MSI 975 / Egg [Archive] - XtremeSystems Forums

toddm27

08-03-2006, 05:37 PM

Can mwave be trusted? Never purchased from them before.
I've bought a bunch from mwave, never had any issues,

I'd be surprised if they are the same product and there's that much price difference...
you could say the same thing about zipzoomfly selling the dfi infinity for 187, while the egg and others are still jacking the price up to 250ish, you just never know, and if it wasn't the right version, you could force them to give you a full refund due to them listing it wrong:D

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 05:38 PM

Wow the cheapest 965 board iv seen

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-P965NF#

UPDATE!!!

Ewiz is now charging only 179.99 for the MSI 975 V2 with free shipping!!

pcdoc1

08-03-2006, 05:39 PM

Well if had any confidence it was V.2 I'd order just to test at the Mwave price...

pcdoc1

08-03-2006, 05:40 PM

Wow the cheapest 965 board iv seen

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-P965NF#

UPDATE!!!

Ewiz is now charging only 179.99 for the MSI 975 V2 with free shipping!!The NEO @ $99.00, things are looking up....

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 05:41 PM

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-975XPV2#

dogsx2

08-03-2006, 05:43 PM

The NEO @ $99.00, things are looking up....

I didn't think there was any oc in the bios. I looked at the Monday.

Edit: is XS uploading slow or is it just me?

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 05:46 PM

XS seems slow for me too. Can someone give me the thread where coolaler got very good OC results using this board? I just want to see some OC results before I order.

dogsx2

08-03-2006, 05:50 PM

The NEO @ $99.00, things are looking up....

Seem high.:(
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=MBM-P965NEOF

pcdoc1

08-03-2006, 05:51 PM

XS seems slow for me too. Can someone give me the thread where coolaler got very good OC results using this board? I just want to see some OC results before I order.Search is your friend but here it is.... http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106175

highoctane

08-03-2006, 06:00 PM

I'd be afraid of this one. I'd bet it the old one.;)

If you goto the cpu selection to purchase a cpu with the board they have a c2d 6300 on the list, I would imagine it supports C2D no?

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4176/msi975bw0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

pcdoc1

08-03-2006, 06:04 PM

Seem high.:(
http://www.eclipsecomputers.com/product.aspx?code=MBM-P965NEOFGuess it does... Still it's nice to start seeing some choices, a 975 board @ 175.00 is making more sense... This 250.00 to 300.00+ range that we're currently seeing seems awful high to me...

dogsx2

08-03-2006, 06:09 PM

Guess it does... Still it's nice to start seeing some choices, a 975 board @ 175.00 is making more sense... This 250.00 to 300.00+ range that we're currently seeing seems awful high to me...

I'm with you on that. I like the 975's better. I ordered one from Ewiz for $175 shipped.:D

I would imagine it supports C2D no?

Buy it and find out. If your right I'll post I was wrong.:cool:

pcdoc1

08-03-2006, 06:34 PM

I'm with you on that. I like the 975's better. I ordered one from Ewiz for $175 shipped.:D Well then, I guess I'll hold off for now... My 6700 won't ship until Monday and I've got the DS3 to test with so it looks like you're the guinea pig... :)

Good luck with it...

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 06:46 PM

Just ordered the MSI 975X v2!!

aiya

08-03-2006, 07:55 PM

wow way to go MSI! really nice prices. let us know how these oc guys :D

Lestat

08-03-2006, 07:59 PM

ok looks good so report back so i can blow more money and piss off the ol lady !! lol

i will be eagerly awaiting you gent's results.

theteamaqua

08-03-2006, 07:59 PM

how do u guys know its v2?? if it is , i'm in ..

theteamaqua

08-03-2006, 08:03 PM

wait no i changed my mind, i think ill wait for the P5W64 WS PRO or DFI's RD600

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 08:16 PM

I know its V2 because it says V2 lol

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-975XPV2#

It also says CORE 2 DUO support. And I also remembered how good this board OCed with coolaler so I just went and bought it.

jimmyz

08-03-2006, 08:22 PM

needs to say 2.1 not 2a read coolalers thread again. i guess it could be an old picture on ewiz they might not bother to take new ones each revision.

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 08:34 PM

needs to say 2.1 not 2a read coolalers thread again. i guess it could be an old picture on ewiz they might not bother to take new ones each revision.

Well Ewiz is saying the Core 2 Duo support, only 2.1 supports conroe right?

What is the difference bettween 2.1 and 2A?

