Black Ice to Thermochill

[Envydia007]

Guys new here,
My conroe is OCed to 3.7GHZ and my 8800GTX is at 660/1000 and my temps are at 48/58 CPU and 50/60 GPU and I am worried about my CPU temps.
Currently I have a 120X2 Black Ice extreme with Storm rev2 and Danger Den 88GTX WB for 8800GTX, my question is if I replace my BIXII with a Thermochill PA 120.3 would I expect much difference?

[lasse.j5]

I think you should be able to se a very noticeable difference. The thermochill is far superior to the BIX

[[XC] DragonOrta]

What volts are you using on the 3070?

[Envydia007]

Its 1.45V.

[TheJollyFellow]

You will definitely see a difference in temps for the good (not only just going 120mm up, but also the switch in brands), but as I say every time, if you're going from a triple BI to a triple Thermochill, the cost difference is NOT worth the upgrade, higher CFM fans would be a better investment (assuming noise isn't the primary concern). If I were you, I'd buy a triple Swiftech radiator, www.sidewindercomputers.com has them for $45, and they perform inbetween BI and Thermochill radiators.

[masaville]

Guys new here,
My conroe is OCed to 3.7GHZ and my 8800GTX is at 660/1000 and my temps are at 48/58 CPU and 50/60 GPU and I am worried about my CPU temps.
Currently I have a 120X2 Black Ice extreme with Storm rev2 and Danger Den 88GTX WB for 8800GTX, my question is if I replace my BIXII with a Thermochill PA 120.3 would I expect much difference?

My stock E6700 ran at 62c load on air before I even went to water. Heh. Now it loads at 36c overclocked. Gotta love w/c!

[IanY]

Guys new here,
My conroe is OCed to 3.7GHZ and my 8800GTX is at 660/1000 and my temps are at 48/58 CPU and 50/60 GPU and I am worried about my CPU temps.
Currently I have a 120X2 Black Ice extreme with Storm rev2 and Danger Den 88GTX WB for 8800GTX, my question is if I replace my BIXII with a Thermochill PA 120.3 would I expect much difference?

Storm Rev 2. and Danger Den 88GTX. That's two restrictive blocks there.

I would say, first and foremost, you need to focus on your head pressure. I don't know what pump you have, but doubling the pumping power would be a good thing.

Otherwise, I would say that it may be worth ditching the Storm and/or the DD for less restrictive blocks, such as the FuZion, the Apogee GT/GTX, MCW60 and EK 88GTX, not in that order of preference, and not in that order of priority.

The move to a PA120.3 would definitely help, but I would say that you are missing the big picture with the simple switch of the radiators.

The Storm Rev 2 is a great water block, but only with massive pumping power, and certainly not in series with a DD 88GTX, which is also restrictive.

Something you should consider.

[Sideroxylon]

I bet you get close to a 10c difference by switching to a PA120.3. Iany makes a good point too about the restriction in your loop. But, unless you want to rebuild the whole thing switching the rad is probably what I'd do first.

[Snyxxx]

I gained 10C from switching from a BIP2 (old school) to a PA120.2 for what it's worth.

[Envydia007]

OMG! this DD 88GTX I bought when it first came out, the EK block came out after it. I might try replacing the rad first.
So guys whats the best fan for PA 120.3?
Thanks in advance.

[Envydia007]

Storm Rev 2. and Danger Den 88GTX. That's two restrictive blocks there.

I would say, first and foremost, you need to focus on your head pressure. I don't know what pump you have, but doubling the pumping power would be a good thing.

Otherwise, I would say that it may be worth ditching the Storm and/or the DD for less restrictive blocks, such as the FuZion, the Apogee GT/GTX, MCW60 and EK 88GTX, not in that order of preference, and not in that order of priority.

The move to a PA120.3 would definitely help, but I would say that you are missing the big picture with the simple switch of the radiators.

The Storm Rev 2 is a great water block, but only with massive pumping power, and certainly not in series with a DD 88GTX, which is also restrictive.

Something you should consider.

My pump is Laing D5.

[KaptainBlaZzed]

Your CPU temps are fine, unless you are looking for a higher OC stay with what you have.

[rogard]

Remember the mounting holes are in a different place!

