T-Bred Massive Overclock Sighting

[OPPAINTER]

Here's a Guide to unlock your XP2200 chip if it won't post on your Mobo,
Particularly the Abit .
http://64.247.35.92/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1261

1.90 volts




T-Bred 2200+ GIVE AWAY !!! (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1301)

[AndrOvr]

NicE!
Now lets hope that it will run 3dmark at that speed ;)

[Hardass]

Outstanding. Here we go!:toast:

[AndrOvr]

OPP,
what cpu temp u have w this Tbred?
And what cooling are u usinG?

[NorthernYankee]

Nice work Opp, And I will bet he is using his R404A chiller.

--NY

[OPPAINTER]

All we have to do is speed up this Forum:D
Its to slow, I'm going back to Overclocking for a while, Ill be back:)

OPP

[AndrOvr]

Originally posted by NorthernYankee
Nice work Opp, And I will bet he is using his R404A chiller.

--NY

+226w tec :D

If soo... then he can improve a bit more w his MX-EVA3 :D

[OPPAINTER]

220 pelt and 8c chilled water. Temps are about -18 to 8c or so. Yea I think it could go higher with the MX-Eva.

OPP

[AKRedneck]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
All we have to do is speed up this Forum:D
Its to slow, I'm going back to Overclocking for a while, Ill be back:)

OPP

Nice Result!! :D

I see you still have all your L2 cache..:)

[LORD]

Schweeeet!:D

Lookin forward to some good results.

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by AKRedneck


Nice Result!! :D

I see you still have all your L2 cache..:)

L2 is no problem, these chips don't like enough voltage to get into L2 Trouble. To get Your mobo to work with the T-bred is a problem though:)

OPP

[Chong345]

nice OPP
sweet, whats the stepping on that chip

[AKRedneck]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER


....To get Your mobo to work with the T-bred is a problem though:)

OPP

I'm assuming it'll work fine with the KR7 if the #1,3 & 5 L3 bridges are connected as discussed in the guide..?.

I hope so cause it's almost buy time on that chip i'm thinking..

and btw, excellent job to you all that contributed on the unlocking guide...that rocks! :toast:

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Chong345
nice OPP
sweet, whats the stepping on that chip

You won't believe this but i forgot to right it down :D

OPP

[Hardass]

Thats alright OPP you have had a very busy day.

[MrIcee]

Heres a little goodness from the land of Icee at 1.95v:)

[Kurupt]

Very nice guys keep up the good work... hope that someone can hit 2.4ghz soon =]

[NorthernYankee]

Hey MrIcee,

How do you get the AGP and VMem in MBM 5, I have never seen that before.

--NY

[OPPAINTER]

Check it out at stock 1.65 volts :D

[MrIcee]

They are listed under different voltages..like -12v or one of the unused ones...I just relabled them to reflect the correct reading. You need to let all the voltage boxes be seen..then you'll see what voltages are displayed..its not hard to figure out what the AGP and memory are even mislabeled. The just change the names and you're good to go:)

Randi :D

[xgman]

The simple L3 closing worked for my KX7. Thanks. because this chip runs so hot, how high should I set voltage on Air cooling only (Swiftech) and what should it be capable of?

[OPPAINTER]

xgman,

Hard to tell, this chip doesn't like any over 2.0 and thats with cold temps even. I'd stay low.

1.75v

OPP

[Leo]

Excellent, too bad I just sold off my KX7-333...

I wouldn't suppose a certain OPPAINTER-blessed 2.26B chip is up for sale eh? :D

[freeloader]

Yee haw. I was saying a long time ago, that guys like OPPAINTER and MRICEE would get killer OC's from the new Tbreds. I predicted 2400MHz, so I was damn close. Oppainter, do you think you could possibly push further with your MX-EVA3?
Congratulations to yourself and MRICEE. Well done.

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Leo
Excellent, too bad I just sold off my KX7-333...

I wouldn't suppose a certain OPPAINTER-blessed 2.26B chip is up for sale eh? :D

I'll be over clocking that one next week:D

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by freeloader
Oppainter, do you think you could possibly push further with your MX-EVA3?
Congratulations to yourself and MRICEE. Well done.

Yes I think the MX-Eva would get this chip a good 50Mhz higher.
In fact this is DDTUNGs chip and I will be sending to him next week, he will be puting it on a MX-Eva cooler.

I'd like to thank a few people why I'm nameing names:D
First to the Owners of XtremeSytems for getting me the chip so Quickly. Both Kurupt and PLaiNGoD2 :) Thanks for the hussal Yesterday Guys :)
And a big thanks to DaGoochMeister for delivering the chip at 3:30 in the Morning and then again at 7:00 because no was awake at 3:30 :D

Thanks guys the chip is fun and we'll do some 3D later:D

OPP

[KnightElite]

Hey, first post here, just wanting to congratulate you guys on the great OCes. I usually read the [H], and I would like to thank OPP for posting his OC up there for all to see :D.

[OPPAINTER]

KnightElite,

Welcome to Xtreme :toast:


A little 1.8 volt action while I'm at it..

[OPPAINTER]

These little cores get hot with high voltage, they would need some big time cooling to stay stable under stress at 2 volts plus.

[Kurupt]

Thnx opp. I do everything in my power to help out the team =P

[OPPAINTER]

Your a good man Kurupt, thanks again. :)

Heres one for Xtreme :D

[Sayajin]

wow opp! nicely done!!
i cant wait till these babies arrive in australia!!!
what stepping is that chip you have there opp?

