Q6600 or E6850 ? Best mobo for Q660? - Consolidated thread

[louie101086]

I had recently came acroos this review which contained lots of cpus but I was only focused on the E6850 and Q6600. From the review in some tests the E6850 beat out the Q6600. What I want everyone to do is look at review and tell me which one you would buy.





http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/index.html

[adamsleath]

id be more interested in crysis, hl2 ep2 etc result for quad cores....
but im happy with 6850 right now :)

[StealthyFish]

I had recently came acroos this review which contained lots of cpus but I was only focused on the E6850 and Q6600. From the review in some tests the E6850 beat out the Q6600. What I want everyone to do is look at review and tell me which one you would buy.





http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/index.html

I think I'm just going to go the cheaper of the two. :) or an E6420.

[louie101086]

i hear 6850 is a great cpu but i was just worried because i seen list of programs which utilize quad cores and i use those programs alot ex. nero also i seen that both cpus do 4ghz

[Tarowah]

The real question is which of the 2 are faster overclocked to 4Ghz =), I am going for the Q6600 G0 and I intend to clock it at 3600Mhz, as long as I get that I will be happy untill the X38 chipsets hit the market and then my PW5 DH will go to the wife and then the push for 4Ghz on the Q6600, I know it might not happen but there nothing wrong with aiming high.

[adamsleath]

well its easy get a quad g0 when they arrive; that is the sensible choice.
my next chip will be a yorkfield...if there is an affordable version of it.

[Ace-a-Rue]

i think they say the 1333 bus is about 1% faster....but..also consider the test which might not use all four cores and therefore the dual core might come out ahead.

[louie101086]

where will quad core g0's be available because i dont want to preorder

[DMH]

Yes there will be quads@G0 stepping and it seems they are looking good:D

[Ace-a-Rue]

where will quad core g0's be available because i dont want to preorder

tankguys.com takes preorders and they are very good....you can cancel but i think they will charge you a cancellation fee....you can email them to find out how much.

[louie101086]

the only problem with tank guys is that they will get cpus late july mid august thats to long for me

[Brother Esau]

Another Homie fro New Jersey:D N.J Born and Raised:D

Patience is a aquired skill my friend and its better to wait and get guarenteed something then dump 3 Beans into the unknown!

[michaLcoughliN]

bah waiting.. been waiting for a month already :P

[Brother Esau]

Wait some more wood pecker:D

[TheGoat Eater]

me thinks I am getting both ;) - it feels good I can say that now that I have a job again! LOL

[Emerica]

If I can get a G0 Q6600 for ~275 I think I will spring for it.

[LogAn'sRun]

do they both have the same heat dump or is the 6850 less of a heat generator?

[michaLcoughliN]

E6850 produces less heat by far

[LogAn'sRun]

ok, excuse me for getting all noobalicious here, but can you quantify 'by far'?
What are we talking about really in numbers? Thing is, I'll be running WC off of a pa160 which is almost comparable to a 120.2, so I don't have a lot of headroom for excess heat.

[heydo6]

pa160 should cool your q6600 only , but you might not get 4ghz . i guess it all depends on how many volts you need to get 4 ghz .

[chriskurn]

I'm in the same boat. I am leaning towards a Q6600 for now....I am thinking CRYSIS! :)

[louie101086]

I'm in the same boat. I am leaning towards a Q6600 for now....I am thinking CRYSIS! :)

yeah your right it is a crysis we cant get q6600 g0 sooner lol:rofl:

[Solarfall]

ok, excuse me for getting all noobalicious here, but can you quantify 'by far'?
What are we talking about really in numbers? Thing is, I'll be running WC off of a pa160 which is almost comparable to a 120.2, so I don't have a lot of headroom for excess heat.

i don't know the exact numbers but intel quad core chips pump hell of a lot more heat than dual core cpu's..

[Silver Bullet]

Maybe this help ...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3216/51434a35dn4.png

"This graph is a lot more colorful than our previous ones because the decision just isn't that clear. If you look at the average, quad-core gains an advantage over dual-core over all of our benchmarks, but if you look at the tests themselves you'll see some trends. Encoding and 3D manipulation benchmarks have the quad-core CPU clearly ahead, while general usage and gaming benchmarks mostly favor the higher clocked dual-core E6850. So, which do you choose?

If you're strictly building a gaming box, you'll get more performance out of the dual-core E6850. However, if you do any encoding or 3D rendering at all, the quad-core Q6600 is a better buy. Our pick is the Q6600 and if you want to make up the performance difference you can always overclock to E6850 speeds, but the chip only makes sense if you're running apps that can take advantage of four cores. As the chart above illustrates, those applications are almost exclusively limited to video encoding and 3D rendering."
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and Massive Price Cuts (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3038&p=8)

[Magic Chief]

I wish there were more games that use multithreading so we could actually see the difference that it makes/doesn't make. In games like Lost Planet a quad is close to a higher clocked dual core outside but when the player moves into a cave the quad beats a dual even at a lower clock speed. This same information is shown specifically in Anandtech's review.

[Emerica]

Maybe this help ...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3216/51434a35dn4.png

"This graph is a lot more colorful than our previous ones because the decision just isn't that clear. If you look at the average, quad-core gains an advantage over dual-core over all of our benchmarks, but if you look at the tests themselves you'll see some trends. Encoding and 3D manipulation benchmarks have the quad-core CPU clearly ahead, while general usage and gaming benchmarks mostly favor the higher clocked dual-core E6850. So, which do you choose?

