Smd Grabber

[JAWS]

Smd Grabber!

To scared to perform a volt mod on your mobo? Afraid you might destroy it with the ol' soldering gun. The SMD Grabber's are a great substitute for soldering. They are little clips the snag the little legs on the HIP6301 voltage controller. Here's the link for the grabbers:
http://www.elexp.com/clp_5243.htm


I know most of you already know this, but I'll post it anyways!


Edit: Doc over at O/C found the SMD Grabber cheaper! Part# 885-5245

http://www.alliedelec.com/cart/partlookup.asp

[DaGooch]

Soldering gun? That is too imprecise! :p

[mackanz]

Thats the ones that both i and Paul use.
A bit expensive, but it doesn´t leave any marks for RMA issues.


Mac

[mdzcpa]

I've also used it with great success myself. I've run the "clip on" voltage mod on the KG7, KR7, and now the KX7 without incident. I was concerned about it falling off, but it never has.

[Hardass]

So you recommend these for someone who has never done a Vmod. And has no soldering experiance.

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by Hardass
So you recommend these for someone who has never done a Vmod. And has no soldering experiance.

Absolutely. That was my issue. I just didn't have the soldering experience to feel comfortable going that route.

I wouldn't recommend it if it truly did not work so well.

Here was my first clip on (using the micro clip instead of the Grabber).
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mdzcpa/images/Picture_035.jpg

Simple yet effective (and no evidence if you smoke the board :) )

[Hardass]

Alright good, one less thing to worry about. Next will it work on a vid card. Or is that a diff type of mod? How do i purchase these single, 2 ends, 6 inch or 12 inch length. How many do i need?

[JAWS]

Originally posted by Hardass
So you recommend these for someone who has never done a Vmod. And has no soldering experiance.

Just think about this: If you ever want to disable your Vmod, just unhook! That's it! I used these (SMD) and some other ones at Radio Shack for both my KT7A Vmods.

[JAWS]

Originally posted by Hardass
Alright good, one less thing to worry about. Next will it work on a vid card. Or is that a diff type of mod? How do i purchase these single, 2 ends, 6 inch or 12 inch length. How many do i need?

Depends on which mod you decide to do. I needed two for my KT7A; one for pin 7 and another for pin 10. I think there might be a minimum of 20.00 you have to spend there, so I'll try to find a better deal.

[Hardass]

Kewl, Thanks

[mackanz]

Originally posted by mdzcpa


Absolutely. That was my issue. I just didn't have the soldering experience to feel comfortable going that route.

I wouldn't recommend it if it truly did not work so well.

Here was my first clip on (using the micro clip instead of the Grabber).
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/mdzcpa/images/Picture_035.jpg

Simple yet effective (and no evidence if you smoke the board :) )

How´s the clip on compared to the grabber?
I have had the grabber falled off pretty easy, thats why i wonder.
Also, that clip on looks big or? No issues with the clip touching other contacts or so?

Cheers!

Mac

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by mackanz


How´s the clip on compared to the grabber?
I have had the grabber falled off pretty easy, thats why i wonder.
Also, that clip on looks big or? No issues with the clip touching other contacts or so?

Cheers!

Mac

I had no issues with the micro clip being to big. Sometimes it looks like a tight fit, but it clips on without touching any of the other pins.

As far as how secure....there both about the same. Niether the grabber or micro clip is anywhere near as secure as soldering of course.

I would never move the case freely about without checking to make sure the clip is still connected. But, short of moving the computer around, there isn't much that is going to make the clip fall off. One of the tricks of using the clip on approach is to secure the extended lead to a nearby object. I used a small piece of elec tape to secure the lead near the 47k pot to the edge of the video card. This way i could adjust the pot without putting any pressure or movement on the clip.

Worked great this way every time:)

[mackanz]

Great stuff and thatks for the info!

How about pricing?
I findthe grabber outrageous expensive....around 6-7 dollars each here in europe.
Whats the pricing on the clip?

Mac

[mdzcpa]

I went to Radio Shack here in the US for all my pieces. Togther everything was under $15 USD.

You need the following:

2 leads, preferably 3 or so inches long (I used 9v battery leads)
1 Micro Size 47k-Ohm Potentiometer Part #271-283
1 Micro Allegator Clip Part # 270-373B
1 Insulated-Crimp Spade-Tongue connector Part #64-3125
1 package of heat shrink wrap tubing Part #278-1610

Sorry I don't have individual pirces...can't recall and no longer have receipt.

