Bye Bye Netburst

[[XC] riptide]

Well one of my 'hosts' was talking to me on the phone and mentioned the Power Bill... well the figure of €350 owed was mentioned! Ha ha i said you gotta be kidding. So I'll have more details later on this evening, but if it's true, i'm afraid all Netbursts will have to go. Time for Rippy to seek out more efficient crunching means.

Now I have this S3 thats gonna get 'retired' from my main rig because of FSB wall at 360-370. Anyone for Kentsfield @ 3.6-3.7 :D

[[XC] riptide]

Baaahhh it was only because the readings were estimated on the meter for the last 6 months. So its only €150.... phew!!!!1

But I still can't get the idea of 'lil Kent out of my head! Damn what have I started.

[[XC]melymel]

Glad to hear there still good to go :up: That's the main problem with netbursts for DC the power they require! the old 805 I had was a great cruncher but cost more than double to run than a high clocked X2 at the time :rolleyes:. :toast:

[[XC] riptide]

So does anyone have any advice on what quad should I get? Q6600 vs X3210?
X3210 in the S3? (S3 is not FSB limited anymore. :)) Must look up OC experiences with each.

[Paladin]

I'd wait til Q2 when the Core2Quads will dip into the US$500 range. Maybe sooner if Intel gets scared by AMD's Feb 22nd cuts.

[[XC] gomeler]

965p chipset is the way to go with the kentsfield's. I think the Q6600 will in the end clock higher giving you the chance for 3.5+ GHz stable with proper cooling but then again the xeon is roughly $150 cheaper than the Q6600 which could potentially be a huge difference. I'd say research it but I personally would go with the Xeon, especially if they clock anything like the E6400 (same FSB x multiplier). The more cores the merrier :)

[[XC] flat-four]

I agree. It will be nice when the non qx procs drop to the right range. My kent was $80 above the qx6600, so it was no question which one to get. Once the qx6600 and lower drop more, I'll be replacing my farm with those

[[XC] DragonOrta]

So does anyone have any advice on what quad should I get? Q6600 vs X3210?
X3210 in the S3? (S3 is not FSB limited anymore. :)) Must look up OC experiences with each.
S3 is able to OC quad? Past 350fsb?

[[XC] riptide]

S3 is able to OC quad? Past 350fsb?
I don't see why not. When I got a new E6600 I get 435x9 and just tried 490x8:) But do you reckon the powerplant on the S3 wouldn't hold?

EDIT: He he I do realise that quad may not hit 435/490 but the point been that DS3/S3 are not all that bad. I reckon if I drop the multi again in the E6600 I'd hit >500FSB without a sweat.

[[XC] DragonOrta]

The reason I asked about the quad is because most boards seem to have a problem getting them over 350fsb. I know that the P5B-Deluxe is the best for quad OCing ATM. 680i gets walled at ~350fsb, although I'm not sure how 975x does.

[[XC] riptide]

The reason I asked about the quad is because most boards seem to have a problem getting them over 350fsb. I know that the P5B-Deluxe is the best for quad OCing ATM. 680i gets walled at ~350fsb, although I'm not sure how 975x does.
Right. So that'll have to be Q6600. 350 x 9 = 3.15Ghz. Hmm. Or for decent speed QX6700. Baaah... but I won't spend as much as that.

[[XC] riptide]

sO... I got meself a cheap pressler 945 to replace the Celly 352. 'Dual Core, Do More' and all that.

Take 1 - Drop it into place, hit 4.1Ghz on default vcore loaded. Laugh at 350W PSU as i up vcore. Yaaa... reboots straight away.... ha ha PSU.

Teke 2 - So drop in 550 W Antec Truepower. Up vcore... not bad stays with it.

But kinda hit a wall then.With small vcore increases i can't really get a lot higher. And I'm finda a hard time using the search button here getting loads of data on these.

Anyone here using a pressler (still). They seem to really take the power! The truepower is actually getting mildly warm which it never done on the DX.

Cooling is Akasa EVO thinging, 6 heatpipes, AL plates , fan, etc etc keeps chip at full load at about 60C.

So question, what should I expect from a D0 rev/step Pressler 945? How many Volts should I blast through it.

All on the S3 with NB cooled with a fan. I'm away from said machine atm so I can try things later. Cheers. Oh has anyone done a kilowat test on one of these.?

