Ultimate system!!!

[pcguru]

Hi guys can u plz post wat u think is the best system around for my budget which is $4000. As u can see i can not afford any extreme phase change system etc. I have the operating software and mouse keyboard and monitor. I just want a top of the range system for multitasking and gaming. Memory is also very important. I hav checked various websites but cannot make a decision, hope u can help me. Plus im a total n00b to cooling plz suggest a cooling system thank u.

thx

pcguru

[Magnj]

Go...Away...Fat Man.

[Okda]

what si ur monitor ?

[Silver Bullet]

Go buy a Falcon NW system :) If you can't figure out what is best then maybe you should let a good company decide.

[pcguru]

my monitor is a apple cinima display 30"

[Okda]

niceeeeeeee

u need an SLI or Crossfire setup to be able to play games

can u wait for a month till the latest vga card from Ati is out, i am talking about X1950XTx

also where do u live ? US or something else ?

[pcguru]

i live in uk but i say in dollars for easier communication

i can wait as well

[BlackX]

u need an SLI or Crossfire setup to be able to play games
Pffff like you cant play games with single card :stick:

[vudoodoodoo]

This has got to be a joke...

[BlackX]

Go...Away...Fat Man.

:ROTF:

[Moonraker™]

I expected to flame this post. I just read a post in another section with someone complaining about peeps coming on here not knowing anything.

They saying "this is an extreme forum" etc.

Tis nice some people can be good. But I'd agree with Silver Bullet. Excpet cos you in the UK, try looking around. I can't recommed Alienware as they now a Dell whore and me hates Dell. Nor can I recommened gladiatorcomputers as my mate is having so many problems with getting SLi to work properly on his system he brought from them.... (STUPID GIT. I DID TELL HIM TO LET ME BUILD IT!)

But if you get on the phone to them they will let you tinker with their PC's. i.e. if you wanted a different chip or no GPU and then they process the order over the blower.

[Okda]

Pffff like you cant play games with single card :stick:


on a 30"screen ?

[BlackX]

on a 30"screen ?

why not?

[trakslacker]

why not?


sure you can, if you're talking about minesweeper. ;)

[ownage]

First of all, u need a special videocard that can handle a 30inch, and second, a fat man can better buy a XBOX360 for gaming.
OR:
look at complete xtreme systems such as Alienware: http://www.alienware.com/product_pages/desktop_all_default.aspx

[heydo6]

ex6800 -cpu $1200
evga 7950 512 -gpu $900
g-skill 2x1gb ddr2 -$400
asus mother board p5b -$250
custom water cooling just get the cpu and everything close to mine in my sig that should be a good start for your seach . read read read goodluck

[Moonraker™]

You could save loads on not getting the X6800 tbh. I mean go for it if you have the dough, but the E6600 is a good "cheap (if you will)" CPU.

[Aldy402]

just go to velocity micro or falcon nw, they also do water

they should be able to better suit your needs. I dont think you would have the expertise to configure such a high grade system anyways, so let them do it for you! it comes at a premium but u do get a nice paint job =)

[Okda]

just checkl those links

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101396
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106479
INTEL Bench Machine


Processor:
Intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz, 1066FSB, LGA775, 4MB Cache Retail ***Free Shipping*** - $1,185
Motherboard:
MSI 975X Platinum Socket T (LGA 775) Intel 975X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail - $210
CPU Heatsink:
THERMALRIGHT SI-128 CPU Cooling Heatsink - Retail - $50
Memory:
TeamGroup 2 Gb Kit DDR2 (2 x 1Gb) 3-3-3-8 667 Mhz ***Guaranteeed D9GMH*** - $255
Storage:
2 X Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $340
Sound:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic Sound Card - Retail - $112
Graphics:
Sapphire X1950XTX GDDR4 - $450 - When Available
Sapphire X1950 Crossfire GDDR4 - $450 - When Available
Graphics Heatsink(s):
2 X ZALMAN VF900 – CU 2 Ball VGA Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail - $68
Case:
Thermaltake Eureka VC8000SWA Black Chassis : 1.0mm all aluminum Front bezel : Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail - $160
Power Supply:
Enermax Galaxy Modular PFC 850W Power Supply EGA850EWL, SLI & Crossfire Ready, Supports SATA & PCI-E. ds - $289

