

Btw, I just updated to BIOS v1.72 beta downloadable from MSI forum. In fact there are lots of BIOS to be played with. Normal and performance BIOS. If you guys check out P35 roundups, you can see P35 Platinum performing quite good. That is because reviewers are using performance bios during review. I haven't tried them and from MSI forum, people find that performance BIOS is not really stable. So far, I'm happy with normal BIOS.

[NickS]

What is this "performance BIOS" and could you possibly link me to the new 1.72 beta?

[wyemarn]

So what is so buggy about it and or what are the bugs? :)


What is this "performance BIOS" and could you possibly link me to the new 1.72 beta?

Here's link for 1.72. It's German forum but you can find bios attachment in one of the post.

http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=31968&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=12

Here's performance BIOS P08. It's somewhere middle of the page

http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=31968&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=3

I don't have free time to test out performance BIOS. If you can pls test it out and post the results up. Thank you.

[[XC] 4X4N]

Hey Nick, I have a q6600 running 9x380 on this board. I haven't really tried to tweak it yet, but it looks like a pretty good board so far. It's been running wcg 24/7 for about 2 weeks. The vdroop is not bad, way less than the DS3-R. It seems to run real cool also. I am using the ver1.1 bios and have had no problems with it.

[NickS]

Here's link for 1.72. It's German forum but you can find bios attachment in one of the post.

http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=31968&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=12

Here's performance BIOS P08. It's somewhere middle of the page

http://msi-forum.de/thread.php?threadid=31968&threadview=0&hilight=&hilightuser=0&page=3

I don't have free time to test out performance BIOS. If you can pls test it out and post the results up. Thank you.

Sweet thanks. So wait, are the "performance BIOS'" separate from the regular ones?

[wyemarn]

I'm not sure. Performance BIOS are never released for end users. All the reviewers used performance BIOS during testing so I guess the performance is better than normal BIOS. Not sure about the stability and effect on overclocking though. Why dont you try it out and compare it with normal BIOS.

[scooter.jay]

I must ask the bios question as well i would like to see some testing on newer bios. I am running 1.1 no problems so far but would like to know if better one is available?:up:

[wyemarn]

I must ask the bios question as well i would like to see some testing on newer bios. I am running 1.1 no problems so far but would like to know if better one is available?:up:

Well, if you head over MSI forums, their mods will keep telling you not to upgrade BIOS if you don't have any problem. Personally I don't agree with this because I think BIOS upgrade will fix bugs and maybe enhance performance.

The latest BIOS released is 1.5 and beta is 1.72. I'm currently using 1.72 beta and if you are interested pls try it in the link above. Pls beware that a bad flash will ruin your board so I'm not responsible for anything.

[scooter.jay]

thanks for the reply. At the moment running 400x8 e2140 at 3.2ghz on swiftech apogee water block. The reason i asked is for when i get e8500/e8400 i will need to use a more mature bios due to the high clocks they seem to be able to reach but at the moment everything is rock solid and the limit i have reached is almost certainly the cpu limit not the board or ram. The thing is that i have already been told not update my bios by msi forums which i must admit i found strange as with all the other boards i have used bios updates have always shown some improvement.:shrug:

[jmmtn4aj]

I bought this board when it 1st released.
Its my 1st MSI Intel board.
Been using msi for amd and asus,giga for intel.
So far not bad.
Tested on my previous q6600 too.
In the Bios menu,
press F4, a power user menu will appear.
Dunno for what thou..

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser_config.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3860mhz_429x9_1072mhz_4438_3d06_885.jpg

Will try out on the LS when I have time.

1.675 vcore in bios and only 1.213 in cpu-z?! Actually, how on earth did you hit 428x9 at 1.213?

[NickS]

1.675 vcore in bios and only 1.213 in cpu-z?! Actually, how on earth did you hit 428x9 at 1.213?

9 times out of 10 CPU-Z doesn't correctly read VCORE on Intel mobo's. It said the same for me on my P5B DLX no matter what voltage was set in the BIOS.

[scooter.jay]

please tell the witchcraft you are using to use 1.675 Vcore surely thats going to get seriously hot.:shocked: :shrug:

[[XC] 4X4N]

Just did this a little bit ago. Will try for highest fsb with 7 multi when I get more time. What I like is 516 on the memory with only 1.9v :up:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2778/8x4304532mhe3.jpg

[wyemarn]

BIOS 1.6 is out. Try live update to download it or get it from MSI's FTP site.

[clon22]

clon22 : how about the vdroop with Q6600? Thx..
I really never measure it b4.
but it seems fine.
(as i have sold away my Q6600 already.)

[clon22]

What is this "performance BIOS" and could you possibly link me to the new 1.72 beta?
I dun really like performance bios...
they seem to be slower.
(*i suck @ tweaking spi too.) :p
I have test up till v1.5 bios..
so far, i'm still back to v1.1...
it seems to be the best for me...
:D
Which bios do you guys like?

[clon22]

1.675 vcore in bios and only 1.213 in cpu-z?! Actually, how on earth did you hit 428x9 at 1.213?
1.675v is for me to boot @ 4gb, but I cldn't
bench 3dmark on it(too darn hot)...
the 3.86ghz was @ 1.55v i remembered.
Am now using my old E4300 on it.
I can't find my pic...
latest was my w/88gt.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Msi_8800GT/3654mhz_1012mhz_4435_7431100_3d06.jpg

[clon22]

4X4N;2552185']Just did this a little bit ago. Will try for highest fsb with 7 multi when I get more time. What I like is 516 on the memory with only 1.9v :up:

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2778/8x4304532mhe3.jpg
Yes, but i think you got good rams too. :)
THe memory controller is not bad.
I use this board to to flash rams for my frenz
and it run quite well above 1200mhz oso.

[heikis]

BIOS 1.6 is out. Try live update to download it or get it from MSI's FTP site.

live update doesnt work and i have no idea what the FTP of MSI is. i simply cant find a newer bios.

:mad: :mad:

[EvilBellyLint]

live update doesnt work and i have no idea what the FTP of MSI is. i simply cant find a newer bios.

:mad: :mad:

ftp://ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/


EBL

[NickS]

ftp://ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/


EBL

Uhh.. user & pass?

[wyemarn]

From MSI forums

ftp://duser:duser@66.232.110.239/

Mainboard model is MS-7345

The only changelog is Peryn CPU support. I think it is compatible with .5 multipliers.

[EvilBellyLint]

Try this:

Direct link to Beta BIOS v1.6 (http://download1.msi.com.tw/files/downloads/bos_exe/7345v16.zip)

[scooter.jay]

Anyone tested penryn with .5 multis with newer bios out of interest.

[heikis]

Is there a way to fix the "double-boot" issue? OC jumpers are set to 333MHz. At stock everything is fine but for example 420FSB and it double-boots. You restart the computer and it turns off, then on for a split second, then off and then ON.
Also when cold booting.

I have the latest 1.6v BIOS isntalled.
Any fixes out there?

[gudodayn]

For the MSI P35 FIR motherboard.........can we just use P35 Platinum BIOS on them?
Just got it couple of days ago and is having problems OCing over 400FSB.
I still have the original BIOS that came with the board and want to see if I have better luck with a new BIOS.

Doea anyway know what's the average OC for a E2180 on this board anyway?

[NickS]

Yup you can.

[wyemarn]

Is there a way to fix the "double-boot" issue? OC jumpers are set to 333MHz. At stock everything is fine but for example 420FSB and it double-boots. You restart the computer and it turns off, then on for a split second, then off and then ON.
Also when cold booting.

I have the latest 1.6v BIOS isntalled.
Any fixes out there?

I think its normal with P35 boards. Try upping chipset voltage and VDIMM. If you can find the correct setting that it may only do single boot.

[EvilBellyLint]

For the MSI P35 FIR motherboard.........can we just use P35 Platinum BIOS on them?
Just got it couple of days ago and is having problems OCing over 400FSB.
I still have the original BIOS that came with the board and want to see if I have better luck with a new BIOS.

Doea anyway know what's the average OC for a E2180 on this board anyway?

avg. is probably 3.4GHz out of that E2180


EBL

[gudodayn]

avg. is probably 3.4GHz out of that E2180


EBL

I'm seeing a lot of users online posting these CPUs (C2D CPUs) with over 400 FSBs...........is this common?
Kinda makes me aim for a 400FSB as well with my chip!
Just ran 300 x 9 overnight with dual 32M Pi and dual Orthos without any hickups!
Would a BIOS upgrade improve my OC?
I see on MSI's website, the latest BIOS release for P35 Platinum is Version 1.6 / 2007-10-31..........any recommendations on earlier versions??

[Nazu]

...
If you crank up the NB and the FSB voltage, you get much more performance at lower voltages on the GO Q6600. I'm running at 3.4Ghz at 1.30v
You mean upping the nb and vtt voltage compensates for high vcore? I'm using 1,4v vcore now but it's more like 1,37-1,38v under load. Clocks are 3.4GHz.

[slugzkea]

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance

[slugzkea]

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance


UPDATE: 1.6 bios sucks. vdroop is mad.

Tried 1.4 bios too, still no luck.

