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ReD.SkY
06-10-2006, 08:12 PM
i know the EK's barbs are THE best, but is there a condsiderably cheaper alternative?

it would cost me like $11.38 shipped for 2 barbs. wich is a great deal considering it is shipped from another country.

I can get some DD high flow's from Performance-PCs, but they are $10 shipped.

Is there a cheaper alternative to these?

i need 1/2in and G1/4 thread


Thanks

or maybe if someone is ordering something, they could add in a few barbs, and ship them to me for like $1.50, becuase i really dont need to buy anything else except barbs. I would pay for them offcourse

Ominous Gamer
06-10-2006, 08:20 PM
i know the EK's barbs are THE best, but is there a condsiderably cheaper alternative?

it would cost me like $11.38 shipped for 2 barbs. wich is a great deal considering it is shipped from another country.

I can get some DD high flow's from Performance-PCs, but they are $10 shipped.

Is there a cheaper alternative to these?

i need 1/2in and G1/4 thread


Thanks

or maybe if someone is ordering something, they could add in a few barbs, and ship them to me for like $1.50, becuase i really dont need to buy anything else except barbs. I would pay for them offcourse

Can't you just go to your local plumbing or home improvement store?
Home Depot has them for under $4
www.homedepot.com
search for item number 100788

sdkevin
06-10-2006, 08:24 PM
I like those barbs from Eddy_EK too, I don't like fat lips barbs from DD, it's very hard to put 7/16" ID tubing on

Bloody_Sorcerer
06-10-2006, 08:50 PM
Can't you just go to your local plumbing or home improvement store?
Home Depot has them for under $4
www.homedepot.com
search for item number 100788
those aren't G1/4 thread, which is very hard to find in the USA.

ReD.SkY
06-10-2006, 08:50 PM
Can't you just go to your local plumbing or home improvement store?
Home Depot has them for under $4
www.homedepot.com
search for item number 100788

are those G1/4 ?

Bloody_Sorcerer
06-10-2006, 08:53 PM
no, they're MIP 1/2

sdkevin
06-10-2006, 09:04 PM
you might want to PM nik. to see if he has some spare barbs left from Eddy_EK since he has bunch of those barbs for his res. Pink.SKy

creidiki
06-11-2006, 02:51 AM
I think D-Tek stocks G1/4 barbs.

nop
06-11-2006, 03:45 AM
Eddy's barbs is the best IMO. I've DD G1/4 high flow and it's PITA when using with 7/16ID.

Eddy's barbs fit 7/16ID perfectly,easy to fit and take the tube off. I've used Eddy's barbs on my dual DDC (18w) Radiical Delrin tops.

epion2985
06-11-2006, 03:53 AM
Eddy's barbs is the best IMO.

Link to the store?

boatasiaus
06-11-2006, 04:29 AM
EK Waterblocks (http://ekwaterblocks.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=41)

SiGfever
06-11-2006, 05:29 AM
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=163

nealh
06-11-2006, 05:55 AM
http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=163


$1.99/barb plus $8.58 shipping...jeez these could be thrown in first classs mailer


oh well..are these the same as an EK barbs and will the fit on a storm rev2....

maybe Redsky can get together a group buy to decrease shipping for those who need

creidiki
06-11-2006, 06:02 AM
are these the same as an EK barbs and will the fit on a storm rev2....
No, and NO!!!!!

These G1/4 threaded barbs, if you put them on a Storm (1/4NPT) you will WRECK THE BLOCK.

nealh
06-11-2006, 06:05 AM
Hmm..if the EK barbs fit on a storm rev2 then the would install on a MCW60?

I really like the metal barbs better than plastic one from swiftech..maybe I should replace all the barbs..so I would need for pump and 2blocks and 2 extra..8

can anyone confirm these work on Storm rev2 and MCW60

RedSky..I maybe interested in buying with you and splitting shipping

nealh
06-11-2006, 06:06 AM
OK..creidiki..does EK sells a different barb that will fit on a storm..when I looked they only had 2 fittings

I was stupid ..again

creidiki
06-11-2006, 06:09 AM
Nope, youll need to look locally for 1/4NPT threads, we just dont have those in the EU/UK.

nealh
06-11-2006, 06:18 AM
I started searching...

sdkevin
06-11-2006, 08:30 AM
isn't Storm Block using same threaded like ThermoChill? I have Storm G5 and some extra nickle plated barbs will fit Storm G5 and ThermoChill Radiators

MetalZone
06-11-2006, 11:52 PM
No, and NO!!!!!

