Opteron 165, which HSF to replace stock one?

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1st, should I remove IHS?

2nd, if so, which HSF would do, next?

3rd, if I leave the IHS on, which HSF will do a good job to replace the stock one?

4th, worth it?

I have tought of a Sythe, or a Zalman... Your toughts?

NOTE: My rig is overclocked, as per signature.

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This article I found interesting, mentionning the Scythe in particular. (http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2912)

Also there is the Scythe Ninja... (http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/cpu/026/scnj1100p.html)

[[XC] Malkec]

Tuniq tower 120 :toast:

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Tuniq tower 120 (http://www.heatsinkfactory.com/Sunbeam-Tuniq-Tower-120-CPU-Cooler-p-16479.html):toast:

Thermalright Ultra 120? :banana: (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/thermalright_ultra_120/)

I think we have a winner!!! :toast: (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/tuniq-tower120.html)

[[XC] Malkec]

No, http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/images/tuniq_cooler_tower120_r5_c35.jpg

tuniq.com.tw

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No, http://www.tuniq.com.tw/Cooler%20Info/images/tuniq_cooler_tower120_r5_c35.jpg

tuniq.com.tw

I think I will buy it soon !!! :hrhr:

[Magnj]

Stock looks pretty nice to me...have you tried it yet?

I have the artic cooling freezer pro 64...cheap...good

[big poppa pump]

1st, should I remove IHS?
Up to you! I always remove my IHS and I do see 4-5 degrees temp drops with a naked core!


2nd, if so, which HSF would do, next?
Big Typhoon!


3rd, if I leave the IHS on, which HSF will do a good job to replace the stock one?
Big Typhoon!


4th, worth it?
Definitely!

[cky2k6]

....or the better heatsink which is tuniq tower 120...

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Up to you! I always remove my IHS and I do see 4-5 degrees temp drops with a naked core!


Big Typhoon!


Big Typhoon!


Definitely!

I've been reading your lig, and I think you're statement is pretty convincing (http://www.techpowerup.com/printreview.php?id=/Thermaltake/BigTyphoon) :p

I'll check that out!

EDIT: But, now, read this (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/tuniq-tower120_8.html)!

Oh, by the way, I wish to know: Is a Zalman CNPS 7000B-Cu better than the stock HSF heatpipe of my Opteron 165 because I have one in hand and wonder if I should put that meanwhile?

Ha, forget the 7000B-Cu, it won't cut it (http://hardware.gamershell.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312)!

[Mul]

In a similar position here. Got my 165 CCBBE 0610 DPMW yesterday and I'm stuck at 2.6GHz because of temperatures. I have 1.375v set in bios, detected as 1.344V in windows. Around 46*c idle and load is upwards of 55*c.

I'm personally going to grab a Tuniq tower.

Mul

[Solarfall]

In a similar position here. Got my 165 CCBBE 0610 DPMW yesterday and I'm stuck at 2.6GHz because of temperatures. I have 1.375v set in bios, detected as 1.344V in windows. Around 46*c idle and load is upwards of 55*c.

I'm personally going to grab a Tuniq tower.

Mul

go for water instead you whont be disapointed. actually today tryed some really high volts with my chip vcore was some were around 1.70ish. temps from core temps were showing some really cool temps idle 29/32 load was 36/38 when i was running 3dmark06 :D

[swaaye]

I've been running an overclocked 165 for over a year now. Using a Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro. 2.55 GHz 1.45v.

I did remove the IHS, but I would not do it again. It barely helped at all for oc, even with lower temps. And it's scary to mount a big cooler on that expensive bare core. Would be tough to reattach the IHS well, too. Not really worth it IMO.

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go for water instead you whont be disapointed. actually today tryed some really high volts with my chip vcore was some were around 1.70ish. temps from core temps were showing some really cool temps idle 29/32 load was 36/38 when i was running 3dmark06 :D

It's probably better to spend that 200+$ on fast DDR than on watercooling IMHO.

[csimon]

It's probably better to spend that 200+$ on fast DDR than on watercooling IMHO.
At $200 you wouldn't get much of a watercooling system. But at that price I'd surely give cool-it eliminator a try.