If you're strictly building a gaming box, you'll get more performance out of the dual-core E6850. However, if you do any encoding or 3D rendering at all, the quad-core Q6600 is a better buy. Our pick is the Q6600 and if you want to make up the performance difference you can always overclock to E6850 speeds, but the chip only makes sense if you're running apps that can take advantage of four cores. As the chart above illustrates, those applications are almost exclusively limited to video encoding and 3D rendering."
Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and Massive Price Cuts (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3038&p=8)

According to that explanation, if you overclock a Q6600 to 3.0ghz you will still have the performance of a E6850 but quad core. So in my mind wouldn't it be smarter to buy the Q6600 for the same price as the E6850 and overclock it to 3.0ghz+ which should be easy on air. And in the end have two extra cores. Or am I missing something?

[Terryb47]

The 6850 does have the potential to OC to 4ghz which is really sexy. (I guess years ago nobody would have thought we'd finally reach the 4ghz mark without extreme cooling) But I wanna see those kinda speeds achieved by the mass, not just by one or two persons.

Right now I prefer the quadcore because I'm really into encoding and don't play games anymore, I do hope to see a realtime 4Ghz dualcore vs a 3Ghz quadcore dvd encoding session.

[David9799]

Im looking to buy a Asus board for a Q6600 what chipset will be best for it to OC on air? 680i or P35?

Untill the price drops i will have a E6600 in it.

If i where to go buy the OC's on futuremark the StrikerExtreme seems to do the best.

[Brother Esau]

Thats Funny My P4 670 is 3.8GHZ @Stock:rofl:

[12Iceman]

Both the Q6600 and the E6850 have the same 9X multi, just different FSB speeds (1066Mhz vs. 1333MHz). The Q6600 is also supposed to be switching over to the new G0 stepping that the E6850 uses. It seems to me like as long as you keep the heat in check and and provide enough power, you could easily get the Q6600 up to E6850 speeds just by upping it to the equivalent 1333MHz FSB. From there on, wouldn't they pretty much have the same overclocking potential as well? Add in the fact that the Q6600 has two extra CPU cores and it seems like the hands down winner in my opinion.

[louie101086]

i would love to own a q6600 g0 but when prices drop many people will still be selling old stock mixed with new so the chances of getting a g0 are 50/50 and those are odds i hate

[louie101086]

another review damn its getting to close to call

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/07/17/intel_core_2_qx6850_e6850_e6750/1

[Ace-a-Rue]

listen...the only way you will know that you are getting a "G0" stepping is to sign up with a online retail like Tankguys.

[ChaosMinionX]

listen...the only way you will know that you are getting a "G0" stepping is to sign up with a online retail like Tankguys.

QFT

[louie101086]

qft??? whats that mean

[ChaosMinionX]

Quoted for Truth.....Sorry for my WoW lingo carrying over to stuff :D

[GripS]

listen...the only way you will know that you are getting a "G0" stepping is to sign up with a online retail like Tankguys.

Paid for my spot a week ago. They will be 'G0' stepping or you get a refund. Might be paying a little bit more. But at least you know what you are gettting.

[Rilla927]

GripS,

I totally I agree! I pre-ordered mine on July 3 and glad I did.

[Solarfall]

if i were you i would get a p35 board.. i can say this from experience when overclocking, p35 kicks nforce680i's arse.
with my evga mobo the max fsb is 490 when with my asus p5k deluxe the max fsb is 550.. do i need to say more :D

[skootyloops]

Eva2000 was able to reach 500FSB with a Q6600 on a P5K Deluxe. Simply if you need SLI then get the 680i. Otherwise pickup a P35 motherboard.

They are great, I have one and its better then my old P5N-e SLi.

[safan80]

I'd say p35

[NightRaven]

680i isnt all that bad guess its abt luck.

then again majority agrees that p35 clocks better for quad and i agree.

[Aivas47a]

Definitely p35 for overclocking a q6600. Many of the 680 boards can't overclock a quad core past 330-360 fsb (though there are reports of 400+ fsb for quad core on new revision evga boards). With p35 you'll easily see 450 or likely much more (again, talking quadcore). :up:

[billdavis]

p35 is better unless your going sli then your stuck with 680i and ive been through over 5 680i boards

so im in the process of selling my 680i's cause i hate them!

[GAR]

my 680i works fine, i have had an asus p5k deluxe, and i returned it and went back to my trusty old 680i, love this board.

[Terryb47]

I wish we had those kinda services over here (in the Netherlands), I know a german shop that does handpicked/pretested cpu's - but he's overcharging by at least $50.

I'll probably wait a month or two before getting my Q6600

[louie101086]

i am know actually considering buying a cheap g0 cheap and just waiting til the winter when penryn comes out. what u guys think about that????

[T2k]

the only problem with tank guys is that they will get cpus late july mid august thats to long for me

They get it as soon as it's available - how do you mean it's too long for you? Are you going to complain at Intel?
You're not making sense.

[k0nsl]

I am buying a Q6600 - reason? Its cheaper and I can probably overclock it to E6850 speeds or very close.

[T2k]

Paid for my spot a week ago. They will be 'G0' stepping or you get a refund. Might be paying a little bit more. But at least you know what you are gettting.

Exactly. I paid a bit before you but I don't mind as I know I'll get what I wanted (even if it takes an extra 2-3 days for them to sort the G0s out of the rest.)

[T2k]

I am buying a Q6600 - reason? Its cheaper and I can probably overclock it to E6850 speeds or very close.

