Athlon 64 3000 newcastle, trouble with oc

[Spawne32]

I have been tryin for weeks to get my a64 newcastle past 2400mhz but i cant seem to do it. My temps are about 38-40c idle and 49-51c load. I have a thermalright xp-90 which is lapped and arctic silver 5, 92mm fan mounted to the heatsink, and 2 yate loon case fans. The ram cant go any higher then what i have it set to now, but there is s till room to lower the ratio, and the FSB can definatly go higher in the bios, ive had it up to 2.5ghz but i get errors on orthos. Ive tried raising the cpu voltage to no avail. I dont know what else to do...

http://www.lazyforums.net/uploadfiles/oc.gif

[Agent11]

Newcastles are horrible overclockers, it will ease up a little bit right before it is about to die..but only if you make it ride the lightning.
Get a venice.. They are dirt cheap, although if you want you could also go with a clawhammer, they have a 1mb cache and are still found on ebay.. A few small e-shops may have them aswell.

[cdawall]

Newcastles are horrible overclockers, it will ease up a little bit right before it is about to die..but only if you make it ride the lightning.
Get a venice.. They are dirt cheap, although if you want you could also go with a clawhammer, they have a 1mb cache and are still found on ebay.. A few small e-shops may have them aswell.
newcastles out oc'd the venice chips for the longest times only the last stepping did any better go look in the WR database all the clocks on the newcastles are higher than those of the venice chips


http://img.techpowerup.org/070128/2500mhz.jpg

have you tried dropping the HTT link?

mine board limited right now the mobo has no bus lock so it wont boot w/ a fsb over 250mhz no matter what the multi is

[bt_medic04]

did you try adding a little bit of voltage to the NB? might help a little bit

btw for those who doubt the venice, my 3000 (754 venice) does 2.6ghz @ 1.55v and is 8 hours prime95 stable. my motherboard is limiting me. (biostar T-Force 6100) doesnt wanna go past 260mhz htt :P

[Spawne32]

just tried all that, this thing will just not go past 2400mhz

[Zimon]

Have you tried dropping the CPU multi and RAM divider, and checked what the board's max FSB and HTT is at all...?
(Being NF4 it should go pretty high, but you never know eh?)

Also , loaded temps seem on the high side, even for a .13 chip and 1.5v... I know the XP-90's pretty damn good, especially lapped, but a Big Typhoon or something might improve things slightly....

Finally, is 200Mhz really as far as your RAM goes..?
Does it let you select Command rate=1...? (A64info should do it in windows, if not in the BIOS)

- I'm sure we can get you further in the end!

[JamesBong420]

i have a 3000 newcastle 754 and it does 2.7 with 1.7 volts these guys can take alot of volts... i did 1.65 on air for 2.6 ghz.... they can take the extra volts... and i have a clawhammer 3700 754 who does 2.8 with 1.7 volts...

[otogrim]

yep.. i miss my newcastle had it at 2.7 @ 1.65 it ran pretty hot though.

[L'enFer]

i've 3000+ NewCastle and Asus K8N which is terrible for overclocking, but i could reach 2.5 GHz with Scythe Infinity.

[cdawall]

as you can see 1.7v isnt that huge of i deal mine runs on stock cooling @ that though it only hits 2.5ghz due to the crummy VIA chipset

[Magnj]

my 3500+ wouldn't go past 2.55 on air with like 1.6V on air...Pick up a 165 :p

[cdawall]

magnj he is on s754 so he would need an all new mobo and cpu if he wants that opty

[Saibot]

I 100% agree with the post above, 2400MHz might just be too much for it. The only thing I could see keeping you from 2400MHz is probably RAM, but even with better RAM, you still might've just peaked what the CPU can handle. I know, that does seem kinda low, but look at it this way, instead of 3000MHz (3GHz) of data effectively being processed, you now have 3345MHz approx. (3.345GHz) of data effectively being processed.