[sysfailur]

MMMmmm 2.38ghz.... Great job OPP and Ice... I'll be looking forward to try and compete with your overclocks :)

[JBELL]

Originally posted by Kurupt
Thnx opp. I do everything in my power to help out the team =P


:banana: :toast: :banana: Copy that... same here guys! :banana: :toast: :banana:

[arkan]

this is my first post here and i just wanted to say great job


i do need some info though ive got an xp2200 tbred i havent even used yet bc im waiting for a new psu i figured they would run hot bc theres let surface area to make contact with any cooling device you use so ive been trying to come up with a decnt cooling setup. would 2 226 watt peltiers side by side on a silbver cold plate be enough cooling in your opinion? the wc setup to cool the pelts came from a 4 way alpha server and easily removed all the heat the 4 alphas produced and with the tbred im thinking of sticking the radiator inside a 4' by 5' deep frzzer i have. if this is thread crapping i appologize . i just foigured if you guys got those sorta results you were the ones to ask

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by JBELL



:banana: :toast: :banana: Copy that... same here guys! :banana: :toast: :banana:

This banana is getting lots of useage!

:banana: :banana: :banana:

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by arkan
this is my first post here and i just wanted to say great job


i do need some info though ive got an xp2200 tbred i havent even used yet bc im waiting for a new psu i figured they would run hot bc theres let surface area to make contact with any cooling device you use so ive been trying to come up with a decnt cooling setup. would 2 226 watt peltiers side by side on a silbver cold plate be enough cooling in your opinion? the wc setup to cool the pelts came from a 4 way alpha server and easily removed all the heat the 4 alphas produced and with the tbred im thinking of sticking the radiator inside a 4' by 5' deep frzzer i have. if this is thread crapping i appologize . i just foigured if you guys got those sorta results you were the ones to ask

arkan

Welcome to Xtreme.

Sounds like a good idea to me, If you can get the 2 pelts to fit in the socket area. I hear that Gabe at Swiftech is designing a dual pelt block:D I'm using one pelt and it works just fine with the T-bred.

OPP

[RichBa5tard]

Amazing! :D

Now go and kick some P4-ass in 3D Mark OPP! :toast:

[Bravo]

OPP, you wouldnt happen to have the stepping information?

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Majestik
OPP, you wouldnt happen to have the stepping information?

I sure don't, I completely forgot to right it down this time. I'll be taking the chip out in a few days and I'll post it up.

OPP

[JCviggen]

Great stuff OPP ! :)

Havent been here much since its slow as hell but good to see the Tbreds in action. Its obvious they dont like too high voltage. I'd be careful and not try 2V+ too much. A lot of ppl have killed .13 Northwoods with "only" 2V and a bit and it doesnt take weeks... so be careful with that chip :)
I'll be looking forward to some 3D scores ! I dont think 200 MHz CPU speed is going to close the gap top your P4 but it should get close.

[OPPAINTER]

As far as 3D I can only run it at about 2300, only 90Mhz better then my 2100 plus my G4 does 10mhz less then the one I had with the 2100 chip. I won't be breaking any 3D records:D
I will take down My buddy DJ though, always a pleasure :D

When DDTUNG gets this chip he should be able to do better with it useing a MX-EVA and sould get some good 3d scores with it.

OPP

[Sayajin]

OPP did u already bench it yet?
if so can ya post a compare as im curious to see how you went with this new chip..

[AndrOvr]

Score... (http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3769216)

Nice duron u got there :p

[chainbolt]

congratulation! Maybe Tbreds are not as bad for overclocking as the first reports were telling?

[N8]

good stuff... :)

congrats icee & opp!

[MrIcee]

Thanks [N8] :)

I'll have more to contribute in the days to come. I'll be installing a fresh KX7 and getting my chiller temps colder. I was benching at -25c yesterday. Now that we know that they don't lose L2 cache because of xtreme cold temps and lower Vcore...I'll see what I can squeeze out of mine in the coming days.

OPP has done just a top notch job as always getting 2380Mhz out of his T-Bred. I don't believe I'll approach that as he is sustaining much colder temps with his pelt setup than I can with chilled coolant alone. Once again..hats off to you OPP...you're the top dog !!

Randi :D

[mackanz]

The q is, can ANY air setup cope with that cpu with oc?
Somehow i dont believe it will...
I mean, how are they going to sell them if no sinks can take that heat?

Mac

[OPPAINTER]

mackanz,

Good point. I giess they need a heatspreader on these Cores.


MrIcee,

try flashing back to the 7M bios. My system runs much more stable now with it.

OPP

[MrIcee]

OPP:)

I'll reflash my bios later and see how this system responds, thanks for the headsup my man:)

I finally got a screenie at 1.65v...tho its not as impressive as your efforts its still not bad none-the-less. MBM reads it as 1.7v although its set to 1.65v in the bios.

[MrIcee]

This is the best I could get out of my T-Bred for the moment...I'll be swapping in a fresh KX7-333R in the next couple days....and allowing my chiller to to go down to it's max of -35c. All in all...this is a good start. I've averaged at least 400 Mhz overclocks on every AMD cpu I've had..some steppings such at my 1700+ AGOIA were near a 600Mhz O/C..and I think that can be expected as the cores and manufacturing process matures. If you remember..when the 1800+ XP Pali came out it wasn't a killer O/Cer either...but hey...I'm not complaining...once I get some 3D going I'll get back in the middle of the P4 pack at the Top 10 at MadOnion:D Heres my final top clock screenie till the new boards installed...

[JCviggen]

Randi, does that 2236 do 3Dmark ? :)

BTW, if nothing goes terribly wrong, i'll take Jason ('Doc) down tomorrow morning to move XtremeSystems a bit higher ;)

[MrIcee]

JC:)

To be honest..I'm not sure yet. I ran thru 3Dmark at 2200Mhz yesterday(games) before taking my Ti4600 out for a dry out and reinstalling my GF2 Ultra.(I had some condensation isues that prevented me from completing the entire bench) I won't attempt anymore 3D until I get the new board installed...my voltages are lower on several lines on this board compared to my first one. It been a bit flaky as far as stability...I'm going to flash back to the original bios later and see how it reacts as OPP suggested.:) Good luck BTW on your benching my friend....I'll be checking the ORB for your progress :banana:

Randi :D

[macci]

Nice going boys :)

JC, your up and running again I take it?
(btw, been testing the GPU vmodded gainward today and no problems so far..tried it up to 1.91V ;))

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by macci
Nice going boys :)

JC, your up and running again I take it?
(btw, been testing the GPU vmodded gainward today and no problems so far..tried it up to 1.91V ;))

yup its running smooth m8 :)

-14C idle around 0C load at 3150/1.75V. In "3Dmark mode" I'm gonna do 188x17 (3200). temps are up to around 5C. The chip can do 190, but the board doesnt feel like it ... at 189 and 190 its just not stable enough... kicks me back to the desktop :(
Still , 188 should move me up a place.
With a DDR board I could bump this sucker to 3.3 I'm sure.


inspired by your soldering success i'll take to the gainward soldering job this week :D
If it works I can get close to 16K I think. GPU can do 378 with cold water and a pelt now. Bumping the voltage a bit should get me 400...