5-Clicks

08-03-2006, 08:39 PM

I'm so tempted!!

theteamaqua

08-03-2006, 08:45 PM

yes this baord seem like revision 2.X so it should support conroe .. i ehard ocolaler said 2.1 is out , 2.1 is better ight?? its gotta be.

2.0 will support conroe

We can also share some details about the upcoming modification of the MSI 975X Platinum mainboard based on i975X chipset. It is currently available as revision 1.0 and doesn’t support Conroe processors. Revision 2.0 is scheduled to arrive in June. This is when MSI 975X Platinum mainboard starts supporting Conroe processors.

In other words, if you are going to buy an MSI 975X Platinum mainboard any time soon, then you’d better wait for revision 2.0 to come out, because it will support the upcoming Conroe processors. I also suspect that the new mainboard revision will also boast better overclocking-friendly features. As we have already seen, the mainboard should allow raising the system bus frequency beyond 350-400MHz for successful Conroe overclocking.

this board is up there with P5W64 WS PRO i think,

kais

08-03-2006, 08:50 PM

hey, can someone tell me if coolaler used any mods, please dont tell me to search guys, its just a yes or no question, at least i dont remember seeing anything about mods on it when i last read them

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 08:54 PM

yes this baord seem like revision 2.X so it should support conroe .. i ehard ocolaler said 2.1 is out , 2.1 is better ight?? its gotta be.

2.0 will support conroe

this board is up there with P5W64 WS PRO i think,

So wait Im confused.

1.0 which was out before doesn't support conroe. Coolaler used a "2.1" and got good results, he also claimed the 2.A is an incomplete version and that 2.1 was the final version. When you look at MSI's site, it says MSI 975X V.2 and in the picture it shows a 2.A and this is the only picture of that board. Neweggs picture shows "2.1" and Ewiz's picture shows 2.A. So what is the difference bettween 2A and 2.1 if both support conroe? Or is the 2A just an outdated picture? Im getting mine from Ewiz btw and I am kind of worried that it isn't 2.1 :(.

Help!

5-Clicks

08-03-2006, 08:54 PM

When I asked him which as the best between a P5W DH, Bad Axe, and MSI 975x, he said they were all the same as far as OC capabilities go in general...but I think he had the best luck with the MSI than the rest.

cupholder2.0

08-03-2006, 10:06 PM

Does anyone know the difference bettween the 2.A and 2.1? Please help! :(

theteamaqua

08-03-2006, 11:12 PM

different PCB revision, i dont think its going to make much difference

u can live with 50MHz loss can u??

i was hoping to get 3.5GHz now im doing 3.4Ghz ... i am doing OK

charlie

08-03-2006, 11:25 PM

good ole newegg... $50 high on DFI infinity and $50 high on 975x too.

kman540

08-04-2006, 05:06 AM

Ordered one also, should have it Mon.. I hope Lestat gets one, he knows how to expedite Bios improvements.

Yourself

08-04-2006, 05:38 AM

Damn this thread...:) I already have a DS3 sitting on my bench unopened waiting for my 6400 and now I am tempted to order this beauty... :brick:

Self

Dumo

08-04-2006, 05:42 AM

Got to find Vcore/mch/fsb/mem voltage mods for thos board:)

toddm27

08-04-2006, 05:55 AM

I hope Lestat gets one, he knows how to expedite Bios improvements.
:rofl:

5-Clicks

08-04-2006, 06:12 AM

different PCB revision, i dont think its going to make much difference

u can live with 50MHz loss can u??

i was hoping to get 3.5GHz now im doing 3.4Ghz ... i am doing OK
Are you saying that the MSI 975x is going to dissapoint?

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 07:50 AM

Ordered one also, should have it Mon.. I hope Lestat gets one, he knows how to expedite Bios improvements.

Where did you order yours from ? I am so glad I ordered from Ewiz for 179.99 yesterday, the price went back up today to 189.99!.

theteamaqua

08-04-2006, 07:55 AM

Are you saying that the MSI 975x is going to dissapoint?

no MSI is the best OCing 975 board i have seen besides P5W64 WS PRO, without mod. but im pretty sure 2.1 is better than 2.0 b/c different PCB revision, umm better cicuitry, BIOS and everything...

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 08:01 AM

no MSI is the best OCing 975 board i have seen besides P5W64 WS PRO, without mod. but im pretty sure 2.1 is better than 2.0 b/c different PCB revision, umm better cicuitry, BIOS and everything...