[Anonymous]

my 3500+ wouldn't go past 2.55 on air with like 1.6V on air...Pick up a 165 :p


Same here :(

But now I use it in my file server and idles at 26c passive cooled with C&Q =)

[cdawall]

I 100% agree with the post above, 2400MHz might just be too much for it. The only thing I could see keeping you from 2400MHz is probably RAM, but even with better RAM, you still might've just peaked what the CPU can handle. I know, that does seem kinda low, but look at it this way, instead of 3000MHz (3GHz) of data effectively being processed, you now have 3345MHz approx. (3.345GHz) of data effectively being processed.
240X10 is a 3400+ or 3.4ghz of stuff run same as a stock 200X12 3400+

[Saibot]

240X10 is a 3400+ or 3.4ghz of stuff run same as a stock 200X12 3400+

So basically you're saying since the 3000+ and 3400+ both run on the Newcastle core, the 3000+ should be able to OC to 2400MHz? You might be right on with that statement, but other factors may prevent the chip from reaching that such as RAM, or Chipset. Nforce 4 is a good OC'ing Chipset when put in the right board, so we'll check that off as okay, Not heard about the RAM yet, and I also just noticed that his HT speed is around 159MHz ubove stock, I didn't catch this earlier because I'm used to 939 (800MHz vs 1000MHz). I'm just curious to see what happens if he were to bump down the HT speed.

[Schmetterling]

newcastles out oc'd the venice chips for the longest times only the last stepping did any better go look in the WR database all the clocks on the newcastles are higher than those of the venice chips


http://img.techpowerup.org/070128/2500mhz.jpg

have you tried dropping the HTT link?

mine board limited right now the mobo has no bus lock so it wont boot w/ a fsb over 250mhz no matter what the multi is

Lawl, my old 3000+ did 2.8Ghz @ 1.475v so I don't really think your's is all so great.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

my 3500+ wouldn't go past 2.55 on air with like 1.6V on air...Pick up a 165 :p

What were your temps and cooling? My 3500+ Winny does 3116mhz on WC @ 13c IDLE to 26c-28c LOADED with 1.630v


Lawl, my old 3000+ did 2.8Ghz @ 1.475v so I don't really think your's is all so great.

Now that's what I call friendly :mad:


I have been tryin for weeks to get my a64 newcastle past 2400mhz but i cant seem to do it.

My 3000+ Newcastle does 2.9ghz with 1.710v under WC @ 16c IDLE to 28c-30c LOADED.

In my opinion, it's most definately either your temps as LOADED is kinda high, or your MEMORY is crapping out. Have you tried dropping your RAM to like a 180mhz/166mhz/150mhz divider?

Also....SOCKET 754 HT BUS MAX is 800Mhz(1600mhz) unlike 939's 1000mhz(2000mhz), I notice your closer to 900mhz(1800mhz), perhaps dropping to HTx of 3 will help stability?

[cdawall]

Lawl, my old 3000+ did 2.8Ghz @ 1.475v so I don't really think your's is all so great.
i said its mobo limited the mobo doesnt post at any multi with a fsb over 250 not even 4x multi 1x HTT ram @166mhz. this is just cause its a VIA chipset that has no bus lock otherwise this chip could go much high


and thats an old pick it does 2.5ghz around 1.65V i was just testing stability with a higher v-core

and just as a question 2.8ghz @ 1.475v is not possible on a newcastle unless you have some magic chip :D


oh and these are some 24/7 pics of what i run at 2.3ghz stock volts :D
http://img.techpowerup.org/070208/all day.jpg
and it runs this hot on the STOCK PIB cooler
http://img.techpowerup.org/070208/temps111.jpg

[Saibot]

Lawl, my old 3000+ did 2.8Ghz @ 1.475v so I don't really think your's is all so great.