[Sparky]

I've been running an overclocked 165 for over a year now. Using a Arctic Cooling Freezer 64 Pro. 2.55 GHz 1.45v.

I did remove the IHS, but I would not do it again. It barely helped at all for oc, even with lower temps. And it's scary to mount a big cooler on that expensive bare core. Would be tough to reattach the IHS well, too. Not really worth it IMO.
Unless you get a chip like mine. Temps were mid to upper 50's at stock speed with my CNPS9500 :eek: Popped the lid, temps fell over 10 degrees C and now I can run happily at 2.8GHz @ stock volts with coretemps staying under the mid-50's. Scary as heck popping that IHS off and bolting my cooler to that naked core but it was worth it IMO.

[bldegle2]

"At $200 you wouldn't get much of a watercooling system. But at that price I'd surely give cool-it eliminator a try."

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

oui contrare>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Coolit Freezer on Ebay, I got mine there, easiest pelt driven water cooler around, how does 12*c at idle right now sound, about 38*c under full load. I paid well under the $400 retail, about $250 delivered as I remember.

Comes complete, you just plug it in.

It has gotten my 165 to 3.2gig (9x355), I certainly don't run her there, but so's ya know.

Laterz,

baldy

[Mul]

go for water instead you whont be disapointed. actually today tryed some really high volts with my chip vcore was some were around 1.70ish. temps from core temps were showing some really cool temps idle 29/32 load was 36/38 when i was running 3dmark06 :D

Water's not really for me. I just don't see the point in me spending £180 in a good custom loop, just for an extra 200-300mhz.

I just bought a Scythe Ninja Plus @ £25 inc Postage. Hopefully this is the answer to my temperature woes :D

Mul

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I've used a little leasure time just to see Orthos run on my computer a bit. I noticed how high my PWM IC runs with my fairly new Opteron 165. The CPU runs relatively hot and around 60 - 63°c per core in Orthos. Yet, the PWM IC, which I have been used to see hangin at a cooler 50 - 52°c with my older Venice, is now topping over 60°c.

Any clue why? And is there a solution to cool the mobo a bit?

I wish I could get a Tuniq Tower but it's not possible in Canada as the distributor went bankrupt!

55498

Here are my temps on idle, 10 minutes after I stopped Orthos...

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[Magnj]

jeez 60 is kinda hoy

[otogrim]

Have you looked into the ultra120. It keeps mine at aroun 43c load. and as far as the pwmic its running hotter cuz of the warmer air blown from you cpu hsf. You can try pointing a fan on it and see if it helps.

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Have you looked into the ultra120. It keeps mine at aroun 43c load. and as far as the pwmic its running hotter cuz of the warmer air blown from you cpu hsf. You can try pointing a fan on it and see if it helps.

THIS? (http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/thermalright_ultra_120/)

[otogrim]

yep....its a pretty good hsf...only gripe i had with this is that fact that it requires a certain type of backplate that only some boards have. So if your board isn't one of those you'll have to get one or use your own screws. I managed to dig up something that worked so everything turned out well.

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yep....its a pretty good hsf...only gripe i had with this is that fact that it requires a certain type of backplate that only some boards have. So if your board isn't one of those you'll have to get one or use your own screws. I managed to dig up something that worked so everything turned out well.

If the supplied yellow plastic plates of my Lanparty is sufficient for this then :toast:

[otogrim]

nope...i have the same board...if u get the ultra 120 ur gonna have to buy one of those metal style backplates..ones like msi uses..other than that its a great hsf

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Have you looked into the ultra120. It keeps mine at aroun 43c load. and as far as the pwmic its running hotter cuz of the warmer air blown from you cpu hsf. You can try pointing a fan on it and see if it helps.

I forgot to ask you, 43°c load at 3ghz????? :clap:

[Lastviking]

Big Typhoon works very well for me with ihs off and on.

[otogrim]

yeah its 43c at 3ghz and thnx

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Currently, the problem I find with the Thermalright Ultra-120 is I have to buy that 120mm fan, and now I've been told I have to buy a backplate! How in the world am I supposed to find that backplate? How come they didn't supply that?

I'll e-mail them right away.

EDIT: It's very sad where I live... They don't know how to get the Tuniq Tower 120, they never heard of Thermalright... And then they say: " Well go order from the internet"...

