Foxconn C51XEM2AA + 3800+ Orleans on the test bed! Pics! (56k)

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0657.JPG

Nice large box :D

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0652.JPG

CPU

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0664.JPG

Stepping

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0662.JPG

2*512 5400 ballistix

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0668.JPG

Nicely packed...

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0669.JPG

The goods...

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0673.JPG

Wow... This package is the real deal. Everything you need. From left to right:

COM bracket
4x USB 2.0 bracket
firewire bracket
manual
drivers
3x 4 pin molex to (2) SATA connectors
6x SATA cables with one right angled end
IDE cable
floppy cable
IO bracket
SLI bridge

The cables are nice quality as well. Not the cheap impossible to bend "round" UV ones DFI throws in the box.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0674.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0676.JPG

:woot:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0677.JPG

4x SATA 2.0 hot swap connectors
sideways CMOS battery (wtf?)
Power and reset switches to the left

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0678.JPG

Molex power connector
com port connectors
2x PCI slots

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0680.JPG

POST code LED readout (Nice!)
2x SATA 2.0 hot swap connectors

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0682.JPG

2x PCIE 16x slots
1x PCIE 4x slot
1x PCIE 1x slot

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0685.JPG

11x 4v560uf caps
8x 16v1800uf caps
Lots of other electronics I don't understand :lol:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0687.JPG

4x DDR2 DIMMs
1x IDE connector

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0690.JPG

Average chipset heatsinks

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0693.JPG

4th pin on CPU fan header?

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0694.JPG

PS2 keyboard/mouse
IEEE1394B
IEEE1394A
6x USB 2.0
8 channel high def audio (likely junk) with digital optical out (yes!)
dual gigabit ethernet

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0695.JPG

Ready to rock!

Going to install windows now, I'll update throughout the night. If you would like to see something tested on the board just ask me. Here's what I have planned:

Max HTT
low lat vs loose lat 32m and 3d01
Max clocks :p:

Anything else?

[Cooper]

Vcore, Vdimm,Vmch stability :cool:

[afireinside]

Anyone know the read points for them on the board? Or do I have to probe around?

[Mr_Slinky]

umm yummy.. looking nice and sezy

[mrlobber]

At which temps the coldbug kicks in ;)

[perkam]

zomg zwoot !!!! :woot:

Nice to see some new hardware action afi, though i think your sig needs updating :up:

Perkam

[afireinside]

At which temps the coldbug kicks in ;)

In due time. I'll need to make a new hold down bracket.

Installing windows now, the BIOS overwhelmed me. HTT speeds and multis for the chipsets, 7 different drive strengths each with a few different levels, and options I've never even heard of :eek:

Odd... it always hangs at "detecting array" even with all forms of SATA and RAID disabled and I can't get it to boot to a CD.

[funkflix]

This board looks really awesome! :toast:

Hope for some great results. :)

[Eldonko]

Vcore, Vdimm,Vmch stability :cool:Same question here. This K9N is so bad for volt reg it just turns off when I use >1.55v. Been watching this board for a while and since DFI is so slow to get anything on the market looks like this is the way to go.

[afireinside]

Well voltages don't even read right in CPUZ, and ntune is whacky, saying my CPU is 51c when BIOS says 33c and heatsink is cool to the touch. I need to find read points on the board.

[perkam]

Hmmm...10 posts and no CPUZ...me smelleth a slow tester ;)

:D

Perkam

[afireinside]

Had to go eat dinner with my family. I'm back now and starting.

[[XC] leviathan18]

worst place ever for the chipset fan connector for the rest great pics AFI really nice board cpu and mem you got... try some BW benchmark like sandra to see what is capable off and some 3D because we all know SPI is well intel game

[perkam]

worst place ever for the chipset fan connector for the rest great pics AFI really nice board cpu and mem you got... try some BW benchmark like sandra to see what is capable off and some 3D because we all know SPI is well intel gameAlso, could you run sandra 2k5 and 2k7 and see if you get the same mem bandwith ? Some people have been reporting big distortions.

Perkam

[afireinside]

Playing with sandra now, I'll grab 2k5 as well.

[fhpchris]

He might do us a Comparo with his 3500+/Expert/ch-UTT :D

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2k5band.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2k7band.JPG

Looks fine to me. Overclocking time :woot:

[Absolute_0]

Overclocking time

:cool:

Too bad you don't have any 20F New Jersey air for it :p:

[afireinside]

Heh yeah...

Board posts FAST! From power on to loading windows is maybe 2 seconds. DFI is about 30 :(

The SPP (black) chipset sink gets HOT! Even at stock. I put a fan over that ASAP.

"Link boost" setting of 250mhz MCP <-> SPP HT link does nothing for performance.

[faruquehabib]

whats the voltage on the cpu and ram?

[perkam]

Keep it coming :D

You should do 2.9 on that cpu with ease :)

Perkam

[fhpchris]

afIr3wIthIn: is bandwidth dependent on cpu speed at all or something


:shocked:

[3oh6]

Keep it coming :D

You should do 2.9 on that cpu with ease :)

Perkam
yup, both of the 0617 CPUs i've had (3200+ and 3500+) do 2.9GHz @ 1.55v give or take. that was on an M2N32 with a weak water setup but they did that on air too. keep the results coming, i should get to toy with one of these real soon.

[afireinside]

Thanks for making me look like an idiot chris.

[fhpchris]

Thanks for making me look like an idiot chris.

I wanted to give the gift of laughter to everyone :toast:

GO TEW BED J00 GOT FINALZ is still funnier though :)

[Nedjo]

Man you really need to set up that memory to DDR2-800 Mode (400MHz freq)

[afireinside]

400mhz 3-3-3-12 trc 12 1T sound good? :D Testing 8m ATM, 1m pass. Swapped over to the AMD heatpipe cooler so CPU clocking soon.

