Seagate readies 10k rpm Sata harddrive

[Cooper]

están trabajando en uno de 10.000rpm para hacerle competencia a los raptors, de 15k tienen pero para servidores no mas



they are working in one of 10.000rpm to do competition to him to raptors, of 15k have but for servants not but

Source (http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/showpost.php?p=941965&postcount=5)

[theteamaqua]

cool .. WD has monopolized this segment of the market for the past what? 10 years? with 76GB and the new 150GB 10k drives

[Lightman]

Source (http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/showpost.php?p=941965&postcount=5)

Means that market for 10krpm drives is growing :woot: !

Another player on this market means competition and this is = lower prices :banana: :banana: !

Bring it on!

[ANP !!!]

Hmm good news

I Hope Hitachi also joins the 10k wagon :D

[Nanometer]

I don't even speak the language, but I think it made more sense then the translation. This is great news. Finally somebody is taking the thumb out of their "place" and removing the 10k desktop drives out of monopoly. Two good things will come from this. One, like you said, will be lower prices. Second, and much more importantly, there is now an insensitive to bring the faster drive to the market. Maybe we will see Perpendicular Recording drive with 10K rotation and 32 Megs of cache.

[benny08]

I understand the 10k Seagate bit, but what does the 15k part refer to?

"of 15k have but for servants not but" ??

[Nanometer]

Maybe news of a 15k desktop drive. That would be cool too.

[K404]

I`d like to see 15K desktop drives :D I was totally underwhelmed with Raptor 150 RAID when I tried it, was way more impressed with my SCSI.

[virtualrain]

By this time next year, 10K RPM drives will be obsolete... bring on SSD! :D

[bing]

Well, they got all their drives families names from fastest animal like Cheetah, Barracuda.

Wonder what they name this new one, Eagle ? Sounds too boring .... better use "Ninja Turtle", still amazingly fast animal ! :D

[Richie P]

Long live SCSI xD lol

Glad to hear talk of more improvements to hard drives, I still recon they're the only PC component that are dragging their feet in regard to major developments in recent years...saying that, let's keep the SSD info rolling in :D

[p8ntslinger676]

the last part talks about not having 15k server drives anymore, i can read spanish, had to take spanish for 4 years in highschool :D

[fredd_ber]

Means that market for 10krpm drives is growing :woot: !

Another player on this market means competition and this is = lower prices :banana: :banana: !

Bring it on!
hahaha http://extremeoverclock.org/images/images/406430iagree.gif

[zir_blazer]

Maybe news of a 15k desktop drive. That would be cool too.
No. What it says is that Seagate already got a 15K RPM commercial Hard Disk but they're for Servers (SCSI or SAS), not for your regular Desktop. Actually, you can either buy an SCSI or SAS Controller and use them anyways if you need the Hard Disk performance, but the cost is prohibitive.
I don't know what they think that they're going to "Develop". Major Hard Disks manufacturers got 10K and 15K RPM commercial Hard Disk from a long time ago (And I recall hearing about 18K RPM ones), but the only one that decided to degrade one of they products from the Server market to the enthusiast one was Western Digital. The only thing that needs to be change is the logical board, probabily by adding a bridge or using a different Chip that got a SATA interface instead of the SATA or SAS one.
Another mystery is why even though SAS SFF 8482 connector is backwards compatible with SATA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI), there aren't Chipsets that supports it so a Motherboard may support many SAS devices out of the box (Even if it didn't supported Cache or advanced RAID modes like a real Controller Card would do).

[gOJDO]

I want a cheap flash drive. :eek:

[DFI pit bull]

It took them long enough did'nt it, the Raptors have been out for years.
The whole market has been moving at a rapid pace for years with the exception of the hard drives. 10 or 15k rpm with 32meg cache and sata2 would be nice.

It's still too little too late considering solid state is just around the corner.

[eXceeded]

Woot we badly need hdd manufacturers to start working on faster solutions. They are all soo lazy making the same 7200rpm drives with differences of like 1MB cache between them... Raptors have dominated the desktop scene for far too long and I still don't understand why tehy haven't had any competition.