Solder in order:
Spade-Tongue-->battery lead-->47k Pot-->battery lead-->Micro Clip
Use shrink wrap if you prefer to cover the solder connection, but leave some battery lead wire exposed for flexability of the lines. Connect the Micro Clip to PIN 7 on the IC chip, and connect the Tongue-spade connector to a mobo screw mount. (Note, I prefer to mount the ground connection firmly to a mobo screw mount so as not to run the risk of having the ground clip come off while the clip on the IC chip is still connected...this would be very bad and would probably short something out.)

[deerhunter]

Thanks for the information. Vcore mod is on my immediate project list!

I read somewhere that using a fixed resistance was better (22K), since voltage protection kicks in above 2.05V.

Is this true?

[JAWS]

Originally posted by deerhunter
Thanks for the information. Vcore mod is on my immediate project list!

I read somewhere that using a fixed resistance was better (22K), since voltage protection kicks in above 2.05V.

Is this true?

The voltage protection kicked in at 2.10 on my old KT7A. So I had to clip another 47k trimmer on pin 10 to override it! I wouldn't recommend a fixed resistor, because you can only change your vcore in the bios.

Again this is with older hardware. Mobo vmods probably have changed a little.

[majormav]

anyone know where i can get them in the UK cheers

[SOCOM]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
1 Insulated-Crimp Spade-Tongue connector Part #64-3125


Id personally use these for even more security.
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F005%5F003%5F005%5F000&product%5Fid=64%2D3117
Same thing but a ring connector.
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F006%5F008%5F024%5F000&product%5Fid=910%2D0231
These are what alot of people use as well.. I like them a little better then the aligator clips.



I remember the KT7 days where almost everyone used different value resistors instead of a micropot.. I'm wondering if a standard resistor might provide more consistant resistance, although it may be into the 100th's of a volt range.

-SOCOM

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by SOCOM


Id personally use these for even more security.
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F005%5F003%5F005%5F000&product%5Fid=64%2D3117
Same thing but a ring connector.


Probably not needed really. The chance of a spade connector coming off a properly tightened screw is remote. In addtion, you will find the spade connector is much easier to mount in the confines of a case because you do not need to remove a motherboard screw or case screw completely to mount it (unlike the loop)...just loosen the screw, tuck it under, and tighten.


http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F006%5F008%5F024%5F000&product%5Fid=910%2D0231
These are what alot of people use as well.. I like them a little better then the aligator clips.


I found these did not work as well as the micro alligator clips myself...but, hey, to each there own:) These prolly work good too.


I remember the KT7 days where almost everyone used different value resistors instead of a micropot.. I'm wondering if a standard resistor might provide more consistant resistance, although it may be into the 100th's of a volt range.

Absolutely not. You need the adjustability of the potentiometer. Every system is a bit different, and the adjustability is needed to tune the voltage. If you were to just use a resistor, you'd be playing hit n miss until you found the exact resistence needed....just not practical. In addition, the pot let's the user decide just how much over volt above the BIOS set voltage they wish to use.

BTW, for more info about the clip on voltage mod...check this article at Liquid Ninjas (http://www.liquidninjas.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=9)

[SOCOM]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
Absolutely not. You need the adjustability of the potentiometer. Every system is a bit different, and the adjustability is needed to tune the voltage. If you were to just use a resistor, you'd be playing hit n miss until you found the exact resistence needed....just not practical. In addition, the pot let's the user decide just how much over volt above the BIOS set voltage they wish to use.



The way it was done, there was table of exact resistances & the voltage ranges with your bios you could produce. You would then adjust your vcore along with that table to achieve different voltages dependant on different resistances used. (IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.) Most people stuck with a certain resistor based on how much max voltage they would need. I never did it this way, since it was very hoakey, but it was one vcore mod I have seen done. IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.

-SOCOM

[mdzcpa]

Originally posted by SOCOM


The way it was done, there was table of exact resistances & the voltage ranges with your bios you could produce. You would then adjust your vcore along with that table to achieve different voltages dependant on different resistances used. (IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.) Most people stuck with a certain resistor based on how much max voltage they would need. I never did it this way, since it was very hoakey, but it was one vcore mod I have seen done. IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.

-SOCOM

Oh yeah...that's right...I remember those tables. I think I had seen them on a few sites. Yep, that would take some of the hit n miss out of the process for sure:). But, I still think every system is a bit different and that on the fly adjustability is the way to go IMOHO.