[perkam]

I hope the 3800 is given your avatar treatment soon :)

You know the Foxconn is the one Kingpin uses right :D As for now, do tell of your OC :)

Perkam

[afireinside]

Yep, that's why I bought it. Proven board. Hoping he drops by to explain all these drive strength settings to me :D

8m passed, pics soon.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/ddr800.JPG

[perkam]

I await OCing results with high anticipation :D (And a drop of envy :p )

Perkam

[fhpchris]

Spoiler:


afIr3wIthIn: what a weird cpu
afIr3wIthIn: 2.6 1.45v locks right away
afIr3wIthIn: 2.75 1.5v works

Said 2.8 was working now also.

[afireinside]

What a weird chip... 1.45v and 2.6ghz locks as I click apply on clockgen. I boot at 1.5v and 2.8ghz passes 8m.

[perkam]

So it likes volts. :)

Go for 2.9 stable. You have the skill to go 3ghz stable...except not on the stock cooler :p

Do let us in on the sandra benchies at those speeds :)

Perkam

[afireinside]

I'm testing as fast as I can. 2888 is 8m stable now. Memory needs to go faster :(

I'm on the AMD 4 heatpipe cooler now. No way would stock cooler do 2.9ghz in my room. It has to be 27-28C in here.

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2900bandpi.JPG

I really need 450+ ram :(

CPU @ 1.55v
RAM @ 2.25v

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/ddr800-band-32m.JPG

And I'm done for the night...

[2fink]

nice numbers! cant wait for the dice-benchmarks!

[fhpchris]

WOW! Amazing clocks for a Opteron heatpipe cooler!

I cant wait for BT + Delta or Dice action!

[k|ngp|n]

Nice start! ddr820 was possible with the c3's with 3-3-3-5-1T and the right Dstrengths/ref clock...but higher than that usually require dropping ras to cas to 4 or using 2T cr. Not sure how the ballistix can due, but so far they look good. PM sent AFI.

[Kenetixx]

NIce effort so far AFI , very similar to what im looking at a setup, keep it coming :thumbup:

[Eldonko]

Interesting your sandra result is so close, I get 400 mb/s less w/ 07. Could you try 1.6v for a min to see if you have any booting/ stability issues? Thanks.

[Super Nade]

Arn't teapo caps supposed to be crap? This board seems to be full of 'em.:stick:

[afireinside]

1.6vcore? I'll try that as soon as I get home from lunch. I'll need it to hit 3ghz anyway.

Kingpin gave me some tips for mem clocking as well so I should be getting some more soon soon.

[afireinside]

Rubycon caps around the CPU ;)

Attempting to test:

2800mhz ddr800
3-3-3-8 1t
3-3-3-8 2t
4-4-4-12 1t
4-4-4-12 2t

In 32m to show how much timing affect performence.

It's damn hot in my room today so it might not work out to well :(

Also I dropped to 4-4-4-12 2t and loosened my extra timings a bit real quick and was able to pass DDR1020 with ease.

I'll test 1.6v after the mems.

[perkam]

Coolio :D

Perkam

[Eldonko]

Ok thank you. I want to confirm the board can handle the vcore before picking one up. Because this K9N obviously cannot.

[althes]

keep us updated my new memory should be here in a few days will update my thread

[afireinside]

2800mhz ddr800 3-3-3-8 vs 4-4-4-12 1t and 2t

3-3-3-8 1T

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3338-1t.JPG

3-3-3-8 2T

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3338-2t.JPG

4-4-4-12 1T

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/44412-1t.JPG

4-4-4-12 2T

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/44412-2t.JPG

1T to 2T = 16-17 sec in both cases
3-3-3-8 vs 4-4-4-12 = 19-20 sec

37 sec from 3-3-3-8 1t to 4-4-4-12 2t is a big difference. Not sure if the 100mhz gain is enough to cover that. Might test tomorrow.

Vcore and CPU now.

[afireinside]

1.6v runs fine, 2950 through 1m but cpu heat is killing me on 8m. pwm area isn't getting all that hot either.

8m stable 2930mhz 1.6v :)

[Eldonko]

Good stuff, how many phase power is this board, any idea?

How far can you go w/ 1T?

[afireinside]

http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelink.html?rlid=131317

4 phase ;)

So far I got 410mhz/ddr820 with 1T. 400mhz 100% 32m and 3d stable.

[afireinside]

Now this is interesting. I tested 3-3-3-8 1t 363mhz vs 4-4-4-12 2t 483mhz at 2900mhz CPU speed in 8m and 3dmark and the results are quite surprising:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3338-8m.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/44412-8m.JPG

Leads me to believe there is around a 100mhz difference in pi between the two sets of timings... Sounds reasonable. On to 3dmark!

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3338-01.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/44412-01.JPG

At first I thought "damn nice car low or something" then I saw improvements across the board. Very strange...

Stock X800pro if anyone is wondering. Win XP and cat 6.5s.

[perkam]

Ok so.

Sandra prefers Cas 3 1T over Cas 4 2T.
But 3dmark prefers Cas 4 2T over Cas 3 1T.

Too bad I care more about Sandra :p: Nice score for stock x800 pro :) Those scores used to be for stock X800XTs on stock FX-57s :)

Perkam

[ZX7891]

wow at 3dmark scores, its interesting that 3dmark likes mhz more than timings

[afireinside]

1.625v running flawlessly :) Almost had 2.95 through 8m but it crashed as the final loop started "not convergent in main" Doing 2932mhz now, probably my max on this heatsink.