1.1 bios seems to be the most stable, little to none vdroop, and highest overclock for me. (e6300@3.5ghz)

[gudodayn]

thanks for the reply. At the moment running 400x8 e2140 at 3.2ghz on swiftech apogee water block. The reason i asked is for when i get e8500/e8400 i will need to use a more mature bios due to the high clocks they seem to be able to reach but at the moment everything is rock solid and the limit i have reached is almost certainly the cpu limit not the board or ram. The thing is that i have already been told not update my bios by msi forums which i must admit i found strange as with all the other boards i have used bios updates have always shown some improvement.:shrug:

Hi Scooter ~ I'm running a E2180 with a Apogee as well, just wondering what kind of temps are you getting?
My is 333 x 9 @ 1.45V ~ Idle:31 / Load: 55
400 x 9 @ 1.65V ~ Idle: 40 / Load 65
I had a AMD dual core system prior to this, the difference is in the idle and load temperatures. AMD would give me a difference of 10~15 degrees only where as the Intel CPU is about 25 degrees!!!

[gudodayn]

anybody try the 1.6 P35 platinum bios on their p35 neo2-fr?

I'm currently on 1.1 bios, my e6300 is at 3.5ghz but my ATI 3870 is showing slower performance

I just did a P35 Platinum 1.60 flash on my P35 FIR..........it seems to be better than the 1.60 I had for the FIR......I am sure the 2 are different becuase of the different BIOS dates.

Prior to this, I did a performance P08 BIOS flash and that didnt work too well.....it wouldn't recognize my raid arrays!!

Which is why I reflashed it to the platinum..........

Compare to my old 1.60 BIOS:
I use to run 333x9 @1.45V, on the platinum 1.60 BIOS I can run 333x9 @1.375
Vdrop is just as bad....currently testing 366x9 @ 1.525V but CPU-Z shows its fluctuating between 1.504~1.512V
It seems to be running cooler at the same speeds as well or it might just be my watercooling system still flushing out air bubbles!!

I'll do more tests and get back to ya

[ownage]

So you can use the Platinum bios? What advantages does that give?

[afireinside]

So you can use the Platinum bios? What advantages does that give?

I'd like to hope it gives the advantage of not sucking, but I haven't tried yet.

This board is by far the worst motherboard I have ever owned. The BIOS sucks, the overclocking sucks, the performance sucks.

[ownage]

I'd like to hope it gives the advantage of not sucking, but I haven't tried yet.

This board is by far the worst motherboard I have ever owned. The BIOS sucks, the overclocking sucks, the performance sucks.

:ROTF: does it suck? :shocked:
What problems do you have, besides that PSU problem? Most ppl in this thread seem to be liking this board.

[afireinside]

:ROTF: does it suck? :shocked:
What problems do you have, besides that PSU problem? Most ppl in this thread seem to be liking this board.

BIOS is horrible. Bad layout and bad overclocking options.

performance sucks. My pi times are downright awful for the clocks at some settings.

Doesn't overclock well. My XBX2 and 680i took this chip a bit higher than this board with greater stability.

[Nazu]

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)

[ownage]

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)

Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?

[NickS]

Hmm...I think this is a great mobo for it's price. Bios is good enough and has enough vcore, vdimm and other volts. Stability hasn't been problem. Only thing about the layout that sucks it he placement of the atx2 power connector. Running my quad at 3.6GHz without problems and it's enough for me :)

Yup me too :)


Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?

Other people have ran their quads at almost 3.9 in this thread.

[Nazu]

Yeah, what about quad clocking?
Does the 4phase power design keep up with higher then 3.6ghz (unstable, benchable)?
Vdroop is about 0.02-0.03v and 3.6GHz is prime stable :)

[wyemarn]

Anandtech just reviewed this board.

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3169

Not bad considering the price.

[NickS]

Mines extremely stable.. see sig for settings. I love the board so far. It's been great!

[ownage]

Mines extremely stable.. see sig for settings. I love the board so far. It's been great!

I just got mine up and running, second boot 9x445fsb and booting into windows with my e6600. No vdroop, not even a bit :clap:
I still use the stock 1.3v bios, so i think its not bad for only 10minutes of experience with this board.


I changed the overclocking jumpers on the motherboard from 333strap to 266strap. Now performance isn't even that bad. although i would have preferred to have this as an bios option instead of changing jumpers.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/images/mainboards/msi-p35-platinum/p19s.png

[jon5]

Is 266 the best place to set the strap jumpers for overclocking? I have this board on the way the egg.

[NickS]

I have them @ 333, haven't played much.

[AndrewZorn]

I just bought one of these... what's the advantage of moving over the jumper?

[HDF_Aeronautica]

HI!!
I have this mobo for 2 weeks and I am really very agreeable. Is accompanied by an e4400, and although I have cooler stock I could do 333x10 very easily. And now I have it running 266x10 with 1.175v.

Les story that makes 2 weeks that I have Intel, come from a mother with AthlonXP VIA chipset :p:

The negative:
1-Double booting annoying
2-Unable to lower the vcore unless 1.175v
3-Cant change the last digit of timmings to less than 9 (x-x-x-9).
4- Missing memory ratio 4:3 or 1:1,33
5-At overcome think that the 300, fsb voltage of NB automatically rises to 1.45vy can not get off (re-set)

Nothing important about what gives this mobo for money that is (here in argentina U$S S162, the same as P5N-E SLI or P6N-SLI)

Now a question:
I have doubts as to the operation of Jumpers and its necessity in the OC. If I change the strap to 266 my micro stari in 2666mhz? Excuse my ignorance.

I wish to comment that I have read that there is a limit fsb for each position of the jumper of strap, to which there is a significant drop in performance. I believe that with the strap at 200, the limit is on 380, fsb, 266 limit around 450 bus.
Here is developed in a little more detail:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/msi-p35-platinum_8.html

Perhaps here is the advantage of the strap jumpers not?

PS 1: is my first post :)
PD 2: forgive my poor English :down: :down: :down:

[@rne]

I just bought one of these... what's the advantage of moving over the jumper?

If you have set the jumper to 266Mhz, the performance decreases when you are over ~430Mhz FSB.

I've tested the Board here, klick for a chart to compare the jumper results:
click! (http://www.awardfabrik.de/index.php?p=reviewpages&id=175&seite=8)

[jon5]

Nice work Arne. Looks like 333 is the best.

[AndrewZorn]

If you have set the jumper to 266Mhz, the performance decreases when you are over ~430Mhz FSB.

I've tested the Board here, klick for a chart to compare the jumper results:
click! (http://www.awardfabrik.de/index.php?p=reviewpages&id=175&seite=8)

wow, i didnt expect the answer to be so simple... thanks
cant wait til thursday... new PSU, new ram, new watercooling setup. right after a new video card. with a new CPU, i'd basically have a new computer... which i am thinking about selling this B3 and getting a G0. after i lap it and put it on water if im still getting piss-poor overclocks i will.

[@rne]

Thanks guys, no problem;)

And a max FSB of 550Mhz with only 1,35V VTT FSB and 1,45V NB isn't that bad huh?
click! (http://www.awardfabrik.de/images/review_pics/arne/msi_p35/550Mhzfsb.jpg)

[ownage]

Thanks guys, no problem;)

And a max FSB of 550Mhz with only 1,35V VTT FSB and 1,45V NB isn't that bad huh?
click! (http://www.awardfabrik.de/images/review_pics/arne/msi_p35/550Mhzfsb.jpg)

Nice review!
I didn't expect a performance drop because you choose to use the 266strap with a jumper :down:
I'm just below 530fsb, my memory is holding me back :(

[clon22]

Thanks guys, no problem;)

And a max FSB of 550Mhz with only 1,35V VTT FSB and 1,45V NB isn't that bad huh?
click! (http://www.awardfabrik.de/images/review_pics/arne/msi_p35/550Mhzfsb.jpg)
Wow! Neat...
:D

[clon22]

Juz a an 8800GTS/512 to test.
Testing my E4300 on it.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Msi_8800gts_128sp/4005mhz_445x9__1113_44410_3d06_stoc.jpg
This board is good. :)
I'm still using v1.1 bios currently.
Which versions do you guys like so far.

[monographix]

1.
I got this board and i placed an 8800GTX in the white PCIE slot thinking that this is the 16x (#1) and the card was crawling at 9fps in 3dmark06 WTH ... i went to bios and changed the PCIEx4 speed controller from auto to 4x and disabled "Auto Disable DIMM/PCI Frequency" and 3dmark06 run 85-35 fps showing normal function

Is there a chance that the physical 16x is the yellow one ???


2.
with any bios version above 1.3 the CPU (Q6600) voltage options in the cell menu start from 1.300v, the only bios from the ones i tried (1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.76) that gives correct values in this field is v1.3 . The actual voltage the CPU receives seems to be right (aprox 1.260?), looks like its just the menu options that are labeled wrong, for example the 1.300 option corresponds to 1.252-1.272 of actual voltage. Again, WTH?


3.
I have two sata drives. Is it normal that in AHCI mode they are detected only in two of the four ports? ("3" & "4" i think)


4.
Also, is there a way to get rid off the annoying USB scan beeps on POST ?
And is it possible maybe to disable (or selectively disable) those usb checks anyway altogether ? (or speed them up. i have lots of usb stuff on)

[wyemarn]

Juz a an 8800GTS/512 to test.
Testing my E4300 on it.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Msi_8800gts_128sp/4005mhz_445x9__1113_44410_3d06_stoc.jpg
This board is good. :)
I'm still using v1.1 bios currently.
Which versions do you guys like so far.

Nice chip you got there. I've no problems hitting more than 500mhz FSB for this board.

