Dont touch ASUS MB for OC.They suck.

[ost_2005]

ASUS intel MotherBoard ,

vDroop is too much.

core volt will significantly lower when your CPUs load.

Dual Core in P5WD2-E P and P5WDG2 WS will lost 0.15v or so when full load.

The Fig. on Intel 975x BX bad-axe is 0.01-0.02v.

So Intel 975x bx-axe is much better than ASUS flagship I975x on OC`s ability.

[grimREEFER]

that is true, but it does handle high fsb's with ease
droop isnt taht bad on my board though

[ost_2005]

that is true, but it does handle high fsb's with ease
droop isnt taht bad on my board though
Which ASUS MB you have?

And how much does the MB droop?Is that 0.15v or so?

[SMa]

I have the Asus P5WD2 Premium
One of the greatest boards I ever worked with.

If I set the vcore on auto it won't droop and still clock quite high.
Also there are enough mods you can do to fix this problem.

[ost_2005]

I have the Asus P5WD2 Premium
One of the greatest boards I ever worked with.

If I set the vcore on auto it won't droop and still clock quite high.
Also there are enough mods you can do to fix this problem.
Impossible.

I did set vcore on auto but it droop a lot too.

Yes, you can do Droop mod to fix it.

[Titinho]

maby its your PSU?? what model/make do you have?

[Ad1tya]

Even I do have the P5LD2, and the vDroop is hardly anything.

Also, a droop can be fixed by modding, so its really not an issue. Its just important as to how the Board will handle High, and i mean Really high, FSB's.

[ost_2005]

maby its your PSU?? what model/make do you have?
The same PSU on both MBs.

[ost_2005]

Even I do have the P5LD2, and the vDroop is hardly anything.

Also, a droop can be fixed by modding, so its really not an issue. Its just important as to how the Board will handle High, and i mean Really high, FSB's.

vDroop is too much on my ASUS P5WD2 series and 8-phase P5WDG2 WS.

And I dont wanna mod because this kind of mod is risking.

[PcCI2iminal]

You will agree with me.

975x sucks.what s the next?
Asus sucks?


:nono:

............

P5WDG2-WS air Celly @　5ghz 24/7
1.35v on bios
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6383/5ghzp5wdg28mpi6wa.jpg

1.33v on load
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9056/5ghzp5wdg28mpidrop8xe.jpg

[Titinho]

The same PSU on both MBs.

but whant model?? maby your PSU got a realy bad 12V Rail

[PcCI2iminal]

but whant model?? maby your PSU got a realy bad 12V Rail


i use Antec 550w 2x12v @ 36A ,Enermax 600 2x12v @ 38A,Aopen 560w 1x12v @ 28A,Zippy Gaming and Type R (both 600w) 1x12v @ 46A

and no problem to OC, i just need a good cooling

[Titinho]

i use Antec 550w 2x12v @ 36A ,Enermax 600 2x12v @ 38A,Aopen 560w 1x12v @ 28A,Zippy Gaming and Type R (both 600w) 1x12v @ 46A

and no problem to OC, i just need a good cooling

That reply was for ost_2005 :)

NICE OC BTW :D :woot:

[PcCI2iminal]

That reply was for ost_2005 :)



i konw
;)

we just need a good PSU for a safe OC and mod for Xtreme

Asus rocks

[uOpt]

If you think the voltage drop is bad (which I didn't observe, BTW, but the regulation is way off anyway), then you obviously didn't have to deal with their RMA service yet.

[ost_2005]

............

P5WDG2-WS air Celly @　5ghz 24/7
1.35v on bios

Single core is not a big deal.

Super PI is not good to test stability.

And Bios is half load,anyway.

I am talking about Dual Core and Dual SP2004.

[ost_2005]

but whant model?? maby your PSU got a realy bad 12V Rail
SevenTeam 550EAG

Dual +12v

Recommended by ASUS.

[Mesce]

I have the asus p5wd2-p and its the best motherboard I have ever used to overclock with. The only problem is the switch off on the motherboard when you restart but that is it everything else is pucker.

[PcCI2iminal]

Single core is not a big deal.

Super PI is not good to test stability.

And Bios is half load,anyway.