[bachus_anonym]

Very nice comparisons AFI :up: Same conclusion I'm coming up with after playing a bit with my AM2 setup - sheer memory speed is what counts - DDR2-1080 8-4-4-4.0-2T wipes the floor with DDR2-900 8-3-3-3.0-2T :fact: Just like in your comparos @ 2900MHz :)
Good stuff with testing :toast:

[ugp]

4th pin on CPU fan header?

The BIOSTAR I used to build my dads AM2 system had a 4-Pin Fan connector as well...I am not sure what they plan to be using...

Did you notice how tiny the boxes are for AMD now...I ordered a 3500+ and it was so tiny...

[afireinside]

Very nice comparisons AFI :up: Same conclusion I'm coming up with after playing a bit with my AM2 setup - sheer memory speed is what counts - DDR2-1080 8-4-4-4.0-2T wipes the floor with DDR2-900 8-3-3-3.0-2T :fact: Just like in your comparos @ 2900MHz :)
Good stuff with testing :toast:

Thanks :)

Tight timings with 2T seems kind of useless. They can hold their own but only at 1t in pi. 3d is a slaughter. I have not been able to pass DDR820 @ 1T for the life of me. These sticks can't do over DDR1020 at 4-4-4-12 either and tras = 8 at ddr1000 gives me an insta lock.

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2947-32m-band.JPG

Vcore = 1.65v
Vdimm = 2.3

That's all for tonight. I'll try to get some better cooling tomorrow. Kind of odd that 2947 passes 32m and 3004 failed 1m first loop :(

[2fink]

4pin fan-connector is used on most btx boards. the fourth pin is to pwm-controll the fan-speed.

[perkam]

Go for 8k :D

Perkam

[Cooper]

So what`s the max HT for your board afi ?

[afireinside]

I'll test that today

[afireinside]

While the forums were down...

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/571-32m.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/571-3d01.JPG

Vcore = 1.65
Vdimm = 2.5

Need a vdimm mod :(

Max HTT was around 350-360. This board is no HTT champ.

Still can't get over 2.95ghz... Tried 1.675 and 1.7v but it round errors half way through pi. Not sure what's up with that considering 2.95 is 100% 3d and 32m pi stable.

[afireinside]

Same ram clocks down to 4-4-3-8 :D Working on tweaking 32m right now. CPU @ 2.85ghz 1.65v is loading 60C during the last few loops of 32m... No wonder I can't hit 3ghz.

[Cooper]

Not a champ, but certainly not a looser.
350-360 is enough to OC any CPU to the limit with air/water.
thanks for testing that :)

[Revage]

afi , try it with dice

[afireinside]

afi , try it with dice

I will soon, need a hold down.

[k|ngp|n]

Nice work AFI. Looking forward to that DI action...3 inch mousepot? :toast:
I have run sandra at 306fsb with the foxconn, but not higher. I'll be doing some head to head comparisons with the Asus am2 board in the next week or two. If the Asus can run some mean timings at high fsb with no CB issues, it should beat these results easily.
Best sandra results on foxconn/fx62/corsair C5 2.35vdimm cpu@3350mhz:

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/10364169/158975447.jpg

7k unbuffered
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/10364169/158975444.jpg

[afireinside]

Nice stuff :D I wonder if I can get my tras down to 5... I'll have to try that.

Yeah 3" mousepot. Jason said he has some delrin AM2 hold downs made but I haven't caught him on AIM recently so I'm just going to figure something out over the weekend.

I look forward to what you do with the ASUS board. If Shamino's ram clocks mean anything it should be a monster!

[k|ngp|n]

Nice stuff :D I wonder if I can get my tras down to 5... I'll have to try that.

Yeah 3" mousepot. Jason said he has some delrin AM2 hold downs made but I haven't caught him on AIM recently so I'm just going to figure something out over the weekend.

I look forward to what you do with the ASUS board. If Shamino's ram clocks mean anything it should be a monster!

Machinist problems I think is what he said.

For me, when I was benching 3d and trying to put am2 at the top of the orb, the Foxconn proved to be better. I had way more issues with the mem controller on the chip with that asus mobo when trying to run really tight timings(3-3-3-5-1T-12trc) + lowest die temps on the chip.
It's one thing to run SP sandra etc all day on air or chilled water with low cpu speed(33-3400mhz)..but as soon as you push the chip hard over 3600mhz for 3d or heavy load, especially one with a sh*t cold bug, the rules change. High fsb doesn't matter anymore at all. Only thing that matters is how tight you can get the ram/chipset timings at 210htt or lower:D

[afireinside]

Chipset timings? What are they? I've only been playing with the ram and drive strengths.

What speed do you run the SPP<->MCP at? Does it make a difference?

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0711.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0715.JPG

Orleans is under water :lol: Doin it AFI style. I'll rig up the water setup after I get back from bestbuy for some ice water benching @ 3g+

Oh yeah forgot to save the pic to my thumb drive but I have a shot of 32m @ 571mhz ram 4-4-3-5 TRC=11 :D

[vapb400]

haha nice mounting, cant wait to see those results

[althes]

cant wait to see the action

[k|ngp|n]

Looks tasty man. Clever mounting.



Oh yeah forgot to save the pic to my thumb drive but I have a shot of 32m @ 571mhz ram 4-4-3-5 TRC=11 :D

Those are some real nice results too. Ballistix are rocking on that board. I tried some patriot's, but the Corsair smoked them.

