WIP, my V-Twin [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

Jedda

08-26-2007, 04:42 AM

Was fairly happy with AC and my Lian Li V1000 but needed to upgrade cpu and graphics as I do a lot of 3D modeling and other gpu intensive use.
So, I started by adding a 680i board, e6600 cpu and 8800gtx gpu to my existing case.
As this empty interior shows it's a tight little case.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Caseinternal-1.jpg

Took about two weeks to realise it needed WC.
Looking through everyones' builds here, I could see I wanted a quad or similar.
However there was a couple of problems.
Neither MM cases or Lian Li 343 were sold in my country and although a couple of intrepid souls had shipped theirs' in it was a total cost blow out at step one. That was not going to go down well with the little woman, especially as the V1000 was only a couple of months old. Still I figured it could go to her if I found a case to suit me.
The other was that switching AC cooling had shown how much I didn't want to have to strip out half the build and motherboard any time I wanted to change a block. Along with that I was hoping to adequately cool quad cpu, dual gpu and chipset in the future, so two loops with all that entailed was to fit in some how.
The more I looked for WC components, the more a PA120.3 for each loop looked right. So a few more of the usual cases were crossed off the list.
As the first couple of 343B builds appeared I could see it was in essence two Lian Li cases joined together and guys were fitting two big rads. Why not do the same?
If my V1000 was only six inches wider there'd be room for everything I wanted and even a small section at the front for my M-cube set up.
The V-Twin was conceived!
I'm currently trying to make it a reality. A very slow process.

Jedda

08-26-2007, 04:59 AM

First off was getting a second V1000 and stripping it out.
Wasn't too difficult. Just drill out a few rivets and the motherboard plate came out. All the drive cages, fans and front slot covers were removed.
I'd already done some sketchup and photoshop work and knew the stock slots had to go. They don't look great on one case and it was twice as bad with two.
The finished look will be the same hole pattern as the rest of the case.
So there it was a case with a hole. I was committed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/100_1220.jpg

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:03 AM

Strip my first box and tape up the motherboard plate.
Then pop the stripped mobo back in, so I could mark out the block fittings through their holes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/markingcutsres.png

Out with the mobo and in with a hole saw.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/motherboardcutsdrilledres.png

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:07 AM

I use a hole saw for each corner then join the holes with dremel or jig saw (once I found how slow a dremel is and had the first exploding cut-off wheel whistle past my ear). Jig saw rules!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/motherboardcutsfilingres.png

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:13 AM

A little bit of file work to clean up the edges.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/motherboardcutsfiling2res.png

And then cut and fitting some edge mould to neaten everything up and protect against the leads fraying.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Board_side_internal_1238-1.png

You can see I joined cpu and N/B cut out together but this pic doesn't show the S/B holes. The two long slots are for my mobo wire management. The top Grommet is for usb leads.

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:16 AM

Joined up.
Here's how it looks from behind the board.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Rear_Board_side_internal_1236.png

There'll be a rad top and bottom in this half.

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:20 AM

Cut out the top rad twice. First time with a hole saw but after seeing how it looked with individual grills I went to a full hole for the TC grill.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Casefrontempty.3res.png

And had to add a couple of rad hose holes up front.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Casefrontemptyres.png

Jedda

08-26-2007, 05:36 AM

Now that's some skilz. Very nice and great work, keep it coming. Damn that's looking good, front looks really good.

subscribed,

andyc

Thanks Andy.
The front is never going to look as good as the 343 but I think with everything behind that hole pattern it should look integrated.
I have an extra power button, of course, so I'm going to use it to open and close the dvd door. That way I can stealth it into the other mesh.
Wiring, sleeving etc is taking up heaps of time. Just getting rad screws sorted took a week.:shocked:
BTW crap camera batteries, so I'm swapping rechargeables in and out. So the date stamps don't mean anything.

disruptfam

08-26-2007, 06:29 AM

looking good keep us posted

Solarfall

08-26-2007, 06:32 AM

looking good, this is gonna be a great project.. keep the updates coming bro :up:

Anemone

08-26-2007, 07:28 AM

Love this concept, and if I didn't have a 343 it would be a high contender. Could use one of the switches for reset one for power, but don't hit the wrong one :)

More pics! More pics!

Has to be some form of addiction we have watching systems come together :)

Idaho

08-26-2007, 07:31 AM

Movieman

08-26-2007, 07:46 AM

Looks very good and good concept! Hopefully you won't have to move it much after the build though! I wonder how sturdy the joint between the two cases will be once you get the weight of the entire system in there. How are the two cases joined together physically? Did I miss it?

I was thinking this also. Maybe add a 3/16" aluminum plate across the whole bottom riveted in for structural strength..Maybe in some key locations bolts and washers to spread the load and take any stress off of the rivets..
Make it the entire size of the bottom and add your wheels after to tie it all together..

Jedda

08-26-2007, 08:02 AM

Thanks for the responses guys.
So far I'm using the standard side panel mounting holes to bolt them together but I have the axle mounting points underneath if it needs to be strapped together like Movieman suggests. We'll see.
I'm not sure about wheels yet. Two pairs of V-series trucks looks OTT and the wheels domed hubs conflict anyway. I may have a set of 343 castors coming, which would be great as they have brakes too.
I've tried a set of local castors and not been really happy with them. Hope the 343B ones suit it more.

migueld

08-26-2007, 08:20 AM

I like the motherboard backplate mod, very practical, nice work :yepp:

LogAn'sRun

08-26-2007, 08:38 AM

Awesome!! About time you teased us with some pics Jedda. I knew that you've been working on this for a bit with the info I've gathered from some of your posts, great to finally see it irl!!

*waiting to see more* xD

Jedda

08-27-2007, 01:32 AM

Wanted socket head screws for a contrast on the top rad grill, so had to tap the rad holes.

First a quick drill to get 3.3mm for M3 threads. I used the hole offcuts to protect the core.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Radthreadingholedrillres.png

Then the tapping was easy. There's enough room that the tap is turning freely before you get near the core.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/radtap.png

I won't bore you with the fan sleeving. It's been seen enough.
But since it was done already, I decided to do a trial fit as I wanted to see how it was going to look from the front.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Trialfitcasefront2.png

What do you think?
I'm kinda happy with it but might play around a bit more.
The screen is mainly to show the M-cube readings but can do other stuff too. I'm not totally keen on it's look without the hole pattern. Might mount two stealthed dvd's instead.

This camera is garbage. Gotta bite the bullet and finally get a digital slr. Been using my old nikons and hasselblads with film, like a dinosaur. Never have caught up on all my scanning of transparencies. lol

welshtom

08-27-2007, 01:35 AM

drill the holes in the bezel?

also - that case needs some colouring ;)

Jedda

08-27-2007, 02:43 AM

drill the holes in the bezel?

also - that case needs some colouring ;)

Actually that pic is quite puzzling. In the flesh, all the sections look exactly the same colour and finish. They must be reflecting different specularity to the camera's flash, but not to the eye with other light sources.
I can't drill the LCD bezel as the pcb and components extend behind it.
Painting the case has crossed my mind. We'll see. First I want to finish it as silver and black and make it work.
After that I might strip and paint it, if I'm not content with the outcome. It definitely looks better than the pics show. Which is a bit frustrating.:(

AndyM

08-27-2007, 05:13 AM

Now there's a cube! I like it so far, keep 'em coming :up:

Cathar

08-27-2007, 05:37 AM

Read the title, and thought you were talking about one of these (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/a418tq/Spur_25-8-07/IMG_4897e1.jpg).

The case project is shaping up to look good though!

Origin_Unknown

08-27-2007, 05:50 AM

excellent project idea...
keep up the good work :)

i dont understand why people like the 343? maybe its just me that doesnt like it?

tiro_uspsss

08-27-2007, 06:31 AM

*jim carrey voice* ITS ALIVE ITS ALIVE :D

i've been looking out for this WIP Jedda, after u mentioned it in that other thread :D

Read the title, and thought you were talking about one of these (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/a418tq/Spur_25-8-07/IMG_4897e1.jpg).

The case project is shaping up to look good though!

dam that bike is pure sex :D

dnb#

08-27-2007, 08:56 AM

this is going to be an awesome wc setup!
I like the you're thinking about stuff, I had this in mind a few years ago... Seriously nice! keep on going ninja!!!

Jedda

08-30-2007, 07:29 PM

That 1098 is pure sculpture. I'd want one for a glass case in the living room and one to keep for pure freedom blowing out the cob webs at the track.

It's going to be a tight fit but the M-cube system should fit underneath the 'hump'

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Caseinternal_M-cube-1.png

It'll be a BigNg in one side with all the fan control and a Sensor hub and MiniNg in the other half for sensors and pump control. I'm using the front fans to keep it all well cooled.
Here's the MiniNg and fan.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/fanminiNg.png

The MiniNg and Senser hub are so small that even with the rad hoses passing through there should be heaps of room.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/miniNgposition.png

All the gear will be up under here suspended by Velcro.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/miniNgpositionlower.png

I'm sleeving and adjusting all the spaghetti involved which is taking time. Pleasantly surprised by how many choices I have for wire management. This is the easiest case I've ever run leads in. Even with all the temp sensor leads involved in the M-cube install.