[DaGooch]

Sorry, this might be slightly off topic but did some checking around concerning the high temperatures reported by most people and the 2200+ Thoroughbred. I found the die sizes of the Palomino and Thoroughbred and the wattage output. According to some preliminary and simple math calcultions of wattage to surface area, the Thoroughbred has a higher wattage output to surface area ratio than the Palamino. Therefore, a very high and stable overclock can only be achieved with the best cooling solutions around unfortunately.

[Jen]

Nice job OPP and I have to agree these processors need a heatspreader to cool them off.



Jen

[The Coolest]

WOW 2200 & 2384MHz are some crazy speeds, have u tried folding with those things? They would prolly fold ProteinAs as mine does bbas...

[OPPAINTER]

Well I've said that my next AMD chip would do 2400mhz.

Here it is folks:D

To Bad its not stable:D

[AndrOvr]

WOoooooOW... :banana:
very nice...
How cold is the CPU :rolleyes:

[JBELL]

OPP very impressive... where are allt he intel supporters now??? :banana:

[MrIcee]

OPP:)

Way to go my man. Guess my next investment will be a PSU and 226watt pelt if I'm gonna try to clock with you buddy:D

Damn excellent job...what kinda voltage you push thru that puppy to get there??..and don't scare me...LOL

Cheers to the King O/Cer at Xtreme !!:toast:

Randi :D

[OPPAINTER]

MrIcee,

I used 2.05 volts on that one. The cpu read -7c. Water temps were at -12c cooling the Pelt.
I'll be looking forward to seeing your 3D scores at 2200mhz. They should pass Mine at that speed :)

I the this Sh$t man !! :toast:

OPP

[N8]

good lord :)

[Dr. GoodenHigh]

Why I oughta...........
hehe..good luck mate, should be able to crack 16k I bet @ those speeds with your tweaking skills and all :D
I cant keep up with you guys financially so my score is at the end of the road for this mobo.
BUT.....there is a glimer of hope at the end of the tunnel, Terrence aka Visionary from vr-zone will be to thank for it. I can't say a whole lot cause i don't really know the entire scoop but lets just say he might be helping out a little.
If he does Great, if not maybe I'll go fishing ;)


Originally posted by JCviggen
Randi, does that 2236 do 3Dmark ? :)

BTW, if nothing goes terribly wrong, i'll take Jason ('Doc) down tomorrow morning to move XtremeSystems a bit higher ;)

[CSHawkeye81]

well i am still here for intel guys, and mr icee i gave that kx733 that i sent you a special bleasing from the overclocking gods!:D

[xgman]

I must have a bad KX7-333. The exact same guts (incl. the 2200), on the 8K3A with the 6-29 bios, runs fsb 200+ at 1900mhz; whereas on the KX7 in dies at anything over 180ish. Doesn't make much sense other than it was a real early KX7, but with the #9 bios.

I don't think anyone will see much more than a tad over 1900 with the best air on this T-bred unless you are lucky enough to get a cream of the crop chip like amdmb got for his review. better cooling is a must in order to compensate for the small die size. There simply isn't enough area to cool.

What is the best way to cool beyond air, if you don't want a room full of pumps and water and oversized ugly boxes of this or that, or is there such a thing? Thanks....

[RichBa5tard]

xgman,

a decent H²O setup with a pelt & good rad doesn't take up that much space (nor does it cost you a kidney ;) ). It's when you start chilling your water you're gonna need some big, ugly reservoirs. :)

You could also buy a prebuild phase change-coolingsystem, like a promotheia or a MX EVA3, but those setups will set you back for at least 500$.

If you're a diehard OC'er you're gonna end up with a phase changed coolingsystem anyhow, you might as well skip the costs of a H²O+pelt+chilled water system. ;)

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by RichBa5tard
xgman,

a decent H²O setup with a pelt & good rad doesn't take up that much space (nor does it cost you a kidney ;) ). It's when you start chilling your water you're gonna need some big, ugly reservoirs. :)



I agree. My straight water system cannot do nearly what these extreme cooling solutions can do, but it beats the snot out of air cooling and is easily self contained in a good looking case.

I'll be throwing on a 226w pelt next week....still though....it's all nice and neat:)

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by Jen
Nice job OPP and I have to agree these processors need a heatspreader to cool them off.
Jen




making an heatspreader (maybe in copper) for the Tbreds is a thought but would improve cooling or make it worse?


remember the PIV has the heatspreader but it also has a bigger core

[sysfailur]

All a heatspreader would do for an AMD chip imo, is just reduce cracked cores... but then again, so does a shim do that, and shims aren't another layer between the core and the cooling device, whatever it may be.