[perkam]

32m @ 571mhz ram 4-4-3-5 TRC=11 Whoa ? Did you really end up getting that ??? :eek:


http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL256/1324330/10364169/158975447.jpg Nicee :D

Perkam

[afireinside]

Whoa ? Did you really end up getting that ??? :eek:

Nicee :D

Perkam

Yes I'll get you a screenie in a bit. Water is all ready to go but I'm playing a bit of CS first :p:

[3oh6]

Yes I'll get you a screenie in a bit. Water is all ready to go but I'm playing a bit of CS first :p:
ahhh you damn kids and your games ;)

can't wait to see what your CPU does on cold water. those ballistix are getting up there nicely at 4-4-3-x. i am still on the M2N32-SLI but the highest i have my OCZ D9GKX 2x1GB 4-4-3-5 is 551 (breakin DDR1100 4-4-3-x with my first kit of DDR2 is nice), of course with the CPU at x9 so nothing worth seeing bandwidth of. i hope the foxconn does better with them, i should move over to the C51 on sunday soemtime i hope.

[afireinside]

Ok heres the deal. I can run 571mhz 4-4-3-5 TRC=11

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/571improved.JPG

Now TRC=11 when I clockgen to 3ghz = REBOOT

So I run through 32m at 3ghz 1.675v on water with the ram 4-4-4-8 TRC=12 and brought the TRRD to 4 as well. This one's for you Perkam ;) 8k sandra

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3004-32m-band.JPG

Then I ran 3d01 (stock x800pro)

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3004-3d01.JPG

Same exact score I got at 2.85ghz 571mhz ram 4-4-3-5. Seems that 3d01 loves it's mem clocks...

Now I drop down to 4-4-3-5 and bring the TRRD back to 3 and start 32m. About half way through it round errors. I set TRAS=8 and it crashes after a few loops. At this point I couldn't even clockgen to 3ghz any more without setting back to 4-4-4-8 TRRD=4. Not sure if it was the board being quirky or the CPU getting to hot or what. I'll figure it out tomorrow I guess.

3050mhz = insta BSOD when running 1m :( Maybe with 1.7v+ I can get it. Loading around 45-47c now. This mount doesn't work all that well. Jason is hooking me up with an AM2 hold down plate for the mousepot so hopefully dice action by the end of next week.

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0727.JPG

I assume everyone knows what this is for? :D Many thanks Jason! DIce will fly on wednesday if all goes well.

[perkam]

I assume everyone knows what this is for? Many thanks Jason! DIce will fly on wednesday if all goes well.:eek:

Nice :D

Perkam

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/LOLCONTACT.JPG

Guess ghettotek AM2 mount V1.0 doesn't work to well... Mounting mousepot.

[funkflix]

Looks more like an uneven IHS to me. :)

[afireinside]

Not sure what I did to my camera but I think I messed the flash settings up. Sorry about the bad pics but I decided to remount the SPP and MCP coolers with ceramique. If anyone was wondering why some reviewes got stuck at 240 htt and 280 htt (hardocp and bit tech) heres a likely cause:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0730.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0731.JPG

Note how there is hardly ANY contact on the MCP. This stuff was like old bubble gum and was a nightmare to get off.

[3oh6]

nice work AFI, nice heads up on the heatsinks. i am so close to moving over to the foxconn i can taste it.

and im with funkflix, time to lap that IHS

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0736.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0737.JPG

Looks like I got a bit of a problem... Can't fit the insulation donut :( I wonder if the black ram slots clock as well as the blue. If they don't I'll have to find a new way to insulate.

[2fink]

good luck to find a solution. cant wait to see some dice results on am2 :toast:

[afireinside]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0738.JPG

Popped the IHS. Not sure if it sits lower than socket cam or what but mousepot will mount fine.

[k|ngp|n]

Looks like I got a bit of a problem... Can't fit the insulation donut :( I wonder if the black ram slots clock as well as the blue. If they don't I'll have to find a new way to insulate.

Use some 3/8-1/2 inch for the bottom piece insulation. I was still able to use the blue slots and have tiny gap for air flow that way. No probs for me with with frost or condesation @-45c anyways. The bubble gum tim is trash :).

[afireinside]

I cut the donut down to about 1/4" and it barly fits now. Got the insulation done, just waiting for a day when it's not humid and raining.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0741.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0742.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0744.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0745.JPG

Hope the back insulation works. Trying to get away without needing to use nail polish and sticky foam tape since I hate cleaning it off.

[thunderstruck!]

Pictures won't load for me.:(

[afireinside]

Yeah evilsporks hosting dies every now and then. I need to get my own.

[Theta]

Did you use neoprene and lexan? Hard to tell from the pics, but great idea as long as there is enough insulation.

Nothing like cleaning up a board after using protective paint and nail polish... :p:

[afireinside]

Yes it's a piece of 1/2" thick diving grade neoprene cut to fit around back plate, held down by 1/8" lexan. I'd rather have a 1/4" piece of lexan but all I had was this 1/8" piece.

[Peter1967]

I will be getting one of these in the near future along with a AMD AM2 X2 5000+ cpu.

[WesM63]

AFI,
Did you ever run it under DI?

[3oh6]

yeah mate, did you do any runs? also, have you found a spot to measure vcore on the C51? i found vdimm and various other voltage reading spots but nothing i can reach outside my ghetto waterblock rig is giving me a vcore reading.

[afireinside]

It's been 90F+ with 50% humidity for the past week so I haven't run. It's nice today but I have a cod2 match tonight and when you're playing for money you need to take it seriously, so no time to dice. Tomorrow if the weather holds.

Where's the VDIMM read point? I've been afraid to look since my hand isn't steady.

[3oh6]

here is a photo with the two readings that i have found. the black writing is what is set in BIOS/nTune. the red reading from the leg is bang on with whatever is set. the green point is the leg on the hidden side and this is
higher than what is set but scales with vdimm voltage.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v220/3oh6/xsforum/c51_vdimm_1.jpg

maybe i should move this photo over to your MB vmod thread and get this stuff figured out.

[N00B]

:toast:

NIce Oc'ing and benching.

Very usefull information about ddr2 timings.
Tks

Give some fresh Water to your Am2.

