X2 upgrade snags

[rob725]

Decided to upgrade wc rig from a64 to x2. Instead of just the chip I took the old mb, a64 and hd out and built them into a rig for my son. Kept the ocz 4800 ram for the upgrade and got a 2.2ghz x2 and a dfi lanparty nf4 ultra-d. Installed everything in wc rig and all looks good; chip recognized, temps below 30, several passes of memtest -- all stock and most settings to auto.

I get bsod during windows install (bout halfway to 9/10 of the way through). I have updated bios, moved memory around, swapped cd/dvd player, and hd. Has anyone seen this for this setup and know some little thing I'm overlooking, or should I just rma the mobo; I can't believe it's the chip as it seems a little to well behaved most of the time.

[Movieman]

clear cmos?

[Sorrow13]

clear cmos, try without acpi, make sure your ram dividers are set properly, if you were overclocked before you might be overclocking again, but with dif ram divider. Bunch of stuff to check, start with cmos clear.
Unplug power, wait a few mins, swap jumper, leave a few mins, reset jumper, plug in and then check your bios settings.

[Movieman]

Thank God an AMD guy jumped in!:toast:

[njkid32]

Rob, what psu do you have? I have had this happen several times dfi is a pita! Memory is usually the issue. Try setting the timings manually to 2.5-3-3-5... This should take most of your issues away:) Also, are you oc'd at all and what HD are you using ide or sata... If its sata make sure you use the #3 sata port.. Hope this helps:)

Edit: You may also want to try using one stick of mem in the Orange slots.. Orange is best for tccd mem.

[STEvil]

acpi trick was for T-Birds/AXP.

Definately memory related. The 4800 is TCC5 likely (if they are the same sticks I have) and on DFI boards (and many others) TCCD/5 will throw errors at certain clock speeds, timings, and voltages.

[rob725]

thanks for all the input! I'm gonna go try some stuff.

[Jaco]

I always use 1 stick only when installing windows (or any other OS)

[rob725]

Thought I was home free, but...

At 98% complete, bsod: IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL blah, blah.

PSU is ocz modstream 520

This is a new mobo; I kept the other mobo and chip together.

I cleared cmos, put memory in orange, switched to sata 3, set mem to 2.5-3-3-5, set vmem to 2.7.

So after above bsod, I took one stick out, and at 96% of first part of setup (copying files), bsod with PAGEFAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

Switched sticks, which was even worse.

But you guys were right. It was memory. Took the patriot 1gb 2-3-2-5 bargain ram out of my son's system, and viola, no problem.

I'll put the ocz back with the cpu/mobo it had been happily living with and see if I can't get them to work again. I say happily, but those very expensive 4800 sticks have always been somewhat of a disapointment. I was never able to get them stabilized past 250 fsb (heat was the issue and my proc maxed out at 2750 anyways), which was less than the ocz gold I had paired with an msi nf4 board.

Anyways, thanks again for saving me from RMAing a board and then ending up right back in the same mess.

[STEvil]

I have the exact same sticks. They fly with some work.. but infineon BE/CE is a better way to go.

[njkid32]

One thing I have noticed with mem especially with tccd/5 is some like volts and some dont. 2.7v may just be a little to much for those sticks you might want to lower your vdimm a little... At 250 2.5-3-3-? you shouldnt need that much vdimm anyway..

[rob725]

Do you 1 or 2t and did you have to cool 'em.

[njkid32]

Well, I know a few people with those sticks that couldnt run 1T on a dfi so you might want to try 2T for the hell of it... You shouldnt have to cool them with less than 3v and good airflow in your case. I dont think I have ever cooled that type of mem only BH-5..

[rob725]

Website lists 2.8v, but I'll try less. Thing is they were running ok in the older dfi board. Not sure what the difference is, except the old one is running with a bios at least 1.5 years old.

[njkid32]

Hmm I would say give them more vdimm but I would bet its less or just a secondary timing setting or something. DFI mobo's are very picky about memory... LOL

Edit: You may also want to loosen timings just in case to 2.5-4-4-?..

[rob725]

I had been running them at 2.5-4-4-10, their 4800 rated speed, didn't help with the new mobo. I think my kid will just get some nice ram and I'll keep the pats with the x2. I haven't oc'd his rig yet, but I'll see what I can get out of them.

[[XC] 4X4N]

I have those same sticks. Mine are confirmed tccd. Here is a shot of them with a 3500 venice. They've been pretty solid for me, but it did take a while to get them stable.

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/8022/9x30032m7yv.jpg

And here is what they are currently. Different ultra-d and a 170 opty. Had to set them a little different on this set-up. Also only running them at 260, 2.5-3-3-8 I have 3 ultra-d's all running tccd. I'll gladly answer any questions you might have.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3696/17010x260lh1.jpg

[STEvil]

4800 Platinum Limited Edition? Its TCC5, no exceptions as far as I know. I've had mine over 320mhz 2.5-4-3-x, but it throws errors around the 240-255 range.

[njkid32]

Some of the earlier ones were TCCD... I think they switched to TCC5 after awhile. We could ask Ryder to confirm:)

[[XC] 4X4N]

Yes, then they switched back to only tccd when people were complaining that the tcc5 was not as good.

[STEvil]

Mine are beta retail sticks, TCC5.

[rob725]

Thanks again for all the info and screenies; it's really helpful., I find it takes a lot more patience and skill to optimize ram than it does the cpu and I'm lacking in both, so I appreciate the guidance.

what volts are you running through your sticks?

[[XC] 4X4N]

With the 3500, I was able to run vdimm at 2.7v. Now on a different board and with the opty 170, vdimm is 2.7 with the +.03 enabled. Also, I'm using the 4/06 bigtoe bios.

[Fr3ak]

My board did exactly the same whe I tried to install windows. I was usind Twinmos Ch5-UTT at that time.
I can hardly remember what I did to make it work.
I remember installing the os several times. One time it installed completely, but couldnt boot windows.
I cant remember what I did, but I think I either used XP SP1 for the install, or XP SP2. One of them worked fine, the other didnt.
Thats not much help :/

If you cant get it working, try one of your other ram sticks for the install and/or try a TCCD bios. There are special bios versions out for eihter BH5, UTT or TCCD.

One last thing: My Centon TCCD runs great with 2.6-2.7V, but ir errors out above 2.7V.

[STEvil]

no more than 2.75v through mine. If you dont mind being stuck at CAS2 after a few weeks dont be affraid to feed them some volts, though ;)