Section8

08-30-2007, 08:12 PM

Nice work Jedda.. Keep the pictures coming :)

Osarion

08-30-2007, 08:29 PM

Looks great! Can't wait to see more.

(once I found how slow a dremel is and had the first exploding cut-off wheel whistle past my ear). Jig saw rules!

:rofl: My first exploding cut off wheel went right up my shirt sleeve.

"What's that burning smell? :shocked: It's ME!!!" Next time it'll be a jig saw for me too lol.

disruptfam

09-01-2007, 09:02 AM

very nice

lazy

09-01-2007, 10:42 AM

wow this is an awesome build jedda... keep it coming!

pH(x)

09-03-2007, 11:42 AM

~aoe~

09-08-2007, 11:21 AM

Excellent idea and nice work so far :up:

Will be following your progress with interest. Keep those pics coming.

ANP !!!

09-08-2007, 11:54 AM

Pretty cool work :D.. i really liked it..

cablesguy

09-17-2007, 02:38 AM

looks like u found a nice little niche for the mcubed...the fan will be able to cool it at the same time....:up:

ranker

09-17-2007, 10:09 AM

Way to go Jedda! Looking good so far!

lazy

09-17-2007, 01:40 PM

stop teasing us jedda! updates!

Waterlogged

09-17-2007, 08:35 PM

stop teasing us jedda! updates!

+1

*starts chanting*
Pictures..Pictures..Pictures..Pictures..Pictures.. Pictures..:D

Jedda

09-17-2007, 11:20 PM

I've been OS for a fortnight and thus slack with the updates.
Thanks for the kind words and interest.

With this last bit of soldering, I'm done with sleeving and soldering. So it's all putting components into place after this last connection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/radwireing.png

Bolted the two sections together. Nuts and bolts all round with two straps underneath, using the axle points, for a little extra strength. I agreed with the suggestions earlier that some strapping would help.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/floorplates.png

Now I'm back, we should get a straight go at tossing it all together. So I'll be back with some decent pix of progress asap.

Origin_Unknown

09-18-2007, 01:12 AM

yay, it's back. almost thought you had left us :)

septim

09-18-2007, 03:36 AM

very nice jedda, after all the months talking about bolting together 2 same cases you have finally made it a reality... almost...

more strapping underneath...

*another suggestion, tip over the case (future twin) ala horizon case...*

regarding flying cutoff wheel, just last week there was news article about worker here using grinder 4inch "inferior" cutoff wheel broke apart and flew to his face, making for 1 bloody death...

~aoe~

09-18-2007, 06:58 AM

regarding flying cutoff wheel, just last week there was news article about worker here using grinder 4inch "inferior" cutoff wheel broke apart and flew to his face, making for 1 bloody death...

Urgh...

I got tired of constantly changing those cutoff wheels, so decided to use the reinforced fibreglass ones (426). A bit more costly, but they don't break and fly off - they just wear down and still do a nice job of cutting aluminium :)

lazy

09-18-2007, 07:47 AM

yea updates!! more more!

Jedda

09-19-2007, 06:41 PM

very nice jedda, after all the months talking about bolting together 2 same cases you have finally made it a reality... almost...

more strapping underneath...

Yeah, the straps in the pic are temporary untill the full width pair are finished. All sixteen axle mounting points will be used by them.

So much of the work I've done will be hidden. Very little wiring should show in the end. Still at least I'll know it's all colour matched etc even if nobody else ever sees that. lol
Made a two pin plug for the psu lead for leak testing today.:ROTF: Talk about anal!
Sorting the extra case LCDs to be indicator LCDs for the BigNg and DVD drive.

septim

09-20-2007, 05:10 AM

build in side panel LCD? hehehe

Jedda

09-20-2007, 05:50 AM

One LCD in front and the two extra LEDs is the final layout.

Jedda

09-22-2007, 01:53 AM

Waiting for my floor straps which will also mount the wheels. So did a trial fit of the casters to see how they went and am fairly happy with them.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Assembly.png

Motherboard is in and I'll post some pix of that tomorrow.
Here's the blocks and RAM in place. I've another two sticks to take it to 4GB but will add them later.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Moboblocks.png

I used rubber squares on the chipset and they helped with stability for the two pin MCP block a lot. Got them from PerfPC.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/ProtectiveRubbers_01.jpg

Put the raid drives in and turned them around so all their wiring will be concealed. :up:
Ran into a small prob with two tabs that run along that side. The drives protrude further, reversed, and one tab blocks the upper slot. The other slightly gets in the way of my M-cube wiring. I can get away with having them like this but may bend them up before I'm done. We'll see.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/InternaljoinlowerText.png

Am a bit frustrated atm, as my doc insists I spend at least 14 hours a day with my base over apex. So I can't just finish it all off in one go.
Still, each day I make progress in my allowed time. Wont be long now, until it's running again.

disruptfam

09-22-2007, 01:58 AM

looking very nice jedda looking 4ward for some more update's :)

septim

09-22-2007, 02:56 AM

that mobo sure looks good....

how i wish there was an all-in-one store here in the philippines...

.Logic

09-22-2007, 03:32 AM

:shocked: :shocked:

That it just awesome! I have to admit I love what I am seeing at the moment, keep up the good work and attention to detail, and you will definately have one killer case (not to mention the hardware and cooling inside)

One quick question. How did you know how far down you had/had to tap before hitting the core?

Jedda

09-22-2007, 03:30 PM

One quick question. How did you know how far down you had/had to tap before hitting the core?

The tap bites initially and turns with resistance as it cuts thread. Once the thread is through that resistance eases and you feel the tap run free as it's turning like a screw, no longer cutting.
With the normal size and shape tap you still have quite a bit of clearance at that point, three or four complete rotations.

Thanks for the interest. Although you know guys are looking at it, it's the comments that motivate me to post all the pix and detail.
I'm really happy with how the idea is working out. Normally at this stage in a build things are getting tight for room and routing tube, leads etc. This is where it's paying off big time. Am finding wire management a doddle.
Heaps of room with good options, despite two PA120.3 rads in there!

Jedda

09-22-2007, 03:44 PM

Missed posting this detail of the case join nuts n bolts. These are spaced along three sides with the straps on the floor and are doing the job well.
I used existing side panel mounting holes for most but had to drill a couple extra for strength.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Casejointboltstext.png

Jedda

09-26-2007, 12:46 AM

After a few adjustments the mobo went back in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Mobomountedinternalfront.png

I'm happy with access to the block fittings but increased the MCP holes a bit larger to 3/4" ID as EK use such big screw heads there.
I also made an allowance for how thick corsair's 24-pin lead is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Mobomountedinternalrear.png

Really pleased with how clean of wiring the SATA drives will be, mounted like this. That loop of fan lead will go up to the BigNg and be out of sight. So no wiring will be visible in the lower chamber.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/SATAdrives.png

Playing around with alternatives for the internal usb headers. I can wire the BigNg and LCD screen direct or implace 4 internal usb ports and use two of them.
Have a small metal box and am cutting port holes in that for a neat internal mount. Will decide after I see how it turns out.
Cheers.

ranker

09-26-2007, 03:13 AM

I love how the motherboard cut outs are trimmed. I'll have to remember that for my next build.

Jedda

09-27-2007, 02:36 AM

Playing around with mounting those internal usb ports.
I could shape a bracket for up on the step.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/USBportinternal1.png

Or in a case, further down past the pump area.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/USBportboxinside.png

The cast case is quite soft metal, so I'm drilling starter holes for each port and finishing with a rat tail file.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/USBboxdrilled.png

It should look good and could be polished or painted eventually.
Still undecided what I do with the second I/O area. Additional blanking plates are one possibility. I'm blanking the second PSU opening.
One aim has been to mod so that they could always become separate cases again but that's OK. The original parts can always be screwed back in, even where I've drilled out rivets.
I'll have a 120mm fan mounted, of course but still waiting for inspiration...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Reartext.png

Lastly a pic to show the relative M-cube parts' sizes. They'll be fan cooled and concealed when mounted. So I took this pic to let everyone see how small the Sensor Hub is.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/M-cubesizecomparison.png

Cheers

Jedda

09-27-2007, 02:58 AM

One nice possibility with this case is to use the second side exhaust fan to cool behind the motherboard cpu, mosfet area, one of the hotter zones on a 680i board.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanrearmotherboard.png

septim

09-27-2007, 04:58 AM

well for the radiator compartment pci slots and i/o panel, just seal them up for now.

a few more rads in there could also be a future idea...