[hawkeyefan]

Big Typhoon works very well for me with ihs off and on.


jup.

Big Typhoon + naked chip + stock hardware + horizontal mount:fact:

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jup.

Big Typhoon + naked chip + stock hardware + horizontal mount:fact:

Won't the cpu get crushed? I'm specially worried about that. My older Venice had a puny HSF and it was already scary. Now the big typhoon is quite BIG actually :P

Thoughts?

[hawkeyefan]

Won't the cpu get crushed? I'm specially worried about that. My older Venice had a puny HSF and it was already scary. Now the big typhoon is quite BIG actually :P

Thoughts?


nope, not in my experience at least. I've run the BT on naked horizontal mounts with both E3 Venice and X2 Toledo in sig. I actually crank down so hard on the stock hardware that the "H-bar" is CURVED lol.

[tuskenraider]

I got an AC Freezer 64 Pro yesterday and am quite happy with it. It's light, easy as hell to install since you just clip it on and cheap at $24 shipped. I dropped 5C on idle and 7C on full load over the stock cooler.

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I got an AC Freezer 64 Pro yesterday and am quite happy with it. It's light, easy as hell to install since you just clip it on and cheap at $24 shipped. I dropped 5C on idle and 7C on full load over the stock cooler.

Well if the Big Typhoon can get me 3ghz, then that's quite a tasty feature! Specially if it would help me get better ram speeds also. My ram needs around 218 - 220mhz to be at 7GB/s rated, and I can't get that at 2.8ghz. Say a Big Typhoon gets me 3ghz, it would be good for 3 things in essence: HTT adjustments, ram speeds, cpu speeds. I like for example 333 of FSB, but I have to run at 8.5x ATM. so, say 340 x 9X would be great!! :toast:

EDIT: At 320 HTT, I got a 2880mhz CPU, multi at 9X, memory at 221, and HT bus at 960. That would be excellent at 100% stability.

[hawkeyefan]

Well if the Big Typhoon can get me 3ghz, then that's quite a tasty feature! Specially if it would help me get better ram speeds also. My ram needs around 218 - 220mhz to be at 7GB/s rated, and I can't get that at 2.8ghz. Say a Big Typhoon gets me 3ghz, it would be good for 3 things in essence: HTT adjustments, ram speeds, cpu speeds. I like for example 333 of FSB, but I have to run at 8.5x ATM. so, say 340 x 9X would be great!! :toast:

EDIT: At 320 HTT, I got a 2880mhz CPU, multi at 9X, memory at 221, and HT bus at 960. That would be excellent at 100% stability.

hypothetically you should get 3ghz with the IHS off running the BT

Your chip looks very similar to mine...about 2850mhz stable at stock volts. I hit the wall at 2970mhz at any voltage before removing IHS. Load temps dropped 10C on both cores and it's stable at least to 3020mhz @ 1.55v. Load is in the mid 40s in a warm house.

Tuniq, Scythe, etc. may be slightly better performers than the BT, but nobody can say with a straight face that you're going to mount one of these horizontally on a naked chip.

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hypothetically you should get 3ghz with the IHS off running the BT

Your chip looks very similar to mine...about 2850mhz stable at stock volts. I hit the wall at 2970mhz at any voltage before removing IHS. Load temps dropped 10C on both cores and it's stable at least to 3020mhz @ 1.55v. Load is in the mid 40s in a warm house.

Tuniq, Scythe, etc. may be slightly better performers than the BT, but nobody can say with a straight face that you're going to mount one of these horizontally on a naked chip.

I think it's a much better payback to run a BT on a naked core than a Tuniq Tower 120 on a non naked core. I think you bought me in on this one!

I'll order the BT tomorrow.

[[XC] 4X4N]

nope, not in my experience at least. I've run the BT on naked horizontal mounts with both E3 Venice and X2 Toledo in sig. I actually crank down so hard on the stock hardware that the "H-bar" is CURVED lol.