[SiGfever]

I put a BIPro II doing push/pull on my P4d 945 @4.25Ghz server and I have been spoiled by my PA120.3 on my e6600. The BIPro II is a toy compared to a ThermoChill rad and I can't wait to replace it.

[serialk11r]

If you have the money to burn, go for it. Also, if you have the money for a 3070, 8800gtx, and all that stuff there, you might as well get a new CPU block and new pump as well.

[Sideroxylon]

Your CPU temps are fine, unless you are looking for a higher OC stay with what you have.

Not an Xtreme answer at all. Shame on you. :slap:

[Polizei]

IanY has a good point - you need massive pumping power for those two blocks. A new radiator would help a bunch, but so would either a new pump or new blocks.

On a side note, KaptainBlazzed, nice gun you got there... what is it? Been a while since I got out of paintball in favor of computers.

[quiet]

48C Conroe at 3.7ghz WITH an 8800GTX on a 120.2 is pretty good lol

[MaxxxRacer]

Considering you have a high heat system you would indeed see a benefit from switching to the PA120.3. Probably a pretty good benefit too.

[Envydia007]

If you have the money to burn, go for it. Also, if you have the money for a 3070, 8800gtx, and all that stuff there, you might as well get a new CPU block and new pump as well.

I thought the D5 is the best pump in the market. OK I am considering a Fusion and can you recommend a new pump?
Thanks

[serialk11r]

I thought the D5 is the best pump in the market. OK I am considering a Fusion and can you recommend a new pump?
Thanks

OH that's right, I forgot to ask you, what pump do you have right now? From what you said it sounds like you're saying you have a D5. In terms of pumping power, DDC+ is the best, and with petra's top its even better. Well actually there's more powerful pumps and those are the Iwakis, MD20RZ (RZ right?), RD30 for sure is stronger, not sure about RD20. Anything bigger is impractical. Some people don't like DDC+ because they say its "unreliable" but D5s break too...

[Frank M]

OH that's right, I forgot to ask you, what pump do you have right now? From what you said it sounds like you're saying you have a D5.

Now that was not a simple sentence :D

I'm not so sure the DDC would be that much stronger.
Here are the specs of the D5 (sorry it's Hungarian, but you can make out the
graphs I hope)
http://www.laing.hu/10termek/40Pumpen/Egyenaram/00index.htm

Oh wait, found it:
http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/DDC1%20and%202_LTI_US%20letter.pdf
http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/Laing%20Ecocirc%20D5%20vario%20american.pdf

Looks like the DDC2 has much better head, but lower flow. Looks like the D5
is better suited for high-flow, low restriction loops, whereas for restrictive
loops, the DDC2 would be better.
So I would replace blocks (imo the gpu block first, as it is more heat-tolerant:
if it could take 70-80°C with air, it can take 50-60 with water) to less
restrictive components, and watch the results.
The PA120.3 would give you a bit better temps and a bit lower restriction.
Anyway, your temps don't look that bad to start with...

[safan80]

you need to get a pa120.3 for your 3070 :fact: !

[serialk11r]

Now that was not a simple sentence :D

I'm not so sure the DDC would be that much stronger.
Here are the specs of the D5 (sorry it's Hungarian, but you can make out the
graphs I hope)
http://www.laing.hu/10termek/40Pumpen/Egyenaram/00index.htm

Oh wait, found it:
http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/DDC1%20and%202_LTI_US%20letter.pdf
http://www.lainginc.com/pdf/Laing%20Ecocirc%20D5%20vario%20american.pdf

Looks like the DDC2 has much better head, but lower flow. Looks like the D5
is better suited for high-flow, low restriction loops, whereas for restrictive
loops, the DDC2 would be better.
So I would replace blocks (imo the gpu block first, as it is more heat-tolerant:
if it could take 70-80°C with air, it can take 50-60 with water) to less
restrictive components, and watch the results.
The PA120.3 would give you a bit better temps and a bit lower restriction.
Anyway, your temps don't look that bad to start with...

The problem is, with more flow, pressure drop increases. Max. pressure is much more essential. Because of that, DDC+ should be better in EVERY watercooling loop (pump, radiator, block), although at low restriction the flow is high enough for the extra flow to not matter very much at all.