[[XC]melymel]

I'm slightly past sober so here's my best shot :p: the presler's 65nm so 1.55v vcore should be fine for 24/7 but it most likely will become unstable due to high temps before it's in danger of dying by overvolting it. I'm not sure on how high they'll clock but I think it should easily be capable of 4.5ghz on air. As for the TP 550W replacing the stock fan does wonders the stock one is crap!

:toast:

P.S. what are you going to do with the 352? :D

[[XC] riptide]

Hey Mely, are you a little tipsy after watching Ireland rape England in Rugby today. ha ha Yous got PWNED. I was drunk too.

So ya. I'll try higher vcore when I get back to it.

As for the Celly, I did offer it to a guy for 60Euro, on a local forum. He hasn't replied yet. I could cut a deal for a fellow XS 'DC Addict'

PS Your :cheers: sign off is starting to become real life.. alco.

:)

EDIT: Check out my hwbot for shots for the Celly 352.

[[XC]melymel]

Hey Mely, are you a little tipsy after watching Ireland rape England in Rugby today. ha ha Yous got PWNED. I was drunk too.

So ya. I'll try higher vcore when I get back to it.

As for the Celly, I did offer it to a guy for 60Euro, on a local forum. He hasn't replied yet. I could cut a deal for a fellow XS 'DC Addict'

PS Your :cheers: sign off is starting to become real life.. alco.

:)

EDIT: Check out my hwbot for shots for the Celly 352.

PWNED!?!? I reckon it was all just an act so that none of the irish fans murdered the english when they left the stadium after kicking ass when playing at normal form :p:. J/K I actually stopped watching the game when ireland were ahead by double figures (near the start :() and got back to benchmarking and well at <10C alcohol helps keep ya warm :D.

If you have a figure in mind for the 352 pm me and i'll get back to you tommorow or i'll pm you if I remember, (I have learnt the hard way to never deal with money in any state less than sober :p:)

:toast: (the :toast: is my polite but informal ending to a post not in anyway associated to my actual alcohol consumption ;) and sadly you are far from the first to call me an alcoholic :rofl:)

[[XC] gomeler]

Wait! Wasn't this post originally about getting rid of netburst? I'm confused :p: Too bad that 352 is out across the pond, I've love to give it a kick in the teeth and shoot for 5+ GHz :p:

[[XC] riptide]

Yes... It is... but see.. I went straight from 478's (Northwoods, Prescotts, Gallatins, Xeons) straight to 775 E6600. I want a little run around the other 775's I missed before I say goodbye. So Its gonna be the Pressler, until QUAD Core comes to town. I couldn't turn it down... like €50 for a 945!!! Mind you it refuses to be stable above 4.1Ghz regardles of vcore. Probably a good thing maybe..,. keep the power bill down. This thing is probably sucking 200W as it is.

EDIT Xeon isn't 478 but you get the idea.

[Movieman]

would love to see you with a wood or clover system..
Oh the joy, the output,the cost!:eek:
But it's fate my friend, clover and Irish, how can you NOT get one!:D

[[XC] riptide]

would love to see you with a wood or clover system..
Oh the joy, the output,the cost!:eek:
But it's fate my friend, clover and Irish, how can you NOT get one!:D
Hey, whats the power consumption of the Dual Clover do you think? Tomorrow I'll be handing in my resignation and starting a new job soon with MORE $$$$

If I can justify the Power cost vs DC production then capital expediture will be a moot point.

[Movieman]

Hey, whats the power consumption of the Dual Clover do you think? Tomorrow I'll be handing in my resignation and starting a new job soon with MORE $$$$

If I can justify the Power cost vs DC production then capital expediture will be a moot point.
A guess, and totally a guess is that it pulls a constant 400-450 watts..
At least I hope it's that low!:D
Using PCP+C 610 Silencers and show a full 12v on the +12 line and no warming of the PSU at all.

[[XC] gomeler]

Well considering at 3.6GHz my E6400 + 7900GTO + 965 chipset + 2GB of ram eats 201 watts, I'd say adding 6 more cores would easily eat though 400 watts :p: Got a killawatt lying around?

[[XC] riptide]

Well considering at 3.6GHz my E6400 + 7900GTO + 965 chipset + 2GB of ram eats 201 watts, I'd say adding 6 more cores would easily eat though 400 watts :p: Got a killawatt lying around?
No... but Hipro might throw together some crazy one for me (you guys ever see his homemade PSU thread.... crazy!)