BTW, my previous comment of "absolutely not" was referring more to the general use a resistor vs. a pot for on the fly adjustability purposes. Reading it over, I think my response was poorly worded. In fact, I beleive you are correct that using a resistor might provide marginally better consistent resistance.

Cheers:)

[SOCOM]

Originally posted by mdzcpa
But, I still think every system is a bit different and that on the fly adjustability is the way to go IMOHO.

I would agree with ya there! :)

What do you think about the looks of this volt mod?
http://socomoc.homestead.com/files/iwillmodstage2.jpg

That is the one that did 3.35 vcore. :)
-SOCOM

[JAWS]

Originally posted by SOCOM


The way it was done, there was table of exact resistances & the voltage ranges with your bios you could produce. You would then adjust your vcore along with that table to achieve different voltages dependant on different resistances used. (IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.) Most people stuck with a certain resistor based on how much max voltage they would need. I never did it this way, since it was very hoakey, but it was one vcore mod I have seen done. IE: Set the bios to 1.85, you get 2.0v, set it to 1.55, you get somewhere near 1.75v.

-SOCOM


Absolutely right! In fact that's how I did my first board. I think it was a fixed 1/4 22k resistor. (R131 to ground) Then I went with the variables, and tweaked in via monitor.

[Trik Nik]

I've been looking around for the Cermet variable resistors that MrIcee recomended but I have been unable to find a place on the web to order them. Would any of these be a valid subsitute? If so which ones.

http://www.action-electronics.com/pots.htm

A link to the Cermet VR's that MrIcee recomends would be great too! :D

Thanks, this will be my first vcore and vmem mod on a kx7 333r and hopefuly it goes smooth!

[JAWS]

Doc over at O/C found the SMD Grabber cheaper! Part# 885-5245

http://www.alliedelec.com/cart/partlookup.asp

[2xD]

So you just clip the the wire between the pin and this grabber, and the other lead goes to the potmeter then?
Cool, gotta get me some of these :)

[JAWS]

Here are some pics from Doc:

[JAWS]

clipped on pin

[sysfailur]

When done properly, soldering can be quite precise.

see pic: http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/misc_hardware_pictures/volt_mod_1.jpg

[JAWS]

Originally posted by sysfailur
When done properly, soldering can be quite precise.

see pic: http://www.maximumoc.com/img/hardware/misc_hardware_pictures/volt_mod_1.jpg

precise.....yes removable......no ;)

[Privateer]

I found you have to tape them in place cos if they move ur pc will crash,ive had to put one on leg 7 47K pot.and one on leg 10 a 47k pot set to 30k just to get a stable 2v,this KX7 hates V modds.

[AMD_nootrak4]

well i just got my SMD grabers but it dont work for me can someone help me i mean i tried the 7 pin and then it didnt work and then i put one of the smd on the 10 pin and it ddint do no diff. can some one explain to me please my email is nootrantk@yahoo.com please help me if u need pics just tell me ill take them and show you thx for ur help

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CPU - Athlon 1600 XP + (1,4ghz) @ 1783 MhZ (AGOIA)
FSB 164x11.0 (Bus @ 328mhz) Vcore @ 1.89 I/0v @ Max DDRV @ 2.65M
MotherBoard - Abit KX7-333R
OS - Win XP PRO
Ram - 256 DDR Cas 2.5 PC2100 Kingston , 256 cas 2.5 PC2100 Generic
Graphic Card - Abit siluro G Force 4 440 270 Core @ 333Mhz Mem 400 mhz @ 500mhz no addition cooling
Sound - Sound Blaster Live 5.1
Tv Tunner - ATI Wonder Ve
CD-Roms - (2 IDE S) 16x10x40 (2 IDE M) 52x CD Rom soon Upgrading
Harddrives - (1 IDE M Maxtor D740X 40 GB 7200 RPM AtA 133) (On Raid 1 M)MaXtor Diamond
Max Plus 25.4 GB 5400 RPM AtA 66)(On Raid 1 S WesternDigital WDC 20 GB 5400RPM AtA100)
Modem - Gateway Fax Modem
Network Card - Winbond
Tower - Lian Li PC61 Black case (Modded by me with a windows in the side panel And has legs now it can WALk LOL)
Home Made Round Cables
PS - 450 Watt Allied AL-B450EATX
Cooler - ALPHA PAL8045U

Last Update 12/02/2002 By Nootrak4 9:10 Am Eastern stander time
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[JAWS]

Originally posted by AMD_nootrak4
well i just got my SMD grabers but it dont work for me can someone help me i mean i tried the 7 pin and then it didnt work and then i put one of the smd on the 10 pin and it ddint do no diff. can some one explain to me please my email is nootrantk@yahoo.com please help me if u need pics just tell me ill take them and show you thx for ur help

Welcome AMD_nootrak4 :)

what kind of resistance did you use? trimmer or pots? Where did you ground?

