MSI P35 Neo2 *First look i think*

[Pete]

MSI teaching overclocking!!! (http://www.msicomputer.com/msiforms2/maxP35.asp)

I just installed a full XP now mods, 2006 Build, no updates!

Only Chipsets, GFX, 2.0 Net fix have been installed

Rig is

E6600 Lapped
X1900XTX CF
GTX>Pa120.3>DDC2 Alphacool res & Top, Yate loon x3
PC+P510w PSU
Cell Shock PC8500 2GB
Dell 2005FPW

This had been sat in customs for 2 weeks judging by dates on packing! Was sent it by a mistery lady called XXXX

Bord has lots and lots of LEDS and very colorfull!

Photos of it in my half assed setup, bench table has been delayed and still unsure on case so Azza (CPC) case it is!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0230.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0231.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0232.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0233.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0234.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/P35-1.jpg

^ Everything in BIOS was loaded at optimised defualts. Under SUPER PI CPU was @ 2.4ghz not whats shown as BIOS controls of Speedstep and Eist and D.O.T Control took over after load passes.

Right on with clocking the beast

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/P35-2.jpg

2nd go, bang in at 400FSB

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/P35-3.jpg

Oh all RAM timings there are by SPD!!! Not one touch yet by me! STD shipping bios too.

Need more cooling, some Vmods to least see whats really going on volt wise

Thats the max i have gotten so far. WC kit need to settle in a bit i think, i need to understand more on what i am doing and defo RAM as i have no idea!

PSU im awaiting a PC+P 750w quad CF cert to come in.
XP i need to make a new benching version, sub 100mb.
PCI GFX card only as will make things a bit faster!

Im happy with it so far, to boot into 400 and 412 out the box is good. My P5W DH Deluxe with mods doesn't at all go past 400 via BIOS.

One feature which i found odd but intresting with the mobo, it will keep trying to boot even if it fails. Im sure this will prove self desructive soon but time will tell.

Right lets find a new BIOS

Anyone eles that wants to help please do.

Pete

[Pete]

Sorry for crapness, new camera is on it's way!

They all change as and when you boot, re-boot, and other things. Probs mean something but i dont care!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0237.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0239.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/IMG_0240.jpg

[Grinch]

cool review...what new camera do you have coming?

[Pete]

cool review...what new camera do you have coming?

Not too bad eh for my first. Just glad i can help here with it!

I have an Olympus E-500 and a ton of kit coming this Saturday if postman is right...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/Olympus1.jpg

All that is mine on Saturday, whoooo. Currently using a Canon Powershot S2 IS thats been flashed and with a UV hood and lens.

Google needs more info on DRR2 RAM timings and the manual does as well, i am so confused. Guess i will have to play with it and see what works and doesn't! Grr

[monza1412]

nice setup you got there :up: congratulations.
Could you show us some memset screenies at 400 with different memory dividers?

[clon22]

Hey, I have this board too.
Using a Q6600 on it now.
Its not bad, not to mention it has some cool lights too.
Cheap too.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=174278

Its a bit messy. :p
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/setup4.jpg

[Grinch]

Not too bad eh for my first. Just glad i can help here with it!

I have an Olympus E-500 and a ton of kit coming this Saturday if postman is right...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/Olympus1.jpg

All that is mine on Saturday, whoooo. Currently using a Canon Powershot S2 IS thats been flashed and with a UV hood and lens.

Google needs more info on DRR2 RAM timings and the manual does as well, i am so confused. Guess i will have to play with it and see what works and doesn't! Grr


gotta love dslr's....:up:

I have a Canon EOS 30D and a Canon Rebel XTI...

if you get bored and want to see some of the pics I have been taking with these 2 cameras go here:
http://www.pbase.com/grinchy247

[nzbleach]

the heatpipes ruin what looks to be a great board.

[Pete]

nice setup you got there :up: congratulations.
Could you show us some memset screenies at 400 with different memory dividers?

I can't find a memset that works. Can ya help?


Hey, I have this board too.
Using a Q6600 on it now.
Its not bad, not to mention it has some cool lights too.
Cheap too.
http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=174278

Its a bit messy. :p[/IMG]

Dude, i will be needing your help.


the heatpipes ruin what looks to be a great board.

Yeah and no, there is an 8 pin thing on there, 2 ports are covered to only use a 4 pin. It's righ under the 2 heatpipes and is a PITA to fit!