[ownage]

Juz a an 8800GTS/512 to test.
Testing my E4300 on it.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Msi_8800gts_128sp/4005mhz_445x9__1113_44410_3d06_stoc.jpg
This board is good. :)
I'm still using v1.1 bios currently.
Which versions do you guys like so far.

W00t, nice e4300.
Thats how i like it :D

[NickS]

1.
I got this board and i placed an 8800GTX in the white PCIE slot thinking that this is the 16x (#1) and the card was crawling at 9fps in 3dmark06 WTH ... i went to bios and changed the PCIEx4 speed controller from auto to 4x and disabled "Auto Disable DIMM/PCI Frequency" and 3dmark06 run 85-35 fps showing normal function

Is there a chance that the physical 16x is the yellow one ???

Top one is 16x.


2.
with any bios version above 1.3 the CPU (Q6600) voltage options in the cell menu start from 1.300v, the only bios from the ones i tried (1.3, 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, 1.76) that gives correct values in this field is v1.3 . The actual voltage the CPU receives seems to be right (aprox 1.260?), looks like its just the menu options that are labeled wrong, for example the 1.300 option corresponds to 1.252-1.272 of actual voltage. Again, WTH?

That's just vdroop. Overvolt more to compensate.

4.
Also, is there a way to get rid off the annoying USB scan beeps on POST ?
And is it possible maybe to disable (or selectively disable) those usb checks anyway altogether ? (or speed them up. i have lots of usb stuff on)

Nope, happens on all newer MSI's :(



See red text :)

[monographix]

See red text :)

is it surely vdroop? 1.300 seems to be the lowest volt option in the menu, with bioses after v1.3. Its not a measured voltage, just the setting option

[[XC] 4X4N]

V1.1 is still the best bios I think.

After about a month or so of using this board, I have to say I like it. Very easy to set up and has good onboard sound. Could do without all the damn led's though. Haven't tried any real high fsb with it. I'm currently running a q6600 @ 8x450 with no issues. Vdroop gets higher the more voltage you give it. 1.375v in bios with be about 1.39v at idle and drop to 1.37v at load. But to get 1.43v at load I have go to 1.4875 in bios. Also, the vcore jumps around a little. 1.4785 set in bios jumps anywhere from 1.42-1.45 at load. My DS3-R droops a lot more but the vcore stays very steady after the droop.

[clon22]

Nice chip you got there. I've no problems hitting more than 500mhz FSB for this board.



W00t, nice e4300.
Thats how i like it :D

Thanks guys. :D

[clon22]

Personally, I still like v1.1 best too. :D
Anyone tried measuring the voltage?
The newer bios seems to have a slight vdroop.

[[XC] gomeler]

Does anyone know if there is a working Windows FSB utility? About to start benching with this board and was hoping to eek out a few more MHZ once in Windows.

[[XC] 4X4N]

Setfsb works. link (http://www13.plala.or.jp/setfsb/)

[wyemarn]

Personally, I still like v1.1 best too. :D
Anyone tried measuring the voltage?
The newer bios seems to have a slight vdroop.

Can you share with us why you think 1.1 is the best? Better OC? More stable?
Currently I'm using 1.7 Beta 6 and I thinking of going back to 1.1 to push higher.

[ownage]

gomeler;2626415']Does anyone know if there is a working Windows FSB utility? About to start benching with this board and was hoping to eek out a few more MHZ once in Windows.

Setfsb, ICS9LPRS906CGLF
enable Ultra fsb, otherwise you hit a limit at 520fsb and get an error.

[[XC] gomeler]

Setfsb, ICS9LPRS906CGLF
enable Ultra fsb, otherwise you hit a limit at 520fsb and get an error.

Thanks for the help guys, for some reason I must have missed that. I'm an idiot :D Back to clocking this quad, 485x9 works with 1.525vcore, time to see what she can do on a single-stage with more attention to tweaking :yepp:

[AndrewZorn]

i just got this board, and am confused...
on the platinum, all 8 pins on the 2x4 connector are open. on the neo2, 4 of them are blocked off. is this right? am i supposed to, or should i pull off the block and use all 8 pins? use this in combination with the standard molex connector?

[NickS]

Pull off the block its just there for users who have a 4p PSU. As for the molex, I don't use it and have no problems.

[monographix]

if your PSU has an 8-pin plug use it there (take off the cover) If your PSU has a 4-pin plug, just plug it in there in the free 4 holes. The molex is used in tha case of crossfire or full complete pci population

[AndrewZorn]

Alright, that's pretty much what I expected, just making sure... the only thing that didn't make sense is why the Platinum doesn't have the blocker...

Fitting 7/16" tubing over an MCP655 inlet (at least from the angle I attempted) might have been the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

[monographix]

Alright, that's pretty much what I expected, just making sure... the only thing that didn't make sense is why the Platinum doesn't have the blocker...

Fitting 7/16" tubing over an MCP655 inlet (at least from the angle I attempted) might have been the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.


Who knows... my FR (v1.1) didn't have the blocker either.

[monographix]

Do you have some OC value suggestions for setting an Q6600 (G0) to 3Ghz for stable 24/7 use?

CPU Voltage
VTT FSB Voltage
NB Voltage
SB I/O Power
SB Core Power


Ram: Transcend Axeram 800+ Stock : 4-4-4-12@1.85v intended for 1066 5-5-5-15, voltage still to be found.

[jon5]

Got my board in. Hit 500 x 7 with no problems. It automatically adjusted my motherboard voltages when I increased the FSB. So far, I like it! Scoring 14k in 3DMARK'06 with 8800 GT.:up: BTW, FSB jumper set at 333.

[clon22]

Can you share with us why you think 1.1 is the best? Better OC? More stable?
Currently I'm using 1.7 Beta 6 and I thinking of going back to 1.1 to push higher.
I tried up to 1.6.
somehow I find superpi faster on 1.1 bios.
Maybe i sux @ spi.
Am still back to 1.1.. heehee...
(individual preference i guess. :D)

Juz to share mine : E4300 w/neo2-fr
(Its abit slow... i really dun know how those guys get such madness timings.)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Ati_HD3850/436x9_1090_44410_spi32m.jpg

[clon22]

Do you have some OC value suggestions for setting an Q6600 (G0) to 3Ghz for stable 24/7 use?

CPU Voltage
VTT FSB Voltage
NB Voltage
SB I/O Power
SB Core Power


Ram: Transcend Axeram 800+ Stock : 4-4-4-12@1.85v intended for 1066 5-5-5-15, voltage still to be found.
You are using Q6600 SLACR? G0 rev?
If so, I think stock voltages
should hit 3ghz easily. :)
Why dun you juz set the jumper to 333mhz fsb.
(Beside the 1st pcie-1x slot.) :)

[clon22]

gomeler;2626917']Thanks for the help guys, for some reason I must have missed that. I'm an idiot :D Back to clocking this quad, 485x9 works with 1.525vcore, time to see what she can do on a single-stage with more attention to tweaking :yepp:
Wow!
Luv to see your results. :D

[monographix]

You are using Q6600 SLACR? G0 rev?
If so, I think stock voltages
should hit 3ghz easily. :)
Why dun you juz set the jumper to 333mhz fsb.
(Beside the 1st pcie-1x slot.) :)

yeap SLACR, thats what i did initialy, stock is 1.25 but looks more stable with 1.26v . i wonder about the rest of the voltages, system seems more stable with those tweaked a tad as well but having a hard time finding the best minimums.

Set strap jumpers to 333 but thinking of changing to 266 (should i?) just to have the default clocks option back

whats with the PCIE 1x again?

[clon22]

yeap SLACR, thats what i did initialy, stock is 1.25 but looks more stable with 1.26v . i wonder about the rest of the voltages, system seems more stable with those tweaked a tad as well but having a hard time finding the best minimums.

Set strap jumpers to 333 but thinking of changing to 266 (should i?) just to have the default clocks option back

whats with the PCIE 1x again?
Oh, juz referring to where the jumpers are located. :)

[gigimow]

Can you share with us why you think 1.1 is the best? Better OC? More stable?
Currently I'm using 1.7 Beta 6 and I thinking of going back to 1.1 to push higher.

What added features are there in the 1.76 beta bios and where did you find the betas?

[bonzo_catalin]

I get my MSI P35 neo 2 fr . I want to tested max FSB , but i cannot set a lower multi . I have 1.4 bios .

[jon5]

Anybody got a Vdroop mod for it yet?

[jakemp]

i want to get this board th run with a e6750 and a 8800 gt. looks like a great combo that will support cyrsis. Such a beautiful game so many requirements. hoping to do a new build with this board

[wyemarn]

I've problems overclocking with 2GBx2 memory kit. Anyone using 2GBx2 RAM with this board? Mind sharing some infos on the RAM?

[monographix]

I've problems overclocking with 2GBx2 memory kit. Anyone using 2GBx2 RAM with this board? Mind sharing some infos on the RAM?

I have 2x1Gb Transcend "Axeram 800+" DDR2 800 4-4-4-12 @ 1.85v stock, running at 1066 5-5-5-12 @ 2.10v (testing 2.05v)

[tty]

I also prefer bios 1.1 because of the reduced memory latency, for example with 1.6/1.76 my memory is auto set at 5-6-6-18 (800MHz)and with 1.1 is set at 5-5-5-13 .
I have a Q6600 G0 and 4x1GB Team Elite DDR 800.
Max fsb I run into was 480MHz but for every day use (most of the time) I have the follwing settings (bios 1.1):
-fsb 400MHz x 8(3.2GHz)
-mem 960 MHz 1:1.2 (auto 5-5-5-16)
-cpu vcore 1.2875
-mem 1.90v (default)
-cpu vtt 1.250
-NB 1.300
-SB 1.6
-sb v 1.05 (default)
Running prime 95x4 gives me a max 55C on the cpu using TT Big Typhoon and 34C on the NB (temp probe). On idle it's about 26C for cpu and 27C NB.
I just love this board so far.