This is what I do also. I have 3 big typhoons all on naked chips, all horizontal in closed cases. All run d/c apps 24/7. You can't go wrong with a bt. Here is a shot of my 170. This is in an antec sonata case, stock fan, about 70F room temp.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6333/170tempbz0.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=170tempbz0.jpg)

[hawkeyefan]

This is what I do also. I have 3 big typhoons all on naked chips, all horizontal in closed cases. All run d/c apps 24/7. You can't go wrong with a bt. Here is a shot of my 170. This is in an antec sonata case, stock fan, about 70F room temp.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6333/170tempbz0.th.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=170tempbz0.jpg)


nice...fwiw, I have run Rosetta and/or WCG 24/7 throughout the life of both chips:fact:

[NordicRX8]

On naked (IHS-less) chips, be careful of the retension mechanism used. I've had a Zalman 9500 (modified bolts/nuts) and a Big Typhoon on a naked Opty 148 and naked venice 3200+ without issues.

Without removing the IHS, your best air cooling option would be the Tuniq.

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On naked (IHS-less) chips, be careful of the retension mechanism used. I've had a Zalman 9500 (modified bolts/nuts) and a Big Typhoon on a naked Opty 148 and naked venice 3200+ without issues.

Without removing the IHS, your best air cooling option would be the Tuniq.

Since we have about the same proc. would it be possible for you to post SUPERPI 1M scores at 2.8ghz, 2.9ghz and 3ghz? At least 2.8ghz. It's to give me an idea how well your Mushkin are performing. I can't seem to break in 29s with my current stock HSF / value memory at 2.8ghz and even 2.88ghz. At 2.9ghz I get SQR ERROR :( Thoe I ran at 1.38v... I don't think upping the voltage would fix that, but I could be wrong.

[Mul]

I posted earlier in this thread about me buying a Scythe Ninja Plus. I've been using it since thursday.

Just for the sake of feedback, here's what I found.

Very quiet HSF, but fan clips are a bit messy. I get a rather high Idle temperature (up to around 46) according to core temp but load is a lot lower than my Akasa Evo 120 cooler. Fan is revolving around 850RPM.

At 2.8GHz 1.36V, I'm getting load temperatures in the region of 52 to 58*c. I'm using a Sonata II case with one rear 120mm fan on low speed.

Mul

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MONSOON II (http://reviews.pcapex.com/cooling/vigor_monsoon_ii_cpu_cooler.php)

:fact:

[xsoulbrothax]

Currently, the problem I find with the Thermalright Ultra-120 is I have to buy that 120mm fan, and now I've been told I have to buy a backplate! How in the world am I supposed to find that backplate? How come they didn't supply that?

I'll e-mail them right away.

EDIT: It's very sad where I live... They don't know how to get the Tuniq Tower 120, they never heard of Thermalright... And then they say: " Well go order from the internet"...
It might be a bit late, but from looking and googling around, it seems many 939 mainboards used the same two backplates.. one had a thin metal bar across the back open square (Asus, MSI), and one had an open square with nothing in the middle (Abit). Abit lets you order replacement backplates online for $14 shipped (!), and I bet if you call ASUS or MSI they'll work something out too.

Or here, that looks like the bar version I mentioned getting from Asus: http://www.quietpc.com/us-en-usd/products/amdcooling/tr-k8-bp

I know this because in the course of trying out the stock opty heatsink a week ago, the original metal backplate on my AN8 32x flat-out broke off - one of the two screw threads snapped out from the backplate, popping the heatsink off. :eek: I just replaced it with an Asus A8n32-SLi backplate, which fits perfectly etc.

I'm thinking of doing the sameish thing, though. My opty's at 1.35v (actually being given 1.37v according to sensors) 310x9 right now, stable in everything i throw at it - but it in coretemp, Core 0 loads at ~56c and Core 1 loads at ~59c, both occasionally spiking up 2c or so every few minutes. It's on a lapped XP-90 w/ an enermax adj fan at ~2400rpm, and the IHS is untouched so far. I'd feel more comfortable dropping the temps by a bit, and popping off or lapping the IHS isn't out of the question.

I'm also a bit paranoid about the metal backplates now, though. ;) So the big tower heatsinks all scare me. Nevertheless, I'm sort of deciding between the Tuniq, Ultra-120, SI-128 and the TTBT. My comp does get moved around occasionally for lanning with friends (1-2 times every few months), but it's generally laying flat and being babied when it happens.

