View Full Version : Black Ice GTS360 on the way
warriorpoet
05-21-2006, 10:19 AM
T-minus 5 days and counting...
I was unable to find any sort of review online, so I simply ordered one. We'll see how well it fares mounted on a radbox. It can't do worse for case temps than 2x single rads in a P180!
creidiki
05-21-2006, 10:28 AM
Seems to perform like an MCR-QP when you put silent fans on, and apparently its an improvement over the BIX too with strong fans.
Make sure you post pics!
JoeBar
05-21-2006, 12:16 PM
I believe u'll definately see better temps with the bigt.
Eastcoasthandle
05-21-2006, 12:51 PM
25 micron Copper Splitter Fin Configuration utilizing 45% thinner fin material yielding up to 50% less pressure drop even with twice the fin density.
Unprecedented Ultra-high 30 FPI (Fins Per Inch) fin density providing dramatically increased heat transfer surface area.
Custom low-profile 19.0 x 1.2mm MaxFlow™ tubes with 15% more waterside surface area and 60% frontal area reduction for superior low air-resistance aerodynamics and lower internal flow requirements.
I think are the key points of this new Rad. So even if you use High yielding CFM fans you still benefit from it. I may get one as well as they are now filtering in the states.
The question is do you pay more for single pass or do you pony up your pump for a dual pass version which is cheaper??
it's pretty cheap, a lot cheaper then the PA120.3.
WildEye
05-21-2006, 01:07 PM
it's pretty cheap, a lot cheaper then the PA120.3.
I do not want excuses Admiral, I want performance - now take them away!
creidiki
05-21-2006, 01:12 PM
eastcoast, we've yet to see a single-pass conversion rad that actually outperforms the original dual-pass design in a loop. i think youd be pretty dumb to take the single-pass tbh.
as for performance, well, im not auggesting one until i see tests, hwlabs gives a lot of marketingspeak, but if marketingspeak were reality we'd all be running tt bigwaters.
Eastcoasthandle
05-21-2006, 01:15 PM
eastcoast, we've yet to see a single-pass conversion rad that actually outperforms the original dual-pass design in a loop. i think youd be pretty dumb to take the single-pass tbh.
as for performance, well, im not auggesting one until i see tests, hwlabs gives a lot of marketingspeak, but if marketingspeak were reality we'd all be running tt bigwaters.
I was being scarastic... :rolleyes: However, I have to admit that tests are needed to see how these 2 type of rads perform. It's plausible that they may only be a 1C difference, who knows??
creidiki
05-21-2006, 01:21 PM
Oh, right *doh*
Neway, yeah... mm, it probably has a lot to do with your blocks - single pass need higher per-tube flow - so id guesstimate that you might be able to find a situation where single performs better if you have some low-restriction blocks - apogees, mcws and maze4s - and a high-flow, low-head pump.
i wouldnt bet any money on that performing better than a similar-priced high-restriction loop with a high-head pump and dual-pass tho...
warriorpoet
05-21-2006, 01:50 PM
I'm running it a loop with an Mp-05 SP LE (high restriction) and an EKFCX1800 (medium restriction) using a D5. Since I'll likely get moderate flow with a 3/8"-7/16" system, I went for the dual pass.
Performance-PCs has them for $60
warriorpoet
05-21-2006, 02:09 PM
Seems to perform like an MCR-QP when you put silent fans on, and apparently its an improvement over the BIX too with strong fans.
Make sure you post pics!
How did you reach that conclusion? I roll quiet, so that sort of data is important to me.
creidiki
05-21-2006, 02:13 PM
Radical_53 is testing rads atm, and the results he got with the BIGT are very very similar to the results from the MCR-QP. Still a fair ways behing PAs though.
Wait a couple of days, I think he waiting for a BIP to be delivered and tested, then we should have the results - YLs at different olts in push & pull... should be quite interesting.
warriorpoet
05-21-2006, 02:21 PM
Radical_53 is testing rads atm, and the results he got with the BIGT are very very similar to the results from the MCR-QP. Still a fair ways behing PAs though.
Wait a couple of days, I think he waiting for a BIP to be delivered and tested, then we should have the results - YLs at different olts in push & pull... should be quite interesting.
Great! I can't wait to see that. Unfortunately, PAs are out of the picture for me. I love the performance, but the price and packaging, both two times the size of the BIGT series, suck, and I'll not even get into the finish issues I've been hearing about...
Maybe I'll just have to mount 5x YLs on it at 5v...
edit: creidiki, I found something you and I may be interested in: here (http://www.silentpcreview.com/article605-page1.html)
phelan1777
05-21-2006, 04:57 PM
PA's?
warriorpoet
05-21-2006, 05:16 PM
PA's?