Im pretty darn sure that the board on Ewiz is also a 2.1. In the info, it says
"Mfr Part Number: 7246-020(975X PLATINUM V.2)". On MSIs site, it has this same part number. Newegg which shows 2.1 in its images also links to this same page with the same mfr part number. Also on the Ewiz images it says "Image may not reflect most recent product revision".

kman540

08-04-2006, 08:02 AM

Where did you order yours from ? I am so glad I ordered from Ewiz for 179.99 yesterday, the price went back up today to 189.99!.
I ordered from Egg, for the 6 months no payment option
Edit: And I'm sure it was Powerup Edition. Ewiz and Mwave I wasn't 100% sure

theteamaqua

08-04-2006, 08:09 AM

Ordered one also, should have it Mon.. I hope Lestat gets one, he knows how to expedite Bios improvements.

haha

Drow

08-04-2006, 10:26 AM

Are this boards definitely the powerup edition from MSI?

kman540

08-04-2006, 10:34 AM

Are this boards definitely the powerup edition from MSI?
Look at the pic of the manual at the egg. if it's not, it's going back.

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 10:35 AM

The newegg one is definatly the power one. Ewiz should also be powerup. Because it says v2 and the part number is the same as the one MSI's site which says powerup. So Im pretty sure both neweggs and Ewiz's are power up versions. I ordered from Ewiz btw.

Raja@ASUS

08-04-2006, 11:13 AM

What's the max fsb anyone has managed with this board?

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 11:15 AM

I don't know the max, but I saw 455 FSB with 10x multiplier. Im sure there are better results. Look through coolalers thread which features this board.

Gun_Strife

08-04-2006, 11:26 AM

I ordered from Egg, for the 6 months no payment option
Edit: And I'm sure it was Powerup Edition. Ewiz and Mwave I wasn't 100% sure

did you call and confirm this

The newegg one is definatly the power one. Ewiz should also be powerup. Because it says v2 and the part number is the same as the one MSI's site which says powerup. So Im pretty sure both neweggs and Ewiz's are power up versions. I ordered from Ewiz btw.

or did you call and confirm

i would really like to know cause you cant always go by the pic

kman540

08-04-2006, 11:49 AM

did you call and confirm this

or did you call and confirm

i would really like to know cause you cant always go by the pic
I didn't call and confirm, because I know what they'll say, we can't check boxes like when everyone wanted to know if their badaxe was rev304.
I also agree you can't always go by the pic, however when they show multiple images of a product, I believe they have that product in stock and they just open 1 up and take pictures. I didn't see those pictures at MSI. The pic of the manual clearly stayes PowerUP. I'll take that chance. Either way I'll let you know Mon.

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 12:00 PM

You don't even have to go by the image. Just look at the product number, the one on Ewiz matches MSIs site for POWER UP edition.

Falkentyne

08-04-2006, 02:50 PM

Mwave does NOT have the proper board version in stock.
I just came back from there.

(living 3 minutes away on a bicycle is w00t).

RAGING DRAGON

08-04-2006, 02:55 PM

ZBr

08-04-2006, 04:17 PM

<-- add another MSI 975X guinea pig to the total! :D

no more free shipping at eWiz though!

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 04:18 PM

<-- add another MSI 975X guinea pig to the total! :D

no more free shipping at eWiz though!

You ordered from Ewiz ? :)

ZBr

08-04-2006, 04:21 PM

You ordered from Ewiz ? :)
yep yep

did you notice (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_feature.php) that the "vpower" feature is supposed to

"Precisely voltage output by MSI's exclusive ASIC technology; Greatly enhance system stability and reliability by minimizing CPU's unstable voltage"

Prolly marketing bs, but maybe this will minimize Vdroop? boy that would be sweet

Lestat

08-04-2006, 04:54 PM

hope you boys are having fun at my expense.
you naughty little monkeys :slapass: :nono:

well i wont consider any benchmarks people are thinking they saw , as nothing but rumor or pre-retail cherry picked boards with cherry picked cpu's

im not making a single move until the retail chip and retail boards show what the truth is.

no more guinea pig business for me for a while.

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 04:57 PM

yep yep

did you notice (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_feature.php) that the "vpower" feature is supposed to

"Precisely voltage output by MSI's exclusive ASIC technology; Greatly enhance system stability and reliability by minimizing CPU's unstable voltage"

Prolly marketing bs, but maybe this will minimize Vdroop? boy that would be sweet

If that gets lower vdroop, that would be great. BTW its good to know im not the guinea pig who ordered from Ewiz, lol.

dogsx2

08-04-2006, 05:12 PM

Mwave does NOT have the proper board version in stock.
I just came back from there.
(living 3 minutes away on a bicycle is w00t).