[AMD_nootrak4]

Well i dont know i mean i just readed here about the SMD grabber and i thought that if i just put it on it would just creat the resistances so that mean i need other thing i mean can you explain in more details please. im reall like lost at the moment is my first time doing something like that sorry newbie :(


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CPU - Athlon 1600 XP + (1,4ghz) @ 1783 MhZ (AGOIA)
FSB 164x11.0 (Bus @ 328mhz) Vcore @ 1.89 I/0v @ Max DDRV @ 2.65M
MotherBoard - Abit KX7-333R
OS - Win XP PRO
Ram - 256 DDR Cas 2.5 PC2100 Kingston , 256 cas 2.5 PC2100 Generic
Graphic Card - Abit siluro G Force 4 440 270 Core @ 333Mhz Mem 400 mhz @ 500mhz no addition cooling
Sound - Sound Blaster Live 5.1
Tv Tunner - ATI Wonder Ve
CD-Roms - (2 IDE S) 16x10x40 (2 IDE M) DVD/CDRW Combo 16x D 32X B 10x RW 40x R
Harddrives - (1 IDE M Maxtor D740X 40 GB 7200 RPM AtA 133) (On Raid 1 M)MaXtor Diamond
Max Plus 25.4 GB 5400 RPM AtA 66)(On Raid 1 S WesternDigital WDC 20 GB 5400RPM AtA100)
Modem - Gateway Fax Modem
Network Card - Winbond
Tower - Lian Li PC61 Black case (Modded by me with a windows in the side panel And has legs now it can WALk LOL)
Home Made Round Cables
PS - 450 Watt Allied AL-B450EATX
Cooler - ALPHA PAL8045U

Last Update 12/02/2002 By Nootrak4 9:10 Am Eastern stander time
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[JAWS]

This will explain all

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1432

[Svenn]

Originally posted by JAWS
Doc over at O/C found the SMD Grabber cheaper! Part# 885-5245

http://www.alliedelec.com/cart/partlookup.asp

Am I missing something? $1.75 on the original page and $5.75 on that page? That's more expensive?

[JAWS]

well elexp.com has a $20 minimum. which really isn't that bad.

[AMD_nootrak4]

well i didn check that out tha tis how i got to this page. so the SMD graber are just meant to replace the soldring. see i thought it was diff u know i just thought that when i put the SMD that it was just going to do it lol. well im new so dont laugh after i do this im going to try my Graphic card i know that is a GF440 but i just want to try HEHEHEHE

P.S> i know i got a good overclock bu tim really going for 2.0ghz that is why i want to do the mod and i dont really want to buy other MB.i have an a old epox 8K7A+ and i tried it and it can make it but i just need some more volt. i got it to 2.0 ghz with wait 12.5 X 160. stable in bios just high temp HEHEHE it was at 55c in bios i know that it wont boot to windows but i just want to do it on my computer

Hye the pic are not loading that one that mrice did for some reason i dont know like the pics in the end well i need ot go to sleep need to go to work tomorrow thx for the help hey any of you can take pics of ur systems with the MOD

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CPU - Athlon 1600 XP + (1,4ghz) @ 1783 MhZ (AGOIA)
FSB 164x11.0 (Bus @ 328mhz) Vcore @ 1.89 I/0v @ Max DDRV @ 2.65M
MotherBoard - Abit KX7-333R
OS - Win XP PRO
Ram - 256 DDR Cas 2.5 PC2100 Kingston , 256 cas 2.5 PC2100 Generic
Graphic Card - Abit siluro G Force 4 440 270 Core @ 333Mhz Mem 400 mhz @ 500mhz no addition cooling
Sound - Sound Blaster Live 5.1
Tv Tunner - ATI Wonder Ve
CD-Roms - (2 IDE S) 16x10x40 (2 IDE M) DVD/CDRW Combo 16x D 32X B 10x RW 40x R
Harddrives - (1 IDE M Maxtor D740X 40 GB 7200 RPM AtA 133) (On Raid 1 M)MaXtor Diamond
Max Plus 25.4 GB 5400 RPM AtA 66)(On Raid 1 S WesternDigital WDC 20 GB 5400RPM AtA100)
Modem - Gateway Fax Modem
Network Card - Winbond
Tower - Lian Li PC61 Black case (Modded by me with a windows in the side panel And has legs now it can WALk LOL)
Home Made Round Cables
PS - 450 Watt Allied AL-B450EATX
Cooler - ALPHA PAL8045U