[dinos22]

you guys are all funny

so none of you noticed that the guy is worries about CPU temps of 58C loaded at 3.7GHz with 1.45v

LOL >>> there is nothing wrong with those temps >> they are pretty good :)
but the GPU block is probably a little under par....if you used MCW60 or similar with RAM sinks you'd probably get better results i reckon

[IanY]

I would personally stay with the D5. Switch to the PA120.3. Add another D5 in series. You should be good to go.

Two D5s in series would be better than a DDC+ w/ Petra or whatever. I would not buy a FuZion as a solution to the problem because you will still have a DD 88GTX to deal with.

I would add a PA120.3 to the loop and another D5.

[MaxxxRacer]

I see that you have a G5 waterblock. Its POSSIBLE (havnt seen any really conclusive data) that you may see some gains (lower CPU temps) from switching to a FuZion or Apogee GTX with bowed base. If you swapped out the waterblock to one of these, your current pumping power would be more than enough.

so here is my suggestion for optimal performance with the least hassle and expense.

1. Lap the CPU. As we all know conroe's IHS sucks and is unusually unflat
2. Purchase a D-Tek FuZion for the processor
3. Purchase a PA120.3
4. Purchase 3 120mm Yate Loon D12SL-12 fans for the radiator (the PA120.3 was designed for these fans)

total cost 220 dollars from petras tech shop (that includes the optional AquaExtreme fittings for the PA120.3 which I HIGHLY reccomend)

the above solution eliminates the need for another pump (the G5 is a serious flow killer and therefore to obtain higher flowrates that the rad and other blocks will benefit from a very powerful pump is needed) which saves money, reduces complexity of the loop (dont have to deal with pump placement) and reduces the power consumption/heat output of the system.

[serialk11r]

I see that you have a G5 waterblock. Its POSSIBLE (havnt seen any really conclusive data) that you may see some gains (lower CPU temps) from switching to a FuZion or Apogee GTX with bowed base. If you swapped out the waterblock to one of these, your current pumping power would be more than enough.

so here is my suggestion for optimal performance with the least hassle and expense.

1. Lap the CPU. As we all know conroe's IHS sucks and is unusually unflat
2. Purchase a D-Tek FuZion for the processor
3. Purchase a PA120.3
4. Purchase 3 120mm Yate Loon D12SL-12 fans for the radiator (the PA120.3 was designed for these fans)

total cost 220 dollars from petras tech shop (that includes the optional AquaExtreme fittings for the PA120.3 which I HIGHLY reccomend)

the above solution eliminates the need for another pump (the G5 is a serious flow killer and therefore to obtain higher flowrates that the rad and other blocks will benefit from a very powerful pump is needed) which saves money, reduces complexity of the loop (dont have to deal with pump placement) and reduces the power consumption/heat output of the system.

Hold on there, Maxxx, his sig might be referring to the Logitech G5 mouse...I think he said he has a regular storm rev. 2 as of now.

[Envydia007]

Im sorry but yeah it a mouse G5,lol

[safan80]

you guys are all funny

so none of you noticed that the guy is worries about CPU temps of 58C loaded at 3.7GHz with 1.45v

LOL >>> there is nothing wrong with those temps >> they are pretty good :)

58C means nothing to me without knowing his ambient temps because he might just need to cool his room down. Besides I think he already wants to get a pa120.3 and why would I say no to that ;)

[ziddey]

58C means nothing to me without knowing his ambient temps because he might just need to cool his room down. Besides I think he already wants to get a pa120.3 and why would I say no to that ;)

I'm surprised no one said this earlier.

How warm do your tubes / rad feel when you put it under load for a good while?

Do load temps after 2 minutes of load differ from say 1 hr of load?

You'd probably pick up a real healthy gain just from switching to a fuzion from the storm. If you're ok with your current rad and don't want an unnecessary hassle until it's more "necessary", then by all means just get a new cpu block first.

That said, your temps aren't all too bad at all in my opinion. I'm loading up at around 60'c here for cpu and 45'c for gpu :(. I think I have a problem ;)

[dinos22]

i guess i assumed his ambient would be in normal temp range

normal 20-26C

[Envydia007]

I got 26C.

[dinos22]

I got 26C.

thermochill will help but those temps are ok man i wouldn't waste time to be honest yet

when you change to quad you may want to look at that other rad i guess i maybe better block