My thoughts exactly - since you can get to ~3,5GHz on air and 4GHz on water already, I expect g0 to be stable at 4GHz with my nice custom WC kit and then I doubt I'd be more than a single frame behind of any dual-core competitor... .:cool:

[michaLcoughliN]

umm yes., but what people are not udnerstanding. Fine @ stock settings the Quad shows better. But now lets take the E6850 @ 4ghz and compare it to the Quad @ 3.2ghz. What would we see then. This is what people are wanting to see.

(not saying all 6850's will hit 4 ghz but it looks like a good shot) :P

But then again. Someone stated above. Penryn is coming Q4 07. And yes. OCTOO.. 12 mb cache we are speaking.

They are releasing a hole line of processors. one being 3ghz stock 45nm 12mb cache for $890 . Soooooo Regardless of your purchase now. Penryn is just around the corner.

"all i want for xmas is my penryn *sings*

[chriskurn]

I totally agree with the (e6850 @ 4ghz) vs. (q6600 @ 3.2 ghz) argument. The e6850 running that fast should do some damage.

However....If you are doing this for UT3 or Crysis, you go for the Quad....it's a no brainer.

Crysis was demo'd at E3 running on a Quad Core for a reason :)

[Richard Dower]

I'm soooooo confused :( , one post says E6850 can get to like 4GHz on default voltage while others need 1.55V for 3.6GHz.

My own E6600 has been running nicely at 3.4GHz with 1.4V in bios :)
So i'm trying to justify the leap to a new CPU, thing is...if i can't get 3.6-3.8GHz with a minor voltage bump to the E6850 is there any point?

Ergo...would it better to make the leap to a "G0" stepping Q6600 and enjoy the kudos of a Quad Core system :cool:

My ideal would be a Q6600 at 3.4GHz with say 1.4V...possible?
You more tecninally minded among us must help out poor souls :up:

[Verisimilitude]

From what results I have seen,

E6850 @ 1.4v will get around 3.4-3.8ghz
Q6600 @ 1.4v will get around 3.0-3.4ghz

Those extra 2 cores just suck up more power when overclocking, not to mention the idle and load draw on them are way higher than DC. (To be expected though)

Several people have gotten bad OCers out of the batches out now though, so it is totally random as always.

[Richard Dower]

I've got an OCZ 1000W...should be enough?

[Verisimilitude]

Oh definately, anything above 400w with a single card is enough.

[Ic3man]

Yup, 680i here too. E6600 @ 4ghz - soon to be quad when the g0 steppings arrive in UK.

[Exedy]

I've got an OCZ 1000W...should be enough?

lol

[Start]

I've got an OCZ 1000W...should be enough?

If you don't have enough, we're all doomed.

[Richard Dower]

I was thinking i needed a Thermaltake 1200W :-)

[Emerica]

If I were you I would go for a G0 Q6600 and on air you should be able to do at least 3.2ghz+ easy.

[Emerica]

I was thinking i needed a Thermaltake 1200W :-)

Oh no, OCZ is way better than any Thermaltake and 1K Watts alone is overkill, 1200 would be even more overkill.

[Verisimilitude]

That OCZ 1000W will handle anything you put on it... for at least the next 3 years.

In fact, I'd wager that it stops working before you ever have a set-up that needed more power than it can handle. So rest assured, it IS enough.

[michaLcoughliN]

i believe this topic has been discussed nermous amount of times. Yet its still a toss up :P

[Chewbenator]

And there are two threads, basically the same topic, they should be merged. Basically I am stuck with the Q6600 if I were to upgrade as the DS3 rev1 doesn't support the 6850, well at least not yet, but I doubt it ever will. Anyway being able to run two cores of F@H and 2 cores to game at the same time will be great, and 4 cores of F@H when I'm not gaming, awesome.

[Terryb47]

My own E6600 has been running nicely at 3.4GHz with 1.4V in bios :)
So i'm trying to justify the leap to a new CPU, thing is...if i can't get 3.6-3.8GHz with a minor voltage bump to the E6850 is there any point?


Only 3.4ghz on your E6600? :(

IMO paying another $250 for a "minor" increase of 200-400Mhz is not worth it.

now in my case, I just bought a cheap E4300 last week to play with till the cheap quadcores are available, and it runs at 3Ghz stock voltage. In my case I'll be replacing it with a Q6600/E6850 for sure. But I'd more than likely wouldn't replace it if it ran 3.4Ghz.

[AliG]

that's because the es chips will always oc higher. People with es g0 chips are getting amazing results, but the retail g0 chips will only give you a minor speed boost, the 1.5v sounds about right for 3.8ghz on a retail e6850. Don't forget the q6600 will also be g0 very soon, it'll just be a toss up for a while until all the b-2 steppings are phased out.

I personally say either get the q6600 if you need an upgrade now or wait until 45nm/k10 depending on how far you intend to oc.

[StealthyFish]

The real question is which of the 2 are faster overclocked to 4Ghz =), I am going for the Q6600 G0 and I intend to clock it at 3600Mhz, as long as I get that I will be happy untill the X38 chipsets hit the market and then my PW5 DH will go to the wife and then the push for 4Ghz on the Q6600, I know it might not happen but there nothing wrong with aiming high.
yeah, 3.6ghz on a Q6600 is alot harder than if you wanted to do it on an E6600. Good luck though, you might get a golden cihp ;)

[Danger30Q]

I'll take 4 cores versus 2 cores in the same chip any day.

[GazC]

Oh no, OCZ is way better than any Thermaltake and 1K Watts alone is overkill, 1200 would be even more overkill.