These G1/4 threaded barbs, if you put them on a Storm (1/4NPT) you will WRECK THE BLOCK.

NO! Don't ever put NPT threads on the Storm.
The storm is 1/4" NPSM.
NPT has taper, NPSM doesnt.
G1/4" will fit on the storm, provided the thread length is not too long. I tried it with the G1/4" DD Perfect Seal barbs.

qwerty69
06-12-2006, 12:07 AM
Just wondering, are the 3/8" barbs from EK any good?

ReD.SkY
06-12-2006, 12:16 AM
they are same as the 1/2, but 3/8 same thing different size

what is the thread on the MCRES Micro, and the MP-05?

btw, a group buy would be good.

creidiki
06-12-2006, 12:20 AM
keeping in mind the eddy barbs are only of any use to you in the usa if you have:

1) a european block.
2) a ddc w. alphacool plexi-top.
3) one of the newer maze 4s.

ReD.SkY
06-12-2006, 12:46 AM
1. Then why does Dangerden use them?
2. In my future :D
3. They work on Black Ice Rads too :P

creidiki
06-12-2006, 12:59 AM
1) i dont know, they went from really good barbs (9/16 UNF HighFlow) to really :banana::banana::banana::banana: barbs (G1/4 PerfectSeal with high walls and really small ID)
3) BIGT only afaik

ReD.SkY
06-12-2006, 01:00 AM
The BIP3 i have has the DD "brickwall" (perfect seal) barbs, so it IS G1/4

ReD.SkY
06-12-2006, 01:49 PM
i want barbs... so... how's this gonna work out (i dont really want to be the one who buys them)

anyone with me?

ReD.SkY
06-13-2006, 12:16 PM
well, it looks like no one is interested.

Petra
06-13-2006, 01:15 PM
1) i dont know, they went from really good barbs (9/16 UNF HighFlow) to really :banana::banana::banana::banana: barbs (G1/4 PerfectSeal with high walls and really small ID)
3) BIGT only afaik
Actually, all of the HW Labs radiators that have been coming outta DangerDen lately include the G1/4 Perfect Seal barbs. The first batch (several months ago) seemed rather poorly tapped but, since then, they have gotten better.

ReD.SkY
06-13-2006, 01:19 PM
Actually, all of the HW Labs radiators that have been coming outta DangerDen lately include the G1/4 Perfect Seal barbs. The first batch (several months ago) seemed rather poorly tapped but, since then, they have gotten better.

i said that like 8 posts ago :)

but i guess i will just squeeze 2 barbs out of Nik, and see what happens

javascripterror
06-13-2006, 03:24 PM
Okay.........now that I am confuzzled...............

Replacement barbs (BEtter then that DD stock barbs) for the maze 4
and
Different barbs for this block?

Storm block 3/8 BSP for 1/2" tubing.
Maze 4 1/4 BSP for 1/2" tubing.
BIP radiator 1/4BSP for 1/2" tubing.

ReD.SkY
06-13-2006, 03:33 PM
Storm block 3/8 BSP for 1/2" tubing.
Maze 4 1/4 BSP for 1/2" tubing.
BIP radiator 1/4BSP for 1/2" tubing.

G1/4 for BIP and Maze4

G1/4 will be easier to look for as it is the more common name :)

ReD.SkY
06-13-2006, 04:08 PM
the EKwaterblocks.com barb 1/2 size will be great for the BIP and Maze4

BWR
06-14-2006, 12:43 PM
Is there an obvious advantage when using an EK barb vs. a normal plastic/stock barb?

yngndrw
06-14-2006, 01:59 PM
Storm block 3/8 BSP for 1/2" tubing.
I thought the Storm used 1/4NPT barbs ?

nikhsub1
06-14-2006, 02:15 PM
I thought the Storm used 1/4NPT barbs ?The Storms that CATHAR built used 3/8BSPP or G3/8" The Swiftech Storms use 1/4" NPSM. NPT is dead for watercooling. It is tapered and breaks too many things.