Well, guess I was right.:D :D :D

Sumanji

08-04-2006, 05:45 PM

I was all ready to go for the crap Asus P5w DH Deluxe as it was the only decent one with 2 IDE connectors.
This MSI 975X Platinum Powerup Edition looks the business though.
I can't wait to get a hold of this board.
Although I don't need the second PCI-e x16 slot there's not much I can do about it. The board looks very nice too with a good layout for my case (P180 Black).

Same situation here, I need something with 2 IDE channels for a pair of DVD writers, and the P8 connector where it sits is great for my P180B.

What is everyone else doing with their opticals though? There are only a handful of SATA DVD drives out there, so I guess people are running 2 drives off one third party IDE channel, or using SATA-PATA convertors (do these even work for opticals?).

Anyway right now I am just wondering whether the 975X Powerup (£145) is worth the extra over P965 Platninum (£106)... what do you guys think?

Cheers,

Suman

ZBr

08-04-2006, 08:35 PM

Anyway right now I am just wondering whether the 975X Powerup (£145) is worth the extra over P965 Platninum (£106)... what do you guys think?

Cheers,

Suman

To me, getting a 975 board for good PATA support would be the easiest/best choice, while a 965 board w/ a pata->sata converter like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16812206002) one would work fine...

I picked a 975 board because I wanted good 24/7 performance without having to stress the mobo too much ( like having to push the FSB up to 450 on a 965 board just to get nearly equiv. performance (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109137) ), not that running a FSB@450 24/7 without really good cooling or some high risk tolerance, is a good idea anyway.

My understanding is, if you want a fun OC toy, or a great gaming system, 965+Allendale is the way to go, if you need a stable system with good performance and a decent OC, 975 boards like this MSI are a good choice!

Freez

08-04-2006, 10:04 PM

If that gets lower vdroop, that would be great. BTW its good to know im not the guinea pig who ordered from Ewiz, lol.

I'm RMA'ing my DS3 for this board (from eWiz.) It better be the PoweredUp edition, or else they're getting :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed due to false advertising.

smids

08-04-2006, 10:20 PM

Same situation here, I need something with 2 IDE channels for a pair of DVD writers, and the P8 connector where it sits is great for my P180B.

What is everyone else doing with their opticals though? There are only a handful of SATA DVD drives out there, so I guess people are running 2 drives off one third party IDE channel, or using SATA-PATA convertors (do these even work for opticals?).

Anyway right now I am just wondering whether the 975X Powerup (£145) is worth the extra over P965 Platninum (£106)... what do you guys think?

Cheers,

SumanHey Suman,

Dabs have it much cheaper than OcUK and it does state Conroe support so it must be a Rev2 from dabs as they have only just replenished stock of it.

ZBr

08-04-2006, 10:22 PM

I'm RMA'ing my DS3 for this board (from eWiz.)
Yay, more people to compare results with!! :toast:

I was tired of having a choice between Asus.......and Asus for 975 boards...
....oh yea there was that bad axe thing too, but no one cares about that board...lol

cupholder2.0

08-04-2006, 10:29 PM

Nice, more people buying :).

Freez

08-04-2006, 10:37 PM

Nice, more people buying :).

Too bad the weekend is a long wait. Not to mention i'm moving next week.
:YIPPIE:

aiya

08-04-2006, 10:37 PM

does anyone know if its required to plug in the 4-pin molex?

edit: the manual says its to power the pci-e x16 graphics card. but what if you have a card that has a external power connector?

RAGING DRAGON

08-05-2006, 07:38 AM

does anyone know if its required to plug in the 4-pin molex?

edit: the manual says its to power the pci-e x16 graphics card. but what if you have a card that has a external power connector?

I've never needed to use the 4 pin molex that's on the motherboard. As long as the card is getting enough juice it's totally fine. That's the way it's been in my experience.

aiya

08-05-2006, 10:44 AM

thanks, thats good to know.

man, is it me or is the weekend seem to be going by really slow?

Sumanji

08-05-2006, 04:36 PM

like having to push the FSB up to 450 on a 965 board just to get nearly equiv. performance (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109137) )

I don't understand... why would you have to run P965 faster to match 975X :confused: I thought the former had a newer and more efficient memory controller?!

Dabs have it much cheaper than OcUK and it does state Conroe support so it must be a Rev2 from dabs as they have only just replenished stock of it.

Erk, I was on about Komplett, not OcUK :p: nice price on Dabs though, and they have the old 975X Platy for £77, totally devalued because it doesn't support Conroe, pwnt!

Also slightly OT, is there any official announcement about Intel and SLI?