Uhhh........ that's wonderful that your 3000+ made it to 2.8GHz, but I didn't think this was a competition, we're trying to help someone with Overclocking problems, please go take your off the wall trash talk to another thread designed for trash talking other people's chips. Now Let's all respect eachothers opinions and PC's and get back on topic.


:YIPPIE:

[Spawne32]

Lawl, my old 3000+ did 2.8Ghz @ 1.475v so I don't really think your's is all so great.

can this thing run on 1.475 stable?

[cdawall]

Spawne according to sig you hit 2.5ghz is thre ram running 1:1?



Uhhh........ that's wonderful that your 3000+ made it to 2.8GHz, but I didn't think this was a competition, we're trying to help someone with Overclocking problems, please go take your off the wall trash talk to another thread designed for trash talking other people's chips. Now Let's all respect eachothers opinions and PC's and get back on topic.


:YIPPIE:

thank you

[Spawne32]

Spawne according to sig you hit 2.5ghz is thre ram running 1:1?




thank you

i was able to get it up to 2.5ghz so far but its completely unstable, the only known stable speed so far is 2.4 and even at 2.5 no matter how many v's i throw at it i cant get it to get stable, the ram is crap so i always keep the ratio at a point where it keeps it 200mhz or under at 2.5-4-4-8 timing, anything over that and the ram fails memtest, this kingmax ram is total crap and the stick of PC3500 DDR 433 they sent me, really isnt DDR 433, its just labeled that way, its actually PC3200 DDR 400 ram, i tested both sticks only the orignal one i bought can run at 230mhz 2.5 4 4 8 stable, the PC3200 cant overclock at all, and i need to keep the 1 gig of ram otherwise i would take the crap stick out, but then i wont be able to play games.

[cdawall]

ouch if you have the money get dual sticks of Ultra mines doing DDR500 rock solid

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=586829&CatId=147

stuff actually does 492mhz @2.5-3-3-7 2.7v


http://img.techpowerup.org/070209/Image3.jpg

[cdawall]

So basically you're saying since the 3000+ and 3400+ both run on the Newcastle core, the 3000+ should be able to OC to 2400MHz? You might be right on with that statement, but other factors may prevent the chip from reaching that such as RAM, or Chipset. Nforce 4 is a good OC'ing Chipset when put in the right board, so we'll check that off as okay, Not heard about the RAM yet, and I also just noticed that his HT speed is around 159MHz ubove stock, I didn't catch this earlier because I'm used to 939 (800MHz vs 1000MHz). I'm just curious to see what happens if he were to bump down the HT speed.


he said he already tried down clocking the HTT and most 754 can do 1ghz or so easy

as for 3000+ being the same as a 3400+ thats not quite what i meant what i was saying was @2.4ghz the cpu would equal a 3400+ in performance

[Spawne32]

Im gona be upgrading to core 2 duo soon anyway, i just wanted to see what i could get outta this thing.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

i was able to get it up to 2.5ghz so far but its completely unstable, the only known stable speed so far is 2.4 and even at 2.5 no matter how many v's i throw at it i cant get it to get stable, the ram is crap so i always keep the ratio at a point where it keeps it 200mhz or under at 2.5-4-4-8 timing, anything over that and the ram fails memtest, this kingmax ram is total crap and the stick of PC3500 DDR 433 they sent me, really isnt DDR 433, its just labeled that way, its actually PC3200 DDR 400 ram, i tested both sticks only the orignal one i bought can run at 230mhz 2.5 4 4 8 stable, the PC3200 cant overclock at all, and i need to keep the 1 gig of ram otherwise i would take the crap stick out, but then i wont be able to play games.

I take it your dropping mem via the BIOS before booting yeah?

That way your MOBO will AUTO-TIGHTEN some of your memory timings which will become unstable as you up the CPU FSB again.

Personally I prefer to boot with stock values and use A64info beta to drop my memory once in WINDOWS. This avoids the AUTO-TIGHTENING of Tref etc.etc. You may find that helps with your memory's stability.