Last Update 12/02/2002 By Nootrak4 9:10 Am Eastern stander time
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[C3]

Hi@all

I want to do the VDD Mod for the 8RDA+ but I don't know which SMD grabbers to buy,do I need anything else and I don't know how they work.
Has anyone done the VDD Mod with grabbers?If so can you explain me how I can do that?

PS:I don't find them,how are they called in Germany?

[rainerausrs]

hi,

look at conrad.de or reichelt.de

there are 1kohm potis

[rainerausrs]

hi,

look right here


SMD PINZETTE (http://www.conrad.de/scripts/wgate/zcop_b2c1e7f5955/~flNlc3Npb249UDkwV0dBVEU6Q19BR0FURTAyOjAwMDAuMDQ3N S4wYTNjYzlhMiZ+aHR0cF9jb250ZW50X2NoYXJzZXQ9aXNvLTg 4NTktMSZ+U3RhdGU9Mjc3OTk3MzM0Mg==?%7Eevent=display&%7Etemplate=PCAT_AREA_S_BROWSE&p_page_to_display=aufriss&SPEC_AREA_GUID=54AC8C3C44F660F0E10000000A010251&x=28&y=8)

u also need a "SMD POTI" or "SMD TRIMMER" 1/4 watt 1kohm

[C3]

Your Link doesn't work.
Are the SMD Grabbers large?I mean on the pics from Jaws the were really tiny,but the ones which I've seen @ conrad.de were real big and they don't look like the ones which Jaws had.

[C3]

I've choosen a Potentiometer from conrad.de with this article number: 425079
Is this one okay?But I'm still looking for a SMD Pinzette.

[N8]

I don't know if anyone mentioned it yet cuz I don't have time to read the whole thread. But I snagged some SMD Grabbers from www.mouser.com. Reasonable price & shipping rates & I got them in 2 days :)

They're real slick...alot safer than the micro clips I was using before ;)

[SupaMan]

does radio shack have them? are they all the same? can you still fit a longAGP card in the slot? it looks like its sorta in the way

[SupaMan]

ermm..ok, thx for nothing :(

i bought some Pomonas from outpost....I hope my 9700 will still fit, it looks like it runs right into the area

[muzz]

Originally posted by N8
I don't know if anyone mentioned it yet cuz I don't have time to read the whole thread. But I snagged some SMD Grabbers from www.mouser.com. Reasonable price & shipping rates & I got them in 2 days :)

They're real slick...alot safer than the micro clips I was using before ;)

Holy cow....... I used mouser for a few items a long time ago..( we're talking over 10 years. b4 Gore created the internet....:toast:; ).... forgot they were even around ... hehehe

Flashbacks are taking their toll... please step back from the car......:toast:;)

[DuraN]

Anyone from scandinavia that know where to get these, eventually what they are called?

[luihed]

Originally posted by SupaMan
ermm..ok, thx for nothing :(

i bought some Pomonas from outpost....I hope my 9700 will still fit, it looks like it runs right into the area

Supa man, is this what you ordered from outpost?

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/2368809

if it is how do you like it? if not can you point me to the correct Pomona please. Thank you very much......

[Naasar]

Originally posted by JAWS
well elexp.com has a $20 minimum. which really isn't that bad.

Nice avator. didn't i destroy you? hehehe:D

[fLiPaChu]

Hey N8,

(im new here, but i just had to reply to your post) What's the part number on the pomona grabbers you got from mouser? Do you have any pics on em? Gotta make sure they hold tight!

flip:cool:

[Naasar]

i just ordered these (http://www.elexp.com/clp_5360.htm) . they should be here thursday along with some 1200 ohm 1/4 watt resistors.

i may be going to the nf7-s 1.2 if i do not like the results of the vdd mod. :p

[Evil_Spork]

any other place to geth those? both those places i would end up spending over $20 for two lil grabbers... any ideas? or is it off to radio shack?