I think Johnny Guru would disagree, he rated the Thermaltake 1kw and 1.2kw models very highly on his site.

I'm not saying you'd need to upgrade from a 1kw OCZ model though.

[louie101086]

on tankguys website they say it may take longer to get g0 to customer they expect to ship in early/mid august i was also looking around at others website i seen mwave is currently out of q6600 so maybe july 22 they will recieve a whole new batch of g0's i will keep my fingers crossed

[doomed]

ummm think about this for a sec... you seriously think you are ever going to need 1k watts power supply... technology is getting smaller... nvidia is moving to smaller cores for their graphics cards which = less heat and less power

same as intel... 45nm processors that apperantly will only need 50watts or so of power

its funny how technology works... it starts out massive, then gets really small, then it goes massive again (11 inch graphics card *cough* 8800gtx *cough*)

unless u wanna hook up a deep fryer to your computer and cook some chicken wings while playing crysis... you dont need a 1k power supply. :)

[Harlech]

Well, maybe we'll need to run eleventyhundred case fans?

I seriously cracked up when I read the reply "if it isn't enough we are all doomed"

[Locke]

i dont know the 6750 is looking pretty good for $183, especially with the 45nm stuff comming soon

[doomed]

Well, maybe we'll need to run eleventyhundred case fans?

I seriously cracked up when I read the reply "if it isn't enough we are all doomed"

lol u want to cool the pc not tie yourself to it and launch to the moon

[louie101086]

i dont know the 6750 is looking pretty good for $183, especially with the 45nm stuff comming soon

i totally agree because for me its either go q6600 and stick with it for a couple years or buy a cheaper cpu and then upgrade when 45nm becomes available

[vegettoxp]

Hey Guys, I have started to do reviews on the Q6600, So I am guessing I am gona go with the Q6600 After all. I just had few questions:

1) Can I get the Q6600 now (Of course after Price Cut)?

2) When I order it on-line, do I need to look for something regarding this processor (Stepping I guess or something else). Or do I just order the Q6600 Period?

3) Will this processor work when I get the X38 Chipset based Motherboards Intel or Asus? (Because I plan to get the 45nm based Quad-Core Next year or so)

Thx for all the help guys!

P.S. Fusion

[David9799]

nice to see some 680i votes.

On futuremark i did not see any P35 boards using quads the board that OC the most where 680i.

[drunkcarlos]

those of you who have tried 680i, have any tried Q6600 on Asus P5N32 E-Sli Plus?

[louie101086]

1) yes
2) yes look for G0 stepping that is new best one B3 is old stepping
3) of course i dont see why not both chipset and cpu are made by intel

[Chewbenator]

unless u wanna hook up a deep fryer to your computer and cook some chicken wings while playing crysis... you dont need a 1k power supply.

I think I want a 1k power supply right now. It's hard to judge which CPU you want if you don't tell us what its for.

[crossg]

nice to see some 680i votes.

On futuremark i did not see any P35 boards using quads the board that OC the most where 680i.
I find that a bit hard to believe but possible. If there weren't any P35 boards using the quad there is now.;) 3D mark 06 Project details (http://service.futuremark.com/orb/projectdetails.jsp?projectType=14&projectId=2491569)

[David9799]

I find that a bit hard to believe but possible. If there weren't any P35 boards using the quad there is now.;) 3D mark 06 Project details (http://service.futuremark.com/orb/projectdetails.jsp?projectType=14&projectId=2491569)


comes up as.

The project id is not valid - please check the URL.

[crossg]

Maybe because I am using the trial version. Not sure but it comes up for me.:confused: Sorry didn't mean to hijack the thread. Here ya go. My vote goes for the P35 boards. This is a B3 quad not a G0

[Cranox]

those of you who have tried 680i, have any tried Q6600 on Asus P5N32 E-Sli Plus?
Its not a Q6600 i got , but with my QX6700 i get the fsbbug @ 310 ( luckely the multi go's till 15 :) )

[orion23]

Get a P35 board, but stay away from Asus.

Just read the many failure, bad experiences, threads that are everywhere concerning the Asus P35 boards / SATA and Bios issues!

[Pedro Rocha]

OK enough is enough, I count more than half a dozen of threads with same questions

- Which is best ? E6850 or Q6600
- What are the best motherboard for new G0's ?

All those threads are merged into this thread

Please post your question and answers about these in this thread.

And please use the Search funcion http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/search.php BEFORE create a new thread with questions that are already post and reposted on other topics

Thank you

[Emerica]

If/when I buy a quad I will buy an Abit IP-35 Pro with it, that is my board and processor of choice when the new G0's come out and when the price drops.

[jkresh]

Plan on moving my pw5 dh and e6600 to a secondary pc, will probably keep my 6gigs of ddr2 800 (2x1 ocz, 2x2 patriot) though might keep the ocz with the e6600, along with my water cooling setup (though I may switch the storm for an apogee gtx as storm is'int really quad friendly). Trying to decide on motherboard. Will be picking up a high end dx10 card once the next refresh is out (gforce 9800, radeon 2950xtx...) but sli/crossfire is not important. Money is int really an issue. So basically looking for high overclock, ddr2 (so I think that eliminates x38 boards and probably will buy before x38 is released anyway). Thinking of either a 680i board (if so which one?) or a p35 (again which would be the best). Any suggestions would be appreciated.

[adamsleath]

im interested to see if any "budget" x38 boards come to retail.
no frills; good fsb; little to no droop.

[ChaosMinionX]

im interested to see if any "budget" x38 boards come to retail.
no frills; good fsb; little to no droop.

Lets hope we see some x38 boards in retail within the coming month or so :)

[XtremeTiramisu]

What's everyone's estimate OC for G0 Q6600 on air using Thermalright Ultra120 Extream and P5K-Deluxe mobo?

I already have a golden E6700 C2D that does 3.73ghz with only 1.41v Orthos loaded so my next investment towards a new CPU will most likely going to be a quad :)

[michaLcoughliN]

Get a P35 board, but stay away from Asus.

Just read the many failure, bad experiences, threads that are everywhere concerning the Asus P35 boards / SATA and Bios issues!

but you yourself own an Asus motherboard?

I am so eager to buy the P5kDeluxe for my new build but Ive also seen many problems with bios flashing "going terribly to :banana::banana::banana::banana:"


DFI, Abit, Gigabyte are the only other manufactures they make some decent boards. blahhh ..

[Ace-a-Rue]

What's everyone's estimate OC for G0 Q6600 on air using Thermalright Ultra120 Extream and P5K-Deluxe mobo?

I already have a golden E6700 C2D that does 3.73ghz with only 1.41v Orthos loaded so my next investment towards a new CPU will most likely going to be a quad :)

i am going out on a limb here but i would venture 3850 Mhz...MAYBE 3900 Mhz.

[chriskurn]

My 2 Cents:

The only problem I've had with my P5K Deluxe was a bad bios flash through windows. Which was my fault. :)

Otherwise ZERO problems with the P5K, and it's a superb OC'r

[doomed]

i dont see whats wrong with asus... they make great mobos... i had one of the older ones and it sill works great. ofc im upgrading now cause of the price drops.

as for all those questions, the only way to truly know what works better with a quad, what stepping, how much can you oc, go try it yourself or wait until someone does a test and see what happens.only way i see it that you can get a truthful answer

[LogAn'sRun]

i am going out on a limb here but i would venture 3850 Mhz...MAYBE 3900 Mhz.

and would that be stable 24/7?

[XtremeTiramisu]

and would that be stable 24/7?

I don't see why not but also depends on how much voltage it needs to get Orthos stable. For anyone who isn't happy with their C2D OC results that are less than 3.6ghz may find more interest in getting a E6850 as an upgrade but for rest of others including myself who has better than average C2D OC may not find this "upgrade" worthwhile and possibly risking of getting a dud that does just the same or even worse but lower in temp that's all.

If E6850 can do 3840 ~ 4000mhz with reasonable amount of volt that correspond to the given clock speed, I'd still interested in buying one thinking that it's still considered as an upgrade. It's only roughly ~100 to 270mhz difference + 1333FSB difference afterall from my golden E6700...

The other alternative would be stepping up to a different world, Q6600 G0.

[Ace-a-Rue]

and would that be stable 24/7?

i call 24/7, stable, what ever you do with the puter that does not freeze, randomly reboot or the programs close out on their own...that's my definition of stable if those things do not happen to your system

i lend very little credence to priming all the cores to see if it is stable at a certain FSB because, as one person pointed out, that does not totally guarantee you 24/7 stable.

[Emerica]

Just curious and I know this is extremely noob of me to ask; is the 965P-DS3 compatible with q6600?

[Ace-a-Rue]

it should be as long as it has an updated bios to recognize that puppy!;)


BUT...to make sure...do a little searching on this forum and go giga's website to check the specs.

[Emerica]

it should be as long as it has an updated bios to recognize that puppy!;)


BUT...to make sure...do a little searching on this forum and go giga's website to check the specs.

Thanks! :up:

[mursaat]

According to that explanation, if you overclock a Q6600 to 3.0ghz you will still have the performance of a E6850 but quad core. So in my mind wouldn't it be smarter to buy the Q6600 for the same price as the E6850 and overclock it to 3.0ghz+ which should be easy on air. And in the end have two extra cores. Or am I missing something?Yes but on air you'll get close to 4ghz with the E6850, but 3.6ghz with the Q6600, so the gap is there again.

Unless you're happy with Q6600 @ 3.6ghz (heh, as if it were something bad) instead 4ghz for everything that's not 3D render/video encoding.

Still there's the future games. I'm not very optimistic. We have 2 cores a lot of time ago and the number of games supporting it is ridiculous.

[Emerica]

Yes but on air you'll get close to 4ghz with the E6850, but 3.6ghz with the Q6600, so the gap is there again.

Unless you're happy with Q6600 @ 3.6ghz (heh, as if it were something bad) instead 4ghz for everything that's not 3D render/video encoding.

Still there's the future games. I'm not very optimistic. We have 2 cores a lot of time ago and the number of games supporting it is ridiculous.

Yeah true, well personally I would be happier with a quad core @ 3.6ghz.

[JoeBlack009]

Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 "LGA775 Conroe" 3.00GHz (1333FSB) - Retail

Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600 "LGA775 Kentsfield" 2.40GHz (1066FSB) - Retail £19 less

gaming/overclocking

[Exedy]

Well..if your target is about 3.8~4ghz on 6850, get it, better for actual games but "quad rules on crysis" and probably next games too

particulary i would pick the q6600 and try 3.4~3.6ghz than dual core 3.6~4 but its just my opinion

im talking about watercooling

[mursaat]

I'm still with a 165 in a SLI-DR (well lately on my Merom laptop mostly) so I think I'll get a 6850 to "taste" the full power of Conroes at full speed :D

But soon I'll get a quadcore (maybe not that soon, so it would be 45nm then).

Also don't plan to upgrade my X1900XTX so...

But yes, Intel made the decision really difficult this time.

[turtle]

Well..if your target is about 3.8~4ghz on 6850, get it, better for actual games but "quad rules on crysis" and probably next games too

particulary i would pick the q6600 and try 3.4~3.6ghz than dual core 3.6~4 but its just my opinion

im talking about watercooling


I look at it like this:

Through Q2 2008 (or whenever Intel inevitably switches to a 1600FSB for Penryn and we see a 4ghz EXTREME model), the fastest thing available stock will be a 3.33 Yorkfield. I say stock, because this is what developers are going to design towards. A 3.6ghz Q6600 will probably will go toe-to-toe with it. By the end of Yorkfields life, quad-core threading should be realized quite a bit more than it is today, and will come in handy much more-so than that extra 400mhz on the Conroe. That's just my personal take on the matter.

Short-term (<1 year) or rendering/encoding isn't important = Conroe
Long-term (>1 year) = Kentsfield

[mursaat]

In the bit-tech article, when testing Valve Particle Simulation, processors are perfecly ordered Quad > Duo > AMD:

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/07/17/intel_core_2_qx6850_e6850_e6750/7

And it's based in the Source engine
Valve Particle Simulation:
Last November when we visited Valve Software's offices, the developer gave us a benchmark that shows off how the Source Engine can apply multi-threading to the problem of particle physics.

What is particle physics? Well, it's the interaction of micro-elements within the game - smoke, water, rain, fire. Valve's Tom Leonard told us that "with multi-core, you can have more complicated systems. You can have smoke that drifts off, bounces off the ceiling and then out the door."Also remarkably is the gape between Q6600 (79.7fps) and E6850 (55.0fps), it's a 44&#37; faster with 25% less mhz! (2.4 vs 3.0)

Same happens with POV Raytracing, and this time I'm really impressed on the implementation
Ray tracing is another scenario where you're going to see some quite fantastic performance scaling. Taking the Core 2 Extreme QX6850 and Core 2 Duo E6850 as an example, we saw a 99.2 percent performance increase thanks to doubling the number of cores. The benefit of going from one to four cores was 397 percent, so almost none of the available performance is wasted away.So basically, you double the cores, you get double the performance. I wish this were in all case scenarios :D

[turtle]

Same happens with POV Raytracing, and this time I'm really impressed on the implementation. So basically, you double the cores, you get double the performance. I wish this were in all case scenarios :D

Yep. Ray-tracing is the future, and Intel knows what you just stated, as this has been shown for some time (ray-tracing responds well to more cores). As we see more cores, I expect to see graphics head this way. Frame rates will soon be high-enough to use practically at decent resolutions. We'll get to hundreds of cores long before anyone expects us to, and Intel will be a big player in GFX.

As I've said before (and I think everyone thought me crazy) I think DX11 (and the next version of windows) will be built with this in mind.

[jkresh]

anyone have good luck with a q6600 and a 680i board, I realize nobody has non engineering samples of GO q6600's but I am curious as to results on b3's or b4's or whatever the current stepping is on a 680i, trying to decide if I should pick up a 680i board now or possibly a p35 or try to wait for x38 (early august is ok, much past that gets complicated).

[mursaat]

@turtle: true, I'm with you, but I think DX11 is still too soon, for povray to be practical you really need a lot of cores, and that won't happen in DX11 timeframe (I wish I'm wrong here :D)

[jkresh]

@mursaat so which board did you use and what was your best results (if you can post them). Also how did you get a retail GO q6600, I thought thye werent out yet?

[ic3m4n2005]

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?

[B.E.E.F.]

Which mobo is a good price?

Looking at the ASUS striker Extreme and the P5K Deluxe. Both look like nice boards, and the striker extreme has built in audio. Supposedly its got some kind of EAX and its also very processor friendly. Sips away CPU cycles for audio.


Any good?

What are other alternatives from the likes of Abit, Gigabyte... etc.

Looking for performance out of the box. Not looking to set any speed records for overclocking but it would be nice to have some headroom to play with if I need it.



So where do I start?

Which high performance chipset do you guys reccomend?

I'm looking at Intel. FSB 1333 or 1066. Dual Channel so I can save some money on memory. Single PCI-Express slot. Dual (SLi or Cross) is a bonus if I can get it for real cheap.

DDR2 obviously.

[Khapz]

p5k deluxe!!! (Y)

[safan80]

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?

how much voltage did you put on your HZs?

[ic3m4n2005]

Under 2.2v with Corsair RamCooler above them.
If my existing Raid can be used on a P35 Board i would get one.
On the other hand upping vcore like the DFI does you can use c1e and speedstep even with upped vcore or am i wrong ?
even my EVGA 680i can use speedstep with a little bit more vcore than stock.

[safan80]

Under 2.2v with Corsair RamCooler above them.
If my existing Raid can be used on a P35 Board i would get one.
On the other hand upping vcore like the DFI does you can use c1e and speedstep even with upped vcore or am i wrong ?
even my EVGA 680i can use speedstep with a little bit more vcore than stock.

yup your evga did kill your ram. I've been using 2.2Volts on my HZs with my p5k deluxe and my p5n32-e SLI plus with no damage here. you should get an rma on that evga board.

[ic3m4n2005]

rma takes to long so i decided to get another board in exchange. 400 fsb with quad on dfi 680i lt shouldn`t be a problem, shouldn`t it ?