Jedda

09-27-2007, 06:49 AM

It has two PA120.3 rads in there atm and, as you say, there's room for a single, still, internally. I've thought I might add that as a third loop for the chip-set if it gets another 8800GTX but I'm happy with the two loops.
Depends on whether I'm forced to sli or not.
But, yeah I'm making up some blanking plates and we'll see how they go. I'd just like to have a creative moment for the area and come up with a killer feature.

disruptfam

09-27-2007, 08:09 AM

hey jedda

looking awesome

where did ya get that rubber moulding from??

cheers

kinghong1970

09-27-2007, 08:19 AM

one of thems lil things you take for granted...till you start modding... :D
i called them the rubber-thingamajiggy-so-you-wont-bleed-thing...

Neoprene Rubber Edge Trim ("C-Strip" Molding) $0.99 (http://www.petrastechshop.com/neruedtrmo.html)

and P-PC got a lot of choices...
(http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=132&zenid=e686cc57fb87d333c3c87850819be631)

Jedda

09-27-2007, 07:19 PM

hey jedda

looking awesome

where did ya get that rubber moulding from??

cheers

Like Kinghong posted, I've sourced from Petra's and PPC but for us Ozians PC Case Gear (http://www.pccasegear.com/prod152.htm) has a good choice.
It works best with radiussed corners. I find my technique of drilling corners with a small hole-saw and joining them by straight jig-saw cuts works well with the trim.
If you need round holes with diameter less than 1" or so, grommets are best.

mcoffey
Thanks for your comments.
That others are interested really helps maintain my motivation to get the updates, pix etc posted.
I'm trying to show it in depth as the idea will work with quite a few cases and there's some real benefits that aren't obvious.
i.e. It provides a channel of room between lower drives and rad that contains and conceals the bulk of it's wiring.
I could see someone doing it with some of the cheaper cases, like Lian-Li's PC-7 or what ever.

tiro_uspsss

09-27-2007, 07:23 PM

ur from OZ?! Awesome!! Which state m8?

Jedda

09-27-2007, 07:32 PM

North coast NSW,

tiro_uspsss

09-27-2007, 07:38 PM

North coast NSW,

doh! now i'll never get to c this in real life @ a LAN or something :(

Waterlogged

09-27-2007, 09:40 PM

Jedda

09-28-2007, 01:01 AM

Jedda, I have to echo mcoffey's statements. This project has given me some ideas similar to what your doing only on a smaller scale (think mATX ;)). One of the better cases I found for my project is the Silverstone TJ08, but I'm still looking. GL and I'm looking forward to future updates.

Thanks mate. :D
I think it could work very well with smaller cases.
Particularly the squarer cornered ones.
Although I am pleased by how the lower chamber works out for me, you could do without that.

Finished internal usb ports idea #1 tonight.
The box worked out nicely.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/USBbox2.png

Can't have those wires chaffing, of course, so grommets for their entry points.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/USBbox4.png

I'll make up an open bracket too, (idea #2) and choose later. There's three or four possible places to put it.
That decision can come after all the WC loops are in and it's apparent where the best option is. It could even go up on one of the rear blanking plates.
Cheers

disruptfam

09-28-2007, 01:10 AM

i bought some rubber trimming from pc case gear is was to thick...

Is this the thinner version?

Jedda

09-28-2007, 01:36 AM

i bought some rubber trimming from pc case gear is was to thick...

Is this the thinner version?

Yeah, it's 3-4 mm thick and 5 mm wide. They call it their 'Fan hole' trim.
Their 'window trim' is much thicker, like a windscreen moulding almost.

In imperial measurements the fan trim is:

* Width: 7/64"
* Height: 5/32"
* Channel Depth: 1/8"
* Channels width: 3/64"

disruptfam

09-28-2007, 02:27 AM

Yeah, it's 3-4 mm thick and 5 mm wide. They call it their 'Fan hole' trim.
Their 'window trim' is much thicker, like a windscreen moulding almost.

In imperial measurements the fan trim is:

* Width: 7/64"
* Height: 5/32"
* Channel Depth: 1/8"
* Channels width: 3/64"

cheers mate

looking forward to your rigs completion...

Looking sik so far

Nate P.

10-06-2007, 08:20 AM

WOW, great work man! Can't wait to see how this turns out!

Jedda

10-06-2007, 09:20 AM

Am so cheesed off I don't have a macro mode digital camera to show small detail.
With a pile of plugs and pins etc I've made up a few leads cut to exactly the right length and I would like to show how they and my custom usb leads were made. Unhappily, my camera won't do the job though.
One detail I can show is this pack of alphacool DDC pump head couplings. They're used to mount in 5 1/4 drive bays, four to a pump.
I'm using them to mount the pumps, two to each pump.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/alphacoolcouplings.jpg

They're great for the job. Discovered they have M4 threads. The same size and thread as I tapped the rad mounting hole threads. So I've tapped threads for each pump's mounting points.
Also some more are on the way and when they arrive will be screwed in underneath the lower rad to provide a rubber stand off vibration insulating mount for the rad.

Had the motherboard back out to measure up MOSFET dimensions for Eddy and the delay was well worth it as EK has now released a block for 680i MOSFETs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Boardandcaliper.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/mosfet_680i1-1.jpg

It's a tight fit indeed.
I'm tempted to put it with my chipset blocks on a third loop with another rad mounted in the unused rear wall.:D
Still I'm telling myself that just cause I can doesn't mean I should. Maybe later?

disruptfam

10-06-2007, 04:05 PM

I'm tempted to put it with my chipset blocks on a third loop with another rad mounted in the unused rear wall.
Still I'm telling myself that just cause I can doesn't mean I should. Maybe later?

exactly what i'm doing...Just waiting on my block's lol I Got a ddc pump top combo @ petra's on the way...buying the pump and top over in the U.S is cheaper than buying just the pump in Aus..I wish i knew that beforehand...

Mcp 355= $135 aud
Radiical pump top= 50aud
total $185

Petra's ddc pump and top combo= $110 aud

:( doh!

Jedda

10-06-2007, 04:32 PM

Yeah, I've mentioned that on Oz OC a few times but have to be careful not to tread on too many toes there. lol

Solarfall

10-06-2007, 05:00 PM

looking good Jedda :toast: i really love the whole concept..

Jedda

10-07-2007, 02:05 AM

Pic of the pump mounts.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Pumpmounts.jpg

disruptfam

10-07-2007, 06:22 AM

starting to come together....

Gonna be awesome when finished,lian li's are soooooooooo sik!!!!

good work jedda!

My block's should ship at the end of the week...

I'm assuming mofset block will be aswell.

Nate P.

10-07-2007, 07:05 AM

YAY! I love this project!

disruptfam

10-18-2007, 08:01 AM

hey jedda

what are the spec's on your rig??? vga ???

Jedda

10-18-2007, 08:24 AM

8800GTX, 4x1GB OCZ 800RAM, Q6600 GO stepping heat machine. It'll probably get a second card shortly once finances recover. lol
I'm getting an update ready. Been awefull quiet here for a bit. I'm running M-cube spaghetti and two loops trying to keep it neat and it takes a while.
I found some sensors for water temp and am tempted to get water in and out on both rads. See what's really happening with those TC rads.
Didn't know D-tek made them but at 10kohm they're perfect for the sensor hub which has 6 extra slots to use.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/dtekprobe.jpg

Really like the chrome sleeved usb cable (lower left) but haven't black sleeved the others yet.
Still have to decide if the third loop goes in or not for a chipset mosfet loop. If so a third Fillport will go beside the others.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/BigNGSensorhub.png

disruptfam

10-18-2007, 08:30 AM

looks good mate

Jedda

10-23-2007, 07:18 AM

Having camera hassles but here's one of both rads in place when I was measuring and cutting tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Radpositions.jpg

disruptfam

10-23-2007, 07:27 AM

coming along nicely...any more pic's???

camera busted ?

cheers

Jedda

10-23-2007, 07:29 AM

Busted, it's screwing the lighting. Looking at replacing it.

I want to screen off the drive tower, so am tinkering with mesh and black plexi to see if I can make a good looking screen that tones in with the rest.

disruptfam

10-23-2007, 07:40 AM

i put mesh over my drive bays today looks good take a pic for ya 2morow...

Also i have to drill into my middle section....I'm going buy a drill this w/e what's that attachment on your drill in the above pic's

cheers mate

Jedda

10-23-2007, 07:51 AM

It's a right angle drive attachement from Brunnings. Gets in to the case where the other wont fit.
Hey, saw nice blue heatshrink in :banana::banana::banana::banana:-Smiths today. All sizes quite cheap.

disruptfam

10-23-2007, 07:59 AM

Reason: Damn these bananas it's the man's name for god's sake. Richard!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:banana::banana::banana::banana: damn :banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana::banana::banana::banana: crap

Jedda

10-23-2007, 08:01 AM

:rofl: :up:

Sabien

10-23-2007, 02:14 PM

wow Jedda this is looking a sweet rig :clap:

JvT

10-23-2007, 03:07 PM

Having camera hassles but here's one of both rads in place when I was measuring and cutting tube.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Radpositions.jpg

I sure do hope that those fans get some more elbow space. That plate just above them needs some modding, but you might already have thought of that :p:

I'm looking forward to see more of your progress :up:

FallenCow

10-24-2007, 01:37 PM

More pics! ..and I love all that sleeving!

voltaire2030

10-31-2007, 06:33 PM

Read the title, and thought you were talking about one of these (http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m179/a418tq/Spur_25-8-07/IMG_4897e1.jpg).