Keep on Oc'ing.

[afireinside]

Thanks 3oh6! It seems that's the read poit on the IC leg. The choke that Persivore wanted me to measure must be related somehow...

[althes]

good going man if i find time this weekend will setup my own board for a decnt run

[afireinside]

Ok it's been a while. Sorry to disappoint but I never ran dry ice. I waited for 2 weeks for a day that wasn't hot and humid but it never came. I had gaps in my insulation so I didn't want to run on a typical 90f 60% humidity day.

I took the mousepot off today as I got these:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0760.JPG

Another set of ballistix :D
BUT there's bad news. After taking the mousepot off I realized that I had damaged two SMDs on the CPU (how'd you guess)

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0761.JPG

I have no PSU now which is why I didn't dice or test anything this week but UPS will be dropping off an OCZ 700 and x1900xt tonight. If the CPU still works (it should since it POSTed with mousepot and broken SMDs) I'll have some 4 way interleaving results/comparisons ASAP. If the CPU is broken they I'll have to wait for the price drops so I can snag an X2 5000+ EE. And yes the IHS will stay on that one.

[afireinside]

Yay PSU is here!

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0762.JPG

Very nice PSU. They cut the size down greatly from the powerstream models and they use a stealth black finish and not a shiny one. Having all the cables sleved is a major plus. I was happy to see molex grip things that make removing the molex easier like the enermax liberty has and even happier that they didn't follow the same wiring scheme. Some retard at enermax decided that going molex sata molex sata on every power cord was a good idea. Well it's not. OCZ on the other hand gives me more cables than I know what to do with:

20/24 pin ATX
4/8 pin 12V
2x 6 pin PCIE
2x 3 sata cable
2x 3 molex 1 floppy cable

Unless you're trying to make your computer hover, have a massive 8+ drive RAID array, or you want to enter it in am import car show, I can't think of a use for every single connector. Good job OCZ! :up:

Next is the GeCube X1900XT that newegg had on sale.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0763.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0765.JPG

Bunch of connectors, 2x molex to PCIE and 2x DVI to analog connectors not shown, delta force something or other game, and some boring DVD software. Then a CD with old drivers and a big multi language manual. I didn't bother looking at any of it.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0767.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0768.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0769.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0770.JPG

This card is BIG! Even longer than my 7800GTs and the cooler weighs a ton. Hopefully I can deal with the drivers and overclocking. Would have gone with a 7950GX2 if I hadn't gotten such a killer deal on this card.

I'll hook PSU and CPU up now and see if the poor orleans still works.

[3oh6]

good to see a full system ready to roll...well hoping that the CPU is still rolling.

i just received my OCZ 700W the other day too and was quite pleased with the overall appearance of the flat black finish and small stature of the unit. plus the cables are actually useful with the way they are setup. looks like a twin for my now tiny 560W ST56ZF, i still think its single 12V rail will hold its own against the 700W but don't tell that to the GameXStream ;)

a pair of 7900GTXs should be making their way to my place tomorrow so all kinds of fun should be had this week. look for my pissing around with that stuff somewhere around here at XS.

i look forward to the 4-way action AFI and have my fingers crossed for the Orleans.

[afireinside]

Orleans works fine. It got wayyyy to hot in my room so I moved everything into the basement but I've been gaming. Off to bench now. Does 4 way interleaving enable it's self? There's no BIOS option for it.

[3oh6]

Orleans works fine. It got wayyyy to hot in my room so I moved everything into the basement but I've been gaming. Off to bench now. Does 4 way interleaving enable it's self? There's no BIOS option for it.
good to hear about the CPU...as for the interleaving, your right, there is no BIOS option for it. now that i think about it, the M2N32 doesn't have anything in the BIOS that caught my eye on that front either. perhaps it will detect that it can and just run straight out of the hopper?

[afireinside]

Couldn't get 4*512 to do ddr1000 4-4-4-8 :( Quit for the night since I'm tired. I'll figure it out tomorrow. I hope it's something other than the new kit of ram (have to test them on their own)

[roadie]

Heh, I like the pizza on top of the mobo. I'd not feel comfortable with grease dripping over it though.

I am thinking about going AM2, as the investment into 2Gb of DDR2 will be much better than DDR; should I go for the 3200+ or 3500+?

[afireinside]

542mhz 2.5v 32m stable, working on 550mhz. Crashes half way through. Didn't play with x1900xt much, set 650/750 and that was it. I'll check ram and reseat cooler with ceramique tonight along with uploading the screenshots of ram.

[afireinside]

Ok here we go. 4*512 4-4-4-8 2T 542mhz 1.5v

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/542-4way.JPG

Try as I might, I can't get 550 for the life of me. Not sure if it's an AMD IMC limitation or the new set of ram.

X1900XT seems to be doing nicely as well:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/12.5k.JPG

[perkam]

You need some water for the card and ...

How come no 3.8Ghz++ on Orleans ?? :confused:

I've seen people on water doing 13k on X1900GTs, and with your combo, closer to 15k m8 :)

Perkam

[fhpchris]

You need some water for the card and ...

How come no 3.5Ghz++ on X2 ?? :confused:

I've seen people on water doing 13k on X1900GTs, and with your combo, closer to 15k m8 :)

Perkam

He does not own a AM2 X2, only a single core :(

I am sure he is only running ~3ghz, and not 3.5+. He has not used DICE yet.

[perkam]

He does not own a AM2 X2, only a single core :(

I am sure he is only running ~3ghz, and not 3.5+. He has not used DICE yet.Post updated...:D

My question was when he is planning to do some real damage with DICE :)

Perkam

[afireinside]

Maybe if I can figure out a way to 100% insulate but it's 90F and high humidity every day :(

[NXds]

Do it 1-2 am at night?

