View Full Version : Small WC vs Good aircooler
barzi
05-19-2007, 07:26 AM
I can't choose between:
- A small watercooling loop: BIPI, mcp600, DD RBX, t-line = ~45 euro
- Tuniq Tower/Scythe Infinity(which is better?) = 45 euro
I don't know which of the two gives best performance.
I can also get another CPU block, but that would cost me more money. My first question is, what is the best performer, with the RBX block. And my 2nd with a MCW6002 or something(apogee kind of block)?
My setup:
e6600(want to overclock it)
p5b-deluxe
7900gto (don't want to watercool this)
rbd89
05-19-2007, 01:04 PM
Hrm, I'd say that they would be about even. The wc setup might pull a bit ahead, but that small of a rad will have trouble keeping up with an overclocked 6600. Save up a bit of money and go with a mcr-220 and a apogee gt and You'd have a pretty decent setup.
there is a member here who have a similar setup but with a D-Tek cpu block ( much better than RBX ) and MCP655
and through PM he told me that the temps is not that good and the high end air cooling solution could match it easily
120x1 rad is not enough at all for a dual core cpu and some overclocking
either get a dual rad or stay with air cooling
lasse.j5
05-19-2007, 01:14 PM
If you can't spend more than 45€ then id go with some high-end aircooling.
low-end watercooling and high-end aircooling peforms about the same in my experince, so if i were you i would save the hassle.
But then again if are excited about getting into watercooling then it's a good place to start.
lowfat
05-19-2007, 01:19 PM
there is a member here who have a similar setup but with a D-Tek cpu block ( much better than RBX ) and MCP655
and through PM he told me that the temps is not that good and the high end air cooling solution could match it easily
120x1 rad is not enough at all for a dual core cpu and some overclocking
either get a dual rad or stay with air cooling
I definately disagree. My single BIP was considerable better than my Tuniq Tower or Noctua NH-U12 were when using the same Yate Loon fan.
lasse.j5
05-19-2007, 01:32 PM
Was that with a better block than the DD RBX?
barzi
05-19-2007, 01:38 PM
It was with his Dtek fuzion.
So many people here say I can better get the aircooler. I also thought this, but i got the idea of getting a small wc from lowfat(I saw his rig at watercooling gallery) and he said via PM that it was better then is Tuniq tower/Noctua U12.
I know the fuzion is much more better then a RBX, but the fuzion is very expensive. It costs like 70 euro here. I'm searching for a MCW6002 or a Apogee, because someone here on the forums posted that the MCW6002 only cools 1C worse then a fuzion. And MCW6002 is much more cheaper.
lowfat
05-19-2007, 01:56 PM
Even if a Fuzion has temps of 3-4C better than an RBX I still thing the W/C will be a bit better. And if also leave the room to upgrade to better parts later on.
In my opinion just keep searching for a deal/used parts from local forums. Like i said I spent less than $100CAD on my last setup (Fuzion, BIP, 50Z).
I definately disagree. My single BIP was considerable better than my Tuniq Tower or Noctua NH-U12 were when using the same Yate Loon fan.
OPS
seems i got u wrong then
serialk11r
05-19-2007, 02:05 PM
Hmmmm...if you can get all that stuff cheap, go for it :) BUT the radiator is very very important, so I'd try to get something bigger and throw it in as well. An MCR220 or Coolrad 22T is only 40 dollars (15 more than single) and BIP2 is only 30 something dollars which is very affordable. Are you getting used stuff?
barzi
05-19-2007, 02:13 PM
Yes, i'm getting used stuff. I want a 1x120mm rad because i don't have to cut in my case, and i can hide it in my 5,25" space. I already have the BIP, i only need a pump + block.
serialk11r
05-19-2007, 02:19 PM
Yes, i'm getting used stuff. I want a 1x120mm rad because i don't have to cut in my case, and i can hide it in my 5,25" space. I already have the BIP, i only need a pump + block.
Ah IC :) YGPM
Yes, i'm getting used stuff. I want a 1x120mm rad because i don't have to cut in my case, and i can hide it in my 5,25" space. I already have the BIP, i only need a pump + block.
just dont get a used pump.
serialk11r
05-19-2007, 05:45 PM
just dont get a used pump.
Why?
ranker
05-19-2007, 05:45 PM
From my experiences, I'd say if you're going to go watercooling, then go big. There's nothing worse then buying something then realizing you need better stuff. I made the mistake of buying incremental upgrades when I should have purchased the best from the start.
Imo, stick with high end aircooling unless you're ready for the time and monetary commitment for a watercooling setup.
barzi
05-30-2007, 12:02 PM
I found a waterpump but i don't know if it's strong enough.
This should be my small wc setup:
eheim 1048
RBX
BIP I.
Is de eheim strong enough?
yes sir it is enough and more than that for ur setup
please please please report ur temps when u get ur items
septim
05-30-2007, 03:06 PM
eheim is good enough for RBX and single rad.
but as ranker said it, it would save you some not to go incremental buying watercooling...
would be better with 220 rad though...
NaeKuh
05-30-2007, 03:27 PM
guys... your making too many guesses...
Lets do the math. How much heat does an average C2D chip put out? 65W
Now how much heat can a SWiftech MCR220 disapate? Bill reported 130W? Am i right or wrong about this serial?
So overclocked C2D. @ 1.4Vcore will put out how much heat? ~111W? im making rough estimates here. But i know that number is definitely more then 100W.
So if a 100W heat source is being cooled just right with an MCR220. HOW can you guys recomend this setup to be... well okey?
NO op, unless you want to put a really high speed fan on that solo BIP. And i mean one that will be louder then most AIR kits. I wouldnt even bother. A Thermalright Ultra120 Extreme, lapped and base moded for tighter contact, will probably pull the same work off, and give you no hassle installation.
ranker
05-30-2007, 04:21 PM
guys... your making too many guesses...
Lets do the math. How much heat does an average C2D chip put out? 65W
Now how much heat can a SWiftech MCR220 disapate? Bill reported 130W? Am i right or wrong about this serial?
So overclocked C2D. @ 1.4Vcore will put out how much heat? ~111W? im making rough estimates here. But i know that number is definitely more then 100W.
So if a 100W heat source is being cooled just right with an MCR220. HOW can you guys recomend this setup to be... well okey?
NO op, unless you want to put a really high speed fan on that solo BIP. And i mean one that will be louder then most AIR kits. I wouldnt even bother. A Thermalright Ultra120 Extreme, lapped and base moded for tighter contact, will probably pull the same work off, and give you no hassle installation.
Rough average is about 150W per 120mm space of a radiator assuming a 10C delta between ambient and water temps at 1 GPM with medium speed fans.
So ROUGHLY MCR120 = 150W, MCR220 = 300W, MCR320 = 450W.
NaeKuh
05-30-2007, 10:44 PM
Rough average is about 150W per 120mm space of a radiator assuming a 10C delta between ambient and water temps at 1 GPM with medium speed fans.
So ROUGHLY MCR120 = 150W, MCR220 = 300W, MCR320 = 450W.
OH... i thought all those numbers you and nikhsub were throwing arround represented the MCR220.
Then if the MCR120 can do 150W, and the CPU will put out at most 100W.
Then yeah, it will work. Your temps wont be super great, but it will work.