[SKATAN]

i don´t agree


because I´ve seen reports of guys removing HS from PIII 0.13u and PIv to try and improve temps , to make a direct contact core-cooler , and getting higher temps

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Dr. GoodenHigh
Why I oughta...........
hehe..good luck mate, should be able to crack 16k I bet @ those speeds with your tweaking skills and all :D
I cant keep up with you guys financially so my score is at the end of the road for this mobo.
BUT.....there is a glimer of hope at the end of the tunnel, Terrence aka Visionary from vr-zone will be to thank for it. I can't say a whole lot cause i don't really know the entire scoop but lets just say he might be helping out a little.
If he does Great, if not maybe I'll go fishing ;)




http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3777186

Didnt get in the 800s :(
Would have made it if it hadnt kicked me back to the desktop in my last run :( After that I was tired of it ... about 80% of my attempts to complete 3Dmark failed ;) Thats running "on the edge" for you :D

This week the Gainward is going to go under the soldering iron , cos 378 GPU isnt going to get me much more than this. I think with a successful vmod I should see 400 numbers on this lovely card though and that should enable me to pass 16.000 ;)
This 2.26B pretty much maxes out at 188x17, in fact I have some trouble running it at this speed. On a DDR board this CPU would go to 3300, but anyway, gotto use what we have anyway

[BigJobbies]

Originally posted by JBELL
OPP very impressive... where are allt he intel supporters now??? :banana:

er, as always Opp is showing some impressive stuff, but The fact that my 2.0a runs at 2.6 with a 20x multiplier at 1.6V and a 32db fan for cooling- I somehow am not exactly blown away by the T-bred's performance (by performance, I mean OCability, not the actual performance of the chip, I'm sure it is incredibly fast at those clocks, or stock clock for that matter). But as stated B4, I am impressed with what these guys are getting out of them.

My 2¢

[Svenn]

Awesome guys. This is also my first post here. I knew some real overclockers would be getting the T-breds much higher than any of those reviewers. Two Quick questions though. I'm thinking of getting a T-bred soon with a KX7-333. Just how hard is it to get it to work? I know you have to unlock it or something. I've never done any sort of messing around with CPUs like that before, so should I bother trying?
Other question is how high do you think I could get it on plain water cooling?
Thanks Guys, you rock.

[Xwinged_demonX]

But how do I know if the epox 8k3a+ will work with the 2200+ t-bred

[majormav]

Congrats OPP and MrIcee awsome overclocking there ,, apologies for not seeing the thread earlier but ive been having a war with the kx7 its crap going back to epox

[Dr. GoodenHigh]

378 to 400ish should be goodfor 100 pts on a good run so you just might see 16k IF you get a "dream-run" where everything fires the way it should..I'm sure you know what i mean.
well done!
I need a P4T533 or a p4t-e-t-pll in order to get back in, its summer and more exciting/funner things to do outside so no big deal.
No one wants to trade me a p4t-e for this th7ii-r which i dont quite understand since unless they're using a t-pll this board would serve them better 9 times out of 10.



Originally posted by JCviggen



http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3777186

Didnt get in the 800s :(
Would have made it if it hadnt kicked me back to the desktop in my last run :( After that I was tired of it ... about 80% of my attempts to complete 3Dmark failed ;) Thats running "on the edge" for you :D

This week the Gainward is going to go under the soldering iron , cos 378 GPU isnt going to get me much more than this. I think with a successful vmod I should see 400 numbers on this lovely card though and that should enable me to pass 16.000 ;)
This 2.26B pretty much maxes out at 188x17, in fact I have some trouble running it at this speed. On a DDR board this CPU would go to 3300, but anyway, gotto use what we have anyway

[Leo]

Originally posted by RichBa5tard
If you're a diehard OC'er you're gonna end up with a phase changed coolingsystem anyhow, you might as well skip the costs of a H²O+pelt+chilled water system. ;)

Amen to that. I would've saved so much money if I didn't go through Swifties, pelts, water blocks, pumps, dedicated PSUs, etc. and just skipped straight to the EVA3. Then again, you do pickup a lot of stuff while you're kicking your computer wondering why your newest cooling solution isn't working up to par, or working at all...

:smileysex

[OPPAINTER]

Svenn,

Welcome to Xtreme:D

Its easy to get the chip to run on the KX7, just follow the guide.
http://64.247.35.92/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1261
All you need to do is use some superglue to fill the Cuts and some codutive ink to close the bridges.

Xwinged_demonX,

The XP2200 may work on the Epox without haveing to close the L3s. I would try it first and if it doesn't post or the multipliers don't work go for the L3s.

OPP

[Xwinged_demonX]

you rule oppainter, thanx

[CSHawkeye81]

yeah i am gonna get one to test out.

[Svenn]

Originally posted by Leo


Amen to that. I would've saved so much money if I didn't go through Swifties, pelts, water blocks, pumps, dedicated PSUs, etc. and just skipped straight to the EVA3. Then again, you do pickup a lot of stuff while you're kicking your computer wondering why your newest cooling solution isn't working up to par, or working at all...

:smileysex

I'm not familiar with phase changed cooling systems. How much do they cost? How do they work? How hard are they to install/use? and how dangerous are they?
Links appreciated

[Svenn]

Thanks a bunch OPPainter, I read the guide and it sounds pretty easy. I'm just wondering if I make a mistake will I damage the CPU? I've never done any mods to any of my parts before so this is pretty new to me.

[CSHawkeye81]

hey svenn pm me cause i live in MD and i might be assistance for you.

[macci]

Here some massive overclock for ya boys :D
2585MHz WCPUID and some more stuffs ;) (http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/ha/id25302/xp2200_dora.html)

[OPPAINTER]

I new these chips would handle LN2, I don't think they have the L2 problem anymore with Xtreme Cooling :D

OPP

[macci]

yup so it seems :)

[OPPAINTER]

So Macci, does that mean you may be trying one of these T-Breds?? :)

OPP

[N8]

AIRGA stepping in macci's link..week 24...mmmmmmmm :)

edit: lol @ opp

[macci]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
So Macci, does that mean you may be trying one of these T-Breds?? :)

OPP
Not until I see those chips hit 2.6G stable :D
besides I dont' have good ram for AMD :D

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by macci

besides I dont' have good ram for AMD :D

Pah ! Excuses ;)

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by macci

Not until I see those chips hit 2.6G stable :D
besides I dont' have good ram for AMD :D

Piece of cake for you Macci, next batch and stepping should do it for you:D

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

Welp I'm on my way to pick up a new KX7, this one is taking a dump on my fsb, problems with 200-201. My first KX7 did it no prob. My chip can do 3D at 2315 sofar but I need the 200-201 for decent scores.
I'll be back :D

OPP

[sysfailur]

Hahah that rocks!! Man 2585! Smokin!