The case project is shaping up to look good though!

Ducati ... Hope you like doing some mechanics or a fat wallet ! I have 2 friends who had 999... Most time spend at the garage then on the tracks or road :D
But I have to admit, I love the sound of Ducati with those Rossi's pipe's ... But I prefer those pipes, like Rossi, on a Yam ;)

Jedda

10-31-2007, 09:03 PM

Sabien
Thanks mate.

JVT
I may put some mesh in cut-outs above the lower rad but there's more space than it looks.

fallencow
Got some detail pics to add tonight.

Voltaire
Rossi, didn't he used to be world champion?
Used to ride a 900SS back in the day, but mine was silver not red like Stoner's.

Although, to give Rossi his due, he's a phenomena on any brand.

Jedda

11-01-2007, 02:49 AM

fallencow mentioned the sleeving so I thought I'd share some of the small details.
I wanted the build to be black and silver so coloured wiring had to be sleeved as many have done.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirst.png

So it's out with anything that'll push in the pins on a 3-pin plug. I have this tool from a cheap sunbeam set.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirstplugoff.png

On with a length of sleeve and two pieces of heat shrink.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/FanvoltfirstSleavebits.png

Push the pins back into a nice black plug and it's done bar a little hot air on the heat shrink.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirstsleaveon.png

Don't really like the coloured wires showing on the fan frame its self and never have. Especially on three fan rads when they show through the grill.
Have an idea for that. Results in a later pic.

Jedda

11-01-2007, 02:59 AM

This fan has an extra fitting included for stepping the voltage down and I wanted to have them available.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/FanvoltfirstTools.png

So I got a hold of some plugs from ACRyan, black of course.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/FanvoltToolopen.png

Pop 'em out with a usual molex pin tool and pop 'em back in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltopenblack.png

Again with the sleeve and heat shrink.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirstplugchangesleeve.png

A little soldering and we have the black at both ends. The peg holds back everything from the hot iron.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirstplugon.png

Jedda

11-01-2007, 03:09 AM

Couldn't put separation heat shrink on the two wires. So used liquid tape.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Fanvoltfirstplugontapesleeve.png

And then I thought :idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Liquidtape.png

Didn't look too bad at all.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Liquidtape2.png

The liquid tape covers the wires with only one coat and looks great close up. When compared with the fan on the right I'm really happy with the outcome.
If I can learn a bit more how this new camera works, might even have focussed pics in future.

Jedda

11-01-2007, 03:11 AM

Such a bad pic of the ram fan with it's new black dress last post.
This one is slightly better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Corsairfan.png

Knocked up a 24-pin jumper plug for leak testing, while I was fiddling around.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/24-pinjumper.png

tiro_uspsss

11-01-2007, 03:17 AM

Such a bad pic of the ram fan with it's new black dress last post.
This one is slightly better.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Corsairfan.png

i reckon it look s waaay better like that (painted) than corsair colours - it looks stealthy :cool:

disruptfam

11-01-2007, 08:01 AM

NICE WORK mate...

I wish i wasn't capped atm takes forever to load pic's :( damn you telstra

step

11-01-2007, 08:27 AM

Poor disruptfam :(

Now I have an urge to do a similar mod with the TJ07's or the V2000's instead. Damn you!

Jedda

11-01-2007, 10:16 AM

Now I have an urge to do a similar mod with the TJ07's or the V2000's instead. Damn you!

Now that would be Xtreme!:up:

Woh, disrupt', capped on the 2nd.
Does that mean capped 'till the end of the month?

Haven't ever been sure if it's better showing the pics this size (800x600) so they're really the thread and tell most of it by themselves or if I should thumbnail them.
Personally I hate linking to pics and tend to only view a few like that. Still it's better for the bandwidth-challenged.

Really like having a black plug on the Corsair ram cooler. Even thought of taking the mobo back out and switching in black fan headers on it, but that'd be crazy. Wouldn't it?
Suppose it would.
Might look good though?
Hmmm...

step

11-01-2007, 11:51 AM

Now that would be Xtreme!:up:
Well after seeing this build and the fact that I already have one, it's an idea that has really grown on me as of late.

Really like having a black plug on the Corsair ram cooler. Even thought of taking the mobo back out and switching in black fan headers on it, but that'd be crazy. Wouldn't it?
Suppose it would.
Might look good though?
Hmmm...Would you still be able to rma a board that has been touched like so? Could always nicko them black? :P

disruptfam

11-01-2007, 04:21 PM

capped until the 6th not 2 bad....

Jedda

11-01-2007, 04:25 PM

Well after seeing this build and the fact that I already have one, it's an idea that has really grown on me as of late.

Would you still be able to rma a board that has been touched like so? Could always nicko them black? :P

That's very similar to how I got started.
When you already have one of the cases, it's not such a big step to add a second. That applies even more in Oz with no 343 or MM quad style cases available.
In a V2000 based version you'd have no hassle putting two triple rads below.
You'd have tremendous choice and flexibility over your layout.
Is your existing case silver or black?

disruptfam

11-01-2007, 04:40 PM

hey jedda mate did ya get my pm from yesterday?

Jedda

11-02-2007, 10:38 PM

Disruptfam
PM answered, mate.

Tiro_uspsss
Actually, the Corsair RAM cooler wasn't painted black. It comes in a black anodised brush finish bedecked in flash Corsair stickers.
RX7borica came up with removing the big blue top sticker and switching the hub stickers while building his MM UFO Horizon.
I just took it a bit further, removing all the stickers, switching to a black plug and hub stickers. It's easy enough to do, looks great and you can store the stickers if you want. A spare anti-static bag makes a good storage solution.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Corsairfan3.png

disruptfam

11-03-2007, 12:27 AM

yeah i did mine the other day... real easy took all the sticker's off won't be using them again.... so storage ain't a issue for me...

(looks some much better without the sticker's)

Nice to hear you got your mofset block mate..

cheers

Jedda

11-05-2007, 04:13 AM

Got the water temp sensors in. Temp in and out on both rads.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Tubingsensors.png

Jedda

11-05-2007, 04:17 AM

Hooked the pumps etc.
If it ever got a third loop I'd put the T-lines over one pump. So the three Fill-ports would each feed the pump below, rather than the current offset.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/TubingFitpumps.png

Conumdrum

11-05-2007, 04:54 AM

This is sooo sweet. I hope to do this someday, have the time and cash to build a second monster comp while keeping my main up and running.

Doin great Jedda! And your setup will last forever, just update the insides. Well until we have warp hole processors. And "Unobtanium" rads.

disruptfam

11-05-2007, 04:56 AM

Looking good... nice to see progress.... only took 20mins to load haha

I like the way you mounted you pump's i will be doing the same with mine :)

Hey jedda can i just use a lighter to heat up the heat shrink onto the sleeving..?

what size sleeving and what size heat shrink will i need to sleeve all my fan's pump's etc

Jedda

11-05-2007, 06:04 AM

Thanks guys:D
I used 1/4 inch or the next up depending on how many wires.
Have used a lighter to shrink but can tell you it's a lousy feeling to melt through the sleeving by accident while doing the heat shrink.:(
Got to be a bit careful using an open flame to do it. Your chick got a hairdryer?

Yeah, it's been a bit slow but I've built two others for relatives while it's been being built.
Gotta finish it 'cause my chick is jonesing for the one I'm using to post.

disruptfam

11-05-2007, 06:08 AM

Jedda

11-06-2007, 03:15 AM

Drive bays but without the BigNg in place yet. It'll go in shortly once leak testing finishes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Drivebays.png

Jedda

11-06-2007, 03:19 AM

The loops atm without MOSFET blocks.
Still sorting backplates and the second MOSFET block.
It'll all look a tad neater once the leads are plugged in. Currently they're all over the place, unplugged, for leak test.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/FirstLoop.png

There's no kinks, it just looks that way in this pic.

disruptfam

11-06-2007, 06:40 AM

looks real good mate...what tubing are you using??

looks real neat imo...

very nice work on routing the tubing... real clean!

Jedda

11-06-2007, 07:26 AM

Tubing is 7/16" Tygon B44-3. It's the food grade one they do. Recker turned me on to the stuff as it stays clear and has no leaching. Couldn't find it in Oz. Even the local company didn't know where it sold retail. Had to get Sidewinder to send it over.
Bit of a pity its so hard to get.

disruptfam

11-06-2007, 07:39 AM

do you find you ram fan noisy?? i was playing with it today and it give's off a buzzing noise 1 fan was louder than the other two...Sounded like it was hitting something... i shaved some of the inside of the noisy fan with a razor blade seems to be a bit better but still get that weird noise any idea's?

cheers

Jedda

11-06-2007, 05:23 PM

It's quieter than the OCZ cooler but all the little fans seem to be a bit of a pain. I have the Corsair turned down a fair bit.