I am talking about Dual Core and Dual SP2004.


960D is enough? (rev C1 3.6ghz @ 130w TDP)

http://img278.imageshack.us/img278/3345/2pi32mb4500ok8wz.jpg

[ost_2005]

960D is enough? (rev C1 3.6ghz @ 130w TDP)


I am talking about vDroop(no mod).

Certainly.

After vDroop mod, ASUS MB can be a lot better than before.

[PcCI2iminal]

I am talking about vDroop(no mod).

Certainly.

After vDroop mod, ASUS MB can be a lot better than before.


its a fresh P5WD2-E without any mods

ask for anyone about Intel MB for safe and top OC ,

P5W series will be the answer

[Cooper]

Isn`t Vdroop has it`s place on all Intel chipset based mobos, not only Asus ?

[ost_2005]

its a fresh P5WD2-E without any mods

ask for anyone about Intel MB for safe and top OC ,

P5W series will be the answer
But I didnt know how much it droops!

Your picture didnt show me this.

Full load and idle ,how much will Core volt change on Dual Core platform?

I believed before P5W series was the answer,as most of people did.

But Compared with Intel 975x BX bad-axe, P5W series are not good at all.

vDroop is too much on P5W series.

[CrimeDog]

there's a reason the p5w are the favorites (before conroe stuff comes out). yes, they droop like all asus boards do. it's not as disasterous as you seem to think. it does droop but it stays stable at the voltage that it droops to on load.

if you think an intel board is the best for overclocking then you obviously think overclocking is something different from what we do.

hike up your skirt and do the vdroop mod.

[boshuter]

But I didnt know how much it droops!

Your picture didnt show me this.

Full load and idle ,how much will Core volt change on Dual Core platform?

I believed before P5W series was the answer,as most of people did.

But Compared with Intel 975x BX bad-axe, P5W series are not good at all.

vDroop is too much on P5W series.

At least he had some pics... you come in here with a post like this with absolutely nothing to back it up and expect people to take you seriously :rolleyes: I hope you are happy with your Intel board... I'll stick with my P5W's until someone with a little crediblity shows me that there is something better ;)

[ost_2005]

there's a reason the p5w are the favorites (before conroe stuff comes out). yes, they droop like all asus boards do. it's not as disasterous as you seem to think. it does droop but it stays stable at the voltage that it droops to on load.

if you think an intel board is the best for overclocking then you obviously think overclocking is something different from what we do.

hike up your skirt and do the vdroop mod.
Droop too much so that I can hit a higher Clock.

Thats the problem.

I think that intel board is the best for overclocking now

but I am still looking for better one (more BIOS OverClock Options and less Drop)

[ost_2005]

At least he had some pics... you come in here with a post like this with absolutely nothing to back it up and expect people to take you seriously :rolleyes: I hope you are happy with your Intel board... I'll stick with my P5W's until someone with a little crediblity shows me that there is something better ;)
You have one of P5W Series ,havent you?

So you can easily know how much it droops!

Trust yourself.

[NicoOCZ]

I'm on Asus P5WD2-E Premium too, and I notice rather high droops myself.
Last night I played a bit with it:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7996/ee9jm.jpg

For the records, Vcore I entered in BIOS was 1.35V. It's jumping between ~1.38 and 1.28 under load. I'm sure PSU is not the problem, I'm on a OCZ Powerstream 600 now. 12V rail is pretty stable at 12.02V (measured with DMM). Anyway, the system is stable *knock on wood* and I'll keep this board until DFI comes up with their i975X and RD600 boards.

[ost_2005]

I'm on Asus P5WD2-E Premium too, and I notice rather high droops myself.
Last night I played a bit with it:

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7996/ee9jm.jpg

For the records, Vcore I entered in BIOS was 1.35V. It's jumping between ~1.38 and 1.28 under load. I'm sure PSU is not the problem, I'm on a OCZ Powerstream 600 now. 12V rail is pretty stable at 12.02V (measured with DMM). Anyway, the system is stable *knock on wood* and I'll keep this board until DFI comes up with their i975X and RD600 boards.
Run 4 sp2004 at one time,and you will get 0.15v or so (droop).

