WCG Bench?

[Magnj]

Can someone do this?

[WesM63]

Not sure what your looking for, but here it is on my 'ho @ stock speeds with tons of stuff going.

8/27/2006 2:15:11 AM|| 4796 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/27/2006 2:15:11 AM|| 22023 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

[Magnj]

For some reason I was thinking there was a D20L Bench, but it was just the one you do in BOINC. Are people using optimized clients in WCG?

[Magnj]

8/27/2006 2:20:34 AM|| 3730 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/27/2006 2:20:34 AM|| 12020 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

[WesM63]

Yep optimized here. I never changed anything since the last time I ran Rosetta. Just attached to WCG.

[[XC]Atomicpineapple]

Running Crunch3rs optimised files, like WesM63 I just detached Rosetta and added WCG. Running Allendale E6400 ES@405x8=3.243GHz.

27/08/2006 09:10:18||Benchmark results:
27/08/2006 09:10:18|| Number of CPUs: 2
27/08/2006 09:10:18|| 5756 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
27/08/2006 09:10:18|| 26716 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU
27/08/2006 09:10:18||Finished CPU benchmarks

[carl.h]

With a quorum of 3 that WCG uses sometimes you are lucky and the average is over three with crunch3r 5.5, others not. In other words sometimes you get what you claim.

The more who use 5.5 the higher the average.:clap:

[[XC] Adywebb]

With a quorum of 3 that WCG uses sometimes you are lucky and the average is over three with crunch3r 5.5, others not. In other words sometimes you get what you claim.

The more who use 5.5 the higher the average.:clap:
Agreed Carl, I've noticed that I'm getting more instances of getting my full credit claim since you guys have been over at WCG :clap:

Keep installing that client folks! :up:

[Magnj]

So I should re-install using cruncher or it doesnt really matter?>

[mike047]

Agreed Carl, I've noticed that I'm getting more instances of getting my full credit claim since you guys have been over at WCG :clap:

Keep installing that client folks! :up:


Is that BOINC points or WCG points??? Aren't they two entirely different things???

I have taken 6 of my boxes and will monitor them closer than the rest. 4 are DC 3800's and the other are single core 3000's. 3 of the DC are opt and one not and one of each for the 3000's.

Benchmark for opt 3800=4476/14554, non-opt=2440/4507
Benchmark for opt 3000=4403/14296, non-opt=2444/4532

early result for me on the DC3800 is a dead even point production. I only have about 4 days on the project so these #'s may change dramatically.

I am running the Aids project as it "seems" to me to produce more points in preliminary information.

The X2's are the biggest thing I have at the moment:(:)

[[XC] Adywebb]

Is that BOINC points or WCG points??? Aren't they two entirely different things???

I am running the Aids project as it "seems" to me to produce more points in preliminary information.
I was talking Boinc points Mike - WCG points are calculated by multiplying Boinc Credit Granted by 7 (1 Boinc Point = 7 WCG points)

I know its confusing having 2 different points systems flying around, but thats due to WCG starting as a non-boinc project years ago using the UD Agent - even today only about 15% of members use Boinc :shrug:

As regards Aids units producing more points, I think its only seems that way because they take 3-4 times longer to crunch - overall the points for each type crunched should be around the same.

[[XC] serlv]

My latest bench in WCG

8/27/2006 12:48:44 PM||Benchmark results:
8/27/2006 12:48:44 PM|| Number of CPUs: 2
8/27/2006 12:48:44 PM|| 6138 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU
8/27/2006 12:48:44 PM|| 28547 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU

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Switched out the E6400 from the DS-3 ( it has to go back ), and dropped in an OEM E6600. Slowly making my way up, after having a few problems OCing, initially. I'm at 3420 and rising.

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Benching in BOINC is not what it used to be, but then again I would have built this system even if I'd never heard of BOINC...

This quoram system is wierd. I usually only get about a fourth, or so, of what is claimed for a finished result. It almost seems as what is the point of using a C2D machine ( or the like ). However, ya gotta remember that though you may not be getting the higher credit per result ( usually ), you'll be ripping thru results very quickly. So it adds up and the CPUs do show their worth.

[STEvil]

if a couple P1's crunched the same WU as you, your granted credit goes down the hole in a hurry.

[[XC] serlv]

if a couple P1's crunched the same WU as you, your granted credit goes down the hole in a hurry.

Yeah, I know...

Like Ady and Carl said, the more good machines on these WUs, running 5.5.0, the better.
If the number of decent crunchers started outnumbering old slugs that would be a very good thing!

[pythagoras]

Isnt this quorum benchmark much worse than the rosetta one??????? Faster cpus subsidise all the slower ones!!!

Is it as crude as you get the slowest time the fastest time one from the middle and then do a mean average and every one gets those points?

Regards

John.

[Movieman]

Isnt this quorum benchmark much worse than the rosetta one??????? Faster cpus subsidise all the slower ones!!!

Is it as crude as you get the slowest time the fastest time one from the middle and then do a mean average and every one gets those points?

Regards

John.
You got it right John. I think this time we go in totally understanding the rules of the game and know that we're not going to rocket to the top due to the quorum system but we will get there and the project has good goals and on top of that has a pick and choose to make itself more adaptable to the members.We'll have some fun, do a good project and come together as a group again.

[meshmesh]

Agree MM. Currently I am on the HIV and the HPF2 thing. Suggest that every one may want to pick two not only one. Some of these projects seem a bit small and they may occasionaly run out of work.

Please note: the cancer project uses 750 MB of ram per WU ! So if you have only 1 MB of ram and runnig windows stay clear. If you are running a dual processor and have 2 MB of ram you may be able to get away with it. Otherwise, you will be swapping to HD.

The quorum will affect the credits yes. So far 50% of claimed credits after 32 WUs. Not bad at all.

And we can make it to the top position in 18 months if we manage to pull 100K per day. :)

[mike047]

If I can make 60k+ ppd on the AMD stuff I run, the guys with the real tools will be able to make real headway. If Victor will play, we can get to the top.

As MM said, we know what to expect as we go in..

[[XC] Adywebb]

Isnt this quorum benchmark much worse than the rosetta one??????? Faster cpus subsidise all the slower ones!!!

Is it as crude as you get the slowest time the fastest time one from the middle and then do a mean average and every one gets those points?

Regards

John.
Not quite John - everyone in the quorum gets the credit claimed of the middle scoring one.

Heres an example of one of my recent results, note that the fastest CPU did it in half the time of the others but claimed 60% less credit as it wasn't using an opti, so it isn't always the slowest CPU that can bring things down ;)

Workunit Name Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 20:05:32 08/25/2006 02:20:26 3.21 62 / 172
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 20:02:24 08/27/2006 03:24:17 7.23 172 / 172
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 19:58:42 08/27/2006 21:30:59 6.88 172 / 172

[mike047]

http://stats.free-dc.org/new/projpage.php?proj=wcg

look these over:D

[pythagoras]

Not quite John - everyone in the quorum gets the credit claimed of the middle scoring one.

Heres an example of one of my recent results, note that the fastest CPU did it in half the time of the others but claimed 60% less credit as it wasn't using an opti, so it isn't always the slowest CPU that can bring things down ;)

Workunit Name Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 20:05:32 08/25/2006 02:20:26 3.21 62 / 172
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 20:02:24 08/27/2006 03:24:17 7.23 172 / 172
faah0767_ bdb820_ mx1hef_ dry_ 05 Valid 08/24/2006 19:58:42 08/27/2006 21:30:59 6.88 172 / 172

Is that middle score the mean or the median?

Regards

John.