Total: $3,569 + $100 Shipping = $3,669




OR


AMD Bench Machine


Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 Processor FX-62 AM2, Retail - $807
Motherboard:
Foxconn C51XEM2AA- 8EKRS2H ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail - $195
CPU Heatsink:
ZALMAN CNPS 9500 AM2 2 Ball Green LED Light CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail - $64
Memory:
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM Unbuffered DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail - $402
Storage:
2 X Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM - $500
Sound:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic Sound Card - Retail - $112
Graphics:
2 X GIGABYTE GV-3D1-7950-RH Geforce 7950GX2 1GB (512MB x2) 512-bit (256-bit x2) GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Dual GPU Video Card - Retail - $999
Case:
Thermaltake Eureka VC8000SWA Black Chassis : 1.0mm all aluminum Front bezel : Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail - $160
Power Supply:
Enermax Galaxy Modular PFC 850W Power Supply EGA850EWL, SLI & Crossfire Ready, Supports SATA & PCI-E. ds - $289

Total: $3,528 + $120 Shipping = $3,648

[pcguru]

i hav decided to go with a sutom builst setup. And pre built will not do because i want to build my self.

My (future) setup

Intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz,

Asus P5W DH Deluxe

XMS2 DOMINATORTM DDR2 Performance Memory TWIN2X2048-8888C4DFx4

2 X Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

IRAM 4gb

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite pro Sound Card -

Sapphire X1950XTX GDDR4 -
Sapphire X1950 Crossfire GDDR4 -

TURBO-COOL® 1KW-Quad SLI



No decison on cooling or case so plz suggest

[perkam]

i hav decided to go with a sutom builst setup. And pre built will not do because i want to build my self.

My (future) setup

Intel® Core 2 Extreme X6800 Conroe Processor 2.93GHz,

Asus P5W DH Deluxe

XMS2 DOMINATORTM DDR2 Performance Memory TWIN2X2048-8888C4DFx4

2 X Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM 8MB Cache Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

IRAM 4gb

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite pro Sound Card -

Sapphire X1950XTX GDDR4 -
Sapphire X1950 Crossfire GDDR4 -

TURBO-COOL® 1KW-Quad SLI



No decison on cooling or case so plz suggestThermaltake shark for case. Big typhoon for cooling and a vapochill down the road.

Perkam

[m0da]

Also, skip the 74gb raptors, get two 150gb raptors if you have that money.
and heck throw in an extra 750gb 7200rpm sata2 drive. maybe even 2 of them.

you can get a http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1180/cas-117/Asetek_Vapochill_XE_II_Titanium_Cooling_System_-_Pentium_4_Socket_775_01-L-4115_-_FREE_ALPHACOOL_KIT.html?tl=g1c195s433 and have case+greatcooling all in one!

[Okda]

ya skip the raptors

and u can buy an E6600 now for 350$ and after couple fo months buy the 4core keinstfield which will be much more better than the X6800

[ReD.SkY]

wow i wish i had this kind of dough

Conroe X6800 or E6700
Asus P5W-G2 W64 Pro
X1950XTX X-fire or wait till negt gen cards.
4 x Seagate 7200.10 320GB HDD's (will pwn dual raptors) in RAID0
Team Xtreem PC2-6400
Dual pioneer slot load dvd-rws

Mountainmods U2-UFO or U2-UFO Horizon or Opti1203

Custom watercooling just like mine in my sig with a MP-05 SP LE waterblock and another DDC Ultra if you want.

PC Power and Cooling 1KW or 850w OR Tagan 1100w

[pcguru]

thanks guys for ur imput i think i will skip the raptors and go for the 150gp versions and 2 500gb seagate hd

but me dont know do i still need tne iram??

also u say there is a quad core cpu?? i ahv head of whitefeild etc but do u know when it comes out and how much it will cost??

thx pepalitys of the worlds

plus if u can give me a fulllist of wat a good future setup will be that would be helpful thx

[pcguru]

plus is my mobo a bad choice

[Okda]

it will cost teh same as the X6800now ~999$

when i think@ the end of this year

[pcguru]

ok thx so can u guys give me a final list of items in which my comp should include and also plz give us som advice thx

[zakelwe]

Don't forget to spend some money on a good comfy chair if you are going to be spending anytime on your new uber machine. It would be a shame to spend all that money and then get backache after only 1 hour or so.


Regards

Andy

[inntruzion]

Don't forget to spend some money on a good comfy chair if you are going to be spending anytime on your new uber machine. It would be a shame to spend all that money and then get backache after only 1 hour or so.


Regards

Andy

:lol: ^

Ya wouldnt want your back breakin :lol:

[koensa]

i-ram is not needed at all
if your going to do raid on those 150 raptors thats more then enough.

i-ram isnt good for gamers, you can only load your os and 1(max2 )games.

[inntruzion]

i-ram is like quad sli lol, just get it for bragging rights, its not all that great. Boot time is increased but all in all there is much difference. I would rather get better cooling (custom watercooling is my love atm but phase is like :slobber: and awesome for ocing), and better mem. G.Skills great stuff, as is Team Xtreem.

Most important thing for you though is DONT SKIMP ON THE PSU!!! You get awesome parts u also need an awesome psu. Otherwise you'll have a whole set of nice brand new but burnt components. grab a PCP&C if your on that kinda budget.

Also 1950XTX is out in a couple of weeks, I dunno what ur thinkin for a vid card, but two of those in xfire will pwn. And i'd rather get an awesome dx9 setup then a 1st gen dx10. You wont be playing dx10 in a year or so so I think it's best to grab a nice setup now and let it take u through till dx10 is rly kicking ass and Vista is on its way.

Above all get a bloody leather chair :lol: And a 30" monitor :D Your lucky as hell mate lol u must be loaded :p:

[pcguru]

ok thx but u seem to be confusing me tell me which hd@s to use and tell me the speed of them thx

plus if u can list a full list of the dream machine which i want thx

[smith_6079]

ok thx but u seem to be confusing me tell me which hd@s to use and tell me the speed of them thx

plus if u can list a full list of the dream machine which i want thx
They already have.

[Moonraker™]

ok thx but u seem to be confusing me tell me which hd@s to use and tell me the speed of them thx

plus if u can list a full list of the dream machine which i want thx

Bloody hell m8. Seriously. How about you pay someone to build it for you form here?

It's not hard to know that Raptors are the benchmark for single drives. If you're going raid 0, then Raptors and Seagate 7200.10's are both fast.

It can help if you know what you want exactly as it might come down to performance vs storage vs price.

2x 150GB Raptors in Raid 0 - Will give you HIGH speed, 300GB HDD space and cost you around £350 (incl. P&P).

2x 320GB Seagate 7200.10 in Raid 0 - Will give you GOOD speed, 640GB HDD space and cost you £145 (again including P&P).

1x 4GB iRam - Will give you ÜBER speed, just enough space for the OS and will cost you roughly £640. That's around £160 per GB!! - Nearly 100 times more expensive than even the "clear case" Raptor X.


BTW Just a little off topic... This post made me laugh: http://www.planetamd64.com/index.php?showtopic=26051

I mean :doh: lol.

[pcguru]

that is funny that guy should be banned anyway thx for help but u know im goin with 4 raptors and im goin to rune them in raid 0+1 wat u think??

plus i am goin to try and buy a phase change system for the cpu if i hav money left

i will use a beer cooler with antifrees in the pipes to coll the rest of teh components when i ahv the money


Wat u think??

[3oh6]

that is funny that guy should be banned
wow...quite a statement with a rap sheet like this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2077706).

[pcguru]

wow...quite a statement with a rap sheet like this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2077706).


wat

[Moonraker™]

Woah. Watch the attitude! - Peeps here are trying to help. Saying "WAT" (btw it's spelt "WHAT") isn't very nice when you're asking for help. It sounds aggressive.... and right now he's echoing what I'm starting to feel!

Tbh m8, I think you'd be best served getting one from Scan (can't believe I forgot them!)

customer Service is out of this world compared to the likes of OcUK, and tbh, you really sound like you may not be up to building one yourself. Not being funny or anything, it's just the impression I'm getting.

Here's a link to thei "3xS" systems: SCAN 3xS SYSTEMS (http://3xs.scan.co.uk/).

I think that will help you more.

[lookmomnobrains]

VapoChill LightSpeed $850
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 $1120
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) $400
x1950xtx + x1950 cf +/-$900
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP $270
OCZ GameXStream 700W $160
2 X Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM $340
Lian Li PC-65 $120

= +/- $4160

[inntruzion]

VapoChill LightSpeed $850
Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 $1120
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) $400
x1950xtx + x1950 cf +/-$900
ASUS P5W DH DELUXE/WIFI-AP $270
OCZ GameXStream 700W $160
2 X Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM $340
Lian Li PC-65 $120

= +/- $4160

No point getting C2X right now. Get a C2D E6600 and grab a Kentsfield when they come out.

And... only 150GB of storage space???!!! And Raptors aren't a personal fav of mine lol... even with 2x 150GB WD Raptors in RAID0, 4x Seagate 7200.10 320GB pwn em. Only way to get good outta Raptors is to put 4 of em in RAID0 which is expensive and noisy. Rather go Seagate.

Also memory is overkill. You can get DDR2 800 up to 1066 speeds, and G.Skill is better for OCing than Corsair. Just a lil personal preference :)

If ur nice, you can get a better cooling solution than VapoChill LS for less. There are some amazing phase change builders over in the phase change forum...just look around for someone who can build one for you. You'll get better performance for less. Which we like :D

Otherwise looks awesome :slobber:

Anywho, here's my ultimate dream machine :banana:

Case: CoolerMaster Stacker 830 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119103) $220
Case Fans: 4x Scythe S-Flex $60
CPU: C2D E6600 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115003) $370
CPU Cooling: Custom Phase Change $700 +/-
MB: Asus P5B DH Deluxe/WIFI-AP (Socket 775) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025) $270
Memory: G.Skill 2x1GB Dual Channel DDR2800 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231065) $250
PSU: SeaSonic ATX12V 600Watts (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817151025) $160
GPU: ATi Radeon X1950XTX + ATi Radeon X1950 Crossfire Edition $900 +/-
GPU Cooling: Custom WaterCooling - AquaXtreme50Z Pump, Swiftech MCW60 VGA Waterblock, ThermoChill PA120.3 Radiator, Alphacool Cape Coolplex Internal Reservoir, Tubing, Fittings, Swiftech HydrX Coolant Additive $320 +/-
HDD: 4x Seagate 7200.10 320GB in RAID 0 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148140) $380
Sound Card: Creative Labs SoundBlaster X-Fi Elite (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16829102191) $285
Nice Comfy Leather Chair $95

TOTAL: $4000 +/-

:D:D:D

[Judaeus Apella]

Ignore everything everyone has said (unless they've said what I'm about to say. :D ), and look at the road map links below. This is a bad time to build a system. All the good stuff being released is right around the corner in the 4th Quarter of this year. We're talking Vista, the new Direct Draw 10 video cards, new processors, etc. All this is coming out very soon and most people are waiting for it.

Read about the nVidia G80 here: http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ306.htm

Read about ATI R600 and Windows Vista here: http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ406.htm

Both of those pages have information on AMD and Intel CPU's coming out soon.

If you build a system now, you're going to pay a lot of money for something thats going to be very obsolete in only a few months, when you could have waited just a little bit and built a cutting edge system, ready for what ever the future is going to throw at you.

By the way, NEVER buy a prebuilt system. Building a rig is not nearly as hard as it sounds. You'll have a lot of fun, and its a great experience.... not to mention you'll save a bundle of money, which you can use to build a better system. Also, if you build a rig your self, you'll have a better idea of whats wrong and what to do, if something goes wrong with it later, like a bad part, since you know your rig better than anyone else. You'll be able to get it working much faster as a result. Also, you'll get a great sense of pride from it, and walk taller as a result.

[inntruzion]

Ignore everything everyone has said

Cheers mate :p:


This is a bad time to build a system. All the good stuff being released is right around the corner in the 4th Quarter of this year. We're talking Vista, the new Direct Draw 10 video cards, new processors, etc. All this is coming out very soon and most people are waiting for it.


Yeah, but no aswell. Only DX10 cards coming up, and Kentsfield in January. Vista is being launched next summer at least, and good choice of DX10 games are a way away.


If you build a system now, you're going to pay a lot of money for something thats going to be very obsolete in only a few months, when you could have waited just a little bit and built a cutting edge system, ready for what ever the future is going to throw at you.

Ahhh nooo. Build a cutting edge system now, and it will NOT be obselete in a few months. When the G80 comes out what will you play on ur nice new DX10 vid card?? Only DX9 games. So you might as well buy a better DX9 rig now for less, and get the 2nd gen of DX10 cards when they come. By then Kentsfield, a good choice of DX10 games and Vista will have hit. THAT is the right time to buy a new rig, not in a few months. Just my $0.02 lol.


By the way, NEVER buy a prebuilt system. Building a rig is not nearly as hard as it sounds. You'll have a lot of fun, and its a great experience.... not to mention you'll save a bundle of money, which you can use to build a better system. Also, if you build a rig your self, you'll have a better idea of whats wrong and what to do, if something goes wrong with it later, like a bad part, since you know your rig better than anyone else. You'll be able to get it working much faster as a result. Also, you'll get a great sense of pride from it, and walk taller as a result.

You made me cry man. It's all just too true.

That should be at the top of every page on XS :D

[Judaeus Apella]

Yeah... it should. lol

But back to Vista... Why does it say this road map page?

"Windows Vista (Longhorn), the successor to Windows XP, is expected to be released in two phases, with the business oriented products on November 15th and the consumer versions in January 2007"

That's not November 2007, thats November 2006... Who's right? You or Mike? Dammit... I really want it to come out soon! (So it drops in price this time next year :D )

Also, instead of getting a G80, maybe he should find a deal on a cheaper 7 series, then wait till the GT version of the G80 comes out, and invest in that? Thats probably what I'd do. Its a small sacrifice, and it feels like its worth it.

[inntruzion]

Yeah... it should. lol

But back to Vista... Why does it say this road map page?

"Windows Vista (Longhorn), the successor to Windows XP, is expected to be released in two phases, with the business oriented products on November 15th and the consumer versions in January 2007"

That's not November 2007, thats November 2006... Who's right? You or Mike? Dammit... I really want it to come out soon! (So it drops in price this time next year :D )


Well...I dunno cos I always thought it was being delayed again...do you know when that roadmap was published??? It says R600 is expected to be released in October though and it's gonna be later than that but u got me all confused lol. I'm not really bothered when it comes out...I'm gonna get a nice dx9 system now and upgade to Vista and dx10 late 2007.


Also, instead of getting a G80, maybe he should find a deal on a cheaper 7 series, then wait till the GT version of the G80 comes out, and invest in that? Thats probably what I'd do. Its a small sacrifice, and it feels like its worth it.

Hmmm. When G80 comes out, surely the late dx9 cards will go right down in price to keep em competitive....I know for one that nearly everyone here's holding out for dx10 before they get their rig, but surely they would be tempted by an x1950 crossfire rig for dead cheap....I know i would. I'm no economist but I wouldn't be surprised if during the next few weeks dx9 cards will soar up in price and when g80 hits, will plummet. I would get a high end dx9 card then and grab a dx10 card when Vista is in full flow and dx10 games are a-plenty.

[Moonraker™]

Only DX10 cards coming up, and Kentsfield in January. Vista is being launched next summer at least, and good choice of DX10 games are a way away.

I can't see this happening you know. The more I hear people say end of this year for DX10 the more it's gets off the mark.

If Vista is planned (and released) in January. Fine end of this year. But if what you said is true (Vista in the summer) then there's no point in releasing DX10 cards in January, never mind November as XP won't support them and Vista will be too far off.

I can only see the benefits of NVid/AMDTI (lol) keeping them back and revising them more and auto-pushing the DX10 2nd (DX10b) gen ones out. I mean, don't get me wrong they'll have to make some this year for all the developers out there to test etc. But for the public, if we're waiting until next summer then it'd be beneficial for Micro$oft and the GPU developers (S3 anyone?? lol) to release all at the same time / a week or month before each other.

BTW, does anyone think S3 will attempt a DX10 card :p

[3oh6]

BTW, does anyone think S3 will attempt a DX10 card :p
attempt and be the first to show it off...this is old, check the date.

http://www.techpowerup.com/?14318

[Moonraker™]

attempt and be the first to show it off...this is old, check the date.

http://www.techpowerup.com/?14318

lol nice. thx.

Gotta love the morons on there slating it. FFS, it ain't even released yet. It's an internal beta. They're all moaning about no memory heatsinks... lol. Prats. let's see it at release.

Nice to see they trying tbh.

[inntruzion]

I can't see this happening you know. The more I hear people say end of this year for DX10 the more it's gets off the mark.

If Vista is planned (and released) in January. Fine end of this year. But if what you said is true (Vista in the summer) then there's no point in releasing DX10 cards in January, never mind November as XP won't support them and Vista will be too far off.

I can only see the benefits of NVid/AMDTI (lol) keeping them back and revising them more and auto-pushing the DX10 2nd (DX10b) gen ones out. I mean, don't get me wrong they'll have to make some this year for all the developers out there to test etc. But for the public, if we're waiting until next summer then it'd be beneficial for Micro$oft and the GPU developers (S3 anyone?? lol) to release all at the same time / a week or month before each other.

Exactly. Vista and DX10 is being delayed time after time. It'll be much more beneficial to get a good dx9 rig now, wait a year, then get a good DX10 rig when Vista and that lot hit.

The Do-not-wait-for-dx10 species is a rare breed in this forum :D It's nice to meet one of ur own :toast:

EDIT: Maybe this should become the "official" Vista and DX10 thread. I'm sure pcguru's legacy would like that :lol::lol::lol:

[Judaeus Apella]

This is good... in a way. Bio Shock is coming out in a little while, and I don't want it being overlooked because of the DX10 hype. Bio Shock is gonna kick some serious @ss. :D

Check it out! http://www.sshock2.com/bioshock/screenshots/

[Moonraker™]

Well, I decided on not getting a 7950GX2. I found and offer too good to refuse and I decided to get me an XFX 7900GT Extreme Edition for £140. It's in my hands now! lol.

I'm off to build my DX9 primed Conroe machine :toast:

[inntruzion]

I'm holding off til x1950 comes out - the xtx is better than the gx2 in a lot of cases, and its dead cheap :) will blow nvidia away. x1950 crossfire will be the best dx9 setup you could EVER get!! Better than QUAD SLi by a mile!!!

[Moonraker™]

I'm holding off til x1950 comes out - the xtx is better than the gx2 in a lot of cases, and its dead cheap :) will blow nvidia away. x1950 crossfire will be the best dx9 setup you could EVER get!! Better than QUAD SLi by a mile!!!

If you're going off the ATI results... don't. X1950XTX does not "own" 7950GX2 at all. In 1 card profile it will, but say you're playing most of today's games it won't. Crossfire will rip it to shreds yes, but not single.

Take a look in the Xtreme 3D forums to see some REAL benches! ;)

BTW, TBH m8, X1900XTX's are going dirt cheap now. Might be good to get one of those, even 2 an Xfire them as a good solid alternative till this time next year when you may look at DX10.