The Apogee better then the Storm? Well according to this review...

[Eastcoasthandle]

This review makes me go hmm... It indicates that the storm set to low is outperformed by the Apogee by several degrees.
link (http://www.overclockersonline.com/index.php?page=articles&num=360&pnum=7)

Edit link has been corrected for your view. I link you right to the results so you may need to scroll back a few pages for more "indepth info"

[Absolute_0]

:rotf:

i don't need a link to laugh, G4 owns the Apogee.

[Amplified]

Uh, I see no review at that link :confused:

[eXa]

yeah what review?

ive just seen through several review, but hvaent seen any where it performed better than storm. only one where it was equal to a storm!

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

sweet, 100,000 RPM raptors *rolls eyes*... whats the point of this thread?

[Eastcoasthandle]

oops sorry correcting now

[Bail_w]

hmmm i think the site did that review on these two waterblocks must be drunk when they are testing it.

[Eastcoasthandle]

hmmm i think the site did that review on these two waterblocks must be drunk when they are testing it.
Told you it would make you go "hmmm":p:

[Absolute_0]

Drunk off of bribe $$ from "someone" for a "special" review

[eXa]

maybe they just switched the results around!

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

the idle temperature was taken using Foxconn's own temperature monitoring utility, and each load temperature was taken after four hours of Prime95 toture testing ... All the temperature readings were taken with a system temperature between 28°C and 30°C.
:rolleyes:
theres the answer. ondie thermal readings AND an ambient wandering over 2C. considering that their supposed gap is 2C, i wouldn't listen to these results regardless of what they were measuring with, much less ondie sensors :rolleyes:

[Eastcoasthandle]

well lets look at it for a minute here. What he's comparing is a restictive vs. non restrictive WB, right? I want to bring to your attention the fact that the Storm WB may not have been properly secured on the CPU. This can also increase temps.

[creidiki]

Well, its a good example of why the majority of reviews on the net cant be trusted...

[Sentential]

There is some truth to what this person put up on hte net. The storm peforms horribly on a low flow pump, I dont see how this is a suprise to anyone.

[creidiki]

im assuming you mean low head ;p

[Petra]

There is some truth to what this person put up on hte net. The storm peforms horribly on a low flow pump, I dont see how this is a suprise to anyone.
Before you make a misleading blanket statement like that.... You should really check the performance comparison charts over at ProCooling (http://www.procooling.com/index.php?func=articles&disp=131) and SystemCooling (http://www.systemcooling.com/images/reviews/LiquidCooling/Swiftech_Apogee/image25big.gif). You really can't make much of an intelligent comparison without knowing how much water is being pushed through each block (at the very least)...

The review linked by the OP is just another example of cra:banana::banana:y reviewing practices carried out by people who don't know what they're doing.

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

actually... the storm is possibly the best block all across the board, from <.5 gpm and up... i don't think anyone has tested in the sub-.5gpm area (ie .25 gpm or .1 gpm or anything stupidly low like that).

[BWR]

actually... the storm is possibly the best block all across the board, from <.5 gpm and up... i don't think anyone has tested in the sub-.5gpm area (ie .25 gpm or .1 gpm or anything stupidly low like that).
Im assuming you mean ">.5gpm"

[eXa]

but it aint a low flow pump! isnt that a d5?

[Helmore]

They installed the hoses the wrong way, look at this (http://www.overclockersonline.com/images/articles/swiftech/h2o-220-apex_ultra/large/storm_setup.jpg) pic. They connected the inlet hose to the outlet barb, if you look thru the loop carefully.

[Grinch]

They installed the hoses the wrong way, look at this (http://www.overclockersonline.com/images/articles/swiftech/h2o-220-apex_ultra/large/storm_setup.jpg) pic. They connected the inlet hose to the outlet hose, if you look thru the loop carefully.



you are 100% right...LOL...I know because I did the same thing the 1st time...:woot:

[eXa]

hahahaha noobs!

[Jochenp]

Someone should tell them openly on their forum :)
Maybe we should make a big topic with all kinds of arguments why that review is biased:p
Just for kicks offcourse...

Jochenp

[Holst]

Someone should tell them openly on their forum :)
Maybe we should make a big topic with all kinds of arguments why that review is biased:p
Just for kicks offcourse...