[Dainas]

honestly, how long have they had 15k drives for servers? You'd think there would be more forays by now into low capacity high rpm/price harddrive for personal computers if nothing else but marketing.

[DoubleZero]

Makes sense... now that mechanic drives are about to become obsolete.

[Soulburner]

Considering hybrid and flash drives are mainly aimed at notebooks there is still a big market for this.

If Seagate made a 10k desktop drive of equal capacity (or larger) to the Raptor, with perpendicular recording and more cache I would buy it, and I wouldn't be the only one.

[onewingedangel]

Theres been talk of a desktop version of a cheetah HDD since the raptors launch, until its in the shops and performance testing results are out its just speculation.

The main problem with 15k HDD's is the noise which most home users would find unacceptable, wheras 10k HDD's aren't any worse than the loudest 7200rpm drives.

[[XC] leviathan18]

it says seagate has 15k rpm hdd but only for server market so now they are going to grab the 10k desktop market

[wedfighter]

finally RAPTOR will got some srious competitor here

[metro.cl]

Lol i cant write without worring :P

Seagate is working on 10k RPM drives for the desktop market to compete with Raptor.

I got the presentation on my email today and have priviledges to post everything on it :)

will write something and let you know guys

[Order]

WD has monopolized this segment of the market for the past what? 10 years? with 76GB and the new 150GB 10k drives
I wouldn't say that it has been monopolized at all. No other company bothered making a competitor.

[cky2k6]

yeah, thats true. i really dont understand why it was ignored for so long. its like seagate, maxtor and ibm (hitachi now) sorta missed the memo on wd telling tons of these drives...

[metro.cl]

yeah, thats true. i really dont understand why it was ignored for so long. its like seagate, maxtor and ibm (hitachi now) sorta missed the memo on wd telling tons of these drives...

He said that the market didnt have enough demand for 10k HDDs

[LuckyNV]

He said that the market didnt have enough demand for 10k HDDs

true the demand isn't huge there, but why let WD have all the fun :D

its a good thing if both decide to go at it, only means cheaper and faster drives

[Cobalt]

I wouldn't say that it has been monopolized at all. No other company bothered making a competitor.

It doesn't matter why you have 100% market share, if there is no competition in a segment then it is a monopoly.

[syne_24]

He said that the market didnt have enough demand for 10k HDDs

That's exactly what the Seagate represenative told me too when I questioned about their 10K lineup months back when they had the demo at Fry's. It's good to see they realized that it's not about demand but making a name for themselves. When most people think of Western Digital, they know about the Raptor and what it is. Finally we get to see some alternative in this category.

[Speederlander]

It doesn't matter why you have 100% market share, if there is no competition in a segment then it is a monopoly.

No, monoploy implies control and the ability to prevent competition. For example, MS is a monopoly because they use their market share to maintain their position and crush potential competition. They are self-perpetuating. Western Digitial merely makes a product no one else has bothered to challenge. Their Raptor products (or industry control) don't prevent anyone else from making such drives and marketing them. MS however strictly can control what products come to market on the majority of PCs.

[nn_step]

I do hope they do produce some but I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Since I'm all excited about SATA Ram drives

[Kunaak]

I wish they would just start putting SAS hard drive connections on motherboards.

SATA connection on SCSI drives, and theres plenty of SAS drives to chose from from 10k 18 gig drives, to 15k 174 gig drives.

[Speederlander]

I wish they would just start putting SAS hard drive connections on motherboards.

SATA connection on SCSI drives, and theres plenty of SAS drives to chose from from 10k 18 gig drives, to 15k 174 gig drives.

Agreed. And SAS controller cards are just too freakin' expensive.

[nn_step]

I wish they would just start putting SAS hard drive connections on motherboards.

SATA connection on SCSI drives, and theres plenty of SAS drives to chose from from 10k 18 gig drives, to 15k 174 gig drives.