And I strongly believe your CPU will Oc better on Intel 975x or after you mod your P5WD2-EP.

[lutjens]

Asus seems to have learned from their mistakes with the lousy regulators on the P4P800 series of motherboard with their new boards, which sport the 8 phase power supply. I've used the Gigabyte 6 phase power supply boards in the past (i875) and found no droop whatsoever. I think an 8 phase solution is simply in place right now (as it should be) to support highly clocked, power-swilling dual core Netburst chips. The 8 phase power supply will simply serve to ensure iron-clad regulation on the power efficient Conroe, which should help those >4.0 GHz runs...;)

[NicoOCZ]

Run 4 sp2004 at one time,and you will get 0.15v or so (droop).

And I strongly believe your CPU will Oc better on Intel 975x or after you mod your P5WD2-EP.

You might be right. I'm not saying that the Asus is better than the Intel, I just say that my Asus droops aswell but it's still stable. Believe me, I'm faaaaaaar away from being an Asus fan ;)

Btw, this is not the highest I can reach. It was my first OC attempt with this setup and I believe there's more headroom. 1.35V isn't much, is it?

[K.I.T.T.]

For intel CPUs, Asus rule. Cant beat them :fact:

[ost_2005]

Asus seems to have learned from their mistakes with the lousy regulators on the P4P800 series of motherboard with their new boards, which sport the 8 phase power supply. I've used the Gigabyte 6 phase power supply boards in the past (i875) and found no droop whatsoever. I think an 8 phase solution is simply in place right now (as it should be) to support highly clocked, power-swilling dual core Netburst chips. The 8 phase power supply will simply serve to ensure iron-clad regulation on the power efficient Conroe, which should help those >4.0 GHz runs...;)

P5WDG2 WS that is 8-phase power desigin still droops a lot.

[WeldZilla]

Look I don't think ost_2005 is trying to start a fanboy argument. his statement is true. Asus boards, at least for Intel processors do suffer from a significant amount of V-core droop!! Yes you can mod it right out of them but, the fact remains it is there. I have run many Abit,Asus and Epox boards. I have never seen more droop than on the Asus Boards. With my 540J processor on an Epox 5PDAJ motherboard when the V-core is set to 1.5 volts it idles at 1.495 volts and actually under load will run from 1.5 to 1.515 exceeding it's setting. It alway raises v-core under load. Who knows maybe this is why my 540J when benching 32M pi on a lowly old 865 chipset using standard old DDR-1 memory, in this case G.Skill 4400LE Completely whacks pc's 960 Presler by 2 minutes in the same 32M pi
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v253/WeldZilla/pi.jpg
Now look I also run a P5P800SE with a 950 Presler picking up a P5wd2 for my presler. right now the jury is out on the Conroe board. So I agree with the Xteme v-droop on asus boards but it does not stop them from Oc'ing like mad! Asus with their resources should just fix this at the production level and be done with it.


WZ

[greenwar]

Vdroop mod can be done very safely and easily if you follow Proth's pencil vdroop mod. I did it on my P5WD2-P and P5LD2 and since then vdroop is gone. I run a P D 930 on the P5WD2 and a Celeron D on the P5LD2.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94659&highlight=ghetto

Try it out.

[death metal]

I've used the -WS and -E Premium and both of my Asus boards have drooped a lot. I forgot how much, but I always encounter droop problem even in early Asus s478 so I just got used to them and just make do by adding more vCore than what is necessary...

I am not saying Asus is bad, I like them a lot, I've used a lot of their boards, and till now, I will be awaiting for their i975 refresh boards and if it still droops, well, i'll just ignore it like I always do and make a work around for it.

[ost_2005]

Vdroop mod can be done very safely and easily if you follow Proth's pencil vdroop mod. I did it on my P5WD2-P and P5LD2 and since then vdroop is gone. I run a P D 930 on the P5WD2 and a Celeron D on the P5LD2.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=94659&highlight=ghetto

Try it out.
Anyway, ASUS that overclock well depend on Mod.

Native ASUS MBs dont overclock well at all because of too much droop.

Asus with their resources should just fix this big problem at the production level and be done with it.

[greenwar]

Anyway, ASUS that overclock well depend on Mod.