As a note, running 4 dimms gives you about 4% less bandwidth and need loose latencies compared to 2x1GB.

[wyemarn]

I get my MSI P35 neo 2 fr . I want to tested max FSB , but i cannot set a lower multi . I have 1.4 bios .

Did you disable Intel Speedstep? Btw, the lowest multiplier is 6x.

I just found out that BIOS 1.1 lets the owner to set Vcore 0.05V lower than VID. Vdroop is is small too.

[bonzo_catalin]

Did you disable Intel Speedstep? Btw, the lowest multiplier is 6x.



Of course i did .

[clon22]

I've problems overclocking with 2GBx2 memory kit. Anyone using 2GBx2 RAM with this board? Mind sharing some infos on the RAM?
I have paired the ocz 4-4-3-15 4GB EB with the board b4.
I couldn't scale pass 820mhz.
Its weird, that on the same pair,
my friend did 1090mhz.
I have no idea if its a compatibility issue or what.
You might want to take a look.
http://www.futron.sg/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25

I have since sold off the rams.
I still like the board very much. :)

[tty]

It's something weird with memory settings/compatibility on this board.
I can do up to 1100MHz on 5-5-5-16 but no more than 820MHz on 4-4-4-12.
Maybe they can fix this in some new bios. Actually I would like them to improve 1.1 bios and forget about the others.

Update on my settings:
Q6600 G0 - 4x1GB ddr800 team elite - bios 1.1
400x8 3.2GHz - 960MHz 5-5-5-16 (1:1.2)
CPU 1.275v (almost default)
mem 1.90v (default)
CPU Vtt 1.200 (default)
NB 1.250 (default)
SB 1.5 (default)

Runs great for a 24/7 setup, low temps, fans on 5v.

[wyemarn]

I have paired the ocz 4-4-3-15 4GB EB with the board b4.
I couldn't scale pass 820mhz.
Its weird, that on the same pair,
my friend did 1090mhz.
I have no idea if its a compatibility issue or what.
You might want to take a look.
http://www.futron.sg/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25

I have since sold off the rams.
I still like the board very much. :)

definately board or bios problems because with 2Gb sticks I've problems going above 820-830mhz. will let msi know about this.

[NickS]

I have no problem at all pushing my G.Skill 4GBPQ to >1000MHz on this board. :rolleyes:

[[XC] gomeler]

Gotta say this board kicks loads of butt with this quad and it's a huge step up from my P965 board. Managed to hit DDR2-1176 5-5-5-15 with relatively loose subtimings with only 2.3v with my D9GKX. The kicker though was 5-5-5-15 timings, 1.8v, and 1032MHz 24/7 stable :D Also does 3-3-3-9 2.3v 826MHz 24/7 stable, when I get back going to pump 2.5+v and see how this board will really fly. The limited quad testing I've done has shown 500FSB stable with moderate to high motherboard voltages but CPU voltages themselves are shockingly low. Going on vacation tomorrow so I won't have a chance to post any results, but for $90 or so this board is definitely a good buy.

[wyemarn]

I have no problem at all pushing my G.Skill 4GBPQ to >1000MHz on this board. :rolleyes:

Which version BIOS you are using ?

[NickS]

v1.6

[tty]

I tried 1.6, I can go higher with that .. like 1080MHz on the memory but on very lazy latencies .. like 5-7-7-21. Compared to 1:1 has no advantages except that you get higher nr on MHz, but on real memory bandwidth you get the same or even lower transfer rates due to high latency.

[systemviper]

I have had great luck with my MSI p6 platinum 650i. It cranked on overclocking my Q6600 to 3.6 on air no problemo, but i want a 780i board now...

[wyemarn]

Got another 4GB kit. This time it's Patriot Signature 4GB kit. Same problem. Can't pass FSB 420. Tried BIOS 1.6 too. Seems like compatibility problem with 2GB sticks.

[jon5]

I cannot get it too run with the 1:1.25 divider (947). It wont even boot into windows. Runs fine in the 1:1.2 divider (909). I don't think it's my memory, G.Skill 4GBPQ, because I had no problems reaching 1000 at 1:1 divider. May be a 1:1.25 divider issue with the board. Using 1.1 bios. Anybody experiencing the same?

[NickS]

Got another 4GB kit. This time it's Patriot Signature 4GB kit. Same problem. Can't pass FSB 420. Tried BIOS 1.6 too. Seems like compatibility problem with 2GB sticks.

Click the link in my sig for CPU-Z Validation of my 24/7 settings.


Keep tryin' :rolleyes:

[[XC] 4X4N]

I cannot get it too run with the 1:1.25 divider (947). It wont even boot into windows. Runs fine in the 1:1.2 divider (909). I don't think it's my memory, G.Skill 4GBPQ, because I had no problems reaching 1000 at 1:1 divider. May be a 1:1.25 divider issue with the board. Using 1.1 bios. Anybody experiencing the same?

I have the same issue. Reminds me of my P5B-Deluxes, they would not run the 4:5 divider worth a damn either. Anything above about 410, using 4:5, I can't even post. But with 5:6, no trouble all the way to 460. (Haven't tried higher)

[jon5]

4X4N;2648749']I have the same issue. Reminds me of my P5B-Deluxes, they would not run the 4:5 divider worth a damn either. Anything above about 410, using 4:5, I can't even post. But with 5:6, no trouble all the way to 460. (Haven't tried higher)

I agree. I am coming from the P5D Deluxe and the 4/5 divider would not work there either. I am running Prime right now at 425 fsb and 1020 on the memory. 2 hours in, and no problems so far. Stock volts, 2.10 on the memory.

[wyemarn]

Click the link in my sig for CPU-Z Validation of my 24/7 settings.


Keep tryin' :rolleyes:

Just can't pass 420mhz. Not sure what's the problem. Ive tried resetting BIOS, changing different BIOS and etc.

[clon22]

I have no problem at all pushing my G.Skill 4GBPQ to >1000MHz on this board. :rolleyes:
So I'm the faulty one..
arrgghh...
haha... thanks for the info. :)
Anyway not to concerned with 2gb sticks. :D
The board is good.
Juz bought an MSI 8800GTS512.
Got to try it out when i'm free some time. :D

[monographix]

I dont know if i should RMA my own Neo2-FR ....

CPU: Q6600

1. It has never shown CPU Fan rpms being more than 1100 (AFAIK shoudl be 2000-2700) ... I get 77C under orthos load at stock 2.4 and 84 @ 3Ghz .... Either is misreading both CPU fan rpms and temperatures or is not controlling the CPUfan at all and indeed temps raise that high ... smartfan is not working anyways no matter what settings

2. Lost two times the 16x link width of the PCIE16x to 1x and then revived again, have no clue how and why

3. all bioses above v1.3 will give me as starting VCORE setting the 1.30v (instead of the proper 1.25v). 1.3v will be the lowest option in the vcore menu settings .... (and the measured voltage with this setting is 1.272)

4. bios 1.76 wont save the settings at all always post up with "bad checksum error Press F1 to enter setup or F2 to load default values and continue" message. No matter what i do (I think this happened with 1.6 too). Ofcourse did complete CMOS clearing, no power etc

[tty]

1. Find out what CoreTemp reports about your temperatures, should't have problems reporting the right ones.
2. Could be because of bios flashing problems.
3. They are set to a 1.3000v default because the vdroop is bigger, you should normally get 1.275 (default) when set to 1.300v . For example, in bios 1.1 you get 1.3000v in idle when you set 1.2750 in bios. From 1.3 -> it's the other way around.
4. Looks to me like you didn't use afud 408 and you used 412 or 418 that sometimes writes the bios with errors and they don't destroy cmos data.

[wyemarn]

I dont know if i should RMA my own Neo2-FR ....

CPU: Q6600

1. It has never shown CPU Fan rpms being more than 1100 (AFAIK shoudl be 2000-2700) ... I get 77C under orthos load at stock 2.4 and 84 @ 3Ghz .... Either is misreading both CPU fan rpms and temperatures or is not controlling the CPUfan at all and indeed temps raise that high ... smartfan is not working anyways no matter what settings

2. Lost two times the 16x link width of the PCIE16x to 1x and then revived again, have no clue how and why

3. all bioses above v1.3 will give me as starting VCORE setting the 1.30v (instead of the proper 1.25v). 1.3v will be the lowest option in the vcore menu settings .... (and the measured voltage with this setting is 1.272)

4. bios 1.76 wont save the settings at all always post up with "bad checksum error Press F1 to enter setup or F2 to load default values and continue" message. No matter what i do (I think this happened with 1.6 too). Ofcourse did complete CMOS clearing, no power etc

1. Did you enable Smartfan?
2. Not sure what you did.
3. All bios after 1.3 will set the VID of the CPU to the lowest Vcore.If the VID of your Q6600 is 1.3V then the lowest Vcore setting is 1.3V
4. Try to reflash the bios again. I had this problem last time and a reflash will fix the problem. Btw 1.67 beta7 is around.

[wyemarn]

I contacted MSI technical support and they told me they will investigate about compatibility and overclocking 2GB memory sticks. Here is a reply i got :


Dear SIr/Madam,

Thanks for contacting MSI Technical Support again.

Please kindly provide us your MB'ERP number(refer to the below picture) and we will copy your problem.If we can copy this issue and we will fix it ASAP.If we release the new BIOS and we will contact you ASAP.

Thanks for your cooperation in advance.
Best regards
MSI Technical Support Team

http://support.msi.com.tw/images/up_photo/1198474437_up.JPG


Can anyone check their board and let me know the MB'ERP number? Thank you.

[Mxlplx]

Mine has 030, i have that same memory and can only run it at 1:1.2 divider. Thanks for informing MSI a bios fix will certainly help us.:up:

[wyemarn]

Mine has 030, i have that same memory and can only run it at 1:1.2 divider. Thanks for informing MSI a bios fix will certainly help us.:up:

Can you post our max FSB and RAM overclock? How about voltage? I can't pass FSB 420 and RAM 840mhz with highest voltage and loose timings.

[Mxlplx]

Sorry m8, when i got the settings on my sig p95 stable and can pass 32m superpi i dismantled my system to mod my case to fit in another mcr360 rad but my ram is running at 1000mhz at 2.0v i think. I'll try for the max i can get when i put it back on.

[tty]

wyemarn I have this memory, 2 kits and if I use only one kit (2x1GB) I can go way over 1000MHz on 2.0v, I was at 1080MHz 5-5-5-16 2.0v and there was room for more but didn't push it.
This is the memory I'm talking about:
http://happy.ap.teacup.com/occ2/3.html

[Bl4ck^!]

i have this board since 1 month now , using 1.6 official bios (flashed today with 1.7 beta 7 bios )

Using 2x1GB OCZ XTC Titanium EPP @ 1002Mhz 4-5-4-12 2T ( 6-5-4-5)
+ 1 Micron D9 Based 800Mhz memory @ same speed total 3GB ;]
Xeon 3060 can do easy 7x500Mhz @ 1.478V = 1.465 Real
Runnin 24/7 @ 9x401 ~3609Mhz + EIST Enabled ,
Cooled by Scythe Ninja Rev.B
Great board.
Will post pics soon.

[@rne]

I'm running Biosversion 1.63B now for a couple of weeks and this beta seems to be quite stable. The only thing witch is bothering me is the fact that you can't undervolt the cpu. are there any other biosversions which are offering the feature of undervolting?

[wyemarn]

wyemarn I have this memory, 2 kits and if I use only one kit (2x1GB) I can go way over 1000MHz on 2.0v, I was at 1080MHz 5-5-5-16 2.0v and there was room for more but didn't push it.
This is the memory I'm talking about:
http://happy.ap.teacup.com/occ2/3.html

Hi tty, Thanks for the reply. I've used that memory before. I can push that beyond 1000mhz too. Now with 2GBx2, I cant go beyond 840mhz. Are you the writer of that review?


I'm running Biosversion 1.63B now for a couple of weeks and this beta seems to be quite stable. The only thing witch is bothering me is the fact that you can't undervolt the cpu. are there any other biosversions which are offering the feature of undervolting?

If I'm not mistaken, BIOS 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3 allow the user to undervolt 0.05V below VID. So if your VID is 1.35V, you set the lowest Vcore to be 1.3V.

[@rne]

Nah, thats not enough. I was thinking of regions below 1V;)

[clon22]

i have this board since 1 month now , using 1.6 official bios (flashed today with 1.7 beta 7 bios )

Using 2x1GB OCZ XTC Titanium EPP @ 1002Mhz 4-5-4-12 2T ( 6-5-4-5)
+ 1 Micron D9 Based 800Mhz memory @ same speed total 3GB ;]
Xeon 3060 can do easy 7x500Mhz @ 1.478V = 1.465 Real
Runnin 24/7 @ 9x401 ~3609Mhz + EIST Enabled ,
Cooled by Scythe Ninja Rev.B
Great board.
Will post pics soon.
Cool man...
Luv to see some pics soon. :D

[Bl4ck^!]

Well , as you can see i have some trouble with the 1.7 Beta 7 bios , it isn't stable with the 4-5-5-15 timings :/ i'll just rollback to official 1.6

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6372/xeonkq6qt4.jpg

[wyemarn]

MSI told me to try out Performance BIOS P09 for 2GB modules' overclock. Anyone try before?

[Bl4ck^!]

MSI told me to try out Performance BIOS P09 for 2GB modules' overclock. Anyone try before?

i can try it , where is it available ?

[tty]

Here it is:

http://www.badongo.com/file/5585294

I heard it has some bug with some G92 cards but not sure.
I'll try it too.

[wyemarn]

ftp://jerryuser:msienduser@ftp.msi.com.tw/BIOS/7345/

MSI beta bios FTP.

[clon22]

Well , as you can see i have some trouble with the 1.7 Beta 7 bios , it isn't stable with the 4-5-5-15 timings :/ i'll just rollback to official 1.6

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6372/xeonkq6qt4.jpg
Very good chip u have there. :D
I like. :D

[Bl4ck^!]

Very good chip u have there. :D
I like. :D

heh , i like it too , but i wouldn't mind if it where QX9650 ;F (as we all wouldn't i
'm sure )
Going to check that Performance 09 beta bios today, looks like it's legit.

[tty]

Tried P09, it's bollocks. Same like 176/177 .

[Bl4ck^!]

Tried P09, it's bollocks. Same like 176/177 .

P09 gives me constant "CMOS checksum error" can't save anything, but the good news is that i removed one "troublesome" memory stick (micron D9) and left the other 2 OCZ XTC and bumped the cpu a little ;>

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=288234
nothing special , but i will brake the 4Ghz barrier , only a matter of time.

The BIOS is 1.7 beta 7

[tty]

I highly recommend to use afud408 to flash the bios, 412 and 418 cause cmos errors, basically they don't destroy it.

[wyemarn]

Did you guys try out the USB memory stick BIOS flashing by MSI forums? I've been using it all this while and it's great. Everything is automated.

[Bl4ck^!]

Did you guys try out the USB memory stick BIOS flashing by MSI forums? I've been using it all this while and it's great. Everything is automated.

yep, i only use the tool to make a bootable stick , then i cancel the "auto" mode and prefer to flash myself ;] (old school ;f)

must try that method with older flashing tool, i did use the AUFD412 since it common practice to use the latest flash tool with the latest bios (at least that was the fact with ASUS boards ) but i Guess MSI does it different ;]

Today it's going to be a busy day for me ;]

[tty]

Did you guys try out the USB memory stick BIOS flashing by MSI forums? I've been using it all this while and it's great. Everything is automated.
Yes I'm using that, actually I use a usb flash drive ever since.
It's alot more safer than floppy disk, besides, I don't even run a floppy drive for ages.

[clon22]

I used the usb too.
Very convenient. :D
Been using afud412 to do my flashing...
so far all is well...
pray nothing goes wrong..
heehee...

[clon22]

P09 gives me constant "CMOS checksum error" can't save anything, but the good news is that i removed one "troublesome" memory stick (micron D9) and left the other 2 OCZ XTC and bumped the cpu a little ;>

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=288234
nothing special , but i will brake the 4Ghz barrier , only a matter of time.

The BIOS is 1.7 beta 7
When you hit 4ghz.
I'd luv to see some 3Dm06 cpu scores
and nuclearus multicore. :D:D

[Bl4ck^!]

PCI Cirrus Logic 5480 2mb ;D and voila

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=289941

Super Pi 1m run , bumped the vcore to 1.57 just to be "safe" ;] , memory @ 5-5-5-15 just to be sure that they aren't the "culprit"

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5001/superpi1mux7.png

[Hans Gruber]

Right now I'm using official bios 1.6 I would like to know which bios has the best overclocking on memory? Will bios 1.7 improve memory overclocks and timings? My A-Data Vitesta is supposed to hit 1066Mhz and I can only get 962Mhz.

[Bl4ck^!]

Right now I'm using official bios 1.6 I would like to know which bios has the best overclocking on memory? Will bios 1.7 improve memory overclocks and timings? My A-Data Vitesta is supposed to hit 1066Mhz and I can only get 962Mhz.

is your Vitesta guaranteed by the manufacturer to hit 1066 ? , i didn't find any kind of differences with different bios'es , 1.6 is ok , i'm now on 1.7beta7 and i don't see any difference , some ppl like the 1.1 version , some 1.3 or 1.4
You have to check what version is best for you.

P.S. Xeon booted with 4.0Ghz and 4.3Ghz but either not enough V for cpu or fubar ;F

[WSX]

I'd like to know how that MSIHQ tool works ... for instance where does it get the boot files from, and what about the SureHands option, and how does it know the difference between a beta bios & an official one.

[Bl4ck^!]

I'd like to know how that MSIHQ tool works ... for instance where does it get the boot files from.
it's just bunch of DOS files, and generic USB Key boot files + the MSI .bat files


and what about the SureHands option there are only a few supported MSI Boards , the tool recongnizes from the BIOS name for example MSI 7345 (P35-Neo2) and since the FR and FIR use the same bios it's all good,


and how does it know the difference between a beta bios & an official one. beta bios is named like this A7345IMS.177 (the extension of the file is for version 177 or 176 )

and the official has xxxx.bin extension ;]

[WSX]

good to know ... but I still like to do it myself when it comes to BIOS updates, I stick 3 or 4 BIOS on a CD together with afudos & the boot files, then it's easy to change between them.