ReD.SkY
06-14-2006, 03:23 PM
Is there an obvious advantage when using an EK barb vs. a normal plastic/stock barb?

no... but its mainly for bragging and the very last bit of extra flow in your loop

plus the look sick :)

Bloody_Sorcerer
06-14-2006, 04:38 PM
and crappy plastic barbs are breakable (the ones on my Swifty storm feel flimsy as all hell - any source for good 1/4 NPSM barbs anywhere yet?) but nice solid metal ones... well, they're metal, so they're strong and sexxay :)

ReD.SkY
06-14-2006, 07:40 PM
lol ok... ekwaterblocks.com

XS Janus
06-15-2006, 07:11 AM
Can someone what is the inner diameter of the eddy's barbs??
I know they are for 1/2" ID tubing (12mm), but what is the inner inlet dia?

Also, why are the considered better than other barbs/fittings, does he makes them or what:confused:
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Eddy_EK
06-15-2006, 08:09 AM
Can someone what is the inner diameter of the eddy's barbs??
I know they are for 1/2" ID tubing (12mm), but what is the inner inlet dia?

Also, why are the considered better than other barbs/fittings, does he makes them or what:confused:
The inner diameter of 1/2" barb is exactly 10mm, at 3/8" barb is 8mm.

XS Janus
06-15-2006, 09:25 AM
Thanks for the quick reply Eddy.

How do you take "international" orders? I live in Croatia and would like to know more about the procedure and shipping prices.
-Ne mo?e biti previ?e- :D
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Eddy_EK
06-15-2006, 11:28 AM
Thanks for the quick reply Eddy.

How do you take "international" orders? I live in Croatia and would like to know more about the procedure and shipping prices.
-Ne može biti previše- :D
He He! Pozdrav sosed!
The shipping is the same as for USA... interesting a? Because it is out of EU.
You can place an order and before you finally confirm the order the shipping prices will be shown. Send me an e-mail for more informations.

ReD.SkY
06-15-2006, 04:39 PM
Eddy, how do you manage to get so cheap shipping to the US...

shipping one 50Z pump to the UK cost $70 with ups and $18 with USPS

Eddy_EK
06-15-2006, 11:42 PM
I ship vis Slovenian national post service.
The shipping does not have tracking service.
No packet has been lost yet.

If I wanted to have tracking number, the shipping would be much higher.

ReD.SkY
06-15-2006, 11:51 PM
awesome :)

btw Eddy, you can expect an Order from me for a Full cover GPU block for my next vid card. You really do an awesome job. And creidiki is so right, they are waterblock pr0n :p:

XS Janus
06-16-2006, 03:26 AM
Thanks Eddy, ;)
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ReD.SkY
06-16-2006, 06:23 PM
Well, i got my EK barbs from nik, and ... they make me want to change out all of my other barbs in my loop :woot:

i can post a high res pic when i get home ;)

XS Janus
06-17-2006, 06:09 AM
Well, i got my EK barbs from nik, and ... they make me want to change out all of my other barbs in my loop :woot:

i can post a high res pic when i get home ;)

Please do and take pics from all the angles and take all the extra mesurments :woot:
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Eddy_EK
06-17-2006, 11:35 AM
Please do and take pics from all the angles and take all the extra mesurments :woot:
Hey!
Here are the measures (see the picture):

ReD.SkY
06-17-2006, 12:45 PM
pr0n fo sho :D

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4738/flowekbarbs9eu.jpg

yngndrw
06-17-2006, 01:09 PM
Lol .. But yes I got mine a few days and I was amazed at the attention to detail. I've never seen barbs which have got the O-Ring inset before.

XS Janus
06-18-2006, 10:01 AM
exactly what i wanted to see!!
Thanx Eddy and all the others!!
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warriorpoet
06-18-2006, 02:04 PM
awesome :)

btw Eddy, you can expect an Order from me for a Full cover GPU block for my next vid card. You really do an awesome job. And creidiki is so right, they are waterblock pr0n :p:
count me in on the pr0n.

I open my case daily to drool on it.

yngndrw
06-18-2006, 02:06 PM
I open my case daily to drool on it.
Now THAT is water cooling. :toast:

ReD.SkY
06-18-2006, 02:28 PM
Saliva cooling

(i hope phelan1777 doesnt see this :D)

nealh
06-18-2006, 04:04 PM
:slapass: :slap: :stick:

You think I am blind BOY you know where that post was supposed to go!:nono:


would the barbs that are in the pic posted above work on the Swiftech Storm Rev2?