[Trakfast11]

i found some smd grabbers at mouser electronics about 3 months ago. didn't have to buy in bulk or have a minimum price for my order. here is a link to the site where i bought mine.
http://www.mouser.com/index.cfm?handler=productsearch._listproductsearch&searchtype=starts+with&criteria=smd+grabber&searchby=PartNumber&x=6&y=10

the two smd grabbers i bought did not come with a wire attached, just manually did that myself. It is a little tricky figuring out the best way to attach the wire to the smd grabber the first couple of times you try (this is if your smd grabber doesn't come with a wire pre-attached).

p.s: be sure to press the link under the Mouser Part# column in order to see a link that you can use to add that part to your basket.

[JAWS]

Wow thanks for the link Trakfast11 :toast:

Welcome to the forums!

[TheDude]

I have had some trouble with the grabbers coming loose in the past, so I used my wife's hot glue gun that she uses for crafts and secured them with a dot of glue...works well...I guess superglue probably would too. :D

[saaya]

but then you could just solder it , wouldnt make a big difference then :p

[JAWS]

Originally posted by TheDude
I have had some trouble with the grabbers coming loose in the past, so I used my wife's hot glue gun that she uses for crafts and secured them with a dot of glue...works well...I guess superglue probably would too. :D

Man that sucks. I hate to admit it, but I use the ones from Radio Shack. :p

[TheDude]

Originally posted by saaya
but then you could just solder it , wouldnt make a big difference then :p

Makes a big difference....who would use grabbers in the 1st place if they had any solderring skills? You can get hot wax all over the board....nonconductive and picks off with a fingernail :D

[saaya]

yeah and you dont loose your warranty :D ... well i know a guy who has excellent soldering skills and he did the soldering work for me :) i think i would have used grabbers as well if i wouldnt know him... well i would have tried to find some but probably failed... havent seen any in germany

[Creative]

I preffer to use Grabbers cos I have absolutly no soldering skills whatsoever :D
hehehehe

I did have a vcore mod on the IT7 that a mate soldered for me and it was awesome....u just melted the solder to remove it.....But with the smaller legs, eg the IS7 vdimm mod legs, Im going to use a grabber cos they are just so damn small

See how it goes I guess when we attempt it. Whatever suits it best, we will do :)

ps
just looking at the Winbond chip on the IS7 mobo and sheesh how small are those legs!!!!!!??????.........no grabbers here......gotta get my mate to solder i guess :)

[Revv23]

Is there a way to connect the wires to my pot without soldiering?

[JAWS]

Originally posted by Revv23
Is there a way to connect the wires to my pot without soldiering?

It's possible, but very risky. Just practice some before soldering your pot/trimmer.

[Revv23]

Ok, Thanks Jaws.

[gouda96]

I am not sure exactly which smd grabbers to get. Which ones come with a wire already attatched to them? I have no problem ordering from elexp being that I have about 8 vmods I want to do right now...2 mobos, and 3 vid cards.

please let me know...these catalogs are confusing, and hard to see what I am getting.

thanks.

[JAWS]

Originally posted by gouda96
I am not sure exactly which smd grabbers to get. Which ones come with a wire already attatched to them? I have no problem ordering from elexp being that I have about 8 vmods I want to do right now...2 mobos, and 3 vid cards.

please let me know...these catalogs are confusing, and hard to see what I am getting.

thanks.

i'll search and see if I can find some with the wires connected.


edit this was at allied:

http://www.alliedelec.com/catalog/pf.asp?FN=1085.pdf

trying N8's website and waiting for email back from elexp

[Popcicle]

aha.... grabbers w/wire attached.

good show.

[TheDude]

You're a good man Jaws! ;)

[gouda96]

is it difficult to attatch the wires? I would imagine you need to solder them, but precision probably isn't a big deal. I am asking becuase those with the wires are like...3x the price of without the wires. If you guys say it is tough i don't mind spending the money to get it done right.

oh...also, how do you attatch the wire to the pot...i don't mean which leg or anything, but physically? Solder?

thanks alot for the help guys...i realy appreciate it...my mem sure won't when i start shooting 3.3-3.5v through my geil3200 gd and bh-5 buffalo :D

[JAWS]

Originally posted by gouda96
is it difficult to attatch the wires? I would imagine you need to solder them, but precision probably isn't a big deal. I am asking becuase those with the wires are like...3x the price of without the wires. If you guys say it is tough i don't mind spending the money to get it done right.

oh...also, how do you attatch the wire to the pot...i don't mean which leg or anything, but physically? Solder?


yeah you have to solder to the grabber, but like you said it doesn't have to look pretty.

you also have to solder to pot. again nothing to precise.