[CSHawkeye81]

i wonder how mricee is going with the kx7 i sent him??

[Bulldog]

Wow great going guys can't wait to see the 3d scores

[Wahoogie]

These chips should come out nicely with a newer/better stepping. I say we'll be able to hit 2.6ghz stable, and probably be benching at 2.7... although I might being a bit optimistic. Oh well :)

I would -NOT- mind having one of these chips to test out in my KX7.... my pelt system should be up very soon and my current chip doesn't overclock for beans... oh well. :banana: :banana: :toast:

G'luck with these chips OPP and MrIcee...macci, I demand you get one of these!!!

[DDTUNG]

Great job, my friends.

Looks like my prediction of the Tbred running 3DMark at 2400MHZ is not far off!

Hats off to you boys!

DDTUNG:cool:

[OPPAINTER]

DDTUNG,

Long time no see my friend:)
How do you like your chip?? I should be sending it on Wed-Thurs to you. I can only get it to run 3D at 2315 sofar. Your cooling may give you some more Mhz though.

OPP

[DDTUNG]

I've been a handyman doing plumbing, painting, electrical, and carpentry work in the new home. The only computer related job I did was to 'fix up' your XP1800.:)

Keep the chip and play with it a little longer. I'm in no rush.

DDTUNG:cool:

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by DDTUNG
I've been a handyman doing plumbing, painting, electrical, and carpentry work in the new home. The only computer related job I did was to 'fix up' your XP1800.:)

Keep the chip and play with it a little longer. I'm in no rush.

DDTUNG:cool:

Such a nice guy!! :) :banana:

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Dr. GoodenHigh
378 to 400ish should be goodfor 100 pts on a good run so you just might see 16k IF you get a "dream-run" where everything fires the way it should..


funny, backing off 20 MHz on the GPU cost me 270 points. I imagine upping the GPU to 400 (20+) would get me at least 200 points extra :D
400 should put me exactly on 16K.

[CSHawkeye81]

lol whats new guys.

[xgman]

Originally posted by Xwinged_demonX
But how do I know if the epox 8k3a+ will work with the 2200+ t-bred

I have one running on a 8k3a and you need to close the L3's to get it unlocked. Mine ran higher fsb's on the 8k3a with the exact same timings and rig than on the KX7. I may have had a bad board. It was one of the early ones. The 8k3a is with the 6-29 bios.

[MrIcee]

DDTUNG:)

Thank you my friend..and so nice seeing you back on the forums...I hope your change of residence has been going smoothly:)

I am in the midst of changing out my KX7 also...and Hawkeye...thank you..I recieved the board yesterday afternoon:)

OPP..this board is the Rubycon cap version with plastic lever...as opposed to what I've had previos..the Nichicon cap/metal lever versions. We'll see what this puppy does later today. I need to make a road trip to get a fresh batch of cermet VR's so I can finish the volt mods. Got the back sprayed with 2 coats of conformal coating etc etc. You know the routine:D

With a little help ;) I may be clocking with you soon buddy...unless my chip is truly a POS. Those AIRGA steppings look like the ones to have. If anybody finds one..let me know ASAP...I may have a 2200 up for sale to buy a new one..LOL

Anyways..take care my friends..an happy overclocking !!

Randi :D

[CSHawkeye81]

good luck as i have got blessing from the overclocking gods!!

[Dr. GoodenHigh]

well good luck, I didn't see a huge jump myself.

Originally posted by JCviggen



funny, backing off 20 MHz on the GPU cost me 270 points. I imagine upping the GPU to 400 (20+) would get me at least 200 points extra :D
400 should put me exactly on 16K.

[CSHawkeye81]

have fun guys.

[deerhunter]

Beautiful OCing you guys!

FedEx said my 2200 will be here tomorrow.:banana:

I will post some OC results with Air cooling.

[CSHawkeye81]

good luck.

[JBELL]

Originally posted by CSHawkeye81
good luck.

keep this rate of posts up and I will start deleting them.....

[CSHawkeye81]

wow do you like hate me or something i am just wishing the man good luck with his new board i sent him.

[JBELL]

Originally posted by CSHawkeye81
wow do you like hate me or something i am just wishing the man good luck with his new board i sent him.

you are posting nothing but spam in several threads while claiming to be an intel guru - guru's don't spam

I do not hate you but I am watching you.... your quality of posts and their purpose are questionable my friend.

[Silversink]

Originally posted by CSHawkeye81
wow do you like hate me or something i am just wishing the man good luck with his new board i sent him.

The truth be told MrIcee is still out money with his transaction with you, and it took intervention to get you to complete the transaction that should have been done several months ago.

All the while you upgraded and played with new hardware while Mr.Icee was left hanging.

Dont post holier than thou statements.....people aren't impressed.

I do appreciate you getting MrIcee the mobo, but he still got shafted, so lets let this matter rest, unless you want to make full restitution to him.....when you do that you can make any statement or declaration you want. :eek: Ka -Peesh?

[CSHawkeye81]

that business is done and do me a favor go on with your business cause i am trying to start getting ppl help with any issues with intel systems thats all.

[JBELL]

Originally posted by CSHawkeye81
that business is done and do me a favor go on with your business cause i am trying to start getting ppl help with any issues with intel systems thats all.

No your not



good luck.



have fun guys.



good luck as i have got blessing from the overclocking gods!!



lol whats new guys.


all those quotes from this thread alone - need I say more?

cop'n a 'tude will get you no where fast so just end the thread crapping.

Strike 2

[sysfailur]

Haha as I was reading his posts the same thing went through my head.

On another note.... the game theatre xp is very nice :P

[scrllock]

okay, it seems to me that this thread has gotten just a wee bit off track.

[Neptune5k]

Originally posted by scrllock
okay, it seems to me that this thread has gotten just a wee bit off track.