Probably because of the cost http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&N=2000150410&PropertyCodeValue=1932%3A20624%2C1932%3A20623%2C19 35%3A15356&bop=And&Order=PRICE
however if they were to start including it into the chipsets themselves it is entirely possible

[NapalmV5]

bout time, yet another scsi in sata clothing :woot:

10K rpm/32MB cache/perpendicular = 100MB/s easy @ full capacity

[NapalmV5]

Agreed. And SAS controller cards are just too freakin' expensive.

no more expensive than the sata controllers, the drives are more $$$

[Speederlander]

no more expensive than the sata controllers, the drives are more $$$

Ignoring PCI-X controllers, since few people have PCI-X on their mobos, the majority of PCI-e controllers that have some info on them (technical reviews or buyer reviews) are like $600+. There are a few that are in the mid to high $300 range, but there is practically no info on them at all, so you would be taking a big crapshoot as to whether they were solid or performers. In any event, all the PCI-e SAS controllers with onboard memory that I have seen (can't imagine grabbing a contoller w/o some level of memory) have been $600 or more. I don't know, maybe there is some stuff out there I am not aware of that is tried and true and a known good performer for $400 or less. I just haven't seen it.

[MaxxxRacer]

very cool. glad to see some competition.. It took long enough. You would think with the runaway success of the raptors that other manufactures would have started selling 10k and 15k destop drives earlier.

[Speederlander]

very cool. glad to see some competition.. It took long enough. You would think with the runaway success of the raptors that other manufactures would have started selling 10k and 15k destop drives earlier.

Runaway compared to what though? I'll bet compared to their other lines Raptors sell a small fraction. I could be wrong, but it's only the enthusiast market that gets raptors, and even then it isn't universal. I have three of them so I shouldn't talk :rolleyes: but I'll bet one of the reasons other companies haven't gone into this market is that the profits are far less for the investment of R&D and setting up production lines than standard hard drives simply because they know the volumes aren't there.

[ColonelCain]

Means that market for 10krpm drives is growing :woot: !

Another player on this market means competition and this is = lower prices :banana: :banana: !

Bring it on!

I'm with you. I want to see 300gig 10k HDD's for 150!!!:slobber: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Soulburner]

Runaway compared to what though? I'll bet compared to their other lines Raptors sell a small fraction. I could be wrong, but it's only the enthusiast market that gets raptors, and even then it isn't universal. I have three of them so I shouldn't talk :rolleyes: but I'll bet one of the reasons other companies haven't gone into this market is that the profits are far less for the investment of R&D and setting up production lines than standard hard drives simply because they know the volumes aren't there.
The Raptor was made as an affordable alternative to expensive SCSI drives for the server market. It just so happened that it created a sweet spot for enthusiasts with its SATA interface.

[turbox997]

WD is gonna have to step it up a notch, which is good, better products+cheaper prices= good for us. Seagate could easily press out a 200GB single platter 10k RPM with Perpendicular recording and at least 16MB of cache(if they follow their current trend).

I hope Hitachi follows pursuit as well, add 32MB of cache and now we're talking, =].

I believe the desire for 10k drives was always there, but so many consumers just didn't want to pay the premium when they could get like 2 x 300GB in a Raid 0 for the same price. Along those lines...

[[LCN]Knowledge]

Source (http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/showpost.php?p=941965&postcount=5)


Originally Posted by metro.cl
están trabajando en uno de 10.000rpm para hacerle competencia a los raptors, de 15k tienen pero para servidores no mas

A better translation: "They are working on one (HDD) of 10k RPM to compete with the raptors. They also have 15k RPM HDD's, but just for Servers." :)

[nn_step]

Knowledge;2105733']A better translation: "They are working on one (HDD) of 10k RPM to compete with the raptors. They also have 15k RPM HDD's, but just for Servers." :)

hey if you are willing to pay $305.99 for 74GB, Seagate will gladly hook you up

[WangChung]

It all just depends on how much you want to spend. If an enthusiast wants the absolute fastest hard drive, then he/she will pony up the money for SCSI/SAS. Such as this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148080

And people thought the price of a 150GB Raptor was prohibitive. Now, if an enthusiast wants THE absolute fastest storage system possible, again, that person will be paying through the nose, but there is no competition in this speed range:

http://www.hyperdrive4.com/
http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/07042003/HD4images2.htm

Thing is, people want 1TB of 15k SATAII storage for $100. Just not happening, not right now.