I asked this earlier in post #14...this will not fit a storm rev 2..thread is wrong

ReD.SkY
06-18-2006, 04:53 PM
I asked this earlier in post #14...this will not fit a storm rev 2..thread is wrong

wrong


Fittings compatibility

Connector Thread Compatibility for the Storm Waterblock

1/ NPSM and NPT Compared

NPT connectors are not recommended in the Storm waterblock for the following reasons:

Dimensionally the difference between NPT and NPSM is the lack of taper in NPSM; which means that the seal resulting from the insertion of a NPT male into a NPSM female will make contact only at the largest portion of the NPT thread*. Yes, a low pressure seal can be made - but it will have little strength for bending loads from the tubing and will not be reliable.

The threads in the Storm waterblock are ¼”NPSM, the dimensions of which can be seen HERE, and those for NPT threads HERE

A comparison of the features of tapered pipe joints and straight thread adaptors, NPSM, [by the SSP Fittings Corp.] can be seen HERE

*“The basic pitch diameter for both the external and internal straight pipe threads is equal to the pitch diameter of the American National Standard Taper Pipe Thread at the gaging notch, which is the same as at the large end of the internal taper pipe thread.“ Robert James Sales, Inc.

2/ NPSM and G ¼ Compared

G ¼, or BSPP, fittings will fit, but may not seal; each must be checked prior to assuming that it will not leak just because they fit together.

Both NPSM and G ¼ (BSPP) are parallel thread and nominally the same size, the principal difference being 18 threads per inch for NPSM and 19 threads per inch for G ¼ (BSPP). Since most male end G ¼ fittings have a short thread length they can generally be engaged in the NPSM threads without difficulty.

The joint seal is effected with an o-ring which for the NPSM barb is in a groove on the waterblock top and compressed by the flange nut barb.
G ¼ fittings have the o-ring captured in a groove under the fitting nut.

G ¼ fittings will seal so long as there is a straight portion under the nut flats sufficient to bring the G ¼ fitting’s o-ring into contact with the bottom of the o-ring groove, a depth of 0.080”.

MaxxxRacer
06-18-2006, 05:09 PM
No, and NO!!!!!

These G1/4 threaded barbs, if you put them on a Storm (1/4NPT) you will WRECK THE BLOCK.

Storm is 1/4" NPSM.. NOT NPT.

and Bruce over at cooltechnica is in the process of obtaining some kickass G1/4 barbs in the same style as his 3/8"G ones which are the best barbs IMO. short, they hold the tubing well, have a good ID and are perfect for 7/16" ID tubing.

AND if anyone cares for the .5mm, the barbs Bruce gets (he gets them custom made IIRC) have a slightly larger ID than the EK barbs. And dont any of you call me an EK hater.. Just informing you guys of whats out there.

ReD.SkY
06-18-2006, 05:28 PM
Storm is 1/4" NPSM.. NOT NPT.

and Bruce over at cooltechnica is in the process of obtaining some kickass G1/4 barbs in the same style as his 3/8"G ones which are the best barbs IMO. short, they hold the tubing well, have a good ID and are perfect for 7/16" ID tubing.

AND if anyone cares for the .5mm, the barbs Bruce gets (he gets them custom made IIRC) have a slightly larger ID than the EK barbs. And dont any of you call me an EK hater.. Just informing you guys of whats out there.

i have some 1/2OD 9/16UNF (or w/e is on the MP-05) and i dont like them very much. they are great with 7/16 ID masterkleer... but they leak like niagra falls if you dont have a wormdrive on max clamping power with 1/2ID clearflex

MaxxxRacer
06-18-2006, 07:22 PM
i have some 1/2OD 9/16UNF (or w/e is on the MP-05) and i dont like them very much. they are great with 7/16 ID masterkleer... but they leak like niagra falls if you dont have a wormdrive on max clamping power with 1/2ID clearflex

very true.. and that is why we should all switch to 7/16" Id tubing.. :D

ReD.SkY
06-18-2006, 07:44 PM
or we need to nag them to make 5/8 barbs :D

phelan1777
06-18-2006, 07:45 PM
befroe we know ir, we will be looking at 1ich diameter :-P

ReD.SkY
06-18-2006, 07:49 PM
befroe we know ir, we will be looking at 1ich diameter :-P

boo-friggin-yah

nealh
06-19-2006, 08:13 AM
Ok...I was wrong on the G 1/4 barbs but as I read above this means you must have a O ring to seal the groove..
so the EK G 1/4 barbs will work?

