OC Report: Team Xtreem 2x1GB PC6400 C3s // Powered by Hipro-Tech.com DDR Maximizer

[3oh6]

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Well, I am back with my second overclocking report of a Team Group memory kit. After my Team Xtreem 6400 C4 Adventures (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=123710), I decided that I would grab the PC6400 C3s and see how my luck was with them. Prices jumped right after I bought this kit and I did manage to sell the 6400 C4s for about what I paid...bonus ;). Needless to say I don't feel as bad for spending this much on RAM as I got almost all my money back on the last set.

We are all familiar with Team Group and the Xtreem line so I won't go into details about the company but I will mention that the Team Group enthusiast lines do carry a lifetime warranty like most major manufacturers these days.

These modules were purchased from NCIX up here in Canada and it appears I got one of the last sets because they are no longer even listed there. In the US, you can find this kit at Tank Guys (http://www.tankguys.biz/) for a cool $433 USD (at time of posting). I did find this kit listed at DirectCanada.com (http://www.directcanada.com/) still, for $391CDN (at time of posting) but they are out of stock. I am sure they would order in a kit if you contacted them though. Since these are just another retail sample, like the last kit I picked up, they are in no way hand-picked or even a review sample. I hope I get lucky with this kit because they cost more than I normally am willing to pay :) Here are the specs:

* Part # TXDD1024M800HC3DC
* ICs: Micron D9GMH
* Available in 1GB Dual Channel kits as well
* PC2-6400 800MHz 3-3-3-8
* 64x8 DDR2 FBGA Chips
* 240pin, Non-ECC, Un-buffered DDR2 SDRAM DIMM
* Aluminum Heat-spreader
* 6 Layers Ultra Low Noises Shielded PCB (Brain Power B62URCE 1.00)
* Retail Package
* Operating Voltage: 2.2V - 2.35V
* Lifetime Warranty
Now that you have been introduced...photo shoot time!


Package:
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I got a surprise bonus with this kit as I got them close enough to christmas, a free 512MB Team Group thumbdrive. Bonus freebies are always nice and I found out that most kits purchased around the holidays should come with the same thumbdrive...but I make no gaurantees. Like all their Xtreem modules, the Team Group PC6400 C3s come with heatspreaders seperate and that is how they will stay. I am not one for the bling factor I guess...naked is how I like my ladies and memory ;)


Package Contents:
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Despite the appeal of the very shiny Team heatspreaders, I still prefer the naked modules...each to his own though. There isn't a whole lot else to mention here except that the modules are obviously D9GMH and are clearly labeled as DDR800 C3 parts.


Setup & Testing:
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I start out with a installation photo in my P5B-Dlx with the DDR Maximizer waiting in the wings, ready for action. This time I have my Chilly1 SS setup for taking on the job of cooling my little E6300 while I abuse this memory. The second photo is what the setup looked like for the entire length of testing. The third image is of the AM2 setup for testing...notice the uber short PSU cables. I am reviewing a killer little 500w SilverStone power supply designed for m-ATX cases and the cables happen to be perfect for a bench setup like mine :).


AMD Setup: Intel Setup:
MB: DFI LanParty NF590 SLI-M2R/G MB: Asus P5B-Dlx Wifi
CPU: AMD64 X2 4000+ (CCBYF 0620UPMW) CPU: Intel C2D E6300 (L630A864)
CPU Cooling: Asetek WaterChill CPU Cooling: Chilly1 SS
PSU: SilverStone Element 500W NB Cooling: Noctua NC-U6
HD: Seagate SATAII 80GB 8MB NCQ PSU: Silverstone Zeus 560W
OS: Windows XP Pro HD: Seagate SATAII 80GB 8MB NCQ
OS: Windows XP Pro
EXTRA: Hipro-Tech.com DDR Maximizer
Ambient Temperature: 22-23C
I have again decided on a self imposed voltage limit of 2.6v because I don't feel like destroying this pretty pricey kit of memory. When companies start to throw RAM at me like its a beaded neckless and I'm a perky 21 year old looking at them through my cotton white tank-top at Mardi-Gras, then I will put the stoopid amounts of voltage through the RAM that we all like to see. Until that time however, my "old age" kicks in and I will be slightly conservative with what I put through these sticks.

A couple brief notes before we get to the results...
A - SmartGuardian reports VDIMM 0.11v lower than it actually is
B - Dual 32M SPi is my stability testing method of choice. Generally speaking the overclocks with super tight secondaries can be made dual Prime stable by adjusting those. The overclocks where the secondary timings have already been loosened sometimes need to knock a couple MHz off to make dual Prime stable. For the most part though, dual 32M SPi stable gets you close to where sticks will be prime stable in my experience.

Now...the standing in the corner of the gym with my thumb up my ass portion of the evening is over, Young MCs Bust-a-Move just came on over the loud speakers and it is time for this kid to get busy on the dance floor.