Native ASUS MBs dont overclock well at all because of too much droop.

Asus with their resources should just fix this big problem at the production level and be done with it.

I agree with you 100%. Asus please fix your vdroop issue, damn it. :D :slapass:

[ost_2005]

I agree with you 100%. Asus please fix your vdroop issue, damn it. :D :slapass:
If ASUS dont fix this big issue,I wont buy ASUS MB any more.

[phobos]

I don't know if it's true, but I read in a german forum that Intel boards are supposed to lower Vcore under load. So Asus is following the specs by Intel.
But as I said, I just read it in a forum and didn't double-check with the actual specs from Intel.

[FischOderAal]

I don't know if it's true, but I read in a german forum that Intel boards are supposed to lower Vcore under load. So Asus is following the specs by Intel.
But as I said, I just read it in a forum and didn't double-check with the actual specs from Intel.

you're right ;) it actually IS Intel Spec since Northwood Time ;) there was a good german article somewhere in the Forumdeluxx. the idea behind it is, that under load the silicium doesn't need that much voltage to keep its status. so you can drop the vCore a bit.
_BUT_ this is no barrier for overclocking. it's just that most people have a specific vCore how high they go and it's clear that if the vCore drops under load, you won't get that high as if it doesn't drop.

so trifft man sich ^^ wusst gar nit das du in Ahaus wohnst? meine ganze Verwandtschaft wohnt im Kreis Borken und ich hab ein paar gute bekannte in Ahaus!

[boardy]

I have a droop issue aswell, but like all others if there's a problem, fix it. I had my board 1 day before doing the vDroop, vCore, and vMem mods on it.

It's not hard to do the mods really. I'll be giving my BadAxe a shot at the weekend see how much better it can do with my 930.

Boardy

[FischOderAal]

here you go


LOADLINE: "..diese Angaben beziehen sich allerdings nicht auf das Spannungsverhalten unter Systemvolllast. Hier kommt Intels so genannte Loadline zum tragen. Schon seit einer ganzen Generation von Northwood Prozessoren existiert diese Loadline, doch wurde sie kaum bemerkt oder gar großartig erwähnt. Dabei sieht Intels Loadline vor, dass die dem Prozessor zur Verfügung gestellte Spannung unter Volllast absinkt... ...nun mag die Frage aufkommen, wieso Intel es hier unbedenklich sieht, die Prozessorspannung unter Last zurück zu fahren. Dies ist physikalisch bedingt. Fließt ein großer Strom durch den Prozessor, erwärmt sich dieser und er wird leitfähiger, lässt somit demnach bei konstant anliegender Spannung noch mehr Strom fließen. Intel hat die minimal benötigte Kernspannung für einen stabilen Betrieb genau vorgegeben, die Loadline zeigt dabei das Toleranzfenster für die Kernspannung auf..."

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2005/leistungsmessung_intel/index2.php

so, stop flaming about something that IS Intel Spec... it is not Asus fault. if other Boards don't have a drop, they are not fulfilling specs!!

roughly translated:
if the processor is under load it gets hotter, and due to physically effects the conductivity of the silicium gets better. so without a vDrop there would be a bigger current as under idle. that's why Intel introduced the "Loadline" in which the minimum and the maximum of the vDrop is specified.

clearly now?!

[ost_2005]

I don't know if it's true, but I read in a german forum that Intel boards are supposed to lower Vcore under load. So Asus is following the specs by Intel.
But as I said, I just read it in a forum and didn't double-check with the actual specs from Intel.
It is ture.

Many people here can confirm this.

ASUS MB droop a lot.

Intel 975x BX bad-axe hardly droop.

Intel Spec allow +/-5% on vCore ,maybe more on Dual core.

But we are overclocker.
less droop, more clocks achieve!

[LoKi2k]

dein englisch ist allererste sahne :D

[FischOderAal]

dein englisch ist allererste sahne :D

ironie? :( hoffe doch mal nicht :( hab mich jahrelang mit englischen spielen und englischen filmen geübt ^^

[ost_2005]

here you go



http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2005/leistungsmessung_intel/index2.php

so, stop flaming about something that IS Intel Spec... it is not Asus fault. if other Boards don't have a drop, they are not fulfilling specs!!

roughly translated:
if the processor is under load it gets hotter, and due to physically effects the conductivity of the silicium gets better. so without a vDrop there would be a bigger current as under idle. that's why Intel introduced the "Loadline" in which the minimum and the maximum of the vDrop is specified.

clearly now?!
I dont mean that that is ASUS`fault.