I have cooltechnica 3/8 barbs on my PA160 rad
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=AQX-HIFLO-G38-12&Category_Code=Barb_Fitting
..very easy to install..used teflon tape and easy to get tubing on them as well, seal well with warm drive....the have a O ring as I recall on them

I hope he make G 1/4 barbs with O ring...I will be buying to replace my barbs.....

phelan1777
06-19-2006, 09:23 AM
boo-friggin-yah

sometimes Red you don't make sense, almost as bad as me.

JoeBar
06-19-2006, 01:18 PM
Lol .. But yes I got mine a few days and I was amazed at the attention to detail. I've never seen barbs which have got the O-Ring inset before.
Very nice indeed! :)

XS Janus
06-20-2006, 12:24 PM
So Eddy makes those barbs himself or what :confused:
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Eddy_EK
06-20-2006, 01:13 PM
Yes of course, I have machine and a cutting knife.
I make the best ones at night when everybody is asleep. :banana:

PS: A local company makes them by my design :toast:

yngndrw
06-20-2006, 01:15 PM
Eddy: Any chance of you making some with G3/8" threads for PA rads ? :toast:

Oh and some with 1/4" NPSM threads. ;)

ReD.SkY
06-20-2006, 01:24 PM
G1/4 and 1/4NPSM are compatible... but the O-Rings are different

nikhsub1
06-20-2006, 02:20 PM
G1/4 and 1/4NPSM are compatible... but the O-Rings are different
No they aren't, dont assume that at all. I have some 1/4" NPSM Storm barbs and guess what? THEY WILL NOT WORK IN MY RESERVOIR THAT IS G1/4" THREAD.

ReD.SkY
06-20-2006, 02:22 PM
oh really? but G1/4 work in NPSM, right?

JasonDTM
06-20-2006, 02:28 PM
Hey Nik... Is there anyway you could track down those 1/4 NPSM thread 5/8" barbs? I may be looking to purchase some, assuming they can be found.

nikhsub1
06-20-2006, 03:14 PM
oh really? but G1/4 work in NPSM, right?
Depends. Most G1/4" barbs are SHORT on the thread side... Eddy's barbs have what, 1/2" long of threaded area??? That will work in NPSM 1/4". The difference is that one is 18 threads per inch (NPSM) and the other is 19 threads per inch G1/4"). You try to put a long threaded barb in and it wont work.

nealh
06-20-2006, 04:22 PM
Depends. Most G1/4" barbs are SHORT on the thread side... Eddy's barbs have what, 1/2" long of threaded area??? That will work in NPSM 1/4". The difference is that one is 18 threads per inch (NPSM) and the other is 19 threads per inch G1/4"). You try to put a long threaded barb in and it wont work.

so does this mean EK barbs will fit a Storm rev 2 and MCW 60 block?

ReD.SkY
06-20-2006, 04:27 PM
MCW60 yes... storm no

nealh
06-20-2006, 06:31 PM
MCW60 yes... storm no

crap..I would love to dump those plastic barbs biggest :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: getting tubing off and on

ReD.SkY
06-20-2006, 07:00 PM
yah i know the feeling as i have plastic ones on my res :\

Bloody_Sorcerer
06-20-2006, 08:37 PM
*pokes eddy*
eddy, how about whipping up some 1/4 NPSM barbs for us? :)

ReD.SkY
06-20-2006, 09:59 PM
*pokes eddy*
eddy, how about whipping up some 1/4 NPSM barbs for us? :)

does anyone at all sell metal NPSM ?

XS Janus
06-21-2006, 03:25 AM
LOL, its out of the bag now Eddy, you should have just lied:p:
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yngndrw
06-21-2006, 06:38 AM
eddy, how about whipping up some 1/4 NPSM barbs for us? :)
And some G3/8". :stick:

ReD.SkY
06-21-2006, 07:56 PM
does anyone at all sell metal NPSM barbs ?

do they?

Eddy_EK
06-22-2006, 12:56 AM
Hey you guys...
I am away for just one ady and you give me lots of reading ;)

I have to make an order for at least 500 pieces per model to make any kind of thread you like :toast:

ReD.SkY
06-22-2006, 01:02 AM
yes plz... get some storm barbs :)

Radical_53
06-22-2006, 01:15 AM
@eddy: Is there any way you could get the 1/2" barbs to maybe 11mm ID?