[bachus_anonym]

Nice, DIMM slots fully loaded :toast: I've always liked the way it looked :lol:
Is 4-way interleaving working for you the same it worked in my case. AFI? Did you notice any difference in benchmarks? I don't think that DDR2-1080 is some magic number (as you mentioned) or a limit. Probably just a coincidence, that we're both hitting same clocks. I was on 4x1GB though...

[afireinside]

I didn't test throughly but I noticed a .5 sec difference in 1m when I was playing around trying to figure out what was wrong. I'll test the new set by it's self tomorrow to see if it passes 550.

Around 1-2am the humidity hits 80% or higher.

[arisythila]

Hey! Why is your memory bench mark so jacked up? I have a 3800+ aswell, and my memory numbers are not that bad. Heres what im doing.

540Mhz
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6517/540buffdlb4.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=540buffdlb4.jpg)

580mhz
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4130/580buffd1jh7.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=580buffd1jh7.jpg)

Just showing some comparison, not thread crapping or anything.. Good luck.

~Mike

[perkam]

Hey! Why is your memory bench mark so jacked up? I have a 3800+ aswell, and my memory numbers are not that bad. Heres what im doing.

540Mhz
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6517/540buffdlb4.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=540buffdlb4.jpg)

580mhz
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4130/580buffd1jh7.th.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/my.php?image=580buffd1jh7.jpg)

Just showing some comparison, not thread crapping or anything.. Good luck.

~Mikeyou're not thread crapping, but you're making the same mistake I did :p:

His is single core 3800+ ;)

Perkam

[arisythila]

Dual core makes that much of a difference? I don't remeber that with 939...

~Mike

[afireinside]

Dual core makes a huge difference in memory bandwidth. Mine would be similar to yours with a dual core. Nice clocks on your ram though :) Do you think you can tighten up the tras and trc? They're really high.

[biohead]

Hey man I like the work you're putting into this, very clean and thought through. It gives me a good impression of AM2. Relatively speaking, the core on your x19 isnt doing bad as well, as mine starts to crap even BEFORE 700mhz because it just gets too hot. Anyways keep it up :thumbsup:

[perkam]

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0760.JPGMakes me wanna go 4x512mb all over again :p:

Perkam

[fhpchris]

Makes me wanna go 4x512mb all over again :p:

Perkam

You should see my 4x1gb D9GMH action on the Aopen :)

[3oh6]

Dual core makes that much of a difference? I don't remeber that with 939...

~Mike
yeah i was caught off gaurd by the low single core numbers as well. check my thread on some solid OCZ sticks...
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106976

stoopid memory clocks but with a single core, the bandwidth numbers are just mediocre at best.

@AFI, the more i look at that mass of ballistix memory jammed intot he slots the dead sexier it gets. those heatspreaders X4 just looks sick.

[ozzimark]

I don't think that DDR2-1080 is some magic number (as you mentioned) or a limit. Probably just a coincidence, that we're both hitting same clocks. I was on 4x1GB though...
count me in on that coincidence... i'm topping out at around 543mhz with 4-4-3 :banana:
edit: with 2x1gb.
a 256mb stick has no problem at ~580mhz?

[3oh6]

my Foxconn C51 hit a wall of 1080 with OCZ 2x1GB (C4 or C5) but i thought it was CPU related...hmmm. i will investigate that right now i guess. the M2N32 has no issues with my 3GHz 3200+ running 2x1GB 1100 4-4-3-5.

[afireinside]

Nice ram post 3oh6 :)

Working on a 32m and 3d01 compare between 2 and 4 sticks give me an hour.

[afireinside]

Well I'm not sure what's going on now but I can't get 542.5 to pass 32m anymore with 4 sticks. Both the new and old set do the speed fine on their own :(

[john3]

what type of cooling are you using?

that is amazing results, im also gettin ghte 3800+, and was wondering which mobo i should guess, not anymore i guess, lol.

[afireinside]

stock amd headpipe cooler from opterons.

[[XC] moddolicous]

Try placing a fan over the ram or something. Try switching the ram slots they are in (ie blue with black). Great reveiw AFI.

[john3]

OMG! that is nuts, i cant wait for mine.

[afireinside]

Try placing a fan over the ram or something. Try switching the ram slots they are in (ie blue with black). Great reveiw AFI.

Already have two fans flowing over them and I've tested each set in both slots and both sets are 32m stable in either slots at 550+. Even with looser secondary timings I can't get 542 stable with 4 sticks again. I think it's some sort of IMC limitation at 2gb/4 sticks as bachus, ozzi, and 3oh6 are hitting similar walls. I'll try to pick up an X2 tonight to see if the winsdor core has a better IMC.

[afireinside]

Ran dry ice today finally. What a mess. Here's what happened.

Booted 3ghz, 3.1 locks. YAY COLD BUG! So I run SP2004 and start clocking. 3.4ghz at 1.7v not bad. 3.45 locked so I head into BIOS to set 1.75v. I shovled more ice into the pot and as I pushed it down the system shut off. Instead of being logical and realizing that I had bent the board to far, I tore it all apart. No condensation.

Bios was reading 44C at this point (wtf?)

Put nail polish over the SMDs on the CPU thinking they got a bit damp. Remount and now I can't get over 3.1ghz or so. Then 2.9ghz started freezing in windows. I tore it down thinking bad contact. Nope! Best contact I've seen in months

Bios was reading 17C on that mount

Remount a third time with no nail polish. Got to 3.3ghz but couldn't get over it no matter what ram speed, timings, cpu voltage, or if I took 2 sticks of ram out. Eventually prime started crashing after 3d/pi and I was running out of ice

Bios was reading 23c this mount

Pics:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0771.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0776.JPG

Yeah I insulated with paper towel :D It worked great!