[gouda96]

so allied is the cheapest then? I think I am gonna go ahead and order like 10 or 20 of them. I have some friends that wouldn't mind having me do some more mods for them :D. I have some 18 gauge hookup wire here, and a few pots...but not enough...can just get them at radiocrap then.

[JAWS]

Originally posted by gouda96
so allied is the cheapest then? I think I am gonna go ahead and order like 10 or 20 of them. I have some friends that wouldn't mind having me do some more mods for them :D. I have some 18 gauge hookup wire here, and a few pots...but not enough...can just get them at radiocrap then.

sure, I buy everything except for the grabbers from RadioShack. hell for my last volt mod I used the test clips from RS. :rolleyes:

[gouda96]

realy? what mobo was that, and how well did they work?

do you have a link to them online?

[JAWS]

Originally posted by gouda96
realy? what mobo was that, and how well did they work?

do you have a link to them online?

it was a kx7. I don't really recommend using them they just come to close to the neighboring pins. just searched their website and didn't see them. (only the large clips) they are called micro test or jumper clips.

[gouda96]

are there any guides on attatching wires to the grabbers/pots or should i just lay the solder on there...just as long as i don't connect the legs on the pots.

I have never used a soldering iron before, but I am a very fast learner...if i had a soldering iron i would have probably practiced then used solder, but since i have to go get it i will just order some grabbers to delay my having to go to radiocrap...i hate the guys that work there...they are real jerks

[gouda96]

I am gonna pick some of these (http://www.elexp.com/clp_5243.htm) up tomorrow. I think I will get 12 of them. I think that is what I need, and I think that is the min. that I need.

are those (http://www.elexp.com/clp_5243.htm) any different from these (http://www.elexp.com/clp_5360.htm)? Are they better or worse, or what should each be used for?

[JAWS]

Just go for the SMD grabber, not the square pin.

This test clip is suited for testing surface mounted packages on centers as small as 0.03". Pincer-like contact grasps individual legs of SMD's

I think their better because of the 0.03"

[gouda96]

cool...gonna order them...didn't get home til late tonight.

[Dirty_Punk]

you can do these mod without smd grabbers & without soldering, just see this guide
http://www.pctuner.net/php/Articoli/Articolo.php?ID=223
it's in italian but the images is enought to understand the method ;)
the ti4200 taken for the mod is just an example, all the mod that you can do with smd grabbers you can do with this method :toast:

[gouda96]

unfortunately i can't read it, but It seem slike you just loop a few strans of the cu wire through the loop at the top of the leg? Would it work with just 1 strad? Seems very simple, and probably would never fall off.

[Dirty_Punk]

Originally posted by gouda96
unfortunately i can't read it, but It seem slike you just loop a few strans of the cu wire through the loop at the top of the leg? Would it work with just 1 strad? Seems very simple, and probably would never fall off.

yes, a loop around the pin, simple and resistant, for now works for ti4200/4600, rad 9500/9700, p4p800/p4c800 vmem, any hip6301 or 6302... works in any place where smd grabbers works and doesn't cost anything ;)

[gouda96]

Do you just needd 1 strand? how sturdy is 1 strad?

[Dirty_Punk]

simply you use one of the CU wire inside an electrical wire, it's enought tiny and resistant, make with it an L and use it to pass under the pin, after you make a loop by interlacing the IN wire with the OUT wire

need a small clamp to do this

[gouda96]

yeah, we understand that, but is 1 strand enough? How sturdy is one of these strands?

[TheDude]

simply you use one of the CU wire inside an electrical wire

[gouda96]

omg...just forget I ever said that...I need to get more than 2hours of sleep a night

[st0nedpenguin]

Dirty_Punk, get yourself over to the UK now, I need to buy you a beer! :D

Why the hell didn't I think of that before toasting my last motherboard?

Oh well, I think this could come in handy for my Raddy.

[Dirty_Punk]

Originally posted by st0nedpenguin
Dirty_Punk, get yourself over to the UK now, I need to buy you a beer! :D

Why the hell didn't I think of that before toasting my last motherboard?

Oh well, I think this could come in handy for my Raddy.

:D
happy to be usefull ;)

[gouda96]

:banana: dirty I just practiced a mod on a dead nf7-s rev2...using this technique took me like 2 min. to do the whole thing, and it gives the most clean look of any technique I have seen so far. I can't see anyway to ruin a mobo with the application side of the vmod now...adjusting is a different story, but that was the easy part before.

You are a board, and a life saver!!! That is one hell of a find...I have linked to that about 10000 times already i think. Try to spread the word as best as I can :toast:

[Dirty_Punk]

if you want here there is a alternative mode to vmod the vddr on the nf7-s v2.0, it's qithout any type of soldering, only silver conductive paint
http://www.pctuner.net/php/Articoli/Articolo.php?ID=224
i have used it and it works fine right now for about 4-6 month (don't remember exactly :D) and continuosly changing memory sticks, so have good resistance...
unfortunatelly the article is always in italian but if you want i can translate the most confused parts, but as you can read my english isn't very good :D :p

[gouda96]

What is that gummy stuff...looks like vaseline.

I am pretty lost in that one. I am assuming you just hold the wire to the chip that is always used in the nf7-s vdd mod with that gummy stuff? I would be more comfortable with a pencil and some tape, but still cool...

It would be cool if you could give a broad translation, and maybe I could give it a shot.

[N00B pro]

Can i use a 10kohm for 9800pro to do a Vddr mod???? Most websites say use a 20kohm but will a 10kohm do the job? and how much should a 10kohm raise the vddr voltage from 2.9default????

[gouda96]

I would post that in a thread about a 9800pro vmod...this thread is realy for techniques by which to do vmods.

[Dirty_Punk]

Originally posted by gouda96
What is that gummy stuff...looks like vaseline.

I am pretty lost in that one. I am assuming you just hold the wire to the chip that is always used in the nf7-s vdd mod with that gummy stuff? I would be more comfortable with a pencil and some tape, but still cool...

It would be cool if you could give a broad translation, and maybe I could give it a shot.

the mod is for vddr, not vdd
this mod use hot glue to block the wire in the right position for the mod, blocking it in one side of the resistance to mod, and after blocked it you use conductive silver to make full contact between the wire and the resistance
the mod is full safe if you done it right and it's very resistance, and you can remove it when you want without any sign of the mod ;)

[gouda96]

so it is easy to remove the hot glue?

[Dirty_Punk]

Originally posted by gouda96
so it is easy to remove the hot glue?

if it's applied on a flat place it's very easy, if it's applyed on an irregular place not so easy..
howether in the mod it is applied on the regular surface of a memory slot, sot it's easy ;)

[gouda96]

wtf...this isn't a sticky anymore?

Stick this again...we don't want to lose this!!!

[brwmogazos]

My P4C800 E Deluxe Vmod using an SMD grabber...running my Mushkin level 2 black @ 3.15V :)
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/brwmogazos/14595/172548/0/DSC00543.JPG

[JAWS]

Very nice brwmogazos! Thanks for the pic :toast:

[gouda96]

brwmogazos, great looking mod. You should post that pic in the p4c800 vmod thread also, and also posting a pic of the vr, and where you grounded it could help some people out...very nice pick and mod!

Keep on modding!!!

[brwmogazos]

Thanks guys...its my first v mod ever :)

heres another pic of the mod showing the VR :)

http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/brwmogazos/14595/172549/0/DSC00544.JPG

[kommando]

Looks mad, im gonan do this. Is there any risk of the grabber falling off?

[Revv23]

Yes, there is. Just be careful when moving your case.

[Cole]

Just wondering about something here. I to just used my first grabber style VCore mod on my Gigabyte K8N Pro (TIP - stick grabber down on mobo with seal string) Does it make a difference if you ground it using a fan header and an actual point on the mobo like a screw hole ? I seemed to get better results using a spare fan header than the CPU fan header ?

[w00kiec00kie]

wait, how is the second source cheaper?? I dont get it! :confused:

[finwe]

Guys, anyone knows where i can buy SMD Grabbers in UK?

[Privateer]

Guys, anyone knows where i can buy SMD Grabbers in UK?


http://www.greenweld.co.uk/acatalog/Shop_Electronic_56.html

[SunTzu69]

Will these little devils attach properly to all of the contact points required to do the vmod for core, memory, overvolt and vddq on an ATI X800 for example? In other words are these grabbers only good for certain vmods, or will they clip just about anywhere for graphic cards as well?

[JAWS]

Will these little devils attach properly to all of the contact points required to do the vmod for core, memory, overvolt and vddq on an ATI X800 for example? In other words are these grabbers only good for certain vmods, or will they clip just about anywhere for graphic cards as well?

I know many people have used them on video cards. I guess it just depends on the chip and how spaced out the legs are.