But for Our overclocker the more droop ,the less Clock we can achive.

And you know DFI MB for AMD hardly droop.

So DFI MBs overclock very well even if NO mod.

Intel 975x BX bad-axe hardly droop,either.

So it overclocks very well to.

[FischOderAal]

I dont mean that that is ASUS`fault.

But for Our overclocker the more droop ,the less Clock we can achive.

And you know DFI MB for AMD hardly droop.

So DFI MBs overclock very well even if NO mod.

Intel 975x BX bad-axe hardly droop,either.

So it overclocks very well to.

yeah, ok. i've said everything I wanted ^^ got a P4C800 myself and vDrop sucks (the P4X Models had very bad PWMs...).
but well, there's hardly a better choice than Asus for Intel CPUs *duck* Abit? Layout :slapass:

that the Bad Axe doesn't drop that much might be due to the fact that most of the users should have enabled "Advanced Power Slope" which reduces the Drop by 50%. I would really like such an option for Asus, but :(

[ost_2005]

ironie? :( hoffe doch mal nicht :( hab mich jahrelang mit englischen spielen und englischen filmen geübt ^^
Are you German?

You are so happy.

World Cup 2006 is coming in Germany.

:D

[FischOderAal]

Are you German?

You are so happy.

World Cup 2006 is coming in Germany.

:D

yeah :D but I got no cards :( but my friend has got a beamer :D at 17:00 (GMT +1) we will sit watching the opening match and :toast:

but I don't think we will win the WM :( hope best for Trinidad & Tobaigo ^^

[ost_2005]

yeah, ok. i've said everything I wanted ^^ got a P4C800 myself and vDrop sucks (the P4X Models had very bad PWMs...).
but well, there's hardly a better choice than Asus for Intel CPUs *duck* Abit? Layout :slapass:

that the Bad Axe doesn't drop that much might be due to the fact that most of the users should have enabled "Advanced Power Slope" which reduces the Drop by 50%. I would really like such an option for Asus, but :(
Abit IC7 is better than ASUS P4C800-E D.

My Opinion for OC MB is that the less droop ,the better.

[FischOderAal]

Abit IC7 is better than ASUS P4C800-E D.

My Opinion for OC MB is that the less droop ,the better.

yeah, the IC7 is the one and only for 478 :D I purchased a P4C800 because of the CT479.
but the new AW9D? :stick: for me the layout is more important than overclockability, because you can do Mods, but you can't change the layout ;)

[ost_2005]

yeah :D but I got no cards :( but my friend has got a beamer :D at 17:00 (GMT +1) we will sit watching the opening match and :toast:

but I don't think we will win the WM :( hope best for Trinidad & Tobaigo ^^
Too late for us.

[ost_2005]

yeah, the IC7 is the one and only for 478 :D I purchased a P4C800 because of the CT479.
but the new AW9D? :stick: for me the layout is more important than overclockability, because you can do Mods, but you can't change the layout ;)
IC7 Series are the best Abit ever made.

I dont know that if AW9D is good or not.

If it droops less ,I will take it into account.

[phobos]

Hehe, a bunch of german guys around here :).

But let's continue in english, that's more polite ;).
Well, actually I live pretty close to Stuttgart (writing my diploma thesis here right now) and I'm only every few weeks in Ahaus (of course I know where Dülmen is ;) ). Only two hours of work left and I will take the train to Stuttgart to watch the first game on a big screen somewhere with tons of people and g'd german beer. (I'm so freaking glad to have 'real' beer again after 7 months in the states ;))

but now BTT:
Of course the droop issue is annoying when it comes to serious overclocking but hey, if you are a serious overclocker you don't hesistate to do a mainboard mod, do you? ;) Anyways, it would be nicer to get a BIOS option to disable the Vcore droop regulation rather than modding the board.