Jochenp

We get enough trolls on here as it is without going onto other forums to recruit more.

Waterblock reviews are very hard to do and its no supprise that most of them are innacurate. Just be thankfull that you can get decent info on XS.

[Gimmpy224]

what?!?! its not supposed to SUCK through the little jets? bs :P

[Jochenp]

Lol, I wonder what flow that gives :D

[JoeBar]

Very nice review... :lol2:

[skaktuss]

They installed the hoses the wrong way, look at this (http://www.overclockersonline.com/images/articles/swiftech/h2o-220-apex_ultra/large/storm_setup.jpg) pic. They connected the inlet hose to the outlet barb, if you look thru the loop carefully.
LOL, i didnt notice that at first time! :)
that review realy rocks!!! hurrah, Tony Franzese!!! guys, lets smack him on the shoulder!

[Aramdin]

Hahaha, what the heck! Hmm gotta try that one out if I have some spare time :p

[MaxxxRacer]

If your going to review something you should be required to have the brain capacity to actaully install the product correctly.

[granulf]

Best review ever! Also, according to him, there's basically no difference between mcp665(I know it's mcp655, but he calls it mcp665) and the previous mcp650 :D

Go Apogee! (I'm using one myself :p: )

[el rolio]

hahah i love XS

[nikhsub1]

If your going to review something you should be required to have the brain capacity to actaully install the product correctly.
I agree. If you don't the proper term for you is 'schmuck'. LOL.

[SMa]

http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-01.html
read this

First you'll think: "just what I thought, storm rules!" (http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-12.html)
Then you'll read this (http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-12.html), and you're wondering... why would I pay more for a waterblock with similar results?

[nikhsub1]

this (http://www.systemcooling.com/swiftech_apogee-12.html), and you're wondering... why would I pay more for a waterblock with similar results?
No, if you're smart you will think, "IHS based CPU testing is crap".

[Jochenp]

Then you remember: aaah, storm works best with IHS-less CPU's:)

[nikhsub1]

Then you remember: aaah, storm works best with IHS-less CPU's:)
Yeah, and so does every WB and HSF on the planet. Your point?

[SMa]

Then you remember: aaah, storm works best with IHS-less CPU's:)
Then you wonder: does everyone remove the IHS?

[Jochenp]

Hey, this is xtremesystems right?
@ nikhsub1 : the impigment zone of the storm is exactly where the actual core is, so the storm benefits more from a naked ship than say the 6002 or apogee.

[Aramdin]

Then you wonder: does everyone remove the IHS?

Nope :) You'll only void yer guarantee. Only hardcore tweakers will remove the IHS :cool:

[Hassan]

So is someone going to point it out to him?

[Master_G]

LMAO, and May's idiot of the month award goes to . . .

G

[Kano]

You can remove the IHS (what covers the top of the CPU)? O_O

[Jochenp]

You surely can :)
A lot of people here do (so do I).

[Hassan]

You can remove the IHS (what covers the top of the CPU)? O_O

What type of cpu do you have?

[Kano]

Pentium D 805.

[BGP Spook]

I am pretty sure you can't remove an Intel IHS(reliably).

[Delirious]

Nope :) You'll only void yer guarantee. Only hardcore tweakers will remove the IHS :cool:

which means 90% of this forum.

The phrase "better safe than sorry" doesnt belong here.

[Aramdin]

My bad :)

[Bloody_Sorcerer]

one valuable bit of info from this comparison: the apogee is so bad that to make a storm equal it you must install the storm backwards.

[Hassan]

Since Prescott, IHS removal is a no-go, most of us that removed IHS have Northwood and A64, AXP and Intel Mobiles are already bare die. Whose got the balls to try it on a Conroe!

[Jochenp]

Prescott is possible, but only if you're heating the IHS with say a soldering iron to heat the therma paste up :D (extreeeeeme :D)

Jochenp

[Kano]

I've asked several times what the best CPU water block for around $50 is. Several people have said the APOGEE, but I've heard the APOGEE is horrible. There must be something better?

[Delirious]

Since Prescott, IHS removal is a no-go, most of us that removed IHS have Northwood and A64, AXP and Intel Mobiles are already bare die. Whose got the balls to try it on a Conroe!