You noticed too? :rolleyes:

[N8]

this hawkeye guy is a waste....save urself the time later and give him a boot now ;)

back to the topic....

Where's the new screenshots Icee & OPP....you guys have been quiet for a couple days ;)

[CSHawkeye81]

a waste huh well you sir can kiss my @$$ but anyhow i am gonna talkto randi and see how well his new board is doing for him.

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by [N8]
this hawkeye guy is a waste....save urself the time later and give him a boot now ;)

back to the topic....

Where's the new screenshots Icee & OPP....you guys have been quiet for a couple days ;)

N8,

I'm done testing the T-bred for now. I could run 3D at 2315 but I had to use 191 FSB so my scores sucked. I went and got a new KX7 hopeing to get on that could do 201 fsb agressive timeings like my original KX7, after condensation proofing it and getting all set up the thing wouldn't even post, DOA mobo. I can't even return it so I'm pissed.
I'm going to do some Intel overclocking for a while and bust a move on 16000 points:D

OPP

[CSHawkeye81]

good luck busting 16k opp you gonna do that it7 and 2.26 setup.

[sysfailur]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER


N8,

I'm done testing the T-bred for now. I could run 3D at 2315 but I had to use 191 FSB so my scores sucked. I went and got a new KX7 hopeing to get on that could do 201 fsb agressive timeings like my original KX7, after condensation proofing it and getting all set up the thing wouldn't even post, DOA mobo. I can't even return it so I'm pissed.
I'm going to do some Intel overclocking for a while and bust a move on 16000 points:D

OPP

Always good to test it just for a sec before doing all that. :P Happened to me too, but I've learned my lesson now heh.

banana!!!!!!!! :banana:

[deerhunter]

FedEx finally came with my 2200.
I waited a whole three hours before succumbing to the CPU mod.
Wow, it was a lot easier than my 1700.

Running some BMs at 185 X 11, ok so far.

I think my PC2100 RAM is going to hold me back from going much higher, even though it is Hi-perf Cas 2.

MBM reports CPU at 33C idle with Vcore 1.8V.
Good thing my basement is very chilly!

Now if I could find that $500 water cooling system that works!

PCMark Link
http://service.madonion.com/compare?pcm=443133

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by deerhunter
Now if I could find that $500 water cooling system that works!

Here you go. (http://www.liquidninjas.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=5)

Does pretty damn good for a prefab system and mops the floor with the Koolance.

With $500 you could certainly build a better system on your own. But it's a matter of time to research and assemble versus plug-n-play.

[mackanz]

MBM reports CPU at 33C idle with Vcore 1.8V.
Good thing my basement is very chilly!




That is totally different from the others.
Dang! 32C is much better, in fact the best i´ve seen on air on that cpu so far.
Stepping?


Mac

[N8]

OPP,
That sux indeed...u need some of that liquid electrical tape that UaZa uses...looks like u might be able to un-waterproof a mobo if u use that stuff. I hate modifying my stuff to the point of being non-RMAable. You are doing quite well w/ that intel setup, keep up the good work. :)

Randi,
How are you coming along w/ urs? ;)

Hawkeye,
fu, waste :D

[killersushi]

Indeed, I use that liquid tape, it goes off like a charm, leaves no traces. Highly recommended :D

[xgman]

Originally posted by mackanz




That is totally different from the others.
Dang! 32C is much better, in fact the best i´ve seen on air on that cpu so far.
Stepping?


Mac

Yeah, what stepping and week on the chip?

[deerhunter]

Best I could get so far is 186 X 11, Vcore 1.8V, CPU idle 34C
This AX7 HSF works pretty good for air on this smaller core,
I polished it with my Dremel and must have gotten the AS3 amount correct!
Maybe it is that scotch tape on the L3 bridges keeping it cool? ;)

http://service.madonion.com/compare?pcm=443133

Stepping:
AIRDA0222XPMW

[xgman]

186 x 10 or 186 x 11. Your other posts said 11. That is a big difference. 1860mhz or 2046mhz?

[sysfailur]

I'm gonna try unlocking my Tbred again. It must be done! I'm so close to having it unlocked. When I first tried, the stupid glue I put on ate away the scotch tape and got on the traces... so umm... heh that might've caused it :P

[majormav]

186x11 i can get windows running at that with a xp2000 however 3d mark refuses to go .... would like it to though so looks like me have to get a tbred when i can

[MrIcee]

[N8]

To be honest...I'm not doing well. I switched over to the new KX7...but this puppy is already out of my rig...the voltages on that board suck bigtime. My +5 going in from the PSU is 5.26...but after the board regulation it falls to 4.99 under load(first board 5.21v). I have 12.07 going into the board and only 11.55v showing in MBM5(First board 11.98v). When my Vio is set to 3.65 its only 3.55.

I can't clock my chip at all on it...it'll do 2100Mhz but can't bench 3Dmark, totally unstable. My other board(OPP's) would bench 3Dmark at 2200Mhz. I just sent my first board back for an rma...not sure what to do with the one Joe sent me. Its not his fault..but its a POS for overclocking. It has the Rubycon caps by the AGP and plastic lever zif socket. BEWARE: Stay AWAY from that version of the board. I'm going to put my OPPAINTER KX7 back in so I can at least run 3Dmark and do some burn-in until I recieve my KX7 back from RMA. Abits got some QC probs going on with some of these boards as far as voltage regulation is concerned.

Randi :D

[N8]

Seems as tho all mobo mfr's have some of these qc problems, Randi. Cross ur fingers when this RMA'd one is being shipped back to you...just might get a better one! ;) Good luck with your overclocking...I'm getting anxious for new steppings for these tbreds...especially the lower clocked ones as they are more in my price-range :D

[CSHawkeye81]

why dont you rma this one back to newegg or something.