See Dave, a few DX's, a Pressler, northwoods etc eats far more than 400W together and prolly have a hard time competing with the Dual Clover setup on its own. (My highest sustained WCG was 19-20k per day incl E6600) Dual clover, 25k / day? I've already estimated that a single quad core at todays prices, would pay itself back in 10 months in Power savings, here anyway.

[Movieman]

Well considering at 3.6GHz my E6400 + 7900GTO + 965 chipset + 2GB of ram eats 201 watts, I'd say adding 6 more cores would easily eat though 400 watts :p: Got a killawatt lying around?
I'm talking pure cruncher here, cheapo ATI X550 vid card and one hard drive.
I'll have to get a meter and check. Now you got my curiousity going.
Yes, the dual clover at 3200 puts out over 26K a day..well over..:)

[[XC] riptide]

OK! Is there anywhere that I can see a review/cpmparison of all 775 based Quad cores?

[[XC] riptide]

Netburst Clearout almost complete. So far raised $1,145 on ebay. Ok so not taking out fees...but

2 x PC-DL's (one modded)

2 x 1.6Ghz Xeons

2 x 2.0Ghz Xeons

1 x Abit IC7-Max3 (went for over $300 :shock:)

1 x 3.4 D1 Northwood

1 x 3.2 ES Prescott. :) Very happy!

Just have a Pressler left to shift now later next week. Not bad eh?

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

get it yet?

[[XC] riptide]

get it yet?:stick: Quad coming 12k around the world takes longer than a few days Scott!

[Movieman]

:stick: Quad coming 12k around the world takes longer than a few days Scott!

So what do you have coming?:D
Nosy Dave;)

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

:stick: Quad coming 12k around the world takes longer than a few days Scott!

Hop on a plane and go get it :D

[[XC] riptide]

So what do you have coming?:D
Nosy Dave;)

sssshhhhh don't tell Dave.! :D

[Movieman]

sssshhhhh don't tell Dave.! :D

:slap: :slapass: :stick: :nono:

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Pics of your daughter and you get the secret David :D

[Movieman]

Pics of your daughter and you get the secret David :D

Ok, if thats what it takes. Here she is with 2 of her friends a few years ago::ROTF:

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Wow she looks soooo familiar :rofl:

[Movieman]

Wow she looks soooo familiar :rofl:

Damn? You met her huh? She never mentioned it to me.:p:

[Nanometer]

All I have to say is....:party:

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Damn? You met her huh? She never mentioned it to me.:p:

Can I call you dad, I mean Mr. McDerment :rofl: she was hot back then. Still no prize for you. I want a real pic. You have my PM and E-mail both you know, Dad I mean, ahh you know what I mean :woot:

[Movieman]

Can I call you dad, I mean Mr. McDerment :rofl: she was hot back then. Still no prize for you. I want a real pic. You have my PM and E-mail both you know, Dad I mean, ahh you know what I mean :woot:

Forget it, ain't gonna happen Capt'n...;)

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Forget it, ain't gonna happen Capt'n...;)

Worth a shot. :toast: You would be proud to have me as a son-in-law for a little bit anyway :D :rofl:

[[XC] riptide]

Hey you guys! Get out of me thread! :) Messers !

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

Hey you guys! Get out of me thread! :) Messers !

You ever see a thread stay OT for more than 5 posts in the DC section? I didn't think so :rofl:

[littleowl]

come on rip this thread is getting better by the min! :)

[[XC] riptide]

I'm waiting on the damn post man! Then the Dogs will be released!

[[XC] mysticmerlin]

You got a tracking # ? It will be like x-mass all over again :)

[[XC] riptide]

mysticmerlin;2081784']You got a tracking # ? It will be like x-mass all over again :)

Yes tracking number here.

[[XC] riptide]

THEW QUADMASTER HAS ARRIVED. I'd love to show ye a few screenies, but I decided to mess around with it and ended up corrupting windows. So I'l;l be cloning a HD tomorrow and off we go again.:) I will say this....... I had her rock stable 4 x SOB at ........... 375FSB x 8 (3.0Ghz). I'll presume thats a good FSB to be able to get to. FSB wall was my first priority. The I had her at 350x9 for a while. All on 1.35-1.37 volts. Temps on coretemp were ~70C. water loop not arrived yet, so its all on Evo 88 (heatpipe x 6 thingy with ducted fan)

[[XC] DragonOrta]

SoB x 4? I thought you threatened me in Dpad with the Quadmaster.


:p:

[[XC] riptide]

DragonOrta;2092686']SoB x 4? I thought you threatened me in Dpad with the Quadmaster.