Aldy402

11-07-2007, 01:30 PM

For some weird reason, they get more quieter as you run them. As weird/dumb as it sounds. It's like they need a burn in period to quiet them down...

Jedda

11-07-2007, 01:41 PM

For some weird reason, they get more quieter as you run them. As weird/dumb as it sounds. It's like they need a burn in period to quiet them down...

Quite likely!
One discovery of Cathar's 120mm fan testing was the need for a run in period.

disruptfam

11-07-2007, 05:24 PM

how the leak test go mate... good??

I was wondering when i fill my loop up can i run it as distilled water and pt_nuke and and leave it clear to see what it looks like and add dye later,into the loop??

cheers

Jedda

11-07-2007, 10:53 PM

Well as much as I'd like to look good the truth is I had a leak.
Investigation reveals the GPU block o-ring had jumped its groove while assembling. One downside to the acetal backs is you can't see if that's happened.
I think the o-ring will be OK. It was pinched where it exited and re-entered the groove but not badly enough to demand replacement.
Looking at it side on the two pinched bits still stand proud of the groove. So it should still seal. Fingers crossed for test #2 later tonight. lol
Eddy says the second MOSFET block is due next week, so I'll get a spare o-ring sent too.

I don't see any problem with adding the dye later bit by bit. Don't think I'd want to dump a loops worth of concentrate into the res with some brands but a little at a time should get it dissolved evenly through your solution.

disruptfam

11-08-2007, 07:28 AM

Jedda

11-08-2007, 04:20 PM

Very little. I pulled the vid card and front drives, dried them off and drowned with electronic cleaner. Should be OK

Jedda

11-13-2007, 03:54 AM

OK, cleaned and dried everything.
Refilled and try again.
Am happy to report both loops have passed the leak test. Ran 24 hours to scavenge the last tiny micro-bubbles, as T-lines take a fair bit longer to collect all the air.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Leaktestmoboside.png

Have to say, I'm amazed by how quiet the pumps are.
I'm in a rural village with no traffic noise, and at midnight things are pretty quiet around here. The only way to tell the pumps were running was to feel for PSU fan air!
Turning the psu on or off let you see the water surge in the T-lines as the pumps start or stop but otherwise they're silent.
With two DDC2's I screwed my PTS heads down very gently and that may have some effect. I was a bit concerned it might be too loose but after a 48 hour run there's no sign of leaking.
Mounted as they are seems to keep them running cool, slightly warm to the touch underneath. Might have to put a corner suport in on one of them though as tube pressure is canting one over a bit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Leaktestpumpside2.png

I'll connect everything up and boot it tomorrow.
I'm still waiting for the second EK MOSFET block and wont add the first 'till it arrives. that gives me some time to evaluate these loops and decide on the final layout.
I have everything for a third loop on hand, using a PA120.0 on the rear exhaust fan rear half. However its really only justified if I put SLI on the second loop. For the moment it'll be driving two 20" monitors so SLI isn't really necessary.
Decisions decisions...

disruptfam

11-13-2007, 06:48 AM

awesome... i like how you went with 2 blue loop's.... More update's!!!

Hey mate... where could i neoprene... from???

Jedda

11-13-2007, 07:58 AM

Is there a Clark Rubber near you?

I've got it from them in the past. There's a craft place near me where I'm getting the stick on neoprene for the backboards. Coming along. Haven't rushed 'cause I figure theres time to get two sets organised before EK MOSFET 680-2 arrives.

disruptfam

11-13-2007, 08:03 AM

cheers mate...

How thick will the backplate be ??? 2,3mm??

Jedda

11-13-2007, 08:12 AM

First go will be 2mm. Should be OK with the light forces involved.
I have all the socket and block dimensions so its really just down to how loose to make the hole dia to allow for manufacturing variation. Getting some screws the right length should be OK too.

disruptfam

11-13-2007, 08:23 AM

Jedda

11-13-2007, 08:44 AM

Its just the Inno3D GF 8800GTX PCI-E 768MB 575/1800MHz.
I went for the lower cost figuring I'd either buy two or resell. Turns out a nice card.
Swapped out its end plate for a single slot plate when I took the AC off. Helps a little with access.

So much wiring to run around with the M-cube stuff.
8 Sensors before I even start on the mobo!
Keeping track of it all is getting challenging. lol

disruptfam

11-13-2007, 07:03 PM

look 4ward to more updates mate

Jedda

11-13-2007, 09:12 PM

Poor quality pic but it does show the GPU single end plate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/GPUendplate.png

Jedda

11-14-2007, 03:25 PM

A pic of the single 8800 end plate for anyone interested.
Very easy to knock up or you can pick one up from PerfPC.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/8800-PCI-Bracket_01.jpg

Jedda

11-16-2007, 07:45 PM

Very happy with the result of a trial boot.
It works, it works:up:
Just have to finish wiring up all the sensors.
The hub has water temp in and out on both rads, with air temp in on both as well. Air temp out is on the Bigng itself.
Had to separate the case ribbon cable to set up its mechanical shut down. If any temp goes high it presses the on off switch. Woot!
Lotsa wiring though.

Check out the leads off the hub!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Sensorhubinstall2.png

They'll all tidy up easily though.
Just the Bigng to go with another four analogue and a bunch of digital sensors to run and its up and running.

disruptfam

11-16-2007, 09:55 PM

awesome!!!!!!

Getting close to finishing that beast!!! :)

Jedda

11-16-2007, 11:43 PM

Looking forward to it. With the doc's orders keeping the time free to work on it restricted, the build has taken far too long.
Some up-side though. The little details have been all thought out.
I split the second front case lead up so its LEDs could be used for M-cube and DVD drive status.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Ribbonlead.png

The second case on/off switch will open and close the stealthed DVD drive ultimately. There's a few small detailed mods to finish off after its running.

.Logic

11-16-2007, 11:51 PM

disruptfam

11-17-2007, 12:15 AM

Brilliant work so far, awesome cable management (especially considering all the temp probes etc)! It must be nice knowing what you have is totally unique :up:

Quick question for you; What was the shipping cost for the EK8800 block? I can't imagine it was overly expensive?

depends where you get it from....

Flabbergast.com.au (aussie site based in sydney) now stock's ek blocks including the ek fc 8800gtx block acetal top...

http://www.flabbergast.com.au/ek-fc8800-gtx-ultra-acetal.html

So maybe $10 postage.. to you :) If you want one from them i would hurry as they have limited stock

hope that helps..

Jedda

11-17-2007, 03:19 AM

.Logic
For 4 blocks shipping from EK direct was $30Au. There was a Slovenian tax too that was 20% on the blocks cost.
Eddy is very helpfull but delivery is slow. If you can source from flabbergast or PTS, do so.

Thanks for the kind words.
Its been quite a job running all the M-cube internal usb connections and 14 separate temp sensors. lol Am I crazy? Certainly Xtreme.
So far I haven't seen anyone show detailed pics of their M-cube layout. So I'm hoping to add a bunch of pics of it all soon. Now I have a macro mode camera available it will be possible to get the close ups needed.
I'm no great thorough tester like some of the guys but I've always wanted to know what's going on in detail and the result of changes made. I finally get to have that with this build.
Good to be confidant of a shutdown if any temps go over spec while its unattended or I'm not paying attention.
Ultimately there'll be another 8800gtx and a hardware raid card with more drives added, because its main task is 3D modeling and graphic work. So it'll be nice to feel confidant the loops are secure.
If a DDC does cark on me, that'll be all I lose.

septim

11-17-2007, 08:58 PM

very nice updates jedda. keep em coming.

good job on the wiring.

Jedda

11-18-2007, 07:09 AM

With the top rad and tubes so far forward there's not a lot of room in the left front at the top

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Tubingsensors.png

But that's OK, because we don't need a lot of room.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/LCDinstalled.png

It'll mainly display M-cube and Everest readings.
I've never used one before and it might be little used after the novelty wears off. We'll see? :shrug:
It was a Chilled PC Oz demonstrater and thus very inexpensive, so I thought, "why not?" It hooks up to an internal usb port and can display a bunch of stuff.

Septim,
Thanks for posting. Its nice to see what folks think.
I've been a bit obsessed with getting the wiring neat. Just hate multi coloured tangle. Its nice to have sleeving and plugs all match up. Take a little time to get it right. Otherwise I'd always regret I didn't.

shazza

11-18-2007, 09:35 AM

I like the LCD and all of your attention to detail. Nice Job!

disruptfam

11-18-2007, 04:12 PM

i was thinking of getting one of them lcd displays ahwile back..but was way to expensive for my taste's..glad to see you got one cheap mate!!! :)

looks nice!!!

Jedda

11-19-2007, 01:45 AM

Shazza
Thanks. All the detail is soaking up time though.
Onward with the wiring.
Got the Bigng hooked up

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Bignginstall3.png

And tucked up into its possie, or nearly in position. It'll be a couple of inches further in when done. I've kept it out a bit for access during break in. Like the sensor hub, theres a bit of wire placement to finish off.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Bignginstall2.png

Getting there!