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So I ordered the Thermaltake Big Typhoon VX (http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14660AC2166&vpn=CL-P0310&manufacture=THERMALTAKE) :toast:

I'll receive next week, between monday and wednesday!

[cdawall]

did you ever see the noctoua U12 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/noctua-coolers.html)?

[xsoulbrothax]

I got a Big Typhoon (regular, non-VX - I like bolt-through!) from SVC yesterday too. Pretty much an immediate drop to ~28C/30C idle, 44C/47C load in CoreTemp @ 310x9, and the PWM stays under 60C instead of 75. I'm happy, considering how warm the room is.

So now I discover my RAM doesn't like going past 255MHz at 3-3-2-8... but oh well, it was cheap. :D

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did you ever see the noctoua U12 (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/noctua-coolers.html)?

The U12 is one heck of a nice HSF, but with TT Big Typhoon, I'll be able to run the CPU naked, which to me represents a big benefit. But, the Tuniq Tower 120 is a better HSF than the Noctua U12. Noctua U12 and Thermalright Ultra 120 are pretty even in my book.

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Or here, that looks like the bar version I mentioned getting from Asus: http://www.quietpc.com/us-en-usd/products/amdcooling/tr-k8-bp


Thanks a million for that link. I think it will serve this thread well for people needing the Thermalright Ultra 120 + S939 Lanparty.



I know this because in the course of trying out the stock opty heatsink a week ago, the original metal backplate on my AN8 32x flat-out broke off - one of the two screw threads snapped out from the backplate, popping the heatsink off. :eek: I just replaced it with an Asus A8n32-SLi backplate, which fits perfectly etc.

I'm thinking of doing the sameish thing, though. My opty's at 1.35v (actually being given 1.37v according to sensors) 310x9 right now, stable in everything i throw at it - but it in coretemp, Core 0 loads at ~56c and Core 1 loads at ~59c, both occasionally spiking up 2c or so every few minutes. It's on a lapped XP-90 w/ an enermax adj fan at ~2400rpm, and the IHS is untouched so far. I'd feel more comfortable dropping the temps by a bit, and popping off or lapping the IHS isn't out of the question.

I'm also a bit paranoid about the metal backplates now, though. ;) So the big tower heatsinks all scare me. Nevertheless, I'm sort of deciding between the Tuniq, Ultra-120, SI-128 and the TTBT. My comp does get moved around occasionally for lanning with friends (1-2 times every few months), but it's generally laying flat and being babied when it happens.

From this thread, you'll notice that a lot of people run TT BT with a naked core and they feel safe doing so. I'm waiting for mine right now ;)


I got a Big Typhoon (regular, non-VX - I like bolt-through!) from SVC yesterday too. Pretty much an immediate drop to ~28C/30C idle, 44C/47C load in CoreTemp @ 310x9, and the PWM stays under 60C instead of 75. I'm happy, considering how warm the room is.

So now I discover my RAM doesn't like going past 255MHz at 3-3-2-8... but oh well, it was cheap. :D

How much can you overclock now??? We seem to have very similar CPU!

[xsoulbrothax]

How much can you overclock now??? We seem to have very similar CPU!

Still set at 1.35v (though the board overvolts 0.2-0.4vcore), the processor goes to at least 320x9, for just short of 2.9. Temps don't really change from where they are. I'm using a ~5/4 divider but my BE-5 doesn't like going much past 250fsb @ 1T, so I'd get orthos errors + BSOD's on any of the tests involving RAM within 10 minutes.

I'm going to go back later and see how high the proc can go out of curiosity, but I'm not sure yet if an extra 100-200mhz on the core is worth dropping to a 3/2 divider and going from 7gb/s to 5.xgb/s when it comes to gaming and overall performance.

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Still set at 1.35v (though the board overvolts 0.2-0.4vcore), the processor goes to at least 320x9, for just short of 2.9. Temps don't really change from where they are. I'm using a ~5/4 divider but my BE-5 doesn't like going much past 250fsb @ 1T, so I'd get orthos errors + BSOD's on any of the tests involving RAM within 10 minutes.

I'm going to go back later and see how high the proc can go out of curiosity, but I'm not sure yet if an extra 100-200mhz on the core is worth dropping to a 3/2 divider and going from 7gb/s to 5.xgb/s when it comes to gaming and overall performance.