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0779.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/IMG_0780.JPG

Yeah I blow at taking pictures :(

I have a small video clip but it's a 9mb avi and I'm to lazy to convert it using windows movie maker or whatever. I installed that ATI AVIVIO thing to do it with my X1900XT but I have no idea how to use it.

I have CPUZ validation of this clock but of course it's going to screw me and say "File not authorized"

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/3310-1m.JPG

Only run I bothered to save a picture of. I had 28.375 sec with the ram at 3-3-3-5 2t. Quite unimpressive. Depressing actually. I couldn't run bandwidth either as sandra 05 and 07 didn't want to open for me. 8m clocked in at 4m 54s. Didn't want to waste any more time with 32m.

ddr1100mhz WILL NOT run at -72c
1T WILL NOT run at -72c

AM2 is slow.

I have a 3800+ x2 coming tomorrow but I'm just going to test it, swap it into my daily rig, and sell my 939 stuff. Time to wait for conroe. If a single core cold bugs at 250 htt then a 10x multi dual core isn't going anywhere.

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/MVI_07750.wmv
^right click save as

AVIVO is awesome! It's a shame the rest of ATIs driver is so bad. I'll save my ATI rant for another day.

[NickS]

Nice run man. Too bad about the remounts but overall it seems like AM2 really isn't that much better than 939!

[fhpchris]

Nice run man. Too bad about the remounts but overall it seems like AM2 really isn't that much better than 939!


That has to be wrong, your running 3.3ghz DDR800 @ 3-3-3-5 @ dice.

And You cannot beat my 3.1ghz DDR530 @ 3-3-2-5 @ air.

Is something wrong with that run?

[3oh6]

Is something wrong with that run?
yeah, stress prime running in the background to keep temps up and from locking...i am sure AFI can get better times with that rig of his on air...easy like.

as for your run, crappy to hear you had such a bad run of it. you weren't alone the last couple of days. i put an x2 3800+ into the foxconn last night, on booting i got a bunch of beeps and a quick flash on the screen about checksum then a reboot and get no beeps now, just double 00 on the diagnostic. not sure what the happened but its not looking good...processor is fine and running in a Biostar 570 U (crippled with current BIOS). i'm thinking BIOS but who knows, either way...my AM2 world isn't so peachy either.

[fhpchris]

yeah, stress prime running in the background to keep temps up and from locking...i am sure AFI can get better times with that rig of his on air...easy like.

as for your run, crappy to hear you had such a bad run of it. you weren't alone the last couple of days. i put an x2 3800+ into the foxconn last night, on booting i got a bunch of beeps and a quick flash on the screen about checksum then a reboot and get no beeps now, just double 00 on the diagnostic. not sure what the happened but its not looking good...processor is fine and running in a Biostar 570 U (crippled with current BIOS). i'm thinking BIOS but who knows, either way...my AM2 world isn't so peachy either.

AFIs best 1m @ air is 28.5s.

[ozzimark]

AFIs best 1m @ air is 28.5s.
that's about what i get with a sempron with 256kb cache at 2.95ghz and 2x1gb at 491mhz, 4-4-3, 2T

[3oh6]

that's about what i get with a sempron with 256kb cache at 2.95ghz and 2x1gb at 491mhz, 4-4-3, 2T
that sounds about right, and AFI getting that number on air sounds about right as well. i was just implying that he should be getting much better times at that high a clock so there is likely an explanation or something simple.

on a similar note...lately i have been trying to get my 3GHz records from 939 and I can't touch my 32M or 1M times with a sinlge core AM2. i can get down to 27.5 for 1M but even with the crazy clocking memory i have right now...i don't see AM2 breaking 27 seconds under 3GHz. perhaps it is the lack of 1MB L2 cache...anyone else close???

[fhpchris]

that sounds about right, and AFI getting that number on air sounds about right as well. i was just implying that he should be getting much better times at that high a clock so there is likely an explanation or something simple.

on a similar note...lately i have been trying to get my 3GHz records from 939 and I can't touch my 32M or 1M times with a sinlge core AM2. i can get down to 27.5 for 1M but even with the crazy clocking memory i have right now...i don't see AM2 breaking 27 seconds under 3GHz. perhaps it is the lack of 1MB L2 cache...anyone else close???

I just broke in the 27s 1m on Air on my 939, and I do not see am2 doing that on dual core anytime soon after seeing AFI's results.

Apparently its hard to duplicate BH-5 still ;D

[3oh6]

I just broke in the 27s 1m on Air on my 939, and I do not see am2 doing that on dual core anytime soon after seeing AFI's results.

Apparently its hard to duplicate BH-5 still ;D
sorry to jack your thread AFI but...was that at or under 3GHz in the 27s with BH-5? i have only been able to pull it off with TCCD and can't get the voltage monsters to get the job done. no DDRII i have touched will get past 27.5 at 3GHz but i am only working with 512 L2 instead of the 1MB on the 939.

[afireinside]

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the x2 :( Does the board still work with a single core?

Nah chris was at 3.1ghz with some OCZ EB.

SP2004 didn't help but I also got my best time ever with it running. 3.57ghz in win 2k pulled me 23.1sec with SP2004 open.

LDB4F 0626 XPMW 3800+ here. Bet this one bugs even worse :(

My times sucked so bad at 3.3 because I was running 3-3-3-5 2t at 413mhz. You really need 500+ at 4-4-4-8 2t to see any power from DDR2. Only problem is high mem clocks like 550 required to get that power don't run thanks to cold bug.

[afireinside]

Spent a few hours with the 3800+... It's HOT! I've thought core temp is a load of BS but I think it's right here. Telling me I'm loading 52/55C (how can it read 2 temps from one die?) so I touched the heatpipes (still using stock AMD cooler) and they were HOT! 4 sticks of ram at 2.5v gets pretty hot to.