:p:

DPAD is very inefficient on multi cores I think..... so to test this biatch.. I'll be running orthos, or SOB x 4.

I'll keep you at bay with a core or 2.. don't worry my friend.

EDIT: Well its not VERY ineffiecient, but it never uses my C2D to its max... I presume quad will be the same.

[[XC] DragonOrta]

That's why I run Dpad at N, and then have LLRNet running in the background, grabbing the extra ~10&#37; that Dpad passes up on.

[Movieman]

I guess I could offer up a suggestion as to where to try that beeeeeech out but I'll be a gentleman and just congratulate you..:D
:woot: :woot: :woot: Rip has quadcore! :woot: :woot: :woot:
Hide the women and children,the dogs are loose!;)

[[XC] riptide]

:woot: I know I'm really happy. If I can get her at 390/400 x 9 once water comes I'll be happy. But I have a whole load of benching to do aswell. Too much fun, so little time.! :)

[SoF]

most expensive on my cruching rig is (was) the cooling :hehe: Netburst can't be as expensive as extreme cooling :p:
200W just for keeping it subzero, should have run another cruncher for that electricity :eek:
If I calculate the money, it has at least caused 100€ of my 333€ power bill I had to pay in december '06 ;)

[[XC] riptide]

Still pushing..... still pushing... on air at the moment.

For anyone thats interested. at 1.42vcore, 1 HD, 1 PCI card, S3 965 and 4 x SOB testing it uses a steady 229W. Just bought a kill-a-watt today. :)

[jimwah]

Nice setup rip, eats about the same amount of power as my DX2800 used to - can't be bad :up:

[[XC] riptide]

Nice setup rip, eats about the same amount of power as my DX2800 used to - can't be bad :up:

Jimway... my DX1.6LV @ 3.15 1.55vcore use about 180W at full load! :eek: I was saying to myself, for 40-50 Watts more, I'd power a Quad for the same power usage. Have my last DX on the same power line. Now I might add that I should really take 15W away from those figures for a Switch that was plugged in the same line.


I hope these figures put into perspective to all crunchers viewing the thread that it is worth considering selling off non Core 2 stuff, and certainly ALL single core PC's in preference for multi core setups.

To the younger guys... prices are dropping around the corner... even if you have to be doing without crunching for a period of time as you save for a new rig... do it. Your parents and your power bill will be happier. And for more DC production. Win both ways.

I'm seriusly thinking of selling the remaining PCH-DL DX setup to help fund another Quad.

[fhpchris]

P4 631 @ 1.62v = same idle power usage as 3.3ghz/1.38v QX6700.
631 @ 4500 does wprime 32m @ 74sec
QX6700 @ 3915 does it in 10 seconds.

Quad is the way to go ;)

[[XC] riptide]

P4 631 @ 1.62v = same idle power usage as 3.3ghz/1.38v QX6700.
631 @ 4500 does wprime 32m @ 74sec
QX6700 @ 3915 does it in 10 seconds.

Quad is the way to go ;)

QFT^

[[XC] riptide]

Right. So ordered another DS3 after I nuked one of the ram channels in the S3. Quad needs all the bandwith it can get, and single channel mode just won't do.

I also eventually found a site arond these parts selling Apogee's. However they were sold out of the regular ones... so i had to treat myself to a GTX.

Am i right in saying that a quad would suffer much more than a duallie with limited bandwidth? What should I run in this handicapped S3. i mean its still a good board actually, less the channel problem?

I wonder what apps would be ok and not feel performance hit on single channel mode.

[KaptainBlaZzed]

keep on pushing that kent. I stuck my kent in a P5B Dlx and got it stable @ 3.4 with 1.5 volts :woot:

what temps are you getting with your kent at load?

http://kaptain.no-ip.org/images/3.4kent.jpg

[[XC] gomeler]

bahhh those chips are just screaming for sub-zero and 3.8GHz 24/7 stable :p: Glad to see you got it up and running, I don't know how effective single channel vs dual channel is but if you'd like I can try and simulate a kentsfield with my E6400 + stupid clocks? If anything it'll shed light on how important bandwidth is to dual-cores, I know they help with SPi but I don't know how important they are for crunching. Experiment I will.

edit: KB, you have GHz instead of MHz in your sig for all your machines, might want to change that ;)

[[XC] riptide]

Kaptain! Nice screenie. I'm particularly impressed with the FSB. On a mid range air cooler for now, lapped IHS, temps are about 5C hotter than yours at 100&#37; load and 1.42 (set in bios). :rollseyes:


Gomeler - Sub Zero? 3.8? :lol: This chip has been verified at >4.2Ghz on a SS. I'll be expecting 3.8Ghz when the apogee arrives. With some luck anyways.