[clon22]

PCI Cirrus Logic 5480 2mb ;D and voila

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=289941

Super Pi 1m run , bumped the vcore to 1.57 just to be "safe" ;] , memory @ 5-5-5-15 just to be sure that they aren't the "culprit"

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5001/superpi1mux7.png

Very nice xeon u have. :D

[clon22]

Right now I'm using official bios 1.6 I would like to know which bios has the best overclocking on memory? Will bios 1.7 improve memory overclocks and timings? My A-Data Vitesta is supposed to hit 1066Mhz and I can only get 962Mhz.
Really depends on the individual...
Personally, I still like v1.1. :)

[Hans Gruber]

The biggest difference I see with Bios 1.6 vs. 1.1 is the lowest Vcore setting for my Q6600 was 1.225v on 1.1 vs. 1.275v on the 1.6 bios. I have a GO stepping quad core. The 1.6 bios undervolts the vcore slightly while the 1.1 bios overvolted the vcore significantly, 1.225v could register 1.625v on bios 1.1.

The ADATA memory was tested by many professional sites all achieveing well in excess of 1066Mhz. One review guarantees over 1000Mhz while another guaranteed at least 1066Mhz. The ram is called DDR2 800+ and it's ADATA's performance ram.

I really like the MSI board and flashing the bios with a memory stick is easy.

[heikis]

The biggest difference I see with Bios 1.6 vs. 1.1 is the lowest Vcore setting for my Q6600 was 1.225v on 1.1 vs. 1.275v on the 1.6 bios. I have a GO stepping quad core. The 1.6 bios undervolts the vcore slightly while the 1.1 bios overvolted the vcore significantly, 1.225v could register 1.625v on bios 1.1.

The ADATA memory was tested by many professional sites all achieveing well in excess of 1066Mhz. One review guarantees over 1000Mhz while another guaranteed at least 1066Mhz. The ram is called DDR2 800+ and it's ADATA's performance ram.

I really like the MSI board and flashing the bios with a memory stick is easy.

from 800+ adatas you can not be 100% sure that you get micron d9gmh. some of the 800+ modules are based on promos and maybe others too

[jon5]

When you hit 4ghz.
I'd luv to see some 3Dm06 cpu scores
and nuclearus multicore. :D:D

Here is a 3.905g score for ya. I could not get 4g too complete cpu test...
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4432304

[clon22]

Here is a 3.905g score for ya. I could not get 4g too complete cpu test...
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=4432304
Your Cpu score is very high for 3.9ghz.
Wow!! :D
Very good results. 16.1k. :D

[Bl4ck^!]

Your Cpu score is very high for 3.9ghz.
Wow!! :D
Very good results. 16.1k. :D

well it's a quad :p: :cool: , probably G0 that's the 3.9

[L'enFer]

Is there enough space around the socket to place on the motherboard a huge heatsink such as Scythe Infinity (or any other)? I think chipset cooling system is to close to CPU socket, isn't it?

[Bl4ck^!]

Is there enough space around the socket to place on the motherboard a huge heatsink such as Scythe Infinity (or any other)? I think chipset cooling system is to close to CPU socket, isn't it?

i have a Scythe Ninja Rev.B and it has enough room , Infinity will fit also.

[jon5]

Is there enough space around the socket to place on the motherboard a huge heatsink such as Scythe Infinity (or any other)? I think chipset cooling system is to close to CPU socket, isn't it?

I have a TRUE with 2 120mm strapped to it, no problem.:up:

[jon5]

Your Cpu score is very high for 3.9ghz.
Wow!! :D
Very good results. 16.1k. :D

Thanks!! We had some cool weather here that allowed me to crank up the volts.

[L'enFer]

Thanks for the answers.

[[LCN]Knowledge]

Hey, hi all and happy new year =D

I just pulled the trigger with this board (Neo2-FR), C2D E6550, OCZ 2*1GB 800mhz.

I saw on the MSI website that this CPU is supported in BIOS 1.4 or higher.

As it seems that Bios 1.1 is the best for overclocking and with less vdroop, i would like to know if someone here have an E6*50 CPU using a Bios older than 1.4.

I guess i will have to stick with Bios 1.6 because it seems to be the best one besides 1.1

Thanks in advance!

[wyemarn]

Knowledge;2676755']Hey, hi all and happy new year =D

I just pulled the trigger with this board (Neo2-FR), C2D E6550, OCZ 2*1GB 800mhz.

I saw on the MSI website that this CPU is supported in BIOS 1.4 or higher.

As it seems that Bios 1.1 is the best for overclocking and with less vdroop, i would like to know if someone here have an E6*50 CPU using a Bios older than 1.4.

I guess i will have to stick with Bios 1.6 because it seems to be the best one besides 1.1

Thanks in advance!

How far have you gone with your E6550? Actually there is no difference between in terms of Vcore delivery to your CPU with bios 1.1 or 1.4. Bios 1.3 and lower allows the user to set the lowest Vcore 0.05V lower than the VID. For example my E6320's VID is 1.35V

Bios 1.6
Lowest Vcore setting - 1.35V
Idle Vcore - 1.32-1.33V
Load Vcore - 1.30-1.31V

Bios 1.1
Lowest Vcore setting - 1.30V
Idle Vcore - 1.33-1.34V
Load Vcore - 1.30-1.1V

I've tried Pent D 930, Pent Dual-Core E2140 and now E6320. The behaviour is the same so there is not much difference. Btw, you can try out beta bios 1.77 or performance bios P09 for overclocking.

[sharpeyedman]

:) I just got this board after Christmas and Revision 1.1 came with bios 1.1.
I went on to overclock E6600 without flashing the bios. Well the board' s revision mattered to me more than the bios but I will have to flash the bios when new line of 45 nm processors come out. Anyways, I uped the fsb to 378.
378 X 9 = 3402 mghz vcore was @ 1.3 but It was not prime95 stable.
I ran more tests upping the voltage and It seems like my E6600 is stable @ vcore 1.3750 when running @ 3402 mghz. I wish bios had an option to change NB and SB voltages.
I am running my 2gb crucial ballistix PC8500 at 756 3-3-3-12 @ 2.1 vcore ( low speed cuz i prefer running RAM 1:1 with the processor)

As for the temperature, my room temp is around 75'F right now
and My E6600 running 3402mhz @ 1.375 vcore idling @ 32/33'c
and when under load (prime95 FTT) @ 57'c. I use Zalman 9700 led air cooler.

I am very satisfied with this board overall. price was only 100 bucks after $20MIR so I have no complaints.

[ownage]

:) I just got this board after Christmas and Revision 1.1 came with bios 1.1.
I went on to overclock E6600 without flashing the bios. Well the board' s revision mattered to me more than the bios but I will have to flash the bios when new line of 45 nm processors come out. Anyways, I uped the fsb to 378.
378 X 9 = 3402 mghz vcore was @ 1.3 but It was not prime95 stable.
I ran more tests upping the voltage and It seems like my E6600 is stable @ vcore 1.3750 when running @ 3402 mghz. I wish bios had an option to change NB and SB voltages.
I am running my 2gb crucial ballistix PC8500 at 756 3-3-3-12 @ 2.1 vcore ( low speed cuz i prefer running RAM 1:1 with the processor)

As for the temperature, my room temp is around 75'F right now
and My E6600 running 3402mhz @ 1.375 vcore idling @ 32/33'c
and when under load (prime95 FTT) @ 57'c. I use Zalman 9700 led air cooler.

I am very satisfied with this board overall. price was only 100 bucks after $20MIR so I have no complaints.

This board has NB and SB voltage options :up:

Does someone use MSI Dualcoe center? I can't get it to work.

[sharpeyedman]

Thats Great news. I only had the board in hand for couple days. I must have missed it. Is is available in bios? which version? does bios 1.1 have this option as well? is it under cell menu? I have not installed and used MSI utilities yet such as dualcore

[NickS]

They both ahve it it's called mch voltage iirc.

[sharpeyedman]

it was right undeneath mem voltage i ust didnt know that i could just scroll down. thanks for reminding me :D

[wyemarn]

This board has NB and SB voltage options :up:

Does someone use MSI Dualcoe center? I can't get it to work.

Same with me. Dualcore Center not working. Yup. NB is MCH and SB is SB Core. Default voltage for MCH is 1.25V and SB is 1.05V.

Currently I'm running at FSB 440 with all voltage options in lowest. I don't need to raise chipset voltages till I hit FSB500.

[clon22]

I remembered I downloaded a patch for corecenter somehwere here.
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1754798&page=17
No harm trying. :D

[[LCN]Knowledge]

I'm waiting for mine to arrive X), i guess i will have to throw in my old Pentium 4 in order to upgrade the BIOS to 1.4 or 1.6, Cuzz the E6550 wont work with 1.1 Bios i guess (but I wish it works).