[Pete]

I found the new Memset for P35's, seams to be the final build so i shall give it ago inabit as i have things to do. MSI shoow the bord doing 500FSB, i have seen one other doing 479fsb.

We shall see. Might try and see what this multi option really does in bios if it will change it or not hehe

[jarman]

i hear in places that the MSI board is not the best for overclocking?

[Leeghoofd]

That last comment was surely true for the M6N Diamond version, prolly due to bad bios design... I think the regular NEO is not so good at overclocking, this one could rival the P5K vanilla...

Keep us posted Pete

[Pete]

Grr i think i can only update bios via the net which has got to suck, anyone know any differnt time for an update i think

[tormentor22]

nice mobo, but is there any real diff. between the NEO2-FR\FIR and the Platinium version, forget about the circuit pipe and optical audio, i dont really car for the last, but i mean a difference in overclocking capability/ performance and such things..
im going to a new mobo from msi and im confused which is better in performance, since as i noticed that on the mobo pic. at msi site u can read "P35 Platinium" on what is supposed the P35 Neo2, so does that mean they are actually the same layout??

[Pete]

It's way better than my Asus P5W DH so far! 412fsb right in there. I guess it's only bord options on differnt models etc.

The heatpipes could be better and not sure what aftermarkt cooling will replace but it's cheap and does go some.

[Pete]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/P35-4.jpg

Was told this CPU did 3.8 Super PI and alast i have gotten it there! I've still yet to play with timings, thats still set by SPD.

I also did this only 1 X1900XTX in being the master.

Ordering my new PSU tonight 750w should help loads! Finaly they are in the UK

[.devastatioN]

Set CAS manually, SPD timings sucks :P Nice review.

[Pete]

Set CAS manually, SPD timings sucks :P Nice review.

Please read topics and posts. I got no idea what i am doing on RAM timings what so ever!

I also need volt mods as i am not sure how good the bord is at all

[tormentor22]

Well i dont want to go off topic, but this doesnt need a seperate thread...
is the combo such as the platinum combo version as good as the usual version?

[Pete]

Well i dont want to go off topic, but this doesnt need a seperate thread...
is the combo such as the platinum combo version as good as the usual version?

It's a differnt mobo.

Same chipset

Same could be said for all the Asus P5 :banana::banana::banana::banana:! The all the 965, 975 and then X38

[Pete]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/MSI%20P35%20Neo%202/P35-5.jpg

3.9Ghz and 13.000 Super PI

Hitting max of my CPU now. Time to fanny with the multi hehehe

[monza1412]

I was doing some quick benchs just to compare the memset scenario.
This was done with a Asus P5KD. I only adjust the first 4 parameters of the memory, the others were set at AUTO.
The command rate was set to 2T.

This is with Transaction booster DISABLED(relax 0)/Dram Static Read Control DISABLED. (Worst scenario)
http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagenes/previo/thump_13932563800disabled.JPG (http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagen-de-3800disabled-1393256.html)
And this was done with Transaction booster AUTO/Dram Static Read Control AUTO. (Best scenario)
http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagenes/previo/thump_13932993800auto.JPG (http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagen-de-3800auto-1393299.html)


As you see in my best SPD scenario, my performance level is the same as yours, but the others subtimings are to high in your motherboard .
Does MSI give you access to subtimings configuration in bios?


By the way, nice spi... keep pushing :up:

[Pete]

I still have not touched any timings all still by SPD!

Yeah MSI gies me tons of options in BIOS. I will get photos tormrow as now i go bed and sleep all the beer off form the 3 day weekend!

[StealthyFish]

i hear in places that the MSI board is not the best for overclocking?

... well, it depends. I believe the Neo 865P motherboards were kick ass, but then was followed by a disappointing neo 965P which couldn't overclock for crap, and now this :p: .this doesn't look that bad. =)

[clon22]

I still have not touched any timings all still by SPD!

Yeah MSI gies me tons of options in BIOS. I will get photos tormrow as now i go bed and sleep all the beer off form the 3 day weekend!
Yo, Hows it going?
Wow, 3.9.
But i'm on a Q6600 currently.
Memset works for me too. :)

[clon22]

I'm still using the original bios that came with it.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/q6600_1.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/Bios3.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/Bios4.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3734mhz_467x9_1120mhz_4445_3d06_880.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3860mhz_429x9_1072mhz_4438_3d06_885.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3906mhz_434x9_1041mhz_4435_3d05_880.jpg

[clon22]

Pretty decent board I find.
Not much time to play around with it.
Memory timings make quite a difference in my
3D06 cpu score.