Xilikon

11-19-2007, 05:12 AM

Great lcd and control setup here...

I will go this way with my project as well (phase 2) with a Aquaero VFD display and DDC pump controller and Aquaero relay to shutdown on determined parameters. it's 300$ already so I'm shopping to find cheaper prices or find used from someone else who are tired of watercooling.

septim

11-19-2007, 07:00 AM

just my personnal oppinion, maybe you should have gone color coded with your connectors. it could have save you some time pluging which to which...

but anyway, i will wait for some more pictures, you have an A for effort...

and i like the BigNG stuff, hopefully come next year i may have some budget for PC upgrade...

Jedda

11-19-2007, 08:32 AM

Septim
Colour coding has merit but I decided early on to stick as close as I could to black and silver for everything.
Most wiring isn't hard to keep track of but in a couple of places I used chrome sleeving to make sure of a difficult lead. If you look at the Bigng pic above, its USB lead is one I chrome sleeved.

Now its going in I've got the M-cube stuff sussed and think the Bigng and Sensor Hub is good value. Its very configurable and should last for years. Hell you could even put a sensor on your DDC base set for a shut down at your choice of temp, if you're really paranoid. lol
I really like having a few extra digital sensors so I can investigate ram, mosfet, airflow etc or any other area to see exactly what is happening. Beats the hell out of guessing.

Xilikon
I looked at M-cube, Crystalfontz, Matrix Orbital, Aquaero etc but am happy with this choice. I haven't used a MiniNg to control each DDC but could've. In the end it would've been unrewarding balanced against the extra complexity.
I might change my mind in the future. I know Recker did that and likes it for his build.

Just how or if, I use the two side exhaust fans is one thing the sensors will help me decide. The second side one could give a good airflow onto the back of the mobo and the first can exhaust my GPU area. Whether using them is worthwhile should be interesting to discover and where having the number of sensors pays off..

Jedda

11-20-2007, 04:24 AM

i was thinking of getting one of them lcd displays ahwile back..but was way to expensive for my taste's..glad to see you got one cheap mate!!! :)

looks nice!!!

Yeah, I lucked out there.
Its an Alphacool LCD hooked up by usb and can run a whole bunch of apps.
At the time, the one thing I didn't like about the M-cube was its lack of a display, like Matrix Orbital and others. Chilled were stripping their showroom demonstrator, so I took the chance.
Now I'm more familiar with using the BigNg, the LCD doesn't seem as important and there's other places the money would be better spent if you were paying full price.
Quite pleased with the loop colour. Sort of gun metal blue/grey against the silver and black.
So many of the pics don't really show how it is in the flesh. In this pic of the top rad air out sensor the grill looks black, instead of silver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Sensortoprad1.png

And this close up of the analogue tip, which will be concealed behind the Thermochill lettering plaque, shows the grill as even blacker!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Sensortoprad2.png

You don't see any of that copper colour either. Going to have to hone my Photoshop skills a bit more it seems.

septim

11-20-2007, 05:31 AM

it sort of looks like dust on your grills...

picture is a little too close up and with flash? try without flash?

Jedda

11-20-2007, 06:15 AM

Yeah it does but I think its noise.
You're probably right about the flash though. Might do a series of test pics to get a better grasp of how this camera behaves. Its new and all my experience is with film or cgi images. This digital photography is a murky hole in the middle of my knowledge field.

Jedda

11-24-2007, 04:52 PM

Crud!
Looks like my M-cube Sensor Hub was DOA.
The connection LED stays off what ever I do.
Have been over all connections and there's no reason it shouldn't be waking up but it isn't.
So I've had to disconnect the on/off button wiring. Will run it with just the BigNg until the replacement arrives.

Apart from that the box is up and running. Am busy loading soft' atm.
Will post some pics once its in its final possie, with all the periferals connected.

Have such a hang over today. Last night was a big one.
My faith in the Oz electorate was restored.

hobo man

11-26-2007, 04:40 AM

This was sooo worth following your link on ocau :)

Nice job mate, looks stock, could you hot glue the temp sensor to the base of the radgrill? i just have a funny feeling it will wave around when you move it lol.

Which leads to my next q? how heavy is it?

Jedda

11-26-2007, 07:36 AM

Thanks, glad you like it.
The pic was just to show the sensor. Its held under the grill by see-through double sided tape but hot glue would work well too.
I'm still at the point where sensors are being moved around as I chase down the airflow patterns and look for hot spots.
Hopefully I'll have something to post on temps and sensor feedback in a few days. The replacement Sensor Hub should be here then.

Its not as heavy as one might think. The V-series range of cases are strong where needed but designed with light well perforated aluminium throughout.
I can lift it in two hands to rotate, tilt around, etc for filling.. Its a one man job to carry it from room to room.
Must get it onto some scales and get an accurate number.

I can say, its a joy to work in, now its together. Easily the most accessible box I've ever had my hands in.
Adjusting, remounting, tuning etc, you can get at everything without having to take out components in the way.
I've had to do a bit of tinkering with the M-cube connections as the S/H was DOA and the BigNg didn't want to connect to the onboard usb headers through the extension lead I used. It was OK once connected directly. That took re-routing the usb lead through the innermost sections but even that wasn't hard to get at.
The LCD screen was OK with its usb header extension. So I still want to understand why its OK for one usb device but not the other. I'll have more to say on that in a M-cube round-up once the new S/H arrives.
Cheers

disruptfam

11-26-2007, 02:37 PM

*waits For Final Pic's And Temps* :)

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

Jedda

11-30-2007, 04:15 AM

*waits For Final Pic's And Temps* :)

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

and waits for rad bolts too, eh?
Strewth they've taken a long time! Was kinda hoping you'd have them for the weekend.

The replacement sensor hub arrived today. Swapped it in and was very happy to see its LED light up.
Woot! :up:

Rad fans have been running at 100% while waiting for the second S/H and can be heard running. Keeping everything cool though. Haven't seen a temp over 38° so far!
Now I can turn them down a bit as the M-cube curve settings get sorted.
Finding the daisy-chain digital sensor layout more convenient than I expected.
Ran a digital off the S/H bus to use in that side of the case.

bogg

11-30-2007, 04:45 AM

Finding the daisy-chain digital sensor layout more convenient than I expected.
Ran a digital off the S/H bus to use in that side of the case.

I didn't realise you could run digital off the s/h, are you plugging it in under the usb? So you're able to run 2 digitals, one from the bigng, one from the analogue sensorhub.

Jedda

11-30-2007, 04:53 AM

You daisy-chain them from the BigNg bus and the hub can be just one link in the chain.
I have digital 0, 1, 2, 3 off one bus on the Bigng and the other bus to the sensor hub. Then tonight I added digital 6 and 7 to the hub second bus.
I have the digital expansion add-on, of extra digital sensors, and now I know it can be run like this will be rerouting and using most of them.

bogg

11-30-2007, 05:05 AM

disruptfam

11-30-2007, 05:19 AM

any updated pics and temps there jedda?? I've been hanging out for it :)

lol

Jedda

11-30-2007, 04:31 PM

I get it now, i think :) Without the digital expasion add-on i can't daisy chain the digital sensors, but i can run -
BigNg - Bus 1 - digital 1 - Bus2 - Sensorhub
Sensorhub - Bus 1 - BigNG - Bus 2 - digtal 2

I didn't actually notice the sensorhub had 2 busses ;) and the instructions never mentined pluggin in a digital sensor, and now it's hidden away at the back of my case and a bit inconvienient to access.

Yeah, unless you pick up on this one pic that gave me the idea.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Sensorchain.png

The digital extension includes some 4-way connections and leads to join them. Really, the Sensor hub just plugs in like one of the 4-ways. It doesn't have to be direct off the T-ban.

They really need a re-write of the docs. Not too clear and slightly out of date, imho.

Loaded up my 3D apps and I'm in heaven!
I've wanted a box that'd drive XSI and modo like this for ages.
A render that took 3 hours on my old box went through in seven and a half minutes last night! Love that quad.

Jedda

12-01-2007, 02:26 PM

Just when you think its finished you stumble across someone else's work...

What about a 7" TFT?
Hmmmm...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Nightcrawlers7inTFT.jpg

Not only has NightCrawler got th 7" in there, he's got Everest values displaying in Samurize, which plays nicely with Nav2!
Very tempting.
Maybe stage #2?

Xilikon

12-01-2007, 03:25 PM

:eek2:

Very very tempting for me as well for my own project...

Jedda

12-16-2007, 02:57 AM

Been away for a fortnight so no progress or pix, sorry.

I'm having an issue with my monitor blacking out intermittently. Its a Samsung 204B atm and I'm not sure what's causing it. Hooked up another monitor and lead today to find it worked OK. Big sigh of relief its not the 8800gtx or psu at fault.
Have another 204B on the way. A dual screen set up for my 3D work was always the plan. So that'll give me another lead and monitor to swap in and out. Should help suss what's causing the screen drop outs.
I'm hoping I don't have to bugga around RMAing the monitor.