[deerhunter]

JUST got my Mushkin PC 3200 from FedEx a half hour ago.
I stuck it in and started to tweak the fsb & multiplier.
I noticed I couldn't boot at 10X. Maybe my unlock has failed?
I was just reading a thread at amdmb and someone was saying that connecting the L3s does not give you ALL multipliers below 13.
Opp & Icee posted multis at 10.5 - 11 - 12 - 12.5.
Does anyone know for certain which ones are definitely avail after connecting the L3s?:confused:

[CapZap]

deerhunter, I have a QPower case and have been very happy with the investment.

[MrIcee]

Hawkeye:)

Unfortunately...you would have to RMA the board because it was bought in your name. If you want to do that..send me the RMA info and I'll send it back. Just tell them the voltages are very low on the board making it unstable.



deerhunter :)

If the bridges are not all completely fixed...you will NOT get all multi's. I confirmed mine by booting at each one. I had to redo the bridges twice before they were finally perfect

Randi :D

[deerhunter]

Originally posted by CapZap
deerhunter, I have a QPower case and have been very happy with the investment.

Cool, Welcome to the Xtremers CapZap, your wisdom will be helpful in this place!


Thanks Mr. Icee, tearing it down after posting this message.

[mdzcpa]

I can also confim that all multipliers work when the L3s are connected:)

[CapZap]

Thanks deerhunter. I've been contemplating the 3DMark team here for a bit. I've kind of lost my direction with 3DMark and need a kick in the rear. That used to be more important to me than overclocking.

[CSHawkeye81]

sure we can do that randi, what i will do is email them when i get back home tonight and send you all the info that you would need.

[MrIcee]

Thanks my man...the boards already out and ready to go. Just remember to write the comments in my last post about low voltage and instability on the RMA forum. Thanks in advance:)

Randi :D

[CSHawkeye81]

alright man i am about to hit them up so we can get it rma'ed.

[SPQQKY]

Did I miss the link for a 3DMark2001se benchmark? Can you provide a link Opp?

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by SPQQKY
Did I miss the link for a 3DMark2001se benchmark? Can you provide a link Opp?

Heres a link http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3769216

The problem is that I did this at 199 FSB and the KX7 I was useing didn't allow me to go to 201 with aggressive timings like my first KX7 did so I didn't get a great score out of the XP2200, the chip will do 3D at 2315 but it was a lower score do to I had to use 191 fsb I think.

OPP

[majormav]

link to OPPS score is

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3769216

cant understand why it says duron though

whoops sorry you bet me to it

[CSHawkeye81]

wow you kick my cards butt, but i got 13500 with my ti4400

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by CSHawkeye81
wow you kick my cards butt, but i got 13500 with my ti4400

I can get about 14000 with my card at stock clock speed:D

OPP

[KnightElite]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER


I can get about 14000 with my card at stock clock speed:D

OPP

W00t, I got 5116 with my GeFORCE 2 GTS :D.

[OPPAINTER]

Heres the stepping on this chip by the way.

AIRDA 0222, 9 Chip


OPP

[CSHawkeye81]

well opp we are gonna get a new board for randi cause his is a crappy one.

[macci]

2651MHz (http://son.t-next.com/cpu/xp2200+.html)
This time its ln2 cooled (the previous link was w/ dryice cooling)

[KnightElite]

That's getting to be some pretty impressive clock speeds on those things.

[macci]

Hehhe same link same cooling and same CPU too I guess (AIRGA)
now at 2716MHz (http://son.t-next.com/cpu/xp2200+.html)! :D pretty insane

edit: it looks like the guy had two of those chips and the other one maxed at 2651 and this one at 2716.

[N8]

Man, I would LOVE to see how an AMD would score against the Intel's in 3D if it was at 2.7GHz :D

[xgman]

Are any of these "super cools" with an AIRGA stepping yet?

[Silver]

Here's 13,800 on an Asus Ti4400 and xp2200 @ 2.2Ghz.

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3884852

Hey guys, seem to be having some trouble getting the low res car and lobby scores up. Bandwidth?

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by Silver
Here's 13,800 on an Asus Ti4400 and xp2200 @ 2.2Ghz.

http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3884852

Hey guys, seem to be having some trouble getting the low res car and lobby scores up. Bandwidth?

Nice score :)
What are you cooling your XP with??

OPP

[OPPAINTER]

Silver,

You want to bring up your scores you need to do like 200 fsb, try a KX7 mobo.

OPP

[Silver]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER
Silver,

You want to bring up your scores you need to do like 200 fsb, try a KX7 mobo.

OPP

Cooling is a 226w on a bong. Plum out of money at this stage of the game. At the time I bought the mobo it was (I thought) a good bet. It still is however 14g appears to be out of reach and thus the top guys without a new mobo. I have no doubt that with a new mobo the little AMD could take #1 or #2 with the Ti4400. As you can see I am hurting in low res on car and lobby. All other scores are at least competent. Did try 202 FSB on the Epox but the bandwidth just is not there. How long you figure before we start seeing some Kt400's?

Oh, took 2.05v to get it to 2.2Ghz.

[xgman]

I don't think that the bandwith is going to improve that much on the KT400. I still think the dividers will keep it down loke it is doing on the KT333, but at least there will be no excuse other than ram not to be able to run 200+. I would also be surprised to see any KT400 boards actually for sale before early September, but I hope I am wrong.

[Silver]

Got a little more out of it but am up against a wall here. I really do not know what to do now given the present setup. Need to think on it some. This moved me up a couple of spots, unfortunately they are earlier scores that the members failed to delete so overall position has not changed. Ran all of the tests however Gibbo is the only one above me who has run all of the tests so .....Opp, look at Gibbos score and then at mine and tell me what you see, please....Take Care All.


http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3893892

[Chong345]

Silver what bios are you using? 23.12 is the best for 3dmarks. It is much faster than all the others. Give it a try if you haven't already.

[UaZa]

Originally posted by Chong345
Silver what bios are you using? 23.12 is the best for 3dmarks. It is much faster than all the others. Give it a try if you haven't already.
man.. it really depends..
i got better scores with 2612 - fsb at 217 cl2-3-3 (no tearings) than with 2312 @195 +-

[Chong345]

ah ok, how did you get 195fsb with 23.12? What timings were used? any other tweaks? I can only get to 191. I use turbo and 1t command rate.