[HDCHOPPER]

very hard to beat this board for the buck !

[Pete]

Yeah im doing good, tired. Had to help my boss move house today so didn't really work on the shop floor in my office. Then had to drive all the way down south to get some porjects in for work thats part of my new job role. I just got gomw, 19:41 and normaly i am home at 14:45! Long day but least i have a new company van to rag about and new company car tormrow, perks of my job!

Right PSU i forgot to do, will do latter

Im still on the original bios, MSI are so friking gay you have to be online to do it when my rig aint and wont be for a bit...this is there biggest draw back. T****sers

I think i can pull sub 13 vergin on 12.xx maybe les when i fondel with timings. might try latters we shall see boys

[clon22]

wow! great job you have. (Company car to drive.)
heehee :D
Anyway, i'll do some more benches too.
Update here, hopefully we can share our experience. :)

[Pete]

I got it too boot in the end at 3.9, 444 fsb but it's doggy as hell. Got to be my PSU as it's making some nasty noise at times as well.

Still yet to fondel with RAM timings but i got a 12.XXX super pi but i was unable to get a screen shot.

Need a clock gen/setfsb for the P35 is there one?

I think i will play with the 4 set of timings only and see what happens.

Still running the single card till new PSU arrives

[HDCHOPPER]

eyel stick around just to see what you fondel next !! dont know bout p35 clock gen.... would need to fondel your pll ;)

[Pete]

I've heard there is a set FSB for the P35.

Got some new cooling stuff being sorted now, just build time on it and a new CPU soon, E6850 does 4.1G on water

[clon22]

I found a hidden bios menu.
If you press F4 in the core cell menu,
a power user mode will appear.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser.jpg


Inside the menu :

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/PowerUser_config.jpg


Never really tried it out.
Looks a little complicated to me.
I set the 1st 2 to 0010.
Seems a little more stable to me.

[HDCHOPPER]

skew ?? Wat Is Skew ??

[Pete]

Humm so enter Bios, Cell Menu then just F4...

I Googled MSI Skew and all i saw all the time was . . .


Skew Mode = slower

There is an old English saying as well of
Skew If, if i can remeber back to when my Grandad use to say it i think it ment Flipping heck or something.

It looks like it's soemthing to do with both cores in that screen :banana::banana::banana::banana: as it's listing 0 and 1, if you had a quad in there i guess it might be 0,1,2,3

[Pete]

I'm using the new CPUz that came out today, shows i got a 2T command on RAM yet in BIOS i see no option to chnage to 1T..any ideas?

Oh and i need the beta versio of memset as this 3,3 final aint any use!

[Leeghoofd]

if it's not in the bios try memset via winxp mate but 1T doesn't work on my Asus either (although it's in the bios)

[Pete]

I have no option in Memset 3.3 final...

[superray]

Not too bad eh for my first. Just glad i can help here with it!

I have an Olympus E-500 and a ton of kit coming this Saturday if postman is right...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/Olympus1.jpg

All that is mine on Saturday, whoooo. Currently using a Canon Powershot S2 IS thats been flashed and with a UV hood and lens.

Google needs more info on DRR2 RAM timings and the manual does as well, i am so confused. Guess i will have to play with it and see what works and doesn't! Grr

I'd love to read the review on this one too:D

[clon22]

Humm so enter Bios, Cell Menu then just F4...

I Googled MSI Skew and all i saw all the time was . . .



There is an old English saying as well of , if i can remeber back to when my Grandad use to say it i think it ment Flipping heck or something.

It looks like it's soemthing to do with both cores in that screen :banana::banana::banana::banana: as it's listing 0 and 1, if you had a quad in there i guess it might be 0,1,2,3
hmm, maybe thats why when I change the values,
it becomes more stable.
But the values avaliable are 0,1 even though i'm using a quad.
Oh well, will try more over the weekend.
Down with gastic... arrgghhh... agony....

[clon22]

skew ?? Wat Is Skew ??
Mate, have no idea either. :D

[Pete]

Well i'd defo maxed on CPU, uber volts going in now to get it to 3.9 for super pi, i can get it to 4Ghz in Windows but it dies rapidly and the PSU drops out with a nice big blue spark heheh

F4 menu i've lookd at but not used.