I've been using them over the last weeks, work perfectly with 7/16" ID tubing, but are very "fragile" to use with 1/2" ID tubing, as most of the tubing here seems to be quite a bit too large.
Strangely, the same tubing seels perfectly with the 1/2" barbs on my PA (barbs came with the Thermo directly). Maybe some slightly larger ID and OD on the barbs would be a nice thing to have so...

ReD.SkY
06-22-2006, 01:27 AM
@eddy: Is there any way you could get the 1/2" barbs to maybe 11mm ID?

I've been using them over the last weeks, work perfectly with 7/16" ID tubing, but are very "fragile" to use with 1/2" ID tubing, as most of the tubing here seems to be quite a bit too large.
Strangely, the same tubing seels perfectly with the 1/2" barbs on my PA (barbs came with the Thermo directly). Maybe some slightly larger ID and OD on the barbs would be a nice thing to have so...

yes very true

yngndrw
06-22-2006, 09:48 AM
You mean to say that Eddy's barbs don't work too well with 1/2"ID / 3/4"OD tubing too well ? Damn. :(

phelan1777
06-22-2006, 10:25 AM
What about doing a bulk order from EK for us US folks, so we all would not have to pay individual madd prices?

phelan1777
06-22-2006, 07:52 PM
quick connector (http://www.omega.com/pptst/FTHFC35.html)


interesting, now just wait for Crediki to chime in and see if it gets approval:D

ReD.SkY
06-22-2006, 07:54 PM
quick connector (http://www.omega.com/pptst/FTHFC35.html)

for what?

scwam
06-22-2006, 09:01 PM
Put me in for some (7/16" tubing on all)!!:
Storm Rev 2 barbs
MCW60 GPU block barbs
Swiftech MCR220 Radiator (will probalbly switch soon to Thermochill PA 120.2 and would like to know if your barb can fit both for when I switch over)

Eddy_EK
06-23-2006, 02:46 AM
@eddy: Is there any way you could get the 1/2" barbs to maybe 11mm ID?

I've been using them over the last weeks, work perfectly with 7/16" ID tubing, but are very "fragile" to use with 1/2" ID tubing, as most of the tubing here seems to be quite a bit too large.
Strangely, the same tubing seels perfectly with the 1/2" barbs on my PA (barbs came with the Thermo directly). Maybe some slightly larger ID and OD on the barbs would be a nice thing to have so...

You mean to make larger diameter of fittings for tubing? To make 14mm outer diameter of fittings for tubing? Something like that?

nealh
06-23-2006, 03:16 AM
Put me in for some (7/16" tubing on all)!!:
Storm Rev 2 barbs
MCW60 GPU block barbs
Swiftech MCR220 Radiator (will probalbly switch soon to Thermochill PA 120.2 and would like to know if your barb can fit both for when I switch over)

me too

Radical_53
06-23-2006, 06:14 AM
@eddy: Yes, something like that. I think an added millimeter to both outer and inner diameter would make them even better.

Like right now, with the smaller outer diameter, 7/16" tubing goes on pretty well, but also goes off too easy (as I'm using a DDC+ dual, there's some pressure on the loop). The 1/2" Thermochill barbs yet keep the tubing were it should be.
The length of your fittings is just perfect, but the bigger diameter might help to keep the tubing on.
Also, when using regular 1/2" ID tubing, it doesn't seal at all without using a zip tie or worm clamp, whereas the Thermochill barbs do even seal that without any "little helpers" quite good.

Edit: Just saw that... about the ID: If I took the right measurement there, your barbs do have the smallest ID within the thread. When modifying our small barbs, the rule of thumb was to leave a wall of ~0.3mm to maintain stability. I'm not sure if I remember the numbers right, but at leas .5mm should be possible to gain :D

yngndrw
06-23-2006, 11:03 AM
Also, when using regular 1/2" ID tubing, it doesn't seal at all without using a zip tie or worm clamp,
Oh crap ... :c Worm drive clamps on them will seal with no problems what so ever, right ?? :stick:

Radical_53
06-23-2006, 11:18 AM
Well, not really...

For me to be considered "right", the worm clamp is only there to "keep" the tubing in place. But it should be so far sealed without it.
So, if the diameter was a little larger, like the Thermochill barbs have it, the tubing would stick to it without the clamp, even when using 1/2".