3-3-3-8:
Intel:
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DDR750 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-1.png) | DDR780 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-2.png) | DDR810 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-3.png) | DDR840 :: 2.30v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-4.png) | DDR870 :: 2.40v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-5.png) | DDR890 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-6.png) | DDR910 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-7.png)

AMD:
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DDR736 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-8.png) | DDR784 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-9.png) | DDR810 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-10.png) | DDR854 :: 2.33v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-11.png) | DDR876 :: 2.42v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-12.png)


4-4-3-4/5:
Intel:
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DDR890 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-1.png) | DDR940 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-2.png) | DDR980 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-3.png) | DDR1020 :: 2.30v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-4.png) | DDR1050 :: 2.40v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-5.png) | DDR1070 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-6.png) | DDR1090 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-7.png)

AMD:
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DDR958 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-8.png) | DDR1000 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-9.png) | DDR1040 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-10.png) | DDR1080 :: 2.33v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-11.png) | DDR1140 :: 2.42v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-12.png)


4-4-4-8:
Intel:
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DDR940 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-1.png) | DDR1000 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-2.png) | DDR1050 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-3.png) | DDR1090 :: 2.30v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-4.png) | DDR1120 :: 2.40v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-5.png) | DDR1160 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-6.png) | DDR1180 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-7.png)

The 4-4-3-4 results on my P5B-Dlx were not what I was expecting so I played with the primary timings a little bit and found quickly that this kit just doesn't like TRP of 3 that much. I probably could have ran these overclocks at 4-4-4-5 but I started with a TRAS of 8 and just left it there. This kit simply screams on the P5B-Dlx with this timing set...much like it does at 4-4-3-5 on AM2 like we just saw.


5-5-5-8:
Intel:
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DDR1150 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-1.png) | DDR1180 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-2.png) | DDR1210 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-3.png)

This is where the road got rough. Anything past 605MHz wouldn't stabalize regardless of memory voltage, or secondary timings available in the BIOS. I will continue with the 5-5-5 clocks at a later date because they will take some time to get past DDR1210. It could be a chipset issue but the P5B-Dlx should be able to plow through these clocks so I am not about to give up.

AMD:
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DDR1080 :: 2.00v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-8.png) | DDR1160 :: 2.10v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-9.png) | DDR1220 :: 2.20v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/555x-10.png)

At 3050MHz, my CPU/IMC runs out of gas. No amount of drive strength/secondary timings tweaking or voltage will get me dual 32M stable at 3100MHz/DDR1240. I can prime all day at 3100MHz with the memory on a lower divider with this CPU but at DDR1240, dual SPi is a pipe dream so I suspect it is an IMC issue as this memory kit clearly has plenty of legs left. I think it is a coincidence that the memory fizzles out at DDR1220ish on both Intel and AM2, but I could easily be wrong and this could just be the wall for the memory without a crazy amount of voltage.

[3oh6]

the bench rigs are going crazy right now with memory so i had to pull this kit in favour of a Crucial and OCZ kit but i will get some 2.5v and 2.6v testing done within a week or less.

also, don't hesitate to ask for anything specific that you want to see from this kit, i will do my best to fulfill all requests.

[Exedy]

wow..very nice review man...really nice ;)

[fhpchris]

My set also seems to do about 435 @ cas3 on 2.4v :)

[[XC] DragonOrta]

Nice review. It makes me wish I had asked for these sticks for X-mas. :D

[Movieman]

Excellent photo's!!! What camera are you using to take those?

[Lithan]

Nice results, @ 2.1v ~ the same as my d9 fatbody's at 4-3-3-9. Makes me wish I had the cpu to give em some voltage and see some of those 525mhz clocks.

[Noob-ftw]

Very nice review. I'll be pushing mine like that when I get the chance.

[3oh6]

thanx guys, it is nice to finally get my hands on some great sticks...i have been hunting for a while. i hate having to spend this much for a good kit but in the end, i think it was worth every penny. plus, i deserved a christmas present from myself, i've been "relatively" good this year :D

@MM - camera is a Canon 20D with 28mm F/1.8 lens, there might be a shot or two in there with the 85mm F/1.8 as well. keep in mind though, this kind of stuff can be taken with a lot less camera, most even possible with a P&S. you just need a few sheets of $0.99 poster board, a tripod, and a nice big window ;)

i desperately need a macro lens and will likely be investing in one in the future not too far away hopefully.