I need that memset you have, please e-mail me it. Address is in my profile and is my msn contact.

[dinos22]

those spi times look good for stock settings you have there Pete

i like the drive strength options ....maybe time to pickup one of these boards :D

[clon22]

Well i'd defo maxed on CPU, uber volts going in now to get it to 3.9 for super pi, i can get it to 4Ghz in Windows but it dies rapidly and the PSU drops out with a nice big blue spark heheh

F4 menu i've lookd at but not used.

I need that memset you have, please e-mail me it. Address is in my profile and is my msn contact.
I've sent you the email.
Hope it works with yours. :)

[Pete]

Andy thanks for the memset, i shall try it tonight when i get home from work!

Dinos22 yeah not too bad at all, did play a little last night and shocking how much of huge chnage timings make!

Need sort new cooling for SB, NB, Mosfets, i checked brefly and i don't think the the EK Asus 3 mosfet fits, soemthing water wise has got too or decent air at least.

NB i think runs cool but i'm already pumping max bios volts into it.

I'd love to upgrade the bios, i think they might give more options

Also i need volts mods, read points more that anything so i can see what the bord is like but i think 1.85v on the NB might allow some huge overclock.,

Max so far i had on my E6600 was 445fsb, i might try with the multi lower again

[clon22]

No prob, I try to email msi see can get any special bios.
heehee.. :D
I've ever email them before for my G33.
They gave me a pretty good bios. :D

[Pete]

No prob, I try to email msi see can get any special bios.
heehee.. :D
I've ever email them before for my G33.
They gave me a pretty good bios. :D

How do you update the bios? I can but will not what so ever put it online. It's benching unit only so a usb flash drive is all i have

[lyzkov]

Hi, I am also owner this mobo.
First, i'm sorry but my english isn't so good because i'm from Poland. :(

I can do with this mobo fsb 550 MHz at multiplier 6x stable in SuperPI 32M. :)
Unfortunately above 520 I have huge performance fall even I set h/w jumper up 333. Everest shows me memory read 31xx MB/s instead about 9xxx MB/s. :/
Only method to gain good performance is to boot from <520 and use SetFSB.
In my case it demands VNB above 1.525v.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/lyzkov/Intel&#37;20Core%202%20Duo/6x550.png

I have stability problems with high Vcore at so high fsb. I think that it's mobo fault. Maybe some NB core vmod could solve this problem?

Did anybody test settings available in power user mode? Does it improve stability or perfomance in superpi/syntetic benchmarks?

[dinos22]

can you guys do 32M runs at 3.6GHz with the best RAM (speed or timings) and largesys cache tweak

[clon22]

Hi, I am also owner this mobo.
First, i'm sorry but my english isn't so good because i'm from Poland. :(

I can do with this mobo fsb 550 MHz at multiplier 6x stable in SuperPI 32M. :)
Unfortunately above 520 I have huge performance fall even I set h/w jumper up 333. Everest shows me memory read 31xx MB/s instead about 9xxx MB/s. :/
Only method to gain good performance is to boot from <520 and use SetFSB.
In my case it demands VNB above 1.525v.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b399/lyzkov/Intel&#37;20Core%202%20Duo/6x550.png

I have stability problems with high Vcore at so high fsb. I think that it's mobo fault. Maybe some NB core vmod could solve this problem?

Did anybody test settings available in power user mode? Does it improve stability or perfomance in superpi/syntetic benchmarks?
Wow, very nice fsb! :D
Can't wait for weekend to come,
I'll go play with mine.

[clon22]

How do you update the bios? I can but will not what so ever put it online. It's benching unit only so a usb flash drive is all i have
I usually use floppy to flash :p

[NightRaven]

hmmm i have a piece here to test too so probably when i;'m done with the benches we can compare scores and see if they are similiar.. or different maybe due to bios etc.

[clon22]

can you guys do 32M runs at 3.6GHz with the best RAM (speed or timings) and largesys cache tweak
Hmm... found my previous one on my E4300.
I dunno how to tweak spi,
only set affinity and realtime thats all.
Tonight i'll try on my 6600. :)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3600mhz_400x9_1000_4438_spi32m.jpg

[jmilcher]

Not too bad eh for my first. Just glad i can help here with it!