You should definately run an HTx of 3 though as your fighting the entire mobo for stability if you go higher when OC'd.

[Saibot]

he said he already tried down clocking the HTT and most 754 can do 1ghz or so easy

as for 3000+ being the same as a 3400+ thats not quite what i meant what i was saying was @2.4ghz the cpu would equal a 3400+ in performance

I see..... Alrighty, I am sure a Socket 754 Motherboard could probably do 1000MHz, but I think this is how Hyper Transport works, HTT is a highspeed link between the CPU and the RAM, now I'm not completely knowledgable about the inner workings of HTT, but wouldn't it rely on Good RAM for a stable HTT Overclock? Out of all the AMD64 sockets, this one has prooven to be the most difficult to understand, save AM2's pickiness when it comes to RAM. I'm doing my best here guys, pardon the occasional n00b questions, I've got most of my AMD64 knowledge from Socket 939, so I'm trying to base my solutions off of 939 based problems. :am:

[cdawall]

saibot HTT is the link between the cpu and periphanilia (HDD, CD-rom, etc.) not the ram the ram is just a divider on th cpu speed.

soldner-mofo a64 is not as stable as BIOS settings in windows the tightest timings i can run after adjustments are 3-3-2-7 @DDR490 but i can set it in BIOS to @2.5-3-2-7@DDR490 at the same voltage

spawne32 you should send me that nforce4 board when you upgrade :cool:

[Saibot]

saibot HTT is the link between the cpu and periphanilia (HDD, CD-rom, etc.) not the ram the ram is just a divider on th cpu speed.

soldner-mofo a64 is not as stable as BIOS settings in windows the tightest timings i can run after adjustments are 3-3-2-7 @DDR490 but i can set it in BIOS to @2.5-3-2-7@DDR490 at the same voltage

spawne32 you should send me that nforce4 board when you upgrade :cool:

Thanks for clearing that up, That actually makes sense now that I think about it. Thanks again man.:banana:

[cdawall]

no prob saibot i'm here to help :D

[Schmetterling]

can this thing run on 1.475 stable?

Ye, as its a venice it can ... and I quoted him coz he said everything but newcastle was crap, not because i wanted to show off ... I just hate it when people jump around saying things they know s.h.i.t about :)

[Spawne32]

saibot HTT is the link between the cpu and periphanilia (HDD, CD-rom, etc.) not the ram the ram is just a divider on th cpu speed.

soldner-mofo a64 is not as stable as BIOS settings in windows the tightest timings i can run after adjustments are 3-3-2-7 @DDR490 but i can set it in BIOS to @2.5-3-2-7@DDR490 at the same voltage

spawne32 you should send me that nforce4 board when you upgrade :cool:

lol i will be selling it as soon as i get this athlon xp rig up and running, i keep running into a brick wall, the cpu i bought off of ebay was bad and the guy wouldnt send me a replacement, he just refunded my money, so i had to order ANOTHER one and now im waitin for that, as soon as that is running ill start putting the parts up for sale in this one, if you want dibbs on the motherboard let me know you can be the first to get it.

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

saibotsoldner-mofo a64 is not as stable as BIOS settings in windows the tightest timings i can run after adjustments are 3-3-2-7 @DDR490 but i can set it in BIOS to @2.5-3-2-7@DDR490 at the same voltage

I appreciate that cdawall but I was meaning more in an effort to find his max FSB. His problem is pushing his OC past 2400Mhz on a cpu that usually makes 2.6ghz on average. I presume the OP has dropped his ram divider way down in the past in order to test his MAX FSB? What about different MUTLI's? I see no reference to any of these so am left wondering.

Also, the HTT link speed is in excess of anything which is required at 800mhz or above on 754, although some boards/oc's may run stable with slightly higher HT speeds. However when your unable to pinpoint an area of instability for an overclock, having a bus needlessly overclocked is not adviseable. Surely dropping it to a guarenteed stable speed would assist when trying to isolate the instability?

[cdawall]

soldner-mofo thats true didnt think about that
schmetterling i didnt say all but newcslte was crap i was just saying they get a bad rep for being low overclockers and 130nm and thats not true

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

My 3000+ 754 can do this whilst generic TWINMOS DDR400 runs on a stock 200mhz divider, can go higher if I drop mem to a 180mhz divider :)

No AGP/PCI BUS lock here......I like doin' things the hard way ;)

Note my HT link speed.

[cdawall]

lots of voltage for that oc 1.85v for 2.7ghz is kinda high
this is my 24/7 set up
http://img.techpowerup.org/070213/24 7.png

do you know how to add PLLs to clockgen i need the RTM 360-803 nothing i have found has that included :(

[SOLDNER-MOFO64]

lots of voltage for that oc 1.85v for 2.7ghz is kinda high

misreported bud, it's actually 1.700v

[cdawall]

misreported bud, it's actually 1.700v
got you ;) wish i still had my old one 2.5ghz 1.55v newcastle s754 sad my PSU killed it

[anibal4083]

my newcastle:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6868/2715mhzox2.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3051/1mcon512ad8.jpg
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7510/2mcon512ag3.jpg


Tforce6100-m7
A64 newcastle 754 3000+
1.5 gb ddr400 (1024 ocz performance + 512 ares)
x1300xt ddr2 (650/837)
sata maxtor 80 gb
powercooler 500s
thermaltake polo 735
artic silver 5


I speak spanish :D Im from argentina

[cdawall]

thats a really nice voltage for that speed

[anibal4083]

and other better


http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3696/1mcon1024uc7.jpg

[i found nemo]

ur temps are too high, take the side of the pc case off. 1.595v @ 2710 mhz here, 50c load 33c idle ... ur temps are holding you back, and when you get a chance give it 1.65 volts and you prolly hit 2550 depending on how good ur cpu scales

[cdawall]

ur temps are too high, take the side of the pc case off. 1.595v @ 2710 mhz here, 50c load 33c idle ... ur temps are holding you back, and when you get a chance give it 1.65 volts and you prolly hit 2550 depending on how good ur cpu scales

it would appear his board is limiting him here no idea why but he cant post that high and it isnt even stable @2.5ghz so i think he is prolly at the max stable for his setup with out a massive vcore increase (he could probably do 2.7ghz if he push 1.7v or so through his cpu)

[i found nemo]

so you don't think temp is an issue, even if it's not the one limiting him? the cooler components run the longer they last, and these chips need it since we're rushing them to the corener anyways right? my pc used to bsod when i hit 57c during prime so i suspect that temp may have SOMETHING but not everything to do with why he's limited.

[cdawall]

so you don't think temp is an issue, even if it's not the one limiting him? the cooler components run the longer they last, and these chips need it since we're rushing them to the corener anyways right? my pc used to bsod when i hit 57c during prime so i suspect that temp may have SOMETHING but not everything to do with why he's limited.

these chips have a Tcase max of 65C so running were his is it wont make a major problem but you are correct that cooler is better which is why i like my chip so much 27C idle 45C load on PIB cooling :banana:

[i found nemo]

i think i'mma d/l that one proggy that adjust cpu according to load ... i think it's rmclock or something like that.... my idle temp will be so low lol 33c idle /50c full as of right now.

[cdawall]

i think i'mma d/l that one proggy that adjust cpu according to load ... i think it's rmclock or something like that.... my idle temp will be so low lol 33c idle /50c full as of right now.

wow thats it :D mine is doing 27C idle 47C load @1.65v or so it still is that low but then again my room is @ 60F or so (stupid cold weather in texas)

[Spawne32]

if i could ever get this other computer running, i would start parting this one out, lol i dont know if ill be able to sell the processor with 4 broken pins tho...