[Silver]

And I can only get 184 tops at turbo, fastest timings, etc. :(

[N8]

Silver,

I see you're over here at Xtreme w/ us as well :)
was talkin to you some @ oc forums.

What NB cooling do you have? I'm pretty sure I can run up to 194FSB w/ the 2312 w/o a problem. I do 3DMark runs @ 190 w/o a problem...and I have a small heatsink on my NB w/ a 40mm sunon fan, believe its 9cfm.

What memory are you running as well?

[UaZa]

Originally posted by Chong345
ah ok, how did you get 195fsb with 23.12? What timings were used? any other tweaks? I can only get to 191. I use turbo and 1t command rate.
turbo 1t man

217 cl2.0-3-3 / 2 5

[MrIcee]

Silver and all other Epox users:)

I'm playing with an 8K3A+ right now while awaiting my KX7's replacements from RMA.

I've tried all the bios's...I've used every tweak and register change I know on this board..and I'm afraid to tell ya's if you want the big scores you're going to need the KX7. The Epox is a great board..easy to set up..stable as hell...I really like it alot..BUT , no matter what bandwidth enhancement or register changes I've made to aid it....the bandwidth just isn't there to blow big 3DMark scores.

The fact you've mentioned car and lobby scores being lower...well my friends...I'll confirm it right now. I've been testing at 1695Mhz to try to get this thing tweaked up. I'm 600 points lower than my KX7 and theres no more tweaks left. 13,973 at the same settings on the KX7....13,356 with the 8K3A. Identical settings and ram timings at 199Mhz FSB. Dropping the multi and increasing the FSB is futile on this board...it seems it adds nothing in3Dmark...maybe 100 points. I tried 210 and 215Mhz.

I managed a 3086 ALU bandwidth run in Sandra..which is good but unusable in 3Dmark as its not stable enough.

This board also needs a memory volt mod. I know that sounds crazy, but my Samsung likes 3.22v at high FSB max timings. When set at 3.2v the actual voltage is 3.15 to 3.17v. Seems like not much difference but it means a whole lot when you're trying to keep stable timings at high FSB. I believe thats giving me some troubles in 3Dmark at 205Mhz+ with max timings..I keep getting kicked back to the desktop.

Another aside...I've tried setting CPU decode to fast at 200Mhz+ FSB and it won't hold the setting in WPCredit..it resets it to normal. This nugget is the key to unlocking this boards bandwidth..and for whatever reason...I guess compatibilty or stability...they prevent you from tweaking that register. That plain sucks IMHO....as I'll take a little flakiness to get some good benches:)

All in all boys...its a very nice board..but its no KX7 in the performance department:)

Randi:D

[Chong345]

Randi, send one of those boards that you get back this way with a v-mod on it. I wanna try one out but have my doubts. I'll probably find out that my ram won't go high enough or something.

[MrIcee]

Chong my friend:)

You run a KX7 at your present specs...identical to your Epox..and your gonna have higher scores. Theres no doubt after my testing here. I think its 2 factors...the first we have already discussed..bandwidth. The second I feel is in the Epox AGP implementation. I don't think it drives the card as hard...or vice versa. Do I know this as fact?? No...its a gut feeling after many,many runs of 3Dmark. It has a feel of being held back, for no other better explanation.

Randi:D

[Silver]

And that is how it feels to me as well. It's like it won't let go of the reins. I think I might be able to push 13,900 and that will be it on this board. Time to look around for the best deal and check out some vmods on an Abit. Too bad as I really do like this board. :(

[Silver]

Originally posted by MrIcee
Chong my friend:)

You run a KX7 at your present specs...identical to your Epox..and your gonna have higher scores. Theres no doubt after my testing here. I think its 2 factors...the first we have already discussed..bandwidth. The second I feel is in the Epox AGP implementation. I don't think it drives the card as hard...or vice versa. Do I know this as fact?? No...its a gut feeling after many,many runs of 3Dmark. It has a feel of being held back, for no other better explanation.

Randi:D

Well, I thank you for taking another look at the board. This is more than I could have hoped for. Thank you again.:)

[The Reeferman]

Hi there people, I was wondering if anyone could tell me something about the stability of the KX7 with 2 DDR sticks in it. I now own a KG7-R and it's crap with 2 ram sticks in it. I think it's the board itself cause a friend of me has the same and no problems at all. But I don't feel like RAMing it, so it's a good excuse to buy a new one. But I have to be sure it'll do High FSB's with 2 RAM sticks installed.

[MrIcee]

Hi my friend:)

As long as you place the sticks in slots 1 and 3...and use adequate voltage...the KX7 runs perfect with 2 sticks. :)

Randi:D

[Svenn]

Why slots 1 and 3?

[Neptune5k]

Because, I believe, Abit uses two voltage regulators for its DIMM Banks - 1 for spots 1 and 2, and one for spots 3 and 4. If you place the memory in slots 1 and slots 3, the memory's voltage circuit will run at a higher level of efficiency.

[Svenn]

Excellent, so I should have no problem with my 2x256 PC3000 Mushkin chips? I've still got my fingers crossed hoping they are CTL...

[KnightElite]

Originally posted by Neptune5k
Because, I believe, Abit uses two voltage regulators for its DIMM Banks - 1 for spots 1 and 2, and one for spots 3 and 4. If you place the memory in slots 1 and slots 3, the memory's voltage circuit will run at a higher level of efficiency.

That is exactly correct, and is true for all kt266/266a/333 boards that have 4 DIMM slots, including the KR7A and so on.

[jorge1272]

Hi: I am of Spain, they excuse my English one. I did it of the bridges L3 to my 2200 + and I work. Now I want that turn to go out the high multipliers (13 13,5 14 ...). Since I do it. If I leave it since it was originally there continue going out for me the low ones (5 ... 12,5).

[MooCow]

has anyone tried this with an A7N8X deluxe? or should it work with all new mobos.