Intel "price cuts" only good for stock speed Core 2 Duo CPUs? ......whats the catch?

[BTK]

http://www.vr-zone.com/index.php?i=4976
...seems as if all the 4MB cache Core 2 Duo CPUs with the 1066FSB are being replaced by CPUs with the 1333FSB ? .... and the currant 4MB cache Conroes are not effected by price cuts but would be replaced ?
...if the prices/models/speeds in that link are correct(I'm guessing the info is from this chart (http://bp0.blogger.com/_fXfo62-upU0/RlLUxADIk7I/AAAAAAAAAAc/sZNHo-E2NTs/s1600-h/attachmentcu3.png))

the move to the "1333FSB" from the "1066FSB" increases the stock speed of the CPUs, and comparing the currant 2.4GHz E6600 @ $222 vs. the coming 2.66GHz E6750 @ $183(after the 22nd?) this seems to be a much better deal as you get a notably faster CPU for almost $40 less...however this only works at stock, as actually you have really lost something, the CPU multi has been lowered on the new CPU...at stock you wouldn't notice this, but if you were to overclock both CPUs to the same speed, say 3.2GHz, the old E6600 would need a 1422FSB, where the new E6750 would need to have the motherboard pushed to a higher 1600FSB(which that bus speed would have pushed the old E6600 to a higher 3.6GHz)... so actually with overclocking you don't gain a faster CPU for $40 less, you either are overclocking to a lower CPU speed(with the same OC FSB speeds), or you are needing to overclock the platform(mobo and RAM settings) further to reach the same CPU speeds, which those disadvantages might not be worth saving $40


for overclockers using the full 4MB cache Conroes this will mean that after the 22nd you would pay:
$266 for a "9X" multi CPU(E6850)
$183 for an "8X" multi CPU(E6750)
$163 for a "7X" multi CPU(E6550/E6540)

...where now you only pay:
$222 for a "9X" multi CPU(E6600)
$186 for an "8X" multi CPU(E6420)
$165 for a "7X" multi CPU(E6320)

the currant E6600 is actually $44 less now to get the "9X" multi CPU than after the 22nd
...and the currant "8X" and "7X" multi CPUs are only projected to be ~$3 more than the new CPUs


A guy who goes by the name T Rush Opinion on this?

What's yours?

[Machinus]

G0 >> B2. Worth the extra $$$.

[Start]

I think this was addressed a while ago. So while you are you are starting at a default higher FSB, these new chips argubely scale better. The only real problem arises when need a board that can scale 500FSB+

[RPGWiZaRD]

I think this was addressed a while ago. So while you are you are starting at a default higher FSB, these new chips argubely scale better. The only real problem arises when need a board that can scale 500FSB+

That's when P35 comes into play! Not too hard to reach 500+ FSB or so on ASUS P5K / Deluxe, Gigabyte DSx / DQ6, Abit P35 Pro, MSI P35 Platinum etc. :D

But really for those that doesn't intend to do some xtreme overclock sessions there's no need to worry as it's only E6550 that needs a really good motherboard for good clock speeds with it's 7x multi, E6750 with 8x already could provide 4GHz at 500FSB mark and I think no1 here would be dissappointed if he reached a stable yet alone semi-stable 4GHz E6750 overclock (air) and since it costs nearly the same as E6550 I don't see the point in choosing E6550. The much lower heat output is also a bonus but perhaps boring for some when there's no need for those high RPM fans anymore. :ROTF:


the currant E6600 is actually $44 less now to get the "9X" multi CPU than after the 22nd
...and the currant "8X" and "7X" multi CPUs are only projected to be ~$3 more than the new CPUs

Heh that's an interesting point of view, personally I always thought the opposite, G0 comes with a price bonus over the current ones (E6750 cheaper than E6600 for example). Price cannot always be judged only on the basis of CPU multi either... ;)

[irev210]

That's when P35 comes into play! Not too hard to reach 500+ FSB on ASUS P5K / Deluxe, Gigabyte DSx / DQ6, Abit P35 Pro, MSI P35 Platinum etc. :D

But really for those that doesn't intend to do some xtreme overclock sessions there's no need to worry as it's only E6550 that needs a really good motherboard for good clock speeds with it's 7x multi, E6750 with 8x already could provide 4GHz at 500FSB mark and I think no1 here would be dissappointed if he reached a stable yet alome semi-stable 4GHz E6750 overclock (air). The much lower heat output is also a bonus but perhaps boring for some when there's no need for those high RPM fans anymore. :ROTF:



Heh that's an interesting point of view, personally I always thought the opposite, G0 omes with a price bonus over the current ones (E6750 cheaper than E6600 for example). Price cannot always be judged only on the basis of CPU multi either... ;)



Well said.


