View Full Version : Quick question about Woodcrest
MrGarrison
06-12-2006, 01:30 AM
Why not buy Woodcrest instead of Conroe?
hicookie
06-12-2006, 01:43 AM
WoodCrest?
First thing,u must buy "FB-Dimm" not unbuffer ddr2
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/hicookie-ke3/w1.jpg
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/hicookie-ke3/w2.jpg
hicookie
06-12-2006, 01:49 AM
FBDimm>full buffer Dimm,not for desktop
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/hicookie-ke3/w3.jpg
MrGarrison
06-12-2006, 01:50 AM
I wouldn't mind that...
Any other reasons?
hicookie
06-12-2006, 01:52 AM
I wouldn't mind that...
Any other reasons?
conroe is good at overclocking and more cheap.;)
Movieman
06-12-2006, 01:56 AM
Outside of the FBDimm issue, is the boards..woodcrest is for a dual system and the boards are usually not as OC friendly..
Now for server or a dedicated cruncher, it looks excellent..as long as you are willing to spend the better part of $3000.00 for a top board, the top woodcrests and a gig of FB Ram..
MrGarrison
06-12-2006, 02:06 AM
Won't there be any consumer level boards? ($200-$300)?
What will 2GB's of FB-DIMM modules cost?
hicookie
06-12-2006, 02:11 AM
Won't there be any consumer level boards? ($200-$300)?
What will 2GB's of FB-DIMM modules cost?
afraid to say sorry:nono: u won't like the price:nono:
Movieman
06-12-2006, 02:11 AM
Best price I know of so far for a basement board is $400.00...I'm looking at one thats $579.95
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon1333/5000X/X7DAE.cfm
MrGarrison
06-12-2006, 06:40 AM
what about the memory modules?
SoulGG
06-12-2006, 10:22 AM
what about the memory modules?
lol, The 4 modules I bought I got them wholesale 2GBx4 667mhz FB-Dimm and the price was well over 1,000USD Single 1gb FBDIMM modules at 533 with run you in the 150-170dollar area.
SoulGG
06-12-2006, 10:24 AM
WoodCrest?
First thing,u must buy "FB-Dimm" not unbuffer ddr2
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j306/hicookie-ke3/w1.jpg
Pricing available on any of iwills boards yet? I was looking at them too
BitpowerPM
06-12-2006, 10:46 AM
The Iwill DPK66 (non SCSI) costs around 450 € in Europe.
Other boards from Tyan starts @ ~ 320 €
I want to buy an Iwill DPK66 + 2x Xeon 5120 (1,87 GHz) + 2 Gig DDR2-667 FB-DIMM, too.
Say hello to pinmod from FSB1066 to FSB1333 (2,33 GHz final CPU clock) :) ;)
mfg Simon
Serra
07-07-2006, 08:29 AM
5120 pinmod?! (yes, a question mark and an exclamation mark).
I was not aware of any pinmods out for the new Xeons yet... and after a quick XS and google search I havn't found anything about it (too many results for 604 socket Xeons...). Where can I find out more about this pinmod? Any websites or links would be appreciated.
Along the same lines... does anyone know of a retailer where I can actually get a 5120 yet? I know they have been released already, but all I can find is 5160's and a 5130 with an unknown ETA.
Serra
freecableguy
07-07-2006, 08:59 AM
1) overclocking support for Woodcrest compatable boards will be very limited and will not ever be as good as that for Conroe. this is simply a market segment demand issue.
2) FB-DIMMs = $ ouch $ (plus a lot of extra heat/wattage). although we will eventually see Woodcrest boards with the buffer chips on the MB so the need for FB-DIMMs will be decreased to the need for DDR2 ECC memory (still not cheap).
3) two CPUs is usually more difficult to overclock than 1 CPU (we may see single LGA771 socket board for low-end servers/workstations make it to market though), couple that with FB-DIMMs and/or ECC memory and you have an effective barrier to raising FSB. ;)
4) i'm sure you can think of more :)
-FCG
freecableguy
07-07-2006, 09:16 AM
LOL... I would like to know where you've heard this. This was discussed but NEVER made it to any type of hardware. There simply isn't enough real estate on a board to allow for this... the extra traces alone wouldn't fit in a board let alone the 8 to 16 ~1 inch sq. AMBs that would need to be direct attached to the board. Just not gonna happen.
it's already been done and showcased. a good friend saw it running in-person at a recent conference. and who said anything about 8-16 chips? you don't think that one or two could handle all DIMMs? wake up. the only reason each stick has a buffer chip is BECAUSE each stick is buffered. you may not want to be so quick to shoot down something you can only speculate about. although i do get personal satisfaction whenever you put your foot in your mouth. :) thanks.
-FCG
freecableguy
07-07-2006, 09:52 AM
If you knew the way the AMBs worked.. then no, you can't have just 1 or 2 chips for all DIMMs unless that one chip "encased" multiple FBDIMMs. Believe me... we've looked at MANY different options for FBDIMMs, even this one and it, like all the others were tossed. This "miracle" AMB isn't a Intel design that's for sure and there is only 1 other AMD vendor and I haven't heard of any design like this nor have I heard of an ODM or OEM implementing this on their platform.
Who said anything about it being an Intel design?
redpriest
07-07-2006, 12:04 PM
The FBDIMMs that are out now are too expensive and not high enough frequency to compare to the commodity DDR2 you will be able to plug into Conroe.
What about speed, though? I mean, how would a similarly clocked single Woodcrest compare to a Conroe? And how do you think a dual Woodcrest will compare to a Kentsfield?