Was talking to Urlo, the M-cube software guy, today. He said he'll have time over xmas to upgrade Nav2. Amongst the mods is support for Everest. So we'll have all the everest readings as possible M-cube inputs. CPU, GPU, N/B, S/B, RAM etc will all be able to input as channel control.
Everest has the most accurate temps I know of.

w!ldkat

12-16-2007, 08:28 AM

dude...gorgeous build! :clap: Shabby news about the monitor though, hope you get it sorted ok! I like the sensor idea on the grill, might do something along those lines on my external rig.. maybe one for air temp and one for liquid temp? Keep it coming though.. :up:

I got one of those Alphacools too but that 7" tft looks freakin wicked :eek:

=WK=

Jedda

12-16-2007, 10:42 AM

Hey thanks mate.
Its nice to hear what folks think of it.
That TFT idea is really tempting. I'm researching it atm and will post what I find out.
Have a couple of things to slowly develop before its really finished but want to use it, so it'll probably never really be finished completely.
I have air and water temps in and out of the rads atm to find out exactly what's going on but its a bit too much for a long term set up. One of the good things about the M-cube is how easy switching sensors in and out is.

Jedda

12-18-2007, 03:09 AM

Monitor fixed!
Woot!!
Picked up a spare lead after sussing all possibilities,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/DVIplugtypes.jpg

Thought it might be a timing issue too, so I set a custom profile in the nvidia control panel.
Which ever it was, after 2 hours I'm seeing nothing but good picture.

Now comes a whole bunch of moving TVs, furniture and computers around to get the V-twin into my OPs area and this one I'm posting with out to my lady's desk.
She doesn't know yet that I've designs on her TV support table. Its square and exactly the right height and size to suit keeping the V-twin at a good accessible height.
So I have to make room for TV #2 somewhere. Move it there and then shift TV #1 to TV #2's support unit. Once thats done I can knock off the square table for myself, then drag her TV #1 and support back to its old position.
I'm wondering if I'll get away with it all without her clueing in on my cunning plan?
I'm counting on her being so happy with her new 19" monitor, that she doesn't notice mine has sprouted a second 20.1"

Still thinking about side panels.
I have spares and a windowed one like this-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/PCV-1000_Window_t_LRG.jpg

Not sure if a full window, like this -

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/V1000-BOW_t_02_LRG.jpg

might be better, or if I should use mesh or cut out a pattern. I'll try the ones I've got already out and post a pic or two.
Kind of attracted to a distinctive cut out but don't have a personalised motive or such to use. Might stick with what ever provides the best airflow.
We'll see.

septim

12-18-2007, 04:49 AM

the case already has too much holes in it for my liking...
i would like to have proper intake (front) and exhaust sides (top and back),
(just so i'd know that air is coming into and out off my case...)

maybe a closed sidepanel on the left rad side,
and half window on right mobo side?

Jedda

12-18-2007, 06:01 AM

It has two 120mm intaking in the front with the possibility of another in the unused drive bays, as well as two 120mm exhausting to the rear.
I have the V1000+ side gpu area adjustable exhaust 120 mm fans to use if wanted. Its kind of cooling overkill, but I could exhaust from the gpu zone through a side panel mesh with one. Theres an option to intake cold air into the back of the mobo with the other, too.
This thing is SO cooled!

I'm thinking like you though. Closed on the rad side and the smaller window on the mobo side.
Still I've got time to tinker and decide. Right now its such a grin maker to use. I'm almost tempted to pull out my old cougar hotas and pedals and take to the skies again with it, but I'm enjoying pushing bulk pixels around making my 3D models.
Its still flying with high density meshes that bring this box to its knees.

septim

12-18-2007, 06:23 AM

yep a little too airy for my taste, hehehe...

can't decide what to do with my xaser3 case. right now it waiting for some alum solid panels front and back, to be drilled/jigsawed with 2 120mm holes each...
it started with 7 80mm to 4 120mm, next reincarnation with new paint would be 6 120mm fans.

disruptfam

12-18-2007, 06:32 AM

Jedda

12-18-2007, 06:47 AM

I think most guys buy them online from the states.
One of the OCAU guys MWP works, in Oz, for CrystalFontz (http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/index-usb.html) as a programmer, and he's just about convinced me they're as good as Matrix Orbital. Both have fan control as well as temp and LCD.
You might get a nibble if you post in Wanted at OCAU. Could save some $.

disruptfam

12-18-2007, 06:59 AM

good idea cheers mate

Jedda

12-18-2007, 07:24 AM

Oops, I was wrong. Dominion Electronics (http://www.dominion.net.au/index.php?ti=126&a=6) in Artarmon, about a block up from my first ever full time job (my last ever working for others too) sell them, apparently. Don't know how the prices compare or if they really hold stock, not just order from the states themselves, or what.

Jedda

12-20-2007, 07:04 AM

Hmmm, not happy Jan!
Seems my replacement sensor hub has a couple of non-working analogue sensor connections. :(
Playing around with them tonight, trying out the type of alphacool plug temp sensors Ranker thought didn't work with the M-cube controller. At first I thought he was correct but discovered they worked on another connection point and that no sensor worked on two of my sensor hub analogue connections.
I wonder if he had a dead connection or two as well?

So good news is these work with the M-cube

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/Alphacooltempsensor.jpg

Which is great because they go well with EK reservoirs.
but the bad news is I need yet another sensor hub.:mad:

Jedda

12-24-2007, 07:58 PM

Santa wants to fit 8 500GB drives in my box.
Mrs Claus has found a raid card and 8 matching seagates still under warranty for a very good price. So the elves are haggling as we speak.
I figure a spare X23A drive bay exspansion module I have will take 3 of them in the mobo side front bays.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/EX-23NA_01.jpg

Theres room for the rest in the cages.
Woot!
I could have more terra than an outback grazier.

RAW-Raptor22

12-24-2007, 10:03 PM

septim

12-25-2007, 02:46 AM

the x23 expansion looks good, only downside is the use of smaller than 120mm fan. why not get x34 expansion, 2 of those could fit your 4TB HDs...

Jedda

12-25-2007, 03:25 AM

I have the EX-33A which matches the V series hole pattern and takes 120 mm fan. So I'll decide for sure when/if Santa comes through with card and drives.
Ho ho ho!
How I stealth the DVD drive eventually will factor in the choice, as that'd leave one other drive slot unused. I've been playing around swapping back and forth with the front bay fittings for ages, trying for the best. Got one of each module right at the start.
The small Lian Li plaques look 'tinny' up close and I want to not have that. Still have to see if the plate will come off without leaving marks behind.

Jedda

12-25-2007, 08:52 PM

Time for the big swap around.
Every bit of IT equipment in my little world has to be moved around as I switch the V-Twin into my ops area. lol Just the furniture moving involved is daunting enough without all the components too. There's so little spare room, I can only move one thing at a time. That then makes space to move another bit.
If I vanish off line for a while you'll know I've had probs.
If everything goes to plan, though, I hope to get a few pics up of the result.
Wish me luck.

Patriote

12-25-2007, 09:12 PM

Hey Jedda! I just went through the whole thread and OMG! I am impressed! Those 2 cases screwed together looks great! :D Well done! :)

Waterlogged

12-25-2007, 09:55 PM

septim

12-26-2007, 04:14 AM

8hours should be plenty time to move around some furnitures... hehehe

smee

12-28-2007, 05:19 PM

Um Jedda... updates?
Is there a problem?
Well I've got a problem, I'm impatient and I need updates! NOW!!!!!
Please? :rofl: :ROTF:
Pretty please? :up:

Ugh, to much chocolate today... :shakes:

disruptfam

12-28-2007, 07:27 PM

man i wish i could fit so many hd's in my case!!!

im very jeoulous

pattherat111

12-28-2007, 07:51 PM

disruptfam

12-28-2007, 07:59 PM

yes he does :)

pattherat111

12-28-2007, 08:02 PM

yer thats good few more aussies rouns here

~aoe~

12-29-2007, 01:47 AM

Maybe he's boxed himself into a corner and cannot escape. Should we send in a search party ? :D

Jedda

12-29-2007, 02:21 AM

Yep, with Cathar, Little River etc Oz has been in LC since day #1.

Took a bit of reconnecting but its up and going in dual screen glory!
I've been busy sussing out a dual wallpaper that looks OK in a pic. Surprising how difficult getting the lighting balance right is.
Saw 40°C on the cpu under load and that's the highest temp anywhere, so far. 33° on the 8800GTX and 34° MCP in everest. Ambient temp is 27° atm and the loops' water temps are 27.5°. So its a cool little V-Twin so far.