[clon22]

Knowledge;2683909']I'm waiting for mine to arrive X), i guess i will have to throw in my old Pentium 4 in order to upgrade the BIOS to 1.4 or 1.6, Cuzz the E6550 wont work with 1.1 Bios i guess (but I wish it works).
I think it does...
I'm using bios 1.1 but on E4300 and Q6600G0.
You see the 1st pg..
the test was done on E6550 and v1.1...
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1754798

[WSX]

why are these boards shipping with such an early BIOS v1.1, I ordered mine yesterday and if it comes with v1.1 it's going straight back to the etailer
and if they can't or won't flash it I'll look elsewhere, I'm waiting for the wolfdales to arrive, they need BIOS v1.6

are the BIOS chips on P35 Neo2-FR/FIR's soldered on or are they removable, tia

-

[clon22]

Soldered. :)

[naokaji]

Knowledge;2683909']I'm waiting for mine to arrive X), i guess i will have to throw in my old Pentium 4 in order to upgrade the BIOS to 1.4 or 1.6, Cuzz the E6550 wont work with 1.1 Bios i guess (but I wish it works).

it should work out of the box... the fsb, the multi and the voltage required by the e6550 are nothing extraordinary. 1333 fsb, 7 multi and 1,35 vcore. i mean thats all things we have seen from other cpu's as well.

[[LCN]Knowledge]

I think it does...
I'm using bios 1.1 but on E4300 and Q6600G0.
You see the 1st pg..
the test was done on E6550 and v1.1...
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/showthread.php?t=1754798

Oh, i saw that review, but i missed the CPU-Z screenshot showing BIOS V1.1 :D

Thanks!, i guess i wont have problem if the board comes with that BIOS.

[trans am]

I'm thinking of buying this board. Everyone seems to like theirs. I'm replacing my 965s Dark DFI. My board's been really unstable just recently. Is this the King of overclocking boards under $150? or should I wait and get this?

http://www.motherboardpro.com/DFI-LanParty-Dark-P35-T2RS-Socket-775-Motherboard-p-428.html

[sharpeyedman]

I think you cant beat this board priced @ 120 and 100 dollars after main in rebate.

Seems like it doe overclock pretty well since revision 1.1 based on reviews from tomshardware and anandtech.

Well personally I only got to test E6600 dualie and Celeron 420 and It seems like it requires less vcore than my P5N32-E SLI did. Perhaps it is due to vdroop. I do not know about its overclockability on quads since I sold my q6600 NIB and never got to test it.

overall I am quite happy with this board for the price. My favorite budget board since P4C800 which i bought for 110 back in 2005 fall :)

[jon5]

My board came with bios 1.1 and it's all I have used. I had no problem hitting 500 fsb. I've ran e6600 and q6600 with no fuss. Only problem I encountered was running ram @1:1.125 divider. AFAIK, there is not a bios fix for it yet. Not sure why no one likes 1.1...:shrug:

[trans am]

Sold! I should have it in a day or 2. Thanks guys.

[WSX]

1.1 won't work with wolfdales that are due this month, not a problem if you already have an Intel chip, but a big problem if you don't.

[tty]

I'm trying my luck with MSI support team to have a 1:1.1 divider in any of those bioses. I'll let you know if it's possible.

[screwtech02]

Can anyone measure the pwm mosfett cooler mounting hole spacing for me??? I'm currently looking for a waterblock to fit it.....

[trans am]

Any 3:4 mem divisor like latest P5k-E bios? THat would be really sweet!

[tty]

Ya I just asked for more fsm/mem divisors , anything is good just add more.
They asked me why I want more .. doh . I tried to explain .. sort of.
Lets see if they do something about it.

[bonzo_catalin]

Wolfdale works fine with 1,4 bios ? Or 1,6 it's a must ?

[WSX]

I would like to know also, at first MSI website said BIOS v1.4, but now it says v1.6, my board was supposed to arrive today ... it never came!

[Eniqmah]

Any one know if a True extreme will fit with the Platinum version of this board? I'm afraid the circu pipes willnot fit.

[WSX]

I had given up hope, but my board just arrived. Its Rev 1.2, can't tell which BIOS it is but I think it's v1.4 there's a sticker that reads "amibios vb22 104"

[trans am]

Mine came today. I'll let you know what Rev I got as well.
I'm excited to set it up.

[WSX]

when you set up please let us know your bios version, I can't decide whether to buy a cheapish E2*** now or wait for the wolfdales.

[trans am]

no way wait for the wolf. Should be like Jan 20th

[sharpeyedman]

I had given up hope, but my board just arrived. Its Rev 1.2, can't tell which BIOS it is but I think it's v1.4 there's a sticker that reads "amibios vb22 104"

are you sure it is revision 1.2? thought they only had revision 1.1 since august or something.


when you set up please let us know your bios version, I can't decide whether to buy a cheapish E2*** now or wait for the wolfdales.

even though, I have used only bios version 1.1 which the board was shipped with last december. You should be fine with 1.6 for wolfy. People who own this board seem to prefer either 1.1 or 1.6 the most. I really like 1.1 but I will have to flash it to 1.6 when i get one of the wolfies.

[sharpeyedman]

http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodcpusupport&prod_no=1261&maincat_no=1

MSI has recently updated the supported CPU list for P35 Neo2 FR
It seems like 45nm Quad processors such as Q9300, Q9450 and Q9550 are supported as well.

[WSX]

are you sure it is revision 1.2? thought they only had revision 1.1 since august or something.

even though, I have used only bios version 1.1 which the board was shipped with last december. You should be fine with 1.6 for wolfy. People who own this board seem to prefer either 1.1 or 1.6 the most. I really like 1.1 but I will have to flash it to 1.6 when i get one of the wolfies.

The revision is stenciled on the board "MS-7345 VER 1.2"

I dont have an intel chip to update to the BIOS to v1.6. My BIOS is v1.4 it may or may not boot a wolfdale,
I won't know until they're released and people start posting their results.

[ownage]

Coolaler tested an e8500 on this board :D
http://forum.coolaler.com/showpost.php?p=1905700&postcount=3
4700mhz :D, also 9.5x multi with no problem.

[wyemarn]

Rev 1.2 for the board is out. It has been confirmed by MSI Germany forums. Not much difference compared to 1.1. Btw, I tried the new Dual Core Center and it's working.

[sharpeyedman]

Rev 1.2 for the board is out. It has been confirmed by MSI Germany forums. Not much difference compared to 1.1. Btw, I tried the new Dual Core Center and it's working.


I ordered my board after christmas and received Rev. 1.1


well It is proven that revision 1.1 overclocks far better than revision 1.0.
I wonder if revision 1.2 overclocks even better than 1.1 :p

It would be nice if anyone who has rev. 1.2 post some overclocking results.

[wyemarn]

I ordered my board after christmas and received Rev. 1.1


well It is proven that revision 1.1 overclocks far better than revision 1.0.
I wonder if revision 1.2 overclocks even better than 1.1 :p

It would be nice if anyone who has rev. 1.2 post some overclocking results.

Rev 1.1 is definately better than 1.0. More capacitors and the new jumper FSB overclock. Hardware wise 1.2 and 1.1 is almost identical. I don't think 1.2 will overclock much better.

[[LCN]Knowledge]

Mine arrives today, maybe i will test it in the night.

[WSX]

looking at my board it certainly looks well put together, I was looking for any obvious faults and couldn't see any, I even like the heatpipe on this
more than the roller coaster affair on the Platinum, it makes good contact too around the pwm area, northbridge, & southbridge.
... nice product for a decent price.

[sharpeyedman]

looking at my board it certainly looks well put together, I was looking for any obvious faults and couldn't see any, I even like the heatpipe on this
more than the roller coaster affair on the Platinum, it makes good contact too around the pwm area, northbridge, & southbridge.
... nice product for a decent price.

Yeah I do like This heat pipe over the platinum' s. It allows me to install my zalman CNP9700 led cooler any way i want.

As for the looks, I found Crucial BallistixTracer RAM look the best on this board. those LED lights on the mobo matches the on the RAM so nicely.
My friend bought this board along with Tracer and they look so tight. Makes me wanna get one of those tracers.

[ownage]

I don't like the fact that the PWM heatsink is to close to the cpu. I had to push hard to fit my Apogee GT in place, because the PWM heatsink sits in the way.
http://xs123.xs.to/xs123/08020/img_2623257.jpg.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs123&d=08020&f=img_2623257.jpg)

[[LCN]Knowledge]

What can i say?, Installation was smooth!, i didn't have a problem.

-My TT Golden Orb fits well, OCZ Reapers too.
-Came with BIOS v1.1 and supported C2D E6550 out of the box.
-Good options in BIOS.
-Windows XP installation in 15 mins.
-Looks really good, and more with the OCZ reapers
-Manual was crystal clear.

For those of you who attempt to update the BIOS with the Windows Utility provided by MSI, you have to disable something in the BIOS first (i dont remember right now). It is in the manual.

Cons:
-Double booting...
-chassis Intrusion. For god's sake, dont enable this or you will have to push the Clear CMOS button.

[wyemarn]

Knowledge;2696694']What can i say?, Installation was smooth!, i didn't have a problem.

-My TT Golden Orb fits well, OCZ Reapers too.
-Came with BIOS v1.1 and supported C2D E6550 out of the box.
-Good options in BIOS.
-Windows XP installation in 15 mins.
-Looks really good, and more with the OCZ reapers
-Manual was crystal clear.

For those of you who attempt to update the BIOS with the Windows Utility provided by MSI, you have to disable something in the BIOS first (i dont remember right now). It is in the manual.

Cons:
-Double booting...
-chassis Intrusion. For god's sake, dont enable this or you will have to push the Clear CMOS button.

Good to hear that. I suggest you try out Performance BIOS P09 or the latest beta 1.77. Windows installation in 15mins? That's fast..

I hate double booting too. What FSB are you doing now?

[Eniqmah]

Please, Any one cooling this board with a Thermalright True 120 Extreme? I need to know if it fits before I order. Thanks.