As usual I'm running dual 32m. I figured I could either run 561mhz with 2 sticks of 466 with 4... I chose 2 sticks :p:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2800-32m1.JPG

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/2800-32m2.JPG

Vcore = 1.45v

I tried up to 1.55v to get 2.9ghz stable but it BSOD'd half way through and the heatpipes were scolding hot. I need a better cooler.

So I decided to try bandwidth (got sandra to work again thanks to ozzimark :toast: ) and got this first try:

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/10ksandra.JPG

Decided to try 4 sticks and with some pushing I got 11k!

http://afireinside.evilspork.net/AFI/AM2/11k-bandwidth.JPG

I've never been able to get 4 sticks stable over 540mhz with the orleans so I was surprised. Maybe the windsor IMC is much stronger? I'll test pi tomorrow but I need a break for now. 4 way interleaving seems to give about 600mb in buffered bandwidth, at 2.8ghz anyway. I was hitting 10,950ish at 2.8 flat so I kicked it up a notch for 11k :D

[3oh6]

aces on the 11K AFI, i haven't had the pleasure of breaking it myself yet because my X2 memory controller won't play nice at DDR1100 4-4-3-5...AKA it candle handle it with 2GBs. i haven't had enough time to mess aorund with it to figure out foresure if the memory controller is my issue or not. the water will be available soon enough so i can move it back over there and see what is up.

[perkam]

This chip doesn't do your dice skills justice afi :up:

Grab an X2 if you can :)

Perkam

[afireinside]

Thanks perkam :)


aces on the 11K AFI, i haven't had the pleasure of breaking it myself yet because my X2 memory controller won't play nice at DDR1100 4-4-3-5...AKA it candle handle it with 2GBs. i haven't had enough time to mess aorund with it to figure out foresure if the memory controller is my issue or not. the water will be available soon enough so i can move it back over there and see what is up.

Damn :( If you clockgen to ddr1100 or higher at 4-4-3-5 does it insta lock? I can't remember if my single core does. Pretty sure this X2 has a stronger memory controller that's letting me run 561 with 2gb for sandra at least. Didn't have time to play with it today. I'm going to try mounting watercooling again, hopefully I get good contact this time. Also need to install photoshop so I don't have to use paint to resize pics. Paint makes them look bad :(

[fhpchris]

This chip doesn't do your dice skills justice afi :up:

Grab an X2 if you can :)

Perkam

I have some stuff going to AFI for some Dice action, it isnt new hardware though...

We will see if AFI can grab some Intel S478 WRs.

[afireinside]

Well I think I found my ram problem... I had no luck getting 4*512 to clock well so I decided to just run 2 sticks and try to get a faster 32m time at the same clocks, this time with the latest version of CPUZ and a spi mod with the checksum thing working.

I start 32m x2, go to get a drink, and as I'm walking down the stairs *DOINK* *DOINK* the sound my mobo speaker makes when pi fails. Both instances failed after the initial value. Pulled the ram out to realize it's my new kit. Swapped it for the old 575mhz kit and it's running smoothly. I guess the new set just doesn't clock well.

[3oh6]

Sorry to hear about your bad luck with the x2 :( Does the board still work with a single core?
i finally got around to testing it and yes, with a single core i get POST right into BIOS. witha dual core i get nothing...now there is just two dahses on the diagnostic LEDs. any thoughts? i have the latest BIOS although they posted a new one on their site a couple of days ago but you can't download it.

i have tried clearing CMOS before putting in the dual core but nothing. i have tried different memory, single stick, different slots, nothing. yes, the X2 works fine in the M2N32.

crappy luck on the memory man...can't get good stuff all the time i guess.

[Aldy402]

pretty solid for a early rev. of the 590 shipset, cant wait to see intels version

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Ouch am2 is dissapointing to say the least..
MY opty 165 @ 2.9 does close to same pi 1M 28.7

I cant wait till he gets the required hardware to get this fuggr clocking the way he knows he can...

Will stay tuned..

[fhpchris]

Ouch am2 is dissapointing to say the least..
MY opty 165 @ 2.9 does close to same pi 1M 28.7

I cant wait till he gets the required hardware to get this fuggr clocking the way he knows he can...

Will stay tuned..


I dont think he is going to see more than 3 ghz, as nearly all the AM2 steppings are hella cold bugged.

Unless he finds a 300$ FX62, I dont think we will see many more Dice AM2 benchies.

We have two problems:

1) coldbug
2) need 600mhz cas 4 ram to equal BH-5 performance @ PI

[afireinside]

Actually 575/2=287.5 so I'm on par with good bh5 since 4-4-3-5 is on par with 2-2-2-5 bh5 assuming the ddr2 is double the speed.

BUT AM2 is cold bugged so hard there's no way I'm touching 575mhz ram @ -70c. Plus with this "4F" stepping I will probably bug before I even hit sub 0.

[fhpchris]

Actually 575/2=287.5 so I'm on par with good bh5 since 4-4-3-5 is on par with 2-2-2-5 bh5 assuming the ddr2 is double the speed.

BUT AM2 is cold bugged so hard there's no way I'm touching 575mhz ram @ -70c. Plus with this "4F" stepping I will probably bug before I even hit sub 0.

I am talking about actual performance though, you can do all the NN_STEP math that you want, but you ran 28.5s or so 1m.

I can do that on XP with 265 3-3-2-5 at ~3ghz.

People with BH-5 and single cores get into the 26s 1m @ 3ghz range. :(

[KeZzZu]

maybe you just have to do some pelt action with variable resistor then you can adjust power of peltier? ot rip hs from mems and cool down with peltier it help litle bit.