The EX-33A is too long with fan included for a V1000. It'd do well in a V2000 or V1200 but the longer gpu cards will conflict in a V1000. So if I do want to put any drives in the front bays it'll be without the fan included.
Am finding that 3M see through double sided tape very good for mounting the analogue and digital sensors leads. Its really strong and virtually invisible. I'm cutting 1/16" bits off the roll's end and that's perfect to fit under each lead. You just press it on where you want the lead held then press the lead down in position and its held in the alignment you chose.
Its much better than the M-cube tape. Better looking too.

Big prob is the monitor I've been using but gave to my lady along with the box, has gone blank on me.
Disconnected moved ten feet and reconnected and the %@#$^ thing wont work! Gawd, these monitors can be sensitive.

septim

12-29-2007, 03:40 AM

3m "tape of the gods" stuff really sticky...

the 8hours became 3 days more, for a moment there the search party idea sounded good...

Jedda

12-29-2007, 04:50 AM

3m "tape of the gods" stuff really sticky...

the 8hours became 3 days more, for a moment there the search party idea sounded good...

Well, have you ever tried to explain to a woman how come her computer doesn't have a functioning monitor while your's has 2 shiny new ones, both running?
Bloody lucky i made it back here at all! :rofl:

shazza

12-29-2007, 05:13 AM

Well, have you ever tried to explain to a woman how come her computer doesn't have a functioning monitor while your's has 2 shiny new ones, both running?
Bloody lucky i made it back here at all! :rofl:

Yes, you are lucky! I would have immediately INSISTED one of your duals get hooked up to my rig ;)

Looking forward to pics of all the glory.

septim

12-29-2007, 05:18 AM

just 1? most likely jedda gave her both, and got himself a new 32" pair, hehehe...

disruptfam

01-06-2008, 04:03 AM

hey jedda are overclocking this rig???

or no need??? it's not for gaming is it????

Jedda

01-06-2008, 06:55 AM

I'll probably play around a bit next week.
Switching out the B3 quad for a G0.
But its a graphics box mainly and all my time has gone into modeling as I enjoy the new found speed and screen real estate.
I'm pushing huge numbers of polys around under a NDA or I'd show off with a screeny or two.
Its just so good for the purpose and as I load my apps it keeps blowing me away how faster it runs each one than my old box.
Am thinking about a build around the B3 and a few spare bits I have to begin a home grown render farm. We'll see.
Really liked the look of your side panels and still have to finish mine off.
Bolting them together has left me with a couple of spares to play with. Also I have a side with the stock window I mounted mesh in replacing the perspex as an early look at mounting a MCR220. Could cut a lower window in that, like yours, and use either plexi or mesh.
Maybe an idea for a cut out will spark, for one of the spare panels. A V2 logo or something.
Seems a bit of a waste to not try o'clocking a bit with this board but stability was always my goal rather than chasing numbers. Am from the era where o'clocking was how you got the performance you needed, not an end in itself.
Can understand wanting to know what she'll do, though.

Am trying to find enough time to do a bit of a thing with pics on using the M-cube. Would like to do the same on making up custom wiring too. Its easier than many think to make up leads that fit in neatly and combine the various fittings. Sort of pass on the lessons I learnt from the build.

disruptfam

01-18-2008, 07:18 AM

hey jedda.... have you got any updates??

did you get that second mofset block mate?

Jedda

01-18-2008, 07:35 AM

Yeah the second block is here.
Probably tear the chipset loop down and add them this week.
Got a G0 quad to swap out the B3 and going 64bit on the OS too.
Really tempted by the xeon boards. If I can find the right board I might give it dual quads. My render times scale directly to core numbers, so 8 cores is very interesting.
Thinking to develop the idea on a test rack and switch it in if it all works out. Theres a wave of 2nd hand q6600 around atm, so its easy to get at a good price. Just a good board to find to build a better work station.
Figure I'll put some pics up soon if the tube around the board works out well. Not happy with my first layout but that was always waiting for the mosfet blocks.
Cheers

Jedda

01-30-2008, 10:01 PM

Dropped in the G0 stepping Q6600 in place of the B3 version at last.
Still with the stock mount. Just screwed it down a little more.
Knocked 10°C of the temps.

disruptfam

01-31-2008, 06:57 AM

awesome

LogAn'sRun

02-13-2008, 01:39 PM

Jedda

04-18-2008, 08:11 PM

Jedda,
I've gone over this thread a couple times now, and I know I need to do it again as there are some hidden gems in here if I read more carefully.
But my big question is, what or how did you mount those front panels? I didn't see any pics anywhere showing what you did, and correct me if I'm wrong, but that mesh front isn't LL standard issue :) ???
Anyway, I'm just curious to see the process, as I have an idea of my own that I wan't to try and could be similiar in methods to what you did in the front. . .

I used the Lian Li accessory parts for the mesh grills and they just screw into the 5 1/4 tower frame. You can get just the fan brackets or those with drive housings included.
Just takes a long screwdriver for the inner screws.
Sorry to be so slow in responding. Have been sick.

Looks like it'll get another gtx installed. Samsung screwed the pooch on my monitor warranty and it looks like I'll have three connected soon. lol
So another card is needed for the third cable. Driver needs to be the same so matching the gtx seems the thing to do.

LogAn'sRun

04-18-2008, 09:39 PM

thanks for the reply my man, I hope you're feeling better. You been missed. . .

disruptfam

04-18-2008, 09:53 PM

nice to see ya back jedda

[XC] NetburstXE

04-19-2008, 01:38 AM

Just saw your worklog...WOW! :up:

Jedda

07-14-2008, 03:47 AM

Finally back online after a bit of a health battle and the first thing I saw was a Lian Li psu fitting that'll help fix the one design fault I haven't been happy with.
By using the V1000 instead of the V2000 for the base, overall size was kept reasonable but psu leangth was limited. This has restricted choice of psu and put 1K watt psu out of bounds.
Hasn't mattered as the current psu is handling things well.
However this new bit lets me have more cable room with the existing psu or if desired a larger model.
Haven't got the bit yet so here's a product shot to give the idea.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/pe01a_01.jpg

Of course it'll be silver rather than black.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/sulk/pe01a_02.jpg

oerekum

07-14-2008, 03:58 AM

Yay update! Glad you're ok.

Never seen that psu mount before. Won't it choke the fan somewhat? Or doesn't it have a 120mm fan.

MomijiTMO

07-14-2008, 04:21 AM

It just covers the end part of the psu. It is needed with longer [1000W] psus so you don't need to remove any of the HDD racks.

I can't wait to see more updates Jedda :)

cablesguy

07-14-2008, 05:34 AM

nice additon Jedda :up: !!

Jedda

07-14-2008, 06:42 AM

Thanks guys.
Nice to feel back amongst friends.
:up:

disruptfam

07-14-2008, 06:47 AM

:welcome: back jedda

you have been missed :D

Xilikon

07-14-2008, 08:40 AM

:welcome: back jedda

you have been missed :D

QFT :)

IanY

07-14-2008, 08:45 AM

Welcome back, Jedda. Everyone knows to look here for your worklog. Hope you recover fully.

The[R]eaper

07-14-2008, 11:29 AM

glad your back jedda!

Cant wait to see it finished.

lolhalol

07-14-2008, 12:05 PM

finaly ur back.. have been waiting for updates... :)

NaeKuh

07-14-2008, 12:33 PM

Thanks guys.
Nice to feel back amongst friends.
:up:

ahahahahahha Jedda!

i told you it wasnt deleted!!

welcome back bro! :up:

septim

07-14-2008, 05:18 PM

Welcome back Jedda, good to see you're in good health again.

Never seen that psu mount before. Won't it choke the fan somewhat? Or doesn't it have a 120mm fan

PPCs has em last time i check. It won't really cover the PSU fan, as most long PSU's have their fans near the wires&cables more to the inside of the case...

that PSU housing extension is good, replaces some stand offs & PSU frame some people uses...

emoners

07-18-2008, 07:53 PM

any updates Jedda?

Blackbox

07-20-2008, 02:33 AM

I have the same problem here in Thailand. There are no 343B sold locally and shipping would just be too much of an effort. I was toying with 2 ideas of joining 2 Armor together or getting a custom case made. I decided to scrap the 2 case idea and start planning to have a custom case fabricated locally. (an idea that is still in planning.) Its nice to see that your project went well and now I may go back to toy with the idea of joining 2 Armor together as I have grown to love the looks of my semi-mod and repainted Armor.

Cheers!

Jedda

07-24-2008, 03:02 AM

'dee khap Blackbox.
Yes, if you've already got a case that you like it makes a lot more financial sense to add the second one.
I'm very happy with how mine has turned out. There's a lot of gear in there, with two loops and two RAID arrays, but there's heaps of space left to get at all the connections etc
The two TC rads keep it running so cool I could've got away with less even somewhere as hot as BKK without air con. The rads run half to one degree above what ever the ambient temp happens to be.

emoners
Expected the psu bracket by now. Should be any day. I'll put some pics up once its here.
I'm wanting the extra length but others would find it handy for mounting the psu anywhere there's room to cut a hole. It gives a lot of flexibility with mounting choice.

septim,
Yep, its coming from PerfPC. As usual they're always a few days slower than the others.