[Lu(ky]

Need quick info mates :9
I`m definitly going for a g0 Q6600 and after having EVGA 680i i`d like to try DFI 680i LT.
So heres what i need to know since i have to get a new mobo tommorow.
My EVGA 680i killed my G.skill HZ the second time, so what is with DFI ? Rameater too ?
P35 would be another choice, but it has a few disadvantages over the 680i, i need 2 nics and i`ve a 2x500GB Raid 0 with no space to backup :)
My aim is ~3600 Mhz on Q6600 and i am on water (Apogee GTX).

Any recommendations ?

Now I am worried, because I just bought this eVGA A1 board for my e6850 I will get on Tuesday. I will be using the Crucial Ballistix on it. I hope I do not get fried memory. And were you using any cooling on the memory at all? I plan on using the Corsair triple fan cooler.

Also are you using extra cooling on the North & South bridge?

[ic3m4n2005]

As i wrote a few posts above i&#224;m using the exact same cooler you will be using :)
No extra cooling on nb & sb but open case.
It is something like loosing trust in these boards. There is a big thread in intel section about evga frying ram :(

[turtle]

@turtle: true, I'm with you, but I think DX11 is still too soon, for povray to be practical you really need a lot of cores, and that won't happen in DX11 timeframe (I wish I'm wrong here :D)

Larabee and Gesher aren't that far away, but touche', probably not before DX11 and Vienna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_%22Vienna%22):

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/news/242
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/9112/geshervslarabeear9.jpg

I'll just keep hoping towards DX12, then. :p:

Sorry for OT.

[michaLcoughliN]

i think i just came....Larrabee.. mmmmmf <3

[mursaat]

@mursaat so which board did you use and what was your best results (if you can post them). Also how did you get a retail GO q6600, I thought thye werent out yet?As I said in post #105, I'm still with the comp(s) in my sig, still waiting how these G0 result :D

@turtle: wow Larrabee looks promising. Also, Vienna is planned for 2009? I guess they're right (real launch 2011 then? :D)

[emboss]

I need more power! The Q6600 price cuts are finally here, and I'm doing my long-awaited main computer upgrade (from dual Bartons + 9800). Basically a complete core system replacement - new CPU, MB, RAM, video.

I've decided on three of the four things - Q6600, a 8800GTX, and 2*1GB sticks of DDR2-800. All the benchmarks I've found point towards about a 5% difference between high latency DDR2-800 and low-latency DDR2-1067. Not worth the difference IMO (an extra $150), and better invested in cooling (starting off with a Ultra-120 Extreme, maybe moving to water cooling if temperature becomes an issue).

The big question for me at the moment is the motherboard. There's only two things I care about on the motherboard:
1) How well it can overclock.
2) How good the network card is.
I've got a good PCI sound card, and most of the storage is offloaded to a fileserver across a 1 Gb jumbo-frame-friendly network. I can do 90+ MB/sec sustained to the fileserver (4 * 500 GB, Solaris, raid-z) and use this speed frequently. Currently, I'm using a Intel NIC in one of the 64-bit 66-MHz slots in the K7D. One thing that concerns me is that some motherboards have the NIC hanging off the PCI bus, which will choke the speeds a bit. So I'd really like the NIC to be on a PCI-express lane, and for it not to be a Realtek :)

Since all the storage of interest is remote, I don't care about the HDD performance, "RAID", wifi, etc. I DO care about overclocking the heck out of the Q6600! Basically, I want a minimal-feature board that overclocks well.

Oh, and it has to be cheap too :)

The main candidate for motherboard at the moment is the P5K (not the P5K3, as DDR3 is still very expensive here in Oz). It looks to be a pretty good fit for what I want, and at $160-$180 (AU dollars) is not too expensive. The other option is the Gigabyte P35-S3 which would save me around $40 - almost half a bottle of scotch there. The IP35 is, IMO, off the list due to the NIC being on the PCI bus. Suggestions?

[Capt_Caveman]

Search is your friend - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151934

[Fhqwhgads6680]

Basically you want a p35 for quad core. and best budget board for that is the ds3r. I have the ds3p myself and its great, no quad to go with it yet tho... but as a budget quad oc board that is your best bet!

And as far as cooling goes, since you are in australia, I'd get a hold of Kayl for a good single stage. These quads are heat monsters.

[emboss]

Yeah, I was figuring P35 was the way to go, but wasn't sure if there were any gotchas with the cheaper boards (pretty much every review/thread concentrated on the missing "extras" which I don't care about).

You say the DS3R is the best option - does it overclock any differently that the S3? Remember, I'm not interested in the onboard RAID. The only spec differences between the DS3 and the DS3R are the R having the ICH9R (matrix RAID support) and two extra SATA ports, and the only difference between the DS3 and the S3 being the "ultra durable" caps (just marketing cruft IMO). So to me, it appears that the S3 will do just a good of a job as the DS3R, and save me $40. Unless there's something I'm missing?

The only thing which concerns me with the S3 (and indeed most P35 mobos) is that it uses a Realtek 8111 which is basically useless for me, and would require finding a good PCI-e network card.

As for phase change ... at least for this build, I think I'll stop at water. It's going to be running 24/7 in my bedroom and I'm not sure I could put up with a small fridge running all the time :)


edit: You know the funny thing about this thread ... it contains next to no useful information for selecting a MB for a Q6600.

[strange|ife]

i'am confused is G0 supposed to be comnig into retail as of today/ or by monday? or will it be like august?