Im sure it wont take long, the conroes are goin to be cheaper than the current opteron/x2's that people are de-liding right now?

[Jochenp]

I've asked several times what the best CPU water block for around $50 is. Several people have said the APOGEE, but I've heard the APOGEE is horrible. There must be something better?
The mp-05 swiftly (or was it swiftechly?) kicks the Apogee in the balls and gives it a run for it's money.

Jochenp

[Kano]

The only MP-05 I can find is AquaXtreme. Although there are several versions: Pro, SP, Xtreme, PRO LE, SP LE. Whats the difference? Pro is the cheapest for $55 (Cooltechnica).

[Okda]

won't the latest MP-01 be better than the APOGEE beside it si cheaper

[Kano]

Ok, I found a really good deal on both the PRO LE: http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=173

And the SP LE: http://www.dtekcustoms.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=154

They are both $60. My questions is, what is the difference and which is better.

[Okda]

SP is better due to the shape of the midplate

[JoeBar]

U can get the Pro with the same mid plate also... ;)

[Kano]

So the AquaXtreme SP LE is only second best to the Storm correct? Is there anywhere I can find it for closer to $50? Also, is the AquaXtreme 50Z a powerfull enough pump to get all the performance out of this block?

[JoeBar]

DDC+ is a better choice. Iwaki RD-30 an even better one and wayyyy more expensive...

[Kano]

DDC+? Where can I find that? Is it around the same price ($75)?

[Hassan]

Most places selling DDC's are actually selling the 18w, DD has em as well as CrazyPC, those two I'm sure about.

[creidiki]

Performance-PCs sells it with the plexi-top (DDC-Ultra)

[Kano]

Ok, so is this the DDC+?: http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=135&cat=23&page=1

And thats better than AquaXtreme 50Z? O_o

[creidiki]

thats the pump with the standard top. youd have to mdo the top yourself...

mise well get the pump with the premade top:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=201&products_id=4509

and use the top barb for inlet.

heck, the Pro will beat the 50Z:

http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=201&products_id=4508

stats for comparison (all DDC stats are w. top inlet, 4% less head and 50%+ more flow)

50Z: 10.5ft head, 8W heat dump, 3GPM
Pro: 10ft head, 5W heat dump, 3GPM
Ultra: 15ft head, 9W heat dump, 4.1GPM

[Kano]

Ouch, now its a lot. I'm on a tight budget, paying around $100 for just the pump is getting up there. Especially since my entire setup can't cost over $200.

[creidiki]

i know. i wish laing would make a top inleted 1/2 top version, so we dont have to invalidate the warranty and pay extra for the premade tops.

if they did that they would wipe all other pumps apart from iwaki right off the map.

but until that happends (if ever) these are the best pumps around but they cost premium.

[Hassan]

i know. i wish laing would make a top inleted 1/2 top version, so we dont have to invalidate the warranty and pay extra for the premade tops.

if they did that they would wipe all other pumps apart from iwaki right off the map.

but until that happends (if ever) these are the best pumps around but they cost premium.

Modding it is not terribly difficult,depending upon your versatility with a dremel, in simple terms its just drilling a hole, cutting a barb, lining it up, and glueing it in, like I've said the hardest part for me was waiting the 24 hours for the epoxy to cure before firing it up!

[creidiki]

I know, but many people arent ready to do it, which means that premade tops have to be considered as a cost for the majority of people.

Like i said before, if they remade the tops for 1/2 and provided a top inlet version we wouldnt even have to consider 50Z or D5 anymore, period.

[Okda]

ya i would prefer paying 30$ extra ( if i have them ) to modding the pump

[greatscott68]

I've asked several times what the best CPU water block for around $50 is. Several people have said the APOGEE, but I've heard the APOGEE is horrible. There must be something better?

A couple ppl here have joked me for having an Apogee, but 29/36 sure as hell works for me. Granted, those same ppl would probably say that it's the quad HC + the sanyo denkis that are making those temps happen, and that with a Storm, it would be even better - and they may be right. But, that's a project for another day...:)

[JoeBar]

Don't forget that modding the DDC's top voids its warranty... ;)
In my opinion the pump is something that'll last for quite a long time so investing in something better will eventually be a cost saving solution.