[wyemarn]

Please, Any one cooling this board with a Thermalright True 120 Extreme? I need to know if it fits before I order. Thanks.

120 Extreme should fit this since I have tested Ninja with this board. Some tested Infinity with this board.

[Eniqmah]

Great. Thank you for the reply.

[wyemarn]

Great. Thank you for the reply.

http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_page/product_page/cpu/mcl/ultra-120-mcl.htm

Just checked MB compatibility list. Enjoy your true 120!

[[LCN]Knowledge]

wyemarn,

I was benching and testing at default CPU speeds (2.33). Cuzz i was finding max GPU/Mem clock on my card first, I have to re-do my pencil volt mod.

Now i will start cranking up the cpu and memory.

My old pentium 4/board/ddr mem seem like a joke compared to this new RIG.

Edit: the MSI utilities Core Center and Dual Core Center are junks!!!, "Your board is not supported" <== lol

[turtleonviagra]

I just ordered the P35 Neo2-FR, and I am planning to get the E8400 when it releases. I've heard the board comes with BIOS 1.1v, and the Wolfdales are supported since BIOS 1.6v. Here's the problem, will BIOS 1.1v work with the E8400 and atleast boot to allow me to update the BIOS or do I need to have an older cpu in to allow me to update the BIOS before hand....?

[WSX]

Knowledge;2696694']

For those of you who attempt to update the BIOS with the Windows Utility provided by MSI, you have to disable something in the BIOS first (i dont remember right now). It is in the manual.



you have to disable "Boot sector protection" in the bios and also enable "USB legacy support" if your using the MSIHQ tool to flash from a USB stick.

http://pulse50.tripod.com/

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[sharpeyedman]

I just ordered the P35 Neo2-FR, and I am planning to get the E8400 when it releases. I've heard the board comes with BIOS 1.1v, and the Wolfdales are supported since BIOS 1.6v. Here's the problem, will BIOS 1.1v work with the E8400 and atleast boot to allow me to update the BIOS or do I need to have an older cpu in to allow me to update the BIOS before hand....?

Why don't you try getting yourself a retail 65nm Celeron 420 ( C2D architecture based ) for like 38-43 bucks and use that with this board until next black friday sales or wait for the price to drop. Remeber Frys had retail Q6600 for just 189 dollars with free mobo for last black friday. Who knows? Frys might have E8500 or Q9550 at a bargain price then.

You should also be able to do bios upgrades with Celeron 420. If you do get one of those cpu+mobo combo deal @ frys on black friday then you can pair up ur celery with ecs mobo then sell it on ebay :p

Celery 420 @ stock speed of 1.6ghz and should be able to run @ 3ghz overclocked at least on this MSI board

[WSX]

The boards are shipping with different revisions and different BIOS versions, on the german forums a lot of people were getting rev1.2 boards with the v1.4 BIOS this past week.
The one I got 2 days ago was a rev1.2 with a v1.5 BIOS, others are getting rev1.1 BIOS. Officially none of these BIOS support Wolfdales you need BIOS 1.6, but I'm not looking for full Wolfdale support, I just wanna know if my BIOS can boot me into DOS with a wolfie so I can flash it, and according to the Anandtech link below there does seem to be some kind of Wolfdale support from v1.4 and upwards. The only way you'll know for sure is when you, or someone else, buys a Wolfdale and trys to boot it with a BIOS that is lower than v1.6

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138&p=4


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[turtleonviagra]

The boards are shipping with different revisions and different BIOS versions, on the german forums a lot of people were getting rev1.2 boards with the v1.4 BIOS this past week.
The one I got 2 days ago was a rev1.2 with a v1.5 BIOS, others are getting rev1.1 BIOS. Officially none of these BIOS support Wolfdales you need BIOS 1.6, but I'm not looking for full Wolfdale support, I just wanna know if my BIOS can boot me into DOS so I can flash it, and according to the Anandtech link below there does seem to be some kind of support from v1.4 and upwards. The only way you'll know for sure is when you, or someone else, buys a Wolfdale and trys to boot it with a BIOS that is lower than v1.6

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3138&p=4


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I hope what ever revision and BIOS I get will atleast allow me to boot, so I can update the BIOS to v1.6.
Can anybody test this?:rolleyes:

[turtleonviagra]

I just checked again on the MSI website, and it states support for 45nm chips has been since BIOS v1.4.
So, now I just hope I get a Rev 1.2 board.
What is the main difference between rev 1.2 and other revisions? Does it overclock as good?
WSX, how is your Neo2 FR rev 1.2?

[WSX]

if anyone wants to know the BIOS version of their board before hooking it up, there's a small sticker on the actual BIOS chip telling you the BIOS version, you need a magnifier to read it.

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2276/msizz3.jpg
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[wyemarn]

Knowledge;2696774']wyemarn,

I was benching and testing at default CPU speeds (2.33). Cuzz i was finding max GPU/Mem clock on my card first, I have to re-do my pencil volt mod.

Now i will start cranking up the cpu and memory.

My old pentium 4/board/ddr mem seem like a joke compared to this new RIG.

Edit: the MSI utilities Core Center and Dual Core Center are junks!!!, "Your board is not supported" <== lol

Good luck in your overclock. This board should have no problems doing FSB500 and above. I'm doing FSB440 everything on lowest voltage. Try downloading the latest Dual Core Center from MSI's website. The latest version worked for me. Remeber to install .NET Framework 2.0.


I just checked again on the MSI website, and it states support for 45nm chips has been since BIOS v1.4.
So, now I just hope I get a Rev 1.2 board.
What is the main difference between rev 1.2 and other revisions? Does it overclock as good?
WSX, how is your Neo2 FR rev 1.2?

Actually Wolfdale samples have been tested since BIOS 1.4. I suggest you try emailing MSI support to confirm about this. In terms on board layout there is no noticable difference compared to 1.1. Maybe some internal circuit change or etc. 1.1 is a big improvement compared to 1.0. More capacitors, new FSB jumper overclock. I can hit FSB500 and above with 1.1 so I think 1.1 will overclock just as well as 1.2

[WSX]

I won't be building on this board until the wolfdales are released, so can't say how it performs. My board came from komplett.co.uk
and they are definitely shipping rev 1.2 boards with bios version 1.5, and they're the FIR versions.

[[LCN]Knowledge]

I'm having bad temps, 37C Idle at stock clocks/volts, with an after market hs/fan + artic silver 5 + ambient temp = 22C.

I will try BIOS 1.6 to see if i get better temps.

CoreTemp and Dual Core Center show the same temps. Though, Intel Thermal Analysis Tool shows idle temps at 22C lol

[[LCN]Knowledge]

I guess 37 Idle is fine, i have CPU Vcore at 1.35V and NB at 1.45V.
Running prime for 25 mins at 3.2GHZ i get 62C load and a peak of 66C (while priming)

Are these temps good for that speed and voltage?. I would like to go 500FSB to get my memory to run at 1000mhz. Also, notice i'm having zero Vdroop :)

http://www.ivandelrosario.com/prime_3.2ghz.JPG

[Bl4ck^!]

Knowledge;2698543'] Also, notice i'm having zero Vdroop :)
not possible :cool: :p: since it is 4phase power regulator , it has some 0.09v droop in extreme cases , the board has 4 revisions so far :
1.0, 1.1, 1.2 , 1.3 the first one isn't available anymore (becuause it sucked ;]_) rev 1.1 has FSB jumpers on PCB to select the STRAP from 200/266/333 (running 333 strap on mine , better performance after 500Mhz Fsb mark).

[[LCN]Knowledge]

not possible :cool: :p: since it is 4phase power regulator , it has some 0.09v droop in extreme cases , the board has 4 revisions so far :
1.0, 1.1, 1.2 , 1.3 the first one isn't available anymore (becuause it sucked ;]_) rev 1.1 has FSB jumpers on PCB to select the STRAP from 200/266/333 (running 333 strap on mine , better performance after 500Mhz Fsb mark).

Mine is revision 1.1.

I was looking at at CPU-Z and CoreTemp for 25 mins while priming. The Vcore never changed a bit. :D

Edit: Nah, no matter what Vcore i set in BIOS, CPU-Z and CoreTemp always read 1.350, right now i have it a 1.45 in BIOS.

Maybe a Bug in this BIOS... i will need to update to 1.6 after all.

[heikis]

Knowledge;2698588']Mine is revision 1.1.

I was looking at at CPU-Z and CoreTemp for 25 mins while priming. The Vcore never changed a bit. :D

Edit: Nah, no matter what Vcore i set in BIOS, CPU-Z and CoreTemp always read 1.350, right now i have it a 1.45 in BIOS.

Maybe a Bug in this BIOS... i will need to update to 1.6 after all.

coretemp is not supposed to monitor the current Vcore.
and the new CPU-Z 1.43 is not correct about the vcore. i just tried and it shows constant Vcore 1,30V while the CPU-Z 1.42 shows the correct Vcore (jumping up and down)

[[LCN]Knowledge]

Oh i see, that explains it all thanks!.

With Everest CPUID it shows Vcore at 1.39 with some Vdroop. Despite i set it at 1.35 in BIOS.

I cant go higher thatn FSB 460, i will drop the multiplier to find max FSB and max memory OC.

If i have no luck i will try BIOS V1.6

[WSX]

not great results on early retail wolfdales, at least not for this user, so maybe now I won't buy one in the first week until I can see what they really clock like ... reality sux!

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172882

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