[Speederlander]

http://www.hyperdrive4.com/
http://www.hyperossystems.co.uk/07042003/HD4images2.htm


Decent price.

[p8ntslinger676]

Considering hybrid and flash drives are mainly aimed at notebooks there is still a big market for this.

If Seagate made a 10k desktop drive of equal capacity (or larger) to the Raptor, with perpendicular recording and more cache I would buy it, and I wouldn't be the only one.

yup, if they put out some 300gb with 32mb cache and perpendicular recording, i would nab up at least two of those and put them in a nice raid 0 and replace my current 500gb with two 1 terabyte drive also in a raid:D this is all assuming i would have the money to do so:p:

[STEvil]

I want a 20K drive.

[nn_step]

I want a 20K drive.

yeah and I wanna bang Kate Beckinsale, but at this time the odds of either of us getting what we want isn't exactly that great right now

[Knight]

I want a 20K drive.

Is it not possible to mod a hard drive? :slobber:

[mezcal]

yeah and I wanna bang Kate Beckinsale, but at this time the odds of either of us getting what we want isn't exactly that great right now

I believe you have the better shot nn. :toast2:

[xlink]

I understand the 10k Seagate bit, but what does the 15k part refer to?

"of 15k have but for servants not but" ??

he's saying that the 15k drives are for servers.


basicaly though, I want a drive with the logic from Maxtor, PRM and 10kRPM

can you say fast?

[krille]

Any time frame presented at all?

[slim142]

Source (http://www.chilehardware.com/foro/showpost.php?p=941965&postcount=5)

Well Xlink got faster but what he really meant was


"They are working on a 10,000 drive to give competition to the raptors, although they have 15k drives, they are for servers only"

I hope you understand now

BTW, why didnt Seagate make this before? I mean, we had 10k drives from WD only, like if they bought some kind of copyright or something?

[adamsleath]

i like seagate.

[ColonelCain]

Any time frame presented at all?

Yes, please. :banana: :banana:

[Sumanji]

Seagate have gone downhill over the last couple of years... I only use WD drives now, but I welcome this move as it will force prices down for all.

[phelan1777]

<<<<<eagerly awaiting.

[Growly]

You know, I was over the moon about my four Raptors. I got them OEM through some contacts, paid 35&#37; of retail. They're brilliant. The rest of my hardware is so crap I feel bad for using them in my rigs. I got a 4-in-3 bay adapter and I feel as if I've sold my soul to the crap devil :S I should put them back in their little bags with the silica gel.

I think this is quite interesting. The new Hitachi 1TB drive is nipping at the raptor's heels in most performance tests, which is understandable given the density of the Raptor platters. If Seagate can bring perpendicular recording, high density, high rotational velocity, high cache levels to the table - and do it at a competitive (i.e. not SAS or SCSI like) price, then I'd be very happy :D

I still feel bad. I'm going to put those drives in a shrine or something... and buy some 320s.

[MoTiG]

any news on that?

[MaxxxRacer]

sounds great. finally some competition for Western Digital.

[WRC]

i read some reviews that the 10K+ drives does not offer any major improvements on desktop applications, mainly because all the files are near the os unlike servers, however i would like to see actual benchmarks once these 10K come to retail

[Anemone]

I think they mentioned that they would have higher capacity too, so finally we might see 300+ 10k on a single SATA drive. There could be a lot of benefits to this.

And yes either Intel or Asus should have long ago considered throwing one or two SAS connectors on high end enthusiast boards. Now that P35 and X38 are going to come with 6 SATA, seems only logical to add a few new things to the mix, right?