I want to order one from mwave next week

[jkresh]

strange|ife G0's are out now but most of the chips are b3's, so you can check the numbers on mwave (currently they are b3's) or try to get luck with newegg, or preorder with tank guys (only guarantee), or if you have a fry's or microcenter or someting local you can always look through their inventory and see if they have any G0's.

Still trying to decide, striker vs p5k or some other p35 board, or if x38 is out in the next two weeks. Main issue is highest fsb possibly with my watercooling (though switching to an apogee gtx over my storm) and with my memory (might switch out the 2gigs of ocz and go with another 4 of the patriot so its all the same, but only realy need just over 4 gigs in general so 8 would be kind of silly). I am wondering if the unlinked memory on teh striker will make more of a difference for me then the higher likely maximum fsb of the p5k (since I cant see getting it over 450fsb with water anyway (on anyboard), 4ghz would be great, 3.6 or higher would be pretty good).

[Emerica]

Still trying to decide, striker vs p5k or some other p35 board, or if x38 is out in the next two weeks. Main issue is highest fsb possibly with my watercooling (though switching to an apogee gtx over my storm) and with my memory (might switch out the 2gigs of ocz and go with another 4 of the patriot so its all the same, but only realy need just over 4 gigs in general so 8 would be kind of silly). I am wondering if the unlinked memory on teh striker will make more of a difference for me then the higher likely maximum fsb of the p5k (since I cant see getting it over 450fsb with water anyway (on anyboard), 4ghz would be great, 3.6 or higher would be pretty good).

Get the P5K over the Striker, but if it was me buying a board right now I would definitely go with the Abit IP-35 Pro. ~$40-50 cheaper than the P5K.

[jkresh]

anyone have an idea as to when the asus blitz formula might be out (seems like a good option if I end up with a p35 board)

[fire]

I'm building a WC'ed rig for gaming, and have been waiting for the Q6600 price drop. However, upon more reading, I find a bunch of folks saying that for gaming, it's better to just get an E6850 instead of dickering with the Q6600. Is this true? I figured the extra cores would make it superior...I guess not?

Also, what in the world is all this hubbub about D0 stepping? I've no idea what that means, but a bunch of folks say not to buy the chips right now becuase they have D0 stepping, and it's bad. Then a bunch of other threads seem to say it's great. What's the story? Does the Q6600 have this D0? I know the one on Newegg does. Does the E6850? Is it bad/good?

[chriskurn]

I believe the Q6600 is better for gaming. Crysis, UT3, to name a few will use all 4 cores. I don't believe a few mhz can help as much as 2 more cores.

G0 is the reference to the stepping of the processor. The G0 Q6600 which will ship soon will OC better and run cooler than the current B3 Q6600.

[MaK2000]

The E6850 is G0 and seem to be clocking quite well. The Q66 G0 ESs are clocking very well. We will just have to see if the retail Q66 G0 will do the same. Just a waiting game or get the B3. They clock well. They just get hot.

[dr-ali]

LOST PLANET FIRST GAME FOR 4 cores
looking to the lost planet benchmark :

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/core&#37;202%20extreme%20qx6850_07160710719/15134.png

Q6600 (G0 or B3) is better than E6850 G0 for new softwares (Game, 3D rendering, Convertion, compression
and more)

[ChaosMinionX]

Do we even have results of G0 Quadcores beyond ES? So I wouldnt say its completely fair to say that these chips are going to bury B3 quads in terms of temperature and max clocks... Im still waiting to see something beyond ES quads benches.

[crossg]

Do we even have results of G0 Quadcores beyond ES? So I wouldnt say its completely fair to say that these chips are going to bury B3 quads in terms of temperature and max clocks... Im still waiting to see something beyond ES quads benches.
Yep I agree I have seen nice clocks but no real world tempratures under load.
I happen to know someone that is testing a QX6850 (ES) and that thing runs at 60 deg c (Cores) with all four cores at 100 % stock speed (Artic freezer pro cooler which isn't the best) but that is still hot for stock speed.

[railmeat]

the only problem with tank guys is that they will get cpus late july mid august thats to long for me

agree tank guys always arrive late with preorders,like as much as 2-3 weeks later.resulting in u paying $300 for a chip then 3 weeks later its $250 etc..

[ownage]

Q6600 or e6850?, q6600 offcourse.
But dualcore is still good.
game producers have to make games which are playable for most people, mostly nubs. And nubs run conroe's at stock speeds, for example 2.13ghz. Then a 3.6ghz dualcore should be good enough, even for future heavy games which are quadcore optimized. But 230 euro for a Q6600 is just a steal. :rolleyes:

[T2k]

Basically you want a p35 for quad core. and best budget board for that is the ds3r. I have the ds3p myself and its great, no quad to go with it yet tho... but as a budget quad oc board that is your best bet!


How is it any better than Abit's IP35?

[ownage]

the normal p5k has about the same price as the DS3R. I prefer p5k, but for 15 dollar/euro more you have the P5KC, which has DDR2 and DDR3. So i think P5kC is a great futureproof quadcore OCer.
IP35 is also a great board tho.

[michaLcoughliN]

ide liek to see s0me results on both c0res clocks. :(

I still waiting arrival of my E6850 =/ if i dont like it i dont know what to do :o hahahha.

bahh so impatient i just want my new rig :(

[jkresh]

For people still waiting on motherboards anandtech should have a roundup of 680i and possibly p35 boards using newest bios's with a qx6850 and q6600 G0 sometime next week.

[fire]

Apparently Newegg is selling G0's now - at least according to the comments. Read them to see. Their price is slowly coming back down, too. Might be reasonable by next week.