Can't you set the memory speeds? On my DFI I have 100, 120, 133, 140, 150, 166, 180, 200 .... With those, you don't have to drop that much to get a functionning heavily overclocked setup. Your mobo is an NF4 Ultra?

I suggest to get the small program called A64 INfo. From there, you can set your memory multiplier and all the memory parms in live windows and have a superpi loaded at the same time. There, you would be able to test what sort of parms you can use for your overclock and if you want run orthos right after some tweaking and minor testing. That is something I would do. Or, say run Aquamark (since it doesn't take years to bench)...

2.9ghz doesn't surprize me at all. Is the CPU naked? At 1.45v, you should jump to a solid 3ghz if the temps are ok. Now I have no clue if that would be stable on a non naked core, maybe a naked core would me more...

I think 1.35v on 2.9ghz is a little low... I use 1.38v at 2.8ghz, at 1.35 it is too risky for playing games and working dually.

[xsoulbrothax]

AN8 32X here. In BIOS it's got 200/166/133/100.. so yeah, 150 would be a lifesaver right about now. Apparently modded BIOS' for the older AN8s gave those dividers, but I haven't seen any for this one.

The CPU's not naked, but it got a quick lap to 600 grit when I was trying to drop the temps with the XP90 before. I'm trying to find my old Barton 2500+ so I can pull the little round pads off of it to cushion the CPU if I pop off the IHS...

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OK I now have the TT BT VX in hand, but.... I can't install it! I put my core bare naked, and the mounting system that comes with the VX doesn't permit me to use that on a naked core. It's way too obvious it will damage the core. So now I'm running my cpu naked on the stock hsf. The temps are a little hotter naked than I used to have before on my stock non naked setup...

So for now, I am not impressed at all... :nono:

[[XC] 4X4N]

If you are running the stock hsf you are probably not getting good contact now. You will need to mod the retention bracket so that it will be tight enough. I don't know how the vx mounts, but with the regular BT, it's perfect for a bare core.

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If you are running the stock hsf you are probably not getting good contact now. You will need to mod the retention bracket so that it will be tight enough. I don't know how the vx mounts, but with the regular BT, it's perfect for a bare core.

I have sent a message to the technical support at Thermaltake and wait response from here. :fact:

[xsoulbrothax]

The VX mounts with a bracket, while the non-VX mounts with screws that bolt through to the stock 939 backplate or the Thermalright H-plate... that's the main reason I didn't get the VX, even though it's not any more expensive than the original.

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The VX mounts with a bracket, while the non-VX mounts with screws that bolt through to the stock 939 backplate or the Thermalright H-plate... that's the main reason I didn't get the VX, even though it's not any more expensive than the original.

As a quick recap on my doings:
- I bought the Big Typhoon VX without knowing that it didn't supply the proper bracket for a naked core.
- Received it yesterday, picked it up today.
- The box contains the VX, a NMB-MAT FBA12G12H 12cm 38mm fan, and a 12 cm grill
- Opened the VX box, noticed from the small instruction paper and box content that there are no backplate or proper screws (got pissed)
- Made my core naked as I intended to, then noticed my VX is USELESS as it can't support itself (got pissed)
- Cleaned and put back stock HSF on naked core, tried system with NMB-MAT
- Temps were too high, posted here about it, NMB-MAT too noisy at high speed (got pissed and removed it)
- Undid everything fanwize and put back my 2 80mm PSU fans as exhaust (efficient, low noise)
- Back to decent temps. Ran orthos for 30 minutes at 2814mhz 1.4v, then called it a night (core temps got steady at around 62-63°c from coretemeter, room temp 24°c)

Anyhow I'll see what Thermaltake will tell me. Of course they'll try to make me buy the 8.99$ kit that I just saw on their website. This is just sad.

People running a naked core, don't choose the VX!!! If you do, calculate an extra 10$ for plates.....

Also, an NMB-MAT / panaflo (http://reviews.pcapex.com/cooling/nmb-mat_panaflo_l1a_w-rpm_sensing.php) is insanely noisy, beware! It's efficient thoe, but 2 x 80mm could do as good a job with less noise and vibration.