Multiplier means nothing anyway. I am more worried about FSB wall.


People who want 500MHz for overclocking buy P35 or X38. I think it ends up being a brilliant attack on 680i mobos.


nvidia needs to give us SLI on intel mobos.

[Tonin]

you have a higher frequency with the new CPUs at stock Vcore , so , and with the new rev , you can expect to run higher in overclock ... that what i'm thinking , that also right that i saw e6850 Es fsb walled at 490 under water ... what do you think of my thinking way ?

[RPGWiZaRD]

That's exactly what you want to believe (FSB wall comes at higher FSB) after seeing ES G0 stepping results and why me (interested in upgrading) is anxiously waiting for a couple of retail results right now to see if retail ones really follow similiar results as the ES ones. :D

[Tonin]

you can also buy an ES , that's easier ^^

[RPGWiZaRD]

you can also buy an ES , that's easier ^^

Well if I can get an E6750 ES for 175€, sure, but I don't think that's likely to happen. ^^ I'm a cheap bastard sorry (I prefer waiting for the german sites to get them in stock that sell E6750 for only ~175€). :p:

Also it's always fun every now and then to try your luck and pick one from a random site and hope for the best (or worst). It's not always so fun knowing what speeds to expect without pushing the chip yourself first.

[Tonin]

lol , you need good contacts and that's ok , last week , a friend purposed me an e6850 G0 ES for 230€ whiwh is a really good price , but i hadn't the money ... I take him a celeron 460 ES and an E4500 ES today , for a total of 150€

[RPGWiZaRD]

lol , you need good contacts and that's ok , last week , a friend purposed me an e6850 G0 ES for 230€ whiwh is a really good price , but i hadn't the money ... I take him a celeron 460 ES and an E4500 ES today , for a total of 150€

Damn, for 230€ I had easily picked up that chip. :rolleyes: Quite nice deal you got there too mate.

[Tonin]

yeah , i know it was a quite good deal , but i have yet 4 Cpus at home , on tests , and i'm waiting for penryn ES in september / october

[Gunslinger]

I'm out of luck as my EVGA 680i FSB won't scale high enough to OC these 1333Mhz chips, gonna get the QX6800 G0 version when it appears I think.

[luihed]

The E6600 vs E6850 might be a tough decision but $44 more for 2 more cores makes it a no brainer if Q6600 is included in the decision...

[Machinus]

high multi = low fsb = less voltage on your RAM = lower case temps

[dinos22]

this is one of the reasons i did not decide to sell off my E6700

10xmulti and same Ocers as good G0s :)

[michaLcoughliN]

this is one of the reasons i did not decide to sell off my E6700

10xmulti and same Ocers as good G0s :)

well ur E6700 if you sold it would be worth a pretty penny with those overclock results ;)

ide take that over an e6850 if i can achieve 4+ghz

[The Nemesis]

I too am not interested in the Core 2 Duo 6X50 series. They offer nothing my current chips have not already achieved. But the q6600 G0 is a different story. That I'm gonna be all over.:)

[largon]

lol , you need good contacts and that's ok , last week , a friend purposed me an e6850 G0 ES for 230€ whiwh is a really good price , but i hadn't the money ... I take him a celeron 460 ES and an E4500 ES today , for a total of 150€Your "friend" deals with "hot goods". One can't sell something that isn't one's property.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-001616.htm
Engineering sample processors from Intel are property of Intel Corporation.

[bithkits]

Your "friend" deals with "hot goods". One can't sell something that isn't one's property.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-001616.htm

:slapass: OUCH

haha...

[erwinz]

I too am not interested in the Core 2 Duo 6X50 series. They offer nothing my current chips have not already achieved. But the q6600 G0 is a different story. That I'm gonna be all over.:)

right on the socket.. :) Q6600 G0 will be the chip to watch.. :D

[afireinside]

Your "friend" deals with "hot goods". One can't sell something that isn't one's property.
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-001616.htm

Have you been living under a rock your entire time at XS? People have been buying/selling ES chips since the P4 days and probably earlier. You linking to an Intel page and saying they're "hot goods" isn't going to bother anyone.

[largon]

Ah, if people have been doing it for a certain time then it's OK?

Naturally Intel couldn't care less since spewing ES procs all around is a perfect "masked" method of advertising.