I have an Olympus E-500 and a ton of kit coming this Saturday if postman is right...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v604/corsapete/Olympus1.jpg

All that is mine on Saturday, whoooo. Currently using a Canon Powershot S2 IS thats been flashed and with a UV hood and lens.

Google needs more info on DRR2 RAM timings and the manual does as well, i am so confused. Guess i will have to play with it and see what works and doesn't! Grr

Thats a nice camera you wont be disappointed!

[Pete]

I set h/w jumper up 333

Hi dude, so are you setting jumpers to 333 and using the BIOS? What do the jumpers do exactly?


I usually use floppy to flash :p

Sold it! I guess USB flash stick will do...so how do it do it?


Thats a nice camera you wont be disappointed!

It's coming tormrow hopefully, whoo!

E6850 is on it's way too!

[lyzkov]

Jumper change strap (internal chipset timings) for obtaining high fsb. I heard that this helps in overclocking cpu with fsb 266 or 200. Then fsb regulation begins with 333 MHz. In my case (processor with fsb 333) I haven't observed any difference between jumper sat to 200/266/333.

[Pete]

Humm i might have to giver this a go i think before i ship off my 6600 and fit my 6850

[clon22]

The 333mhz jumper setting is juz
underneath your 1st pci-e 16x slot. :)
Thou, I'm not sure about the usb flash part thingy. :p

[clon22]

Jumper change strap (internal chipset timings) for obtaining high fsb. I heard that this helps in overclocking cpu with fsb 266 or 200. Then fsb regulation begins with 333 MHz. In my case (processor with fsb 333) I haven't observed any difference between jumper sat to 200/266/333.
Any 3D bench to share? :D

[Pete]

I just been and got a Asus P5k Deluxe so going to sell this MSI bord now

[Leeghoofd]

Hmm... found my previous one on my E4300.
I dunno how to tweak spi,
only set affinity and realtime thats all.
Tonight i'll try on my 6600. :)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j37/clon22/Sapphire2900xt/3600mhz_400x9_1000_4438_spi32m.jpg

I find that SuperPI time very worrying for me as my E6600 at 3.6 never gets even close too that, not even at 3.8Ghz... :confused: with ram at 900mhz 3-3-3-9 1T on 680i and surely not an a 2Mb cpu

[clon22]

I find that SuperPI time very worrying for me as my E6600 at 3.6 never gets even close too that, not even at 3.8Ghz... :confused: with ram at 900mhz 3-3-3-9 1T on 680i and surely not an a 2Mb cpu
You mean on the 680i or the P35?
I close off all the unwanted programs.
i think there are some amazing tweaks which i dun know how to do.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77530

[Leeghoofd]

I will try those tweaks, never ever was able to reach sub 14 mins with my E6600 (at 3600Mhz) , haven't benched yet on the P35 due to lack of time...either this MSI flies or my boards are sloooooooooooooooooooooooow :rofl:

[heikis]

Is there a way to fix the "double-boot" issue? OC jumpers are set to 333MHz. At stock everything is fine but for example 420FSB and it double-boots. You restart the computer and it turns off, then on for a split second, then off and then ON.
Also when cold booting.

I have the latest 1.6v BIOS isntalled.
Any fixes out there?

[WSX]

Humm so enter Bios, Cell Menu then just F4...

I Googled MSI Skew and all i saw all the time was . . .

Skew Mode = slower

There is an old English saying as well of , if i can remeber back to when my Grandad use to say it i think it ment Flipping heck or something.

It looks like it's soemthing to do with both cores in that screen :banana::banana::banana::banana: as it's listing 0 and 1, if you had a quad in there i guess it might be 0,1,2,3

Skew-whiff is English slang used for describing somthing thats crooked or off-kilter you don't hear it used much anymore

http://www.effingpot.com/slang.shtml

Clock skew is a bit more technical

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock_skew
.

[Pete]

Holly dead topic resirection.

I do miss this bord, all my ASUS bords have been worthy of nothing but the bin!

[WSX]

I resurrected coz I know your dying to know definition of skew-whiff, long time since I heared that term used,
I remember my driving instructor used to tell me my steering was all skew-whiff, but I still passed the driving test
first time, sorry to hear your asus boards also gone skew-whiff :)

[philbrown23]

check it out, this is my first time trying to oc this board and it's on air cooling!