Also... the tighter the intersection between barb and tubing, the lower the resistance it causes ;) And *that* does matter to me...

yngndrw
06-23-2006, 12:03 PM
I should have stuck to DD Perfect"Brickwall"Seal barbs then ? Miss advised I was. :(

Radical_53
06-23-2006, 12:07 PM
Well, I didn't say the barbs weren't good just like they are now. But, I think the could be *perfect* with just some little adjustments ;)

These barbs do have a great ID, perfect looks, are nicely short but: The OD is a little small ;)
Still to me the best you can buy for money... at least until Eddy changes the design accordingly :D

yngndrw
06-23-2006, 01:44 PM
Hmm, we'll see then. If I get puddles of water on my hardware, random people on the street will pay. >:( Jokin'.

But yea, I hope they will seal well and the tubing won't fall off, I'll be sure to tighten my clamps real tight now.

ReD.SkY
06-23-2006, 03:30 PM
just get the right sized Worm clamps and u will be fine :)

Radical_53
06-24-2006, 01:24 AM
Sure you'd be fine with clamps. But ain't it nice to be fine even without the clamps? So that they're only like a second seal, not the only one?

Like for the compression fittings I used before, the tubing stayed on even without tightening down the nut. So that was only for further security, but not the only security there was.
Normally, it shouldn't be such a big thing to increase the OD a bit so that 1/2" tubing stays on them just like that and a really tight seal with 7/16" tubing.

Eddy_EK
06-24-2006, 02:12 AM
Edit: Just saw that... about the ID: If I took the right measurement there, your barbs do have the smallest ID within the thread. When modifying our small barbs, the rule of thumb was to leave a wall of ~0.3mm to maintain stability. I'm not sure if I remember the numbers right, but at leas .5mm should be possible to gain :D

Yes, the problem is that the weakest point is at thread and O-ring.
So I think that nothing more can be achieved.

It is still the largest ID (10mm) of all G1/4 threaded fittings.;)

Radical_53
06-25-2006, 03:42 AM
I know it's still the largest :)

What do you think about the bigger OD? I've tried your barbs with 1/2" Masterkleer and Clearflex plus 7/16" Masterkleer and Tygon so far... as I said, could be a bit tighter :D

Eddy_EK
06-25-2006, 05:07 AM
I know it's still the largest :)

What do you think about the bigger OD? I've tried your barbs with 1/2" Masterkleer and Clearflex plus 7/16" Masterkleer and Tygon so far... as I said, could be a bit tighter :D

I will consider that on next order. Very soon!

Radical_53
06-26-2006, 01:20 AM
Great! I just took measurement on the Thermochill G 3/8" barb, their OD is ~14.15-14.2mm. So adding one mm to your barb would perfectly suit the task!

kman79
07-06-2006, 08:47 PM
I'll be building my first watercooled system soon. I would like to use the Swiftech Storm Rev 2. cpu block, assuming that it would fit on the new Conroe CPU.

If Eddy_EK decides to get some barbs made to ¼”NPSM to fit the storm blocks, I would purchase a few.

I'll keep a check on this thread to see if eddy makes that special run of fittings.

Fstfrddy
07-06-2006, 10:12 PM
I make these from a 3" brass 1/4 npt pipe nipple $4.50 and some work.
http://www.rigshowcase.com/img/60DjEY4/3851

scwam
07-09-2006, 03:24 PM
Keep me your order list for Storm Rev 2 metal barbs for 1/2" size and Thermochill Pa120.2 Metal barbs 1/2". Please contact me if you ever get such barbs.

ReD.SkY
07-09-2006, 03:27 PM
the EK G1/4 rev2 (larger o-ring and OD) will work on the storm waterblock!!

Radical_53
07-10-2006, 12:11 AM
Do you have any info from Eddy when he's going to stock them? Or are they in the shop right now already?
I do have some on the way, just curious if they'll fit.

nealh
07-10-2006, 03:31 AM
I asked Eddy..he believes the newer G 1/4 should fit fine with Storm rev2 using heis new O ring but he did not say he tested it with a storm....but he is using as I understand a thicker O-riing

Radical_53
07-10-2006, 03:34 AM
Great. Bigger o-ring is good to hear, we might not need the teflon tape then anymore.
What happens to a Storm if I'd just thread in a fitting like this? Would it crack?