[MaxxxRacer]

i read some reviews that the 10K+ drives does not offer any major improvements on desktop applications, mainly because all the files are near the os unlike servers, however i would like to see actual benchmarks once these 10K come to retail

Its not huge, but when I have to raptors in RAID 0, it really helps out with load times and the system wont hickup as much. In general it just makes things run smoother.

[xlink]

est&#225;n trabajando en uno de 10.000rpm para hacerle competencia a los raptors, de 15k tienen pero para servidores no mas

they're working on a 10k RPM drive in order to make competition with the raptors. They have 15k RPM drives, but they're for servers, nothing more.

there. did my own translation.

took two years of high school spanish.

still want faster drives.
15k RPM sata Drives, PRM and maxtors good logic = double the performance of a seagate 7200.10

[metro.cl]

i have emailed the engineer but i got no answer on this topic

[elec999]

Wd will release a 15k raptor soon, hopefully. A while ago it was said seagate wont be making any 10k sata, not to hurt their scsi drives.
Thanks

[Solarfall]

why there are no 20k drives ???

[nn_step]

why there are no 20k drives ???

laws of physics tend to make it hard, plus the performance is less than that of a good SSD.

[Solarfall]

laws of physics tend to make it hard, plus the performance is less than that of a good SSD.

ok thanks for clearing that up..

[Morais]

Seagate readies 10k rpm Sata harddrive

OMG ! Great news

[TuKo]

I'd love to see 15k Raptors..

[JargonGR]

laws of physics tend to make it hard, plus the performance is less than that of a good SSD.

Which is a good SSD? For the moment all the SSDs in the market fail miserably to impress and they are even slower than some not too expensive SATA drives in read speeds. Now when it comes to write speeds they are fast.


Maybe 20k rpm drives are a far cry if you factor in noise, power consumption, ter and wear but I can't see why they would not be faster than the 10k ones. Hard to make yes, but slower based on what kind of diminishing returns?

[nn_step]

Which is a good SSD? For the moment all the SSDs in the market fail miserably to impress and they are even slower than some not too expensive SATA drives in read speeds. Now when it comes to write speeds they are fast.


Maybe 20k rpm drives are a far cry if you factor in noise, power consumption, ter and wear but I can't see why they would not be faster than the 10k ones. Hard to make yes, but slower based on what kind of diminishing returns?

commercial grade SSD are more like I-Ram and less like current Desktop SSD.

[Kingcarcas]

I could give a crap less, my Maxtor died on me the other day.....again :down: I want SSD!:shakes:

[slim142]

dont even say that! I have a 500gb maxtor that if dies, I die with it.

[GripS]

It's good to see someone finally stepping up to the plate. Bring on cheaper 10000 RPM drives!!

I still have a maxtor myself. Pluggin along for about 4 years now.

[Anemone]

300-400gb 10k Raptors would be wonderful. 15k would be heaven.

[Sumanji]

15K drives can get pretty hot and noisy, but I could see 12,000 rpm as being a nice balance of speed boost (+20&#37;) and keeping the drives cool and quiet?

[alfaunits]

Performance then price - screw the capacity, just gimme the other two!;-) (ye the price excludes SSDs ;-)

[JargonGR]

commercial grade SSD are more like I-Ram and less like current Desktop SSD.

Sure and they will also get better and better too not to mention that they are the way to go for a noisless PC. Another big issue with SSD is price right now as they are too expensive.

Anyway maybe a 20K rpm desktop drive is the equivalent of a Delta Fan pushing 220 Cfm but who in their right mind would use it.

[nn_step]

Sure and they will also get better and better too not to mention that they are the way to go for a noisless PC. Another big issue with SSD is price right now as they are too expensive.

Anyway maybe a 20K rpm desktop drive is the equivalent of a Delta Fan pushing 220 Cfm but who in their right mind would use it.

If your goal is ultimate performance, you don't complain about price ;)