[ozzimark]

and a nice big window ;)
indeed, or a 100-300w halogen bulb will suffice if window is lacking :p:

nice results there... i'm quite jealous, it rivals the best of my 2x512mb kits, and.. well, it's bigger! :banana:

[Movieman]

thanx guys, it is nice to finally get my hands on some great sticks...i have been hunting for a while. i hate having to spend this much for a good kit but in the end, i think it was worth every penny. plus, i deserved a christmas present from myself, i've been "relatively" good this year :D

@MM - camera is a Canon 20D with 28mm F/1.8 lens, there might be a shot or two in there with the 85mm F/1.8 as well. keep in mind though, this kind of stuff can be taken with a lot less camera, most even possible with a P&S. you just need a few sheets of $0.99 poster board, a tripod, and a nice big window ;)

i desperately need a macro lens and will likely be investing in one in the future not too far away hopefully.
Truly impressive sharpness on those pics!:toast:
Now,Can I get that kind of sharpness from my Canon A70 or is it time to buy a new camera?:D

[3oh6]

nice results there... i'm quite jealous, it rivals the best of my 2x512mb kits, and.. well, it's bigger! :banana:
well it's about time, i have been jealous of those 2x512mb kits for a long time now, and that Sempron memory controller. i feel very fortunate for getting this kit but your probably going to hate me soon when i post results from a Crucial PC5300 C3 kit i just got...i have only just started the clocking but results are getting close to this kit :eek:


Truly impressive sharpness on those pics!:toast:
Now,Can I get that kind of sharpness from my Canon A70 or is it time to buy a new camera?:D
hehe, thanx but i can't let you think my camera does all the work because the RAW files that come from the camera don't look like that. i learned a long time ago that digital cameras aren't good at processing photos...Photoshop is. i turn as much in-camera processing off and the 20D is left to just capture the light and as much data as it can.

that sharpness, color, and image quality comes from a very intense and exhaustive workflow. people who say processing in Photoshop is cheating are not professional phtographers ;)

chances are that you can make just as good photos with that A70 of yours. the key is to diasble as much processing (if possible) and capturing as much data as you can with good "clean" light. white balance is another important aspect when photographing but with your A70 i am not sure of limitations there so you might need to step it up for more ocntrol. don't hesitate to fire me a PM for some tips if you are wanting to improve product photos...i will dig up specs on the A70 and see what we can make that thing do.

[LittleDevil]

very nice review man and great pictures too ;)

regards

[3oh6]

thanx LD...your pictures always look so nice too. your subject matter just happens to be much better looking, those units you build are crazy beautiful :)

no update on the clocking report yet, my P5B-Dlx has a list of hardware it has to get through first, but last night i took some time out from working and had a little fun with dry ice and my Mousepot®. as you might have guessed, this TEAM Group 6400 C3 kit of memory was the star of the show. here are a couple photos of the setup and some SPi fun that was powered by this incredible kit:

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http://www.3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/e6600dryice-1/setup-1sm.jpg (http://www.3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/e6600dryice-1/setup-1.jpg) http://www.3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/e6600dryice-1/setup-3sm.jpg (http://www.3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/e6600dryice-1/setup-3.jpg)


SPi 1M - 528*9 - 4757MHz - 1:1 DDR1055 @ 2.30v - 10.672sec
again, i probably didn't need this much VDIMM but i wanted to make sure i was feeding the sticks enough juice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/ocx/629b_e6600/1m_529x9-1.png


SPi 32M - 577*8 - 4617MHz - 1:1 DDR1154 @ 2.60v 4-4-4-5 - 11m 17.547
i probably didn't need near that much VDIMM but i didn't have much dry ice left at this point and didn't want to chance having to strat the run over again.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/ocx/629b_e6600/32m_577x8-1sm.png (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/ocx/629b_e6600/32m_577x8-1.png)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Very nie review, and as I know youve heard enough of those pics are some of the best ive seen, makes me feel like I can touch em in reality..

577 4-4-4 is also nice :)
any chance of maxing cpu and showing diff of max ram @ 4-4-4 and maybe max of 3-3-3 close to the same cpu speed?

[RPGWiZaRD]

Thanks for the review

Nice RAM, I've seriously considered Team group RAM if I switch to a Conroe setup, overall I see very nice results of these CL3 but also CL4 PC6400 sticks.

I wish more manufacturers would ship the RAM sticks and heatspreaders separated, I usually put a fan or fans on the sticks anyways so.

[3oh6]

thanx guys...I finally got a few minutes to run thse 6400 C3s at 2.5v and 2.6v on the Intel setup. 3-3-3-8, 4-4-3-4, and 4-4-4-8 got updated. Unfortunately, 5-5-5-8 just wouldn't go any further regardless of voltage. I know it isn't a board issue as I can run other sticks up to DDR1280 Prime stable on the 2:3 divider so these sticks just don't want to go past DDR1220 I guess.


3-3-3-8:
Intel:
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DDR890 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-6.png) | DDR910 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/333x-7.png)

first post has been updated with these results. i will try to get these sticks over to the AM2 setup for final testing but there is a whole pile of memory here waiting to be tested so it might not happen.

4-4-3-4/5:
Intel:
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DDR1070 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-6.png) | DDR1090 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/443x-7.png)


4-4-4-8:
Intel:
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DDR1160 :: 2.50v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-6.png) | DDR1180 :: 2.60v (http://3oh6.com/forum_posted/ocx/team6400c3/444x-7.png)

[hipro5]

Gee M8!......You're searching things with much detail there......:) :toast: