plz explain why My X2 @ 2450 outscoring my 165 @ 2.9

[[cTx]Philosophy]

x2 has 8k some 165 has 6k some 165 was installed first and its getting ownd by the X2?

X2 3800 @ 2450 2X512 ch-5 underclocked because one of the dimms is blown @ below 180for 2-2-2
there clocked at like 166 some i think

165 @ 2.9 2X 1024 be-6 2.5-3-2-5 243 mhz getting ownd by underclocked X2 on a shidy os install thats 3 yrs old almost?

Wierd I tell ya

[[XC] Adywebb]

Have you checked to see how many results each has waiting to be validated?

You may find that the 165 has many more waiting than the X2 3800 and when they come through the scores will look different.

You can check by signing in at WCG (http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/ms/viewMyMemberPage.do) and going to My Grid>Device Manager>Results Status and using the various filters.

[Hymay]

Yeah, it seems its going to take more than a couple days for the credits and validation averages to start kicking in. Kinda sucks when you knock a wu out in 3-4 hrs and it takes someone else 24+ hrs of runtime to validate it =)

[[cTx]Philosophy]

As of 12:35 today
I dont see how it shows the X2 as of having a full day more run time than the opty, theres just no way thats possible...

[carl.h]

Looks like you got loads of WU`s pending validation.

I believe something is wrong atm, I have 22 WU`s pending.

[Hymay]

As of 12:35 today
I dont see how it shows the X2 as of having a full day more run time than the opty, theres just no way thats possible...

Yeah, that screenie only shows the amt of wu's that have been validated. On the right, under Device manager, click on Results Statistics.. then count up the number of them pending. I had over 40 pending still. It'll also tell you if they were valid results, perhaps there is an unknown problem and one machine is not returning valid results? No clue how wcg handles computational errors.

Otherwise, if all is well, it'll just take a few days for the number of validations to catch up to the avg number you complete a day. you will always have a "cache" of pending tho, but eventually it should even out. somewhat.

[[XC] Adywebb]

As of 12:35 today
I dont see how it shows the X2 as of having a full day more run time than the opty, theres just no way thats possible...
Looks to me like you are crunching Aids stuff - is that right?

I would say that the opty is awaiting a load of WU's to be validated, if you go by the runtime the opty has done 14 results in 2 days (7 per day) so in 3 days you would expect it to have completed 21 - 4 more than the X2.

Aids WU's take alot longer than Cancer (and vary in length) - however if we look at an average runtime of around 4 hours, then the opty will have completed over 16 hours more work over 3 days than the X2 - so I think things look a bit brighter for you on Opty v X2 front :up:

I hope my explaination makes some sense - I apologise if it doesn't.

[Hymay]

Looks like you got loads of WU`s pending validation.

I believe something is wrong atm, I have 22 WU`s pending.

I have over 40.. but I crank em out 2 every 3.5-4 hrs on the conroe, and about 2 every 5 hrs on the X2. Most "normal" people in wcg are running AXP's or so, and it takes em a "wee tad" longer to compute your same wu to validate it. Then it takes 6 hrs to update, etc, etc, Or mebbe you got unlucky and stuck with my buddy's "box" 266, I think it takes 48+ hrs to crunch a single result. :slapass:

[meshmesh]

I have over 40.. but I crank em out 2 every 3.5-4 hrs on the conroe, and about 2 every 5 hrs on the X2. Most "normal" people in wcg are running AXP's or so, and it takes em a "wee tad" longer to compute your same wu to validate it. Then it takes 6 hrs to update, etc, etc, Or mebbe you got unlucky and stuck with my buddy's "box" 266, I think it takes 48+ hrs to crunch a single result. :slapass:

It may be even worse than 48+. If one of the WUs have been downloaded by a nutter who likes to fill his work cache on his computer (has his "connect to server every" = 7 days, for example), then your result, and the second user's result as well, will not be validated until either that nutter gets around to crunching the third WU or even worse it just sits in his queue until it expires. At that time the server gives up on him and issues you guys the credit.

So forget about finding out so soon. Suggest you wait till october first, then evaluate your daily output through the whole month of September. That will give you an accurate figure.

I crunched malaricontrol a few times, and would be surprised at first when I get some unexpected credit from malaricontrol while doing 24/7 on Roseeta!

Look at it this way, you crunched the work, the check is coming in the mail.:)

[carl.h]

@ Hymay

Nahhhh, I think the validator is duff, loads of us Teddies with unvalidated WU`s atm.

Not that far behind you with my D930 @ 3.4 and the 3800+ X2 @ 4100 :p:

I don`t run 24/7 (long story), that`s what drags me back, 16/7 tops !

Meshmesh, I got one still waiting from the 22nd, go round and tell the nutter to connect will ya please !!!

[[XC] Adywebb]

Meshmesh, I got one still waiting from the 22nd, go round and tell the nutter to connect will ya please !!!
Sorry Carl didn't realise it was you - I will run off and connect now :p:


@ meshmesh - very good advice :thumbsup:

[Hymay]

@ Hymay

Nahhhh, I think the validator is duff, loads of us Teddies with unvalidated WU`s atm.

Not that far behind you with my D930 @ 3.4 and the 3800+ X2 @ 4100 :p:

I don`t run 24/7 (long story), that`s what drags me back, 16/7 tops !

Meshmesh, I got one still waiting from the 22nd, go round and tell the nutter to connect will ya please !!!
Aye we agree there, meant in that post that I have over 40 unvalidated wu's when I counted last... loads n loads..:D

[[cTx]Philosophy]

whats it mean when it sais error, I have like 4 of em error
My cpus are stable, is this a messup?
or maybe arestart in middle, I heard they dont resume like rosey did..

Is this true

Also just changed all them over to cancer, forgot to do that last time..
My dad has had every type of cancer known to man almost and hes still kicking 78 and still smokes 3 packs a dam day, stubborn old man and isnt gonna go until hes ready..

Cancer research FTW!!!

[[XC] hipno650]

thats why validating takes so long:nono: i get it now. i started yesterday and have 4wu's waiting to be validated. and three valid.

[itznfb]

i have 90 WU's pending. i have a couple invalid, and a couple inconclusive. the invalid and inconclusive are on my opty that is highly OCed and possibly not 100% stable :rolleyes:

[[XC] 4X4N]

I just checked and have 36 wu's pending. This is with only 3 machines. A couple are from 8/23. This quorom system takes forever.

[[XC] Adywebb]

This is because some 'WU hogs' cache more than a couple of days worth and then take ages to crunch 'em, or they run out of time and WCG has to send out another one after a week to complete the quorum :rolleyes:

[[XC] serlv]

I just checked and have 36 wu's pending. This is with only 3 machines. A couple are from 8/23. This quorom system takes forever.


I have a boatload pending, like money in the bank!

[Martijn]

I have a boatload pending, like money in the bank!
:eek:

That is a lot!! :slobber:

[[XC] hipno650]

I have a boatload pending, like money in the bank!
HOLY:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[meshmesh]

i have 90 WU's pending. i have a couple invalid, and a couple inconclusive. the invalid and inconclusive are on my opty that is highly OCed and possibly not 100% stable :rolleyes:
Ok. If you think about it, these two (couple) of WUs have wasted 4 hrs. If this happens once every 48 hours, you loose 8% of your credit!

So how about dropping the clock 5% and end up better?

Oh oh, why do I feel I just committed a major sin?:)

[meshmesh]

I just checked and have 36 wu's pending. This is with only 3 machines. A couple are from 8/23. This quorom system takes forever.

Up to seven days on rare occasions (check the expiry date).
But usually 75% would validate within 72 hours so far.

[itznfb]

dropping the clock

wtf does that mean? :confused:


:p:

[meshmesh]

wtf does that mean? :confused:
:p:

Sorry not very familiar with forum abbreviations.


dropping the clock
I was suggesting that maybe a reducion in the clock spead in the BIOS, say from 250MHZ to 240MHz for example would be beneficial. May help better stability and thus avoid WU errors and wasted CPU cycles.

[Martijn]

Sorry not very familiar with forum abbreviations.

It means 'what the :banana::banana::banana::banana:' (fill that in for yourself :p:)



I was suggesting that maybe a reducion in the clock spead in the BIOS, say from 250MHZ to 240MHz for example would be beneficial. May help better stability and thus avoid WU errors and wasted CPU cycles.
This is XS, no downclocking here, I think it is getting time you should understand that :)

[meshmesh]

It means 'what the :banana::banana::banana::banana:' (fill that in for yourself :p:)
Uhm, right.! :stick: :mad: :nono:


This is XS, no downclocking here, I think it is getting time you should understand that :)
Sorry. No. Anybody can overclock. But is it stable? That is the differerence say between XS and "overclockers R us" :)

[itznfb]

it was a joke meshmesh, but you were right, its definatly a sin to suggest down clocking here :)

i believe i only have 2 failures, not that big of a deal

[Hymay]

It does suck that failures are a complete loss.. partial credit was nice, meant ya didn't worry as about it. WHOOPS! compute error... guess I gotta put checking the oc's stability on the list... somewhere.. lessee... mebbe after pick up dog poo, but before clean room.. scheduled for feb 31st. Only day open.. Sounds about right.

[meshmesh]

it was a joke meshmesh, but you were right, its definatly a sin to suggest down clocking here :)

i believe i only have 2 failures, not that big of a deal

Ok, no problem. I guess I am a bit not accustomed. Sorry.:)

The reason I took the opportunity to mention downclocking, is that when I was doing the statistics for the new credit system at R@H, a number of the team members gave me permission to look into their computer records. I was very surprised at the number of client errors I found. Some accounts had many. :eek:

Compared to my machine, which what you guys may call "mild overclock" (ok, I am a noob) I only had three bad WUs i am aware of since I started in june at R@H. I did not want to say anything to anybody, but when you mensioned it, I took the opportunity to make a general suggestion. That's all.

I knew I will get it when I typing this. :slapass:

[itznfb]

@meshmesh, lol, there is definatly a direct connection between failed WU's and the stability of an OC. if you are consitently getting failures then you should back off a little on the OC. some people (i'm one of them) use folding for a stability test. so we OC as far as we can, and then see if its stable by running an intensive folding app. if it returns errors then its not stable. back down a little and try again.

[itznfb]

here, i have two inconclusive, and two invalid. looks like the invalid ones gave me full credit, and the inconclusive gave me no credit??

[[XC] Adywebb]

here, i have two inconclusive, and two invalid. looks like the invalid ones gave me full credit, and the inconclusive gave me no credit??
You will get credit for the inconclusives - they send out another WU to get crunched and once 3 results eventually match up then the status will change to Valid and you will get the points :thumbsup:

[rob725]

so we OC as far as we can, and then see if its stable by running an intensive folding app. if it returns errors then its not stable. back down a little and try again.

Do you mean you check the website, or is there another way to check for errors?

[[XC] serlv]

HOLY:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Yeah, doing my best to pump 'em out. They get backed up a little. But as long as I replace the ones that get validated with a like amount ( or more ) all is well.

I ordered a mobo, earlier today, to go with a chip I got from Hassan a week or two ago. So hopefully I can keep the pipeline filled up maybe a little more.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Im still waiting for my ddrII 667 from Team once that gets here ill have my conroe rig up and folding for sure..

Im happy with 3.2 anything above that is just awesome for me..

Coming from a 2.9 165 thatll be a pretty impressive increase to say the least..

Just wanted to show this for kicks

[[XC] Adywebb]

Do you mean you check the website, or is there another way to check for errors?
Have a look in the Boinc Manager messages tab and see if there are any red error mesages, and also check your WCG members page My Grid> Device Manager>Results Status and use the drop down menu to filter for errors etc.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

LOL im downclocked like a biach after seeing all the errors the opty was spitting, trying to nail down the cause now, prime stable but errors in rosetta :(

CPU's down to 2750 rams @ 250 trying to nail it..
Opty has almost 2X more wus than X2 now and still less points :(

All errors im asuming :(

[itznfb]

my opty aka optimus-prime is flying through WUs with just those two invalids.

[[XC] hipno650]

ya my celerons are destroying the competion:D :D :D:p:

[Haltech]

20 WUs from one conroe... about 3/4 are pending.. i got one error and 1 inconclusive.

[[XC] hipno650]

20 WUs from one conroe... about 3/4 are pending.. i got one error and 1 inconclusive.

man i half to get me one of those:D

[[XC] serlv]

My Conroe since 8-27

Device Manager
Device Statistics History

Device History and Statistics
Statistics Last Updated: 09/02/2006 00:06:03 (UTC) [3 hour(s) ago]



Statistics Date Total Run Time
(y:d:h:m:s) Points
Generated Results Returned
09/01/2006 0:001:18:02:15 6,728 39
08/31/2006 0:002:05:25:10 8,324 49
08/30/2006 0:001:16:46:07 7,177 39
08/29/2006 0:002:06:05:59 10,968 51
08/28/2006 0:001:15:06:49 5,455 39
08/27/2006 0:000:13:53:55 2,160 13

I'm going real slow, haven't had much free time. Still trying to dial it in, and find its limits. Its at 3546.

[[XC] Adywebb]

Nice going Scott - I've got a 6600 coming soon and can't wait to see what it can do :D

[[XC] hipno650]

i hope to get one latter this year for my main rig!!!!

[[XC] serlv]

Yeah, I was hoping for a 3600 MHz chip and I'm getting very close. At first I had some problems "figgerin" out my board and had disappointing results. But I did some reading, started over again and slowly. I'm almost afraid to go for 400 ( not really ), don't want to be disappointed if it won't get there. But I'm damn close, 394. I'll probably try tomorrow, though.

What are people using to monitor temps with these C2D systems? I'm using Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool. Not sure how good it is, though. If there are other monitoring apps available I'd like to try them. Cooling is a TT Big Typhoon. Also, I removed the NB cooler and cleaned it and applied AS Ceramique. I bought a Swiftech 159CU, but want to see which chip shows the most promise/or which system needs it most, before I use it.

This chip is a week 6-25, and was OEM. Hoping the retail chip I have, which is a 6-24 does as well. I keep seeing all this "woohaa" stuff about 6-27's. I hope I didn't pull the trigger too soon.

There is a special at Fry's that I'm very tempted by, even if I just "try it out" for two weeks and return it. I did that already with a BadAxe/6400 and then with a DS3/6400. This combo is a P5B Deluxe/6400. The price is 459.99. That is actually not too bad of a price. If I go for it, and the 6400 runs sweet I might just keep it. That was my goal all along, two 6600 systems and one 6400 system. Then again, I've laid out a lot of cash lately. So I'm not sure.

Good luck with your 6600, Ady. Will you be putting that on your XS~WCG account? :)

I noticed Newegg has a "Weekend Sale" going on and the P5B Deluxe is on sale for 226.93 including S&H.

[[XC] Adywebb]

Good luck with your 6600, Ady. Will you be putting that on your XS~WCG account? :)

I noticed Newegg has a "Weekend Sale" going on and the P5B Deluxe is on sale for 226.93 including S&H.
Maybe Scott, maybe ;)

....saw you lurking around the BBT forums earlier :p:

[[XC] serlv]

Maybe Scott, maybe ;)

....saw you lurking around the BBT forums earlier :p:


Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: las vegas desert
Posts: 3,598

Was just back there for the first time in a long time, a few days ago. But, as you can see I'm not exactly a stranger there. I was a Mod there for a while and did some of the News posting for a while. Lots of friends there, as well as one person with whom I have very bad blood.

[[XC] Adywebb]

Was just back there for the first time in a long time, a few days ago. But, as you can see I'm not exactly a stranger there. I was a Mod there for a while and did some of the News posting for a while. Lots of friends there, as well as one person with whom I have very bad blood.
No hints as to who that is then? ;)

I've read your 6600 posts over there from last night, think you will have to give me some advice on getting the most out of mine when it arrives :D

[Haltech]

I assume youre using the BadAxe Scott? Ive got a P5WDH Deluxe, so im using the asus probe BS to monitor temps. Shows 49C at full load. I tend to believe it.

If you havent done so, i HIGHLY recommend lapping your E6600. My 6400 was flatter than my 6600! It makes a big different. I stopped at 1500 grit. I started with 400 grit. These IHS's are NOT flat whatsoever.

Im going to pick up a Asus P5B against my will and toss this E6600 in it. These 975s just plain suck for high clocking. I bet i get to 4ghz on water with a 965 chipset.

I cant get over 370FSB with my P5WDH...:(



Yeah, I was hoping for a 3600 MHz chip and I'm getting very close. At first I had some problems "figgerin" out my board and had disappointing results. But I did some reading, started over again and slowly. I'm almost afraid to go for 400 ( not really ), don't want to be disappointed if it won't get there. But I'm damn close, 394. I'll probably try tomorrow, though.

What are people using to monitor temps with these C2D systems? I'm using Intel's Thermal Analysis Tool. Not sure how good it is, though. If there are other monitoring apps available I'd like to try them. Cooling is a TT Big Typhoon. Also, I removed the NB cooler and cleaned it and applied AS Ceramique. I bought a Swiftech 159CU, but want to see which chip shows the most promise/or which system needs it most, before I use it.

This chip is a week 6-25, and was OEM. Hoping the retail chip I have, which is a 6-24 does as well. I keep seeing all this "woohaa" stuff about 6-27's. I hope I didn't pull the trigger too soon.

There is a special at Fry's that I'm very tempted by, even if I just "try it out" for two weeks and return it. I did that already with a BadAxe/6400 and then with a DS3/6400. This combo is a P5B Deluxe/6400. The price is 459.99. That is actually not too bad of a price. If I go for it, and the 6400 runs sweet I might just keep it. That was my goal all along, two 6600 systems and one 6400 system. Then again, I've laid out a lot of cash lately. So I'm not sure.

Good luck with your 6600, Ady. Will you be putting that on your XS~WCG account? :)

I noticed Newegg has a "Weekend Sale" going on and the P5B Deluxe is on sale for 226.93 including S&H.

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I got myself a 6300 and a giga ds3 here waiting for my team 667 to arrive, should be any day now..

Ths GX2 will be here hopefully within this week, then the orb is gonna feel our wrath..

Ill be happy with 500 fsb on the 7 multi 6300
Wishful thinking though on the stock cooler one good thins is I have a L627 so well see how it goes..

[[XC] serlv]

I assume youre using the BadAxe Scott? Ive got a P5WDH Deluxe, so im using the asus probe BS to monitor temps. Shows 49C at full load. I tend to believe it.

If you havent done so, i HIGHLY recommend lapping your E6600. My 6400 was flatter than my 6600! It makes a big different. I stopped at 1500 grit. I started with 400 grit. These IHS's are NOT flat whatsoever.

Im going to pick up a Asus P5B against my will and toss this E6600 in it. These 975s just plain suck for high clocking. I bet i get to 4ghz on water with a 965 chipset.

I cant get over 370FSB with my P5WDH...:(

No. I returned that BadAxe/6400 combo. I got it from Frys to kind of check it out. You have 15 days to return it, no questions asked. So that is what I did. The BadAxe I had had the newer and inferior clock generator/PLL. for some reason Intel switched from ICS to , I think, IDT. Whatever. The one I had was limited in its overclock due to that.

I'm running on a Gigabyte DS3 ( P965 ).

For my other Conroe, I have a P5B Deluxe, inbound. It is scheduled, as well as my Patriot sticks, for delivery on Tuesday.


That bites about the 370... Have you read some most of the major threads about that Asus you have now. I heard it can be hit or miss. But there may be a fix in one of those threads.

[Haltech]

No. I returned that BadAxe/6400 combo. I got it from Frys to kind of check it out. You have 15 days to return it, no questions asked. So that is what I did. The BadAxe I had had the newer and inferior clock generator/PLL. for some reason Intel switched from ICS to , I think, IDT. Whatever. The one I had was limited in its overclock due to that.

I'm running on a Gigabyte DS3 ( P965 ).

For my other Conroe, I have a P5B Deluxe, inbound. It is scheduled, as well as my Patriot sticks, for delivery on Tuesday.


That bites about the 370... Have you read some most of the major threads about that Asus you have now. I heard it can be hit or miss. But there may be a fix in one of those threads.

Scott, yea, i have read.. Im was the " early " adopter for this so called, best board EVA, Da Asus from the Intel fanbois. Ive been saying for years that Asus sucks, big ass ballsacks.

Im going to try the P5B totally against my will, just so i can get my 3.8 to 4.0 out of this 6600.. Im too lazy to pull this board out right now to do the mods. I have a lot of h20 cooling in the V2000 right now.

[v0dka]

It's all just to damn new, we have to accept that there are no GOOD motherboards for Conroe now. Even if one emerges that is as stable and potent as let's say the Ultra-D, first revisions will be picky about a lot of things.

You just have to try your luck I guess (or run stock lol :D )

[Haltech]

You just have to try your luck I guess (or run stock lol :D )

Stock does NOT exist in the XS Dojo :slap:

Yes Haltech!

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Your thread has officially been hijacked when....

Stock what is this word you speak of?