Cheers,

Suman

pcdoc1

08-05-2006, 05:25 PM

My understanding is, if you want a fun OC toy, or a great gaming system, 965+Allendale is the way to go, if you need a stable system with good performance and a decent OC, 975 boards like this MSI are a good choice!This surely must just be your opinion as I've not seen anything that supports your theory... There is no reason to believe that a 965 board @ 450/475fsb is any less stable than a 975 board at any settings... :)

ZBr

08-05-2006, 09:39 PM

This surely must just be your opinion as I've not seen anything that supports your theory... There is no reason to believe that a 965 board @ 450/475fsb is any less stable than a 975 board at any settings... :)

Sure, with good cooling it shouldn't be any less stable; however depending on how tolerant the board's components are of overvoltage and how well each component is cooled, the life expectancy could greatly diminish. By "stable" I meant if you need a dependable system for 24/7 use. AFIK a 975 board can get just as good or better performance with a moderate OC at less FSB, which means the boards components will be running closer to spec. My theory is partly based on this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=109137) and this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=108137&page=2)(post#35-38,56-57), perhaps with good bios updates the 965 will surpass the 975 boards, who knows, but currently the 975 board's NB seems to be running tighter latencies (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1628029&postcount=36), hence you get good performance with less stress on components, while a heavily OC'd 965+Allendale gaming system is a great combo, it has a greater chance of dying and losing critical data. It all depends on what you are using your system for.

Edit: After reading this (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1630930&postcount=77) it appears that the 965 vs 975 may be moot if we can just find out which mobo's approach to tight NB timings vs high FSB works the best or like Tony said here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1600028&postcount=34), if we could be allowed to force specific straps on CPU/clockgen.

ScottFern

08-05-2006, 10:06 PM

Can anyone show me a compatible northbridge cooler for this MSI board? I don't know which would work? Does it seem to be worth it to use on on this board?

aiya

08-05-2006, 10:19 PM

i'm thinking these will fit since there is empty space around the NB area.

Cooler Master Blue Ice Pro Chipset Cooler
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=197&products_id=20495

Thermaltake Extreme Spirit II NB Cooler
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=197&products_id=20325

ZBr

08-05-2006, 10:20 PM

Can anyone show me a compatible northbridge cooler for this MSI board? I don't know which would work? Does it seem to be worth it to use on on this board?

I don't know if anyone other than coolaler could answer that, I am considering using the Thermalright HR 5 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835109128) w/ a fan, or this swiftech (http://www.coolerguys.com/840556037323.html). Don't know if either fits, but their relatively cheap and can be sent back if they don't fit :D I'm more concerned about mounting my Ultra-120/clearance issues with stock NB just to boot the system.

lopri

08-05-2006, 10:34 PM

I don't understand... why would you have to run P965 faster to match 975X :confused: I thought the former had a newer and more efficient memory controller?!

Erk, I was on about Komplett, not OcUK :p: nice price on Dabs though, and they have the old 975X Platy for £77, totally devalued because it doesn't support Conroe, pwnt!

Also slightly OT, is there any official announcement about Intel and SLI?

Cheers,

Suman

P965 boards' BIOS are still pretty much in infant period. It might change over time but when, no one knows. :)

And yes SLI is coming to 975X. (After NV's own SLI Intel Edition's launch)

mckennaiii

08-06-2006, 02:36 AM

can someone provide the link to coolalers thread in regards to this board?

ZBr

08-06-2006, 02:52 AM

can someone provide the link to coolalers thread in regards to this board?
well, um, page 1 of this thread, post#20 ..... :stick:

mckennaiii

08-06-2006, 03:40 AM

thankx.

shawn1998

08-06-2006, 04:14 AM

Any clue yet if the 7950GX2 will work on this board? If so, I'm ordering it today!

Jinobi

08-08-2006, 05:46 PM

FYI, it seems that if you manage to get a referral link from Froogle to eWiz's MSI 975X, you get about $5 off. Froogle doesn't list the eWiz MSI board anymore, but when it did yesterday, it was $185.00 compared to $190.55 now.

Xefier

08-08-2006, 06:04 PM

Any clue yet if the 7950GX2 will work on this board? If so, I'm ordering it today!

I would like to know the same :P, I don't see it on Nvidia's official 7950GX2 list, but this is a very new (to vendors) revision, so I don't expect that I guess.

I think its only a matter of time for it to fully support the 7950GX2 though, like today I got an email back from Gigabyte saying that the DQ6 still doesn't but its because of Nvidia's drivers, not their bios :\