[fhpchris]

My QX6700 is stable @ wprime 1024m @ 3910/1.5v

Orthos..um,no.

[[XC] riptide]

3.5Ghz, first boot with apogee GTX. Ghetto pics coming also. http://www.hwbot.org/listResults.do?applicationId=14&teamId=3&filterUser=true

[[XC] riptide]

Dayum I'm a messy Bastage! :woot:

[[XC] DragonOrta]

Are you using the fatter o-ring on that GTX?

[[XC] riptide]

DragonOrta;2136043']Are you using the fatter o-ring on that GTX?

Fatter? :confused: I used 2 o-rings with the barbs.

[[XC] DragonOrta]

riptide;2136073']Fatter? :confused: I used 2 o-rings with the barbs.

Did you get a separate larger o-ring that looks like it would fit in the block? That'll give the block a bowed base, which performs better than the regular base.

[[XC] riptide]

DragonOrta;2136135']Did you get a separate larger o-ring that looks like it would fit in the block? That'll give the block a bowed base, which performs better than the regular base.

Ah yes I did! I didn't use it. I'll take your advice however. I was just a bit anxious to get the whole thing up and running... new mobo and block came same time and I was short on time.

Oh and the orange hose in the picture is used for pumping out stomachs of cattle. (Dads GF is a retired Vetinarian )

EDIT: Dragon, the Quad is lapped... would I still need the large O ring?

[jimwah]

riptide;2136818']
Oh and the orange hose in the picture is used for pumping out stomachs of cattle.

:D Nice touch rip, looks like you're having fun.

[[XC]melymel]

Did you not recieve the tubing from me yet? :confused:

[[XC] DragonOrta]

riptide;2136818']Ah yes I did! I didn't use it. I'll take your advice however. I was just a bit anxious to get the whole thing up and running... new mobo and block came same time and I was short on time.

Oh and the orange hose in the picture is used for pumping out stomachs of cattle. (Dads GF is a retired Vetinarian )

EDIT: Dragon, the Quad is lapped... would I still need the large O ring?

You don't need it, but it should give you at least 3c better temps if you use it.

If you do use it, I'd suggest rubbing some of the included thermal paste on it, as it's very hard to get the o-ring to stay in the groove in the top without the paste on it. I spent about 30 minutes trying to get the o-ring into my Apogee GT, rubbed some of the paste on it, and it took about 3 minutes.

[[XC] riptide]

melymel2789;2137322']Did you not recieve the tubing from me yet? :confused:

Nope! When did you send it? A cow died because OF YOU!!! :D

OH BTW benched @ 3.6Ghz on prime32. Getting hard to get 3.7Ghz and over. I need to find a measuring point for vcore. The board actually screws up when you select any higher than 1.59. Keyboard won't work in windows etc.. all this crazy stuff. Speedfan is reporting about .05 less than bios selects and Easytune is reporting different again. So TBH I'm not really sure what actual is but its between 1.52-1.57 :confused: But I must say, I'm VERY impressed with the 2x120 Ghetto setup and the Apogee GTX. Very impressed.

This chip from the outset was gonna be a toughie.. Has a FSB ceiling of about
370 bench and been a B1 didn't help. But things are looking well. She's rock stable at 3.4. If I can get that to 3.6Ghz, I'll be a happy man. Temps on full Prime95 small FFTs between 59C and 63C Coretemp 94 @ 3.4Ghz. Time to fine tune it upwards...

[[XC] riptide]

OK.! So got the second QX6700 B3 retail. Put under the same setup as above.

400 * 9 = 3600 without a sweat. 1.52 set in Bios. (1.50 real I think) 100% stable it turns out. This think will go further. It really needs a lapping. And that will happen at the weekend.

I can see 3.8-4.0Ghz wprime benches on the horizon.

Nice FSB too. All on the DS3 Rev. 3.3 F8i BIOS.

[Helheim]

Think an Enzotech ULTRA-X is a good cooler for a quad core? I need something that will fit in a 4U case.

[[XC] riptide]

Think an Enzotech ULTRA-X is a good cooler for a quad core? I need something that will fit in a 4U case.

Haven't a clue mate. :confused: