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MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 11:23 AM

I just completed running Stress Prime 2004 Orthos Edition for one hour at 180x20 at stock voltages without any errors. Pretty much everything is at default in the BIOS except for the FSB.
When I try to run SP2004 @ 185x20 it stops almost immediately.

What should I do to get better clocks? Flash to another BIOS version which enables changing vcore? If so which version and will it still support Conroe when I get it? Though I can just switch back to 0078 or 0088 when I do get my Conroe...

mion

07-15-2006, 11:42 AM

Try increasing vcore.

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 11:44 AM

Hm can't raise vcore in this version of the BIOS... Which version should I get?

k0nsl

07-15-2006, 11:46 AM

Yep, increase vcore and perhaps try setting 190MHz FSB - there was a recent thread somewhere on the forum in which, say, 175MHz FSB was a instant failure whilst 180MHz or 190MHz would work - but not 175MHz FSB. I can't find this thread at the moment :/

Its worth a try, nevertheless.

[edit]
Try the newest official bios 0701 on asus website:
ftp://dlsvr01.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5W%20DH%20Deluxe/P5WDH701.zip

-k0nsl

mion

07-15-2006, 11:49 AM

Hm can't raise vcore in this version of the BIOS... Which version should I get?
I would try latest version of bios, also try reseting bios after flush, remove battery.

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 11:56 AM

Does that version work well with Conroe?

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 01:03 PM

I can't change the vcore in 0701 either... Please some help on this one! Which BIOS should I use if I want to be able to change the vcore?

K.I.T.T.

07-15-2006, 01:07 PM

try 0602/0604 :toast:

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 02:25 PM

ok will do that tomorrow...

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 04:35 PM

Tried 0604 without any luck :(

Have I missed some option that needs to be altered or why the heck can't I change my VCORE???????

BTW could someone up AiBooster for me? I threw away the installation CD so it would be much appreciated!

Absolute_0

07-15-2006, 04:43 PM

I tried 0078 and 0604 without luck

And then 0602 gave me my voltage options again :)

MrGarrison

07-15-2006, 04:59 PM

Okay I'll try that one now. Thanks.

politenessman

07-15-2006, 05:05 PM

vcore adjustment works for me on the deluxe with an 805 d. i have used 501, 602, 701 bioses. i have from about .85 to around 1.85 in .0125 bumps. make sure all the overclocking settings are on manual.\

very truly yours,
politenessman

Silver Bullet

07-15-2006, 07:33 PM

To get Vcore back .. take the battery out and clear the cmos. I did that with the offical 7001 and got back my Vcore adjustments :)

Running at 3.6Ghz, but temps up in the low 60's (C) when running dual prime95.. seems a little warm to me. What Vcore you guys running at .. i setup 1.4125 in the bois ?

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5182/3600loadki6.gif
(dual prime was on my other screen ...)

Supertim0r

07-15-2006, 08:54 PM

the sensor is bugged like the Bad Axe / conroe ?

Silver Bullet

07-15-2006, 09:14 PM

maybe .. but it idles at like 44c .. so i think thats about right ... seams reasonble .. its just a hot 805 i guess

politenessman

07-15-2006, 09:30 PM

Running at 3.6Ghz, but temps up in the low 60's (C) when running dual prime95.. seems a little warm to me. What Vcore you guys running at .. i setup 1.4125 in the bois ?

same vcore. 20x185 . same temps maybe a little higher, stock cooler. had to order the conversion kit for my xp90.

MrGarrison

07-16-2006, 04:02 AM

LOL one time earlier today I could change the VCore but after restart it reset itself to Auto and I was no longer able to change its value.

Okay Silver Bullet I'll try that now...

MrGarrison

07-16-2006, 04:36 AM

It worked, thanks.

Tallman

07-16-2006, 12:13 PM

I am still using the 0401 bios.
but, anyone get this option in your AiBooster to adjust multiplier?
It is not available in bios though. I tried it once and my sys crashed and said bios corrupt so I had to put in original on a floppy for it to find before it would reboot again.http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8992/3885aams4.jpg

Tallman

07-16-2006, 12:22 PM

I wish I understood this ram timing thing. Up to 173 fsb I had a 1:1
@178 fsb it went to 3:4
Now it is 1:2

And why do Asus probe and cpu-z report a different vcore voltage than AiBooster?

kidstechno

07-17-2006, 12:22 PM

I have a question, I just recently built my rig (PD805, P5WDH 2gb G.Skill DDR2800) and with a CNPS9500LED and Lian Li V1000B II Plus, my idle temps are in the low to mid 40s and load temps around 60c at stock. I OC'ed it to 3 GHZ and my load temps were getting near 70c (throttling occured too). Should I maybe try and re-install the heatsink? Used AS Ceramique and put just a tiny thin layer on there but maybe I should have put more. Any ideas? Fan running at optimal, and I think I disabled the AI Quiet or whatever it was in BIOS.

MrGarrison

07-17-2006, 12:30 PM

It doesn't sound that far out to have 70C load temps at 3GHz since it's a P4 (P D or whatever).

k0nsl

07-17-2006, 12:32 PM

I think the sensors must be very bugged or something. I got above 70C with good watercooling and it certainly was a good mount too - so something is obviously wrong with these sensors, for sure...

-k0nsl

I have a question, I just recently built my rig (PD805, P5WDH 2gb G.Skill DDR2800) and with a CNPS9500LED and Lian Li V1000B II Plus, my idle temps are in the low to mid 40s and load temps around 60c at stock. I OC'ed it to 3 GHZ and my load temps were getting near 70c (throttling occured too). Should I maybe try and re-install the heatsink? Used AS Ceramique and put just a tiny thin layer on there but maybe I should have put more. Any ideas? Fan running at optimal, and I think I disabled the AI Quiet or whatever it was in BIOS.

kidstechno

07-17-2006, 01:18 PM

Bah, thankfully the E6600 will run a lot cooler since the 805D is my placeholder until that arrives. But I ran SP2004x2 @ 3ghz and it ran fine for 30minutes, no errors or nothing, just hot as heck.

Tallman

07-17-2006, 01:28 PM

Look at my screenie above. My system is fully loaded there and cpu is at my alltime high of 59c.

My mobo temp was 50c before I put the side door on case and it went down to 44c idle and hardly goes up at all at full load ( door has fan in it that blows right on nb and sb

I idle at 33c-34c on cpu

EDIT; also, I never messed with the heatsinks on either north or southbranch chipset. Heck, they even still have the covers and plastic on them :)

Yraen

07-17-2006, 01:32 PM

Here's my temps. 34c idle and 48c load at 200x20. This is on a swiftech storm waterblock and the 0701 bios.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/575/tempsti8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Nazu

07-17-2006, 01:36 PM

How much I can raise the vcore with P-D 805? I'm using TT BT+AS5 with Antec 1600rpm 120mm fan.

Tallman

07-17-2006, 01:37 PM

Here's my temps. 34c idle and 48c load at 200x20. This is on a swiftech storm waterblock and the 0701 bios.
http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/575/tempsti8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

What kind of ram and what is divider and timings?

Yraen

07-17-2006, 01:38 PM

I've got it set to 1.4375 in the bios. I had to go there to get stable at that speed. Right now I'm playing around with mem timings and voltages, trying to find the best I can now so I'll pretty much know my memory settings once I get my E6600 or E6700 (still undecided).

Tallman

07-17-2006, 01:39 PM

How much I can raise the vcore with P-D 805? I'm using TT BT+AS5 with Antec 1600rpm 120mm fan.

I have been told 1.6 vcore is safe.
I have been up to 1.5 myself

Tallman

07-17-2006, 01:41 PM

That memory thing has me baffled.
the divider changes on me as I go up in fsb and I don't know if 1:1 is better than 3:4 or is 1:2 better than either?

Tallman

07-17-2006, 01:41 PM

And where if at all, am I able to choose?

Nazu

07-17-2006, 01:53 PM

That memory thing has me baffled.
the divider changes on me as I go up in fsb and I don't know if 1:1 is better than 3:4 or is 1:2 better than either?
Upward dividers are best with Intel cpu's, or atleast run the mem sync with cpu. I recall the P5W DH Dlx uses Ami bios too so there should be chipset menu and there is the option to choose different memory dividers. They are not marked as 1:1 or so but like ddr533MHz. (P-D 805 133x20 and memory 533MHz so it's 1:2)

kidstechno

07-17-2006, 01:57 PM

Yah it's weird, mine autos to 1:2. When I was at 3ghz and selected DDR2 600 it was still at 1:2. Havnt found where to adjust it, it seems like it automatically selects the FSB:Ram ratio on the P5W DH

Yraen

07-17-2006, 01:58 PM

What kind of ram and what is divider and timings?

The ram is OCZ Gold 2GB DDR2 800.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227030

http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/404/memorykd4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I can't seem to get it stable at 4-4-4-10 at this speed. I'm going to up the voltage a wee bit more and see what happens. Right now it's set at 2.05 in the bios.

Nazu's got it where the timings are. It took me a bit to find them also. As for the divider it's where you OC the cpu. From all of the benchmarking I've been doing it seems the faster the memory the faster the system. My record on Super Pi right now is 32.953 and that's with these settings (sorry, no screenshot, I'm just using a spreadsheet to see what is best atm).

Tallman

07-17-2006, 02:10 PM

Well, I paid $484 for my memory at newegghttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227092
and al I gotta say is. "I hope it was worth it!" :)
I figured if I got the good stuff (read expensive), I should have no problems withmy OCing

Tallman

07-17-2006, 02:11 PM

Oh, and the memory setting options in bios change with some of the different fsb changes.

Yraen

07-17-2006, 03:09 PM

Yeah, depending on what your FSB is the memory settings change. I would prefer to choose my own divider but this is clocking okay for now. And if I get a chip that will do 400+ fsb then I'll probably be kicking myself for not doing like you and getting some DDR2-1000. Oh well, this chip is going into a HTPC once I get a new one, I might have to pick up some better ram then instead of some lesser ram.

Keep us updated on the ram clocks you end up getting. I'd like to see what I missed out on.

Tallman

07-17-2006, 03:19 PM

I just wish I knew the correct way to go about this. This is my first s775 and ddr2 system. Besides, I never clocked ram before that i knew of anyway. My old p4p800 deluxe has a 2.4c on it that is running @ 3.0 with the stock intel cooler I modified. Thats as far as I ever went at OCing.

EDIT. In the process of taking 805 system apart now to replace the fan in cpu cooler with more cfm and rpm to help keep temps down. current is 42 cfm, 1500 rpm, 24 dba, 100 mm Going to 74 cfm, 2100 rpm, 38 dba, 120 mm... Also ordered
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=370868&prodlist=froogle
Crossing my fingers its not too loud

EDIT2.. I have had this one (805) at 4 ghz with current cooler in windows but at reboot oc failed and bios reset me.
I did not notice what ram ratio was then. I guess it should have been 1:2? I dunno, I am lost there.

Tallman

07-17-2006, 03:32 PM

Did you see this? http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=90973

Yraen

07-17-2006, 06:14 PM

This is my first s775 and DDR2 also. I did overclock my ram on my s478 though. I had a IC7-Max3 with a 2.4c that would do 3.6 until I killed that board. I really miss it. I didn't feel I needed an upgrade until that board died on me and I found out how few s478 enthusiast boards were left on the market. I never did find another board that would let me hit that overclock. This 805 has reminded me how much fun it was to figure out my max performance settings for 24/7.

Playing with the ram while overclocking is fun but trying at times. While finding your max FSB keep your ram running slow with loose timings. Once you've found the FSB you want, start tightening the timings and adjusting the divider. I stayed at the lowest setting offered by this board until I had 200x20 then I started on the ram. I knew I wanted it to run DDR2-800 so I chose that and worked on the timings. I think I can get it to 4-4-4-10 at this speed and when I do I'll be satisfied for now. If how I think DDR2 works is right this will be about even with the BH-5 I've got that do 2-2-2-5. Then again, my understanding could be way off.

Just keep a pad of paper handy and write down every little change you make. It helps keep you from making the same mistake twice.

I've got a pair of these on my rad and two of the 80mm ones inside the case blowing on the ram and across the motherboard. I took the control knobs off that plate and mounted them into a 5 1/4 blank. Not too bad and I can control the noise if it starts bothering me. The case sits under the desk so I don't really hear them too much.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811999344

I wish I'd seen that list of ram before I bought mine, I might have went a different route. I'd just been hearing that the timings didn't matter so much on Intel as they do on AMD. And I figured that 5-5-5-10 was about 2.5-2.5-2.5-5 DDR (if I understand it again).