[[XC] Adywebb]

Agree MM. Currently I am on the HIV and the HPF2 thing. Suggest that every one may want to pick two not only one. Some of these projects seem a bit small and they may occasionaly run out of work
The HPF2 project is not running at the moment as there is a problem with the units - they are beta testing them at the moment to iron out the bugs.
Theres no problem just running one project - all you need to do is go to your boinc device profiles at WCG and tick the "If there is no work available for my computer for the projects I have selected above, please send me work from another project" box :up:


Please note: the cancer project uses 750 MB of ram per WU ! So if you have only 1 MB of ram and runnig windows stay clear. If you are running a dual processor and have 2 MB of ram you may be able to get away with it. Otherwise, you will be swapping to HD.
Although 750MB is the minimum spec, in reality it doesn't use anywhere near that much, its just put there as a precautionary measure - I run several windows machines with 1MB of ram, including a dually with only 1MB and have had no problems so far.

[Movieman]

http://stats.free-dc.org/new/projpage.php?proj=wcg

look these over:D
Holy Points Batman! :D Now how the hell am I going to catch you?
( The answer is I won't!:( )

Hey guys, did I see LP there? Who is that? Our lady friend from Las Vegas??

[[XC] Adywebb]

Is that middle score the mean or the median?

Regards

John.
Median, if it had been the Mean then in my example everyone would have got 135 :)

[pythagoras]

I really do not see how an xtremesystems team would ever go for a points system like this.

If the points are as stated I could buy 100 $50 sloths off ebay and score 100x the points that someone on here could score with 1 state of the art system, overclocked to the max.

Wheres the incentive?

Regards

John.

[[XC] serlv]

A decent point, but you might do 2 work units/day, whereas a screamer might do 24...

[[XC] Adywebb]

That would be true if those 100 sloths could crunch 100x as many results - but I doubt if that would be the case?

I would regard it as acceptable that if a machine crunches twice as many results as another it gets rewarded with twice as many points.

[meshmesh]

I really do not see how an xtremesystems team would ever go for a points system like this.

If the points are as stated I could buy 100 $50 sloths off ebay and score 100x the points that someone on here could score with 1 state of the art system, overclocked to the max.

Wheres the incentive?

Regards

John.
Non quite. The question will be how many work units will yo do in 24 hours? The fast machine will do two while yours will do one. Yes you will both get the same X credits per WU, but the fast machine at the end of the day has 2X. That's all.

[Magnj]

you guys are confusing the crap out of me.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

I really do not see how an xtremesystems team would ever go for a points system like this.

If the points are as stated I could buy 100 $50 sloths off ebay and score 100x the points that someone on here could score with 1 state of the art system, overclocked to the max.

Wheres the incentive?

Regards

John.

hence why I'm not running it... I'd rather get more than 1/3 of my claimed credit, not to mention i flat out loathe BOINC at this point :cool:
quorums suck, BOINC system sucks...

[STEvil]

just run shorter WU's on the slower machines.. P1's and 2's will be usefull again.. for points.

The credit system is feces. Count me out.

[[XC] Adywebb]

hence why I'm not running it... I'd rather get more than 1/3 of my claimed credit, not to mention i flat out loathe BOINC at this point :cool:
quorums suck, BOINC system sucks...
Then don't use Boinc to run it, use the Grid Agent - it doesn't use the quorum system as it uses an internal benchmarking system based on CPU/RAM/HDD.

However in my opinion the Grid Agent sucks and Boinc is better :shrug:

[[XC] riptide]

Now this is interesting. I have 2xP2s that don't seem to be doing so well on SOB and 2 P3's that are doing nothing. i might just put them on this and see how it goes. If it goes ok I might get loads of the bastages and put them on. Be great, and cos I'm so evil, it would also bring the average down..... wha wha whaaaa :hehe:

I'm not really evil, but we might a few more points. One thing for sure, I won't put above average HW on this. I'll put below average HW, cos its the thing that they will overachieve at!