Tallman

07-18-2006, 05:06 PM

Hmmm..... apparently timings aren't REAL important if I am reading this right.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=107534

Yraen

07-18-2006, 08:01 PM

FLMJIGGY

07-18-2006, 10:16 PM

805 is a furnace... Good watercooling will bring it down a bit but that thing RUNS HOT!!! Hottest processor I have ever owned.

Make sure you have good airflow because mosfets and bridge get hot and if you dont have good circulation... well u get the pic.

Tallman

07-19-2006, 05:57 PM

They aren't as important as they are on an AMD system. Here's a shot. It's a quarter of a second difference. That's why I wasn't too worried about getting some of the tighter ram. I'll still tighten this up as tight as I can though. Check this out for something weird I found with this ram. I may have one stick that is value ram. :(

http://www.bleedinedge.com/forum/showthread.php?p=180832#post180832

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/4714/memorytimingdifferencemt6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I see the OCZ guy didn't perly to you anymore. Maybe he's looking it up?
Weird though, and TBH, I never thought to look at that sort of thing on my sys. Next bootup I'll check it as it is "re-modding" stage now :)

Tallman

07-19-2006, 05:58 PM

FLMJIGGY

07-19-2006, 07:14 PM

Um... they are around the cpu are, actually a few things around the cpu area get hot... i dont have a pic but I'm sure someone around here might!!!

hixie

07-19-2006, 07:50 PM

I managed to push a PD805 to 200FSB on aircooling as a demo on overclocking for a customer, note: aircon was turned up to the max.
Probably not prime stable though.

geforce man

07-19-2006, 09:00 PM

dont know about 805, but my bro's 100$ 820 (lapped) runs nice and cool @ 3.4Ghz stock volts/cooling. (lapping made like a 8c difference)

Tallman

07-20-2006, 06:23 PM

I've had my 805 over 4 ghz in windows, 2d apps ran OK, but it would not reboot to windows. But that was only at 1.5 vcore. I can push it more yet.

FLMJIGGY

07-20-2006, 08:06 PM

Tallman

07-21-2006, 10:36 PM

I've had 2 805d one with a thermalright cooler at 200fsb 5ghz... ran in the high 50's load (low 6o at times). However I had an exhaust fan and it felt hot... ot at east to me. I'm used to A64's!!!

The wattage wasn't that high either like 1.45-1.475

Hmmm, 200 fsb? Let's see...with a 20x multiplier thats 4 Ghz not 5. How did you get 5 Ghz?

Anyway, mine is now at 4.01 Ghz. Check my sig for validation. :)

kidstechno

07-22-2006, 06:00 AM

I get mad throttle action when I try to raise voltages on mine. Got it stable to 3.2ish with stock vcore but bumped it up to 1.41v for 3440 and would pass SP2004 but really slow, used CPUMark and it was throttling down to 2500 and staying there, load temps were about 70c :confused: Anything else I need to raise to maybe stop it from doing this?

mat128

07-22-2006, 07:36 AM

whats the tool I saw the other day to see cpu speed.. like instant? so I can know if my p4 throttles??

I plan on pushing it even further! 4ghz air primestable anyone:slobber:

kidstechno

07-22-2006, 07:42 AM

I'm using the Rightmark CPU Mark Utility

Tallman

07-22-2006, 08:39 PM

I use AIBooster that came with my mobo on the CD to see cpu speed and voltages..and...temps. Also I use PC Probe II also from the CD.

After I replaced the fan in my cpu cooler I am now at 4 ghz booting into windows and can run FEAR and PREY for hours no prob. Also got my ram tightened up too. check sig

Had cpu up to 4.1 but would not reboot into windows, crashed at the desktop. Still @ 1.5 vcore.

kidstechno

07-23-2006, 06:17 AM

Was hitting 3440 stable but getting lower 3dmark06 scores which is really odd since at 2.8 it scores around 4900 while anything higher gives me a 4770ish, mainly in the CPU section. Is there anyway to bypass throttling or what kind of BIOS options should I be using? Is it my power supply? Bumping the vCore up to 1.4-1.5 seems to just make it weird. Using G.Skill ZX (the intel only) @ 2.00v @ 4-4-4-12 so that shouldn't be a problem. This is my first time "really" overclocking so i'm trying to understand all the variable that go into it. :stick:

Also, what programs are best to test with? Using Sp2004 using one to stress CPU 0 and CPU 1, with the stress CPU + some ram setting. Using AIBooster and Rightmark CPU Mark open to see throttling/temps.