Thermochill PA 120.1, 2, 3 and 160
They're widely recognized as the best quiet/performance radiators on the market, although the packaging and price could use a little adjustment.
phelan1777
05-21-2006, 05:19 PM
Thermochill PA 120.1, 2, 3 and 160
They're widely recognized as the best quiet/performance radiators on the market, although the packaging and price could use a little adjustment.
Price CAN ALWAYS be adjusted, but unfortunately its alwaus SLOW in being adjusted in our favor.
Whats the difference between the 120-160?
creidiki
05-21-2006, 05:33 PM
No, it cant, not unless your money starts being worth more than the paper its printed on ;)
There's 2 factors to consider:
1. unlike coolingworks, hwlabs and swiftech, thermochill arent produced in asia (cheap labour) but in the uk, where labour quality is superior, but expensive.
2. as as result of 1, the incredibly strong british pound royally screws over all buyers from countries with weak currencies... and compared to the british pound, ALL currencies are weak.
Considering that a 120.1 cost about 50£ (93$) locally, i dont think 95$ @ jab-tech is such a bad price :P
120.x are your usual single/double/triple rads, PA160 is a 160x160mm single-row, single-pass rad that able to provide nearly the cooling levels of a 120.2, with the same airflow - 120.2 w. 2x 45CFM fans performs a little better than a 160 with an 80CFM fan.
Zenjirou
05-21-2006, 05:42 PM
120.x are your usual single/double/triple rads, PA160 is a 160x160mm single-row, single-pass rad that able to provide nearly the cooling levels of a 120.2, with the same airflow - 120.2 w. 2x 45CFM fans performs a little better than a 160 with an 80CFM fan.
160x50mm :)
-aDaM^
05-21-2006, 05:49 PM
I just ordered a GT360 too :D
Eastcoasthandle
05-21-2006, 05:54 PM
I just ordered a GT360 too :D
you goning to make me buy one don't you :D
creidiki
05-21-2006, 05:57 PM
160x50mm :)
160x160x50, k mr pedant? :p:
WeStSiDePLaYa
05-21-2006, 06:14 PM
i want one, from everything ive heard, this will be a very high perfomance rad, at a much better price point than the thermochills.
creidiki
05-21-2006, 06:24 PM
looks to be pretty much identical to the swiftech rads as far as performance, and it costs about the same doesent it?
considering theyre thinner than MCR-QPs and also seem to outperform BIXes @ high cfm, i think theyll probably replace them as recommeded mid-budget rads.
well, and i guess looks are a plus factor too =p
nothing changes in the end, you get what you pay for.
With the high fpi it would get clogged with dust easy! is dust a problem with pa?
creidiki
05-22-2006, 08:36 AM
hasnt for me yet and a i smoke like a chimney...
JoeBar
05-22-2006, 10:58 AM
Due to their design PA's are good for low cfm fans and quite dust free... :)
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 12:50 PM
I just ordered a GT360 too :D
Congrats. I'll race you... :)
T-minus four days and counting...
Eastcoasthandle
05-22-2006, 12:58 PM
DD now sells them (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=81) slightly cheaper too.
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 01:06 PM
DD now sells them (http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=81) slightly cheaper too.
The 360 is the same $ as Perf-PC, and given the choice I'd go with them.
Eastcoasthandle
05-22-2006, 01:10 PM
The 360 is the same $ as Perf-PC, and given the choice I'd go with them.
I was referring to the 240...:rolleyes:
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 01:18 PM
I was referring to the 240...:rolleyes:
The 120 is the cheaper as well. I was kinda trying to give you a hard time. :rolleyes: right back atcha
Eastcoasthandle
05-22-2006, 01:55 PM
The 120 is the cheaper as well. I was kinda trying to give you a hard time. :rolleyes: right back atcha
:D No biggie, I am still contemplating if I should buy or not. I simply don't know if this is going to be better then the BIX II that I have now. Right now I am doing only the following:
Ambient is 25C today in this room.
-x1900xtx OC 733.5 GPU and 833 MEM
idle 33C and 41C using RTHDTIBL
VC temps is 38C
-660 OC from 3.6 to 4.36GHz
idle 37C and 42.5C using Prime95
MB temps is 27C
Now if I go 360 I am still not sure if I will benefit from lower temps then what I am doing now.
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 02:02 PM
:D No biggie, I am still contemplating if I should buy or not. I simply don't know if this is going to be better then the BIX II that I have now. Right now I am doing only the following:
Ambient is 24C today in this room.
-x1900xtx OC 733.5 GPU and 833 MEM
idle 33C and 41C using RTHDTIBL
VC temps is 38C
-660 OC from 3.6 to 4.36GHz
idle 37C and 42.5C using Prime95
MB temps is 27C
Now if I go 360 I am still not sure if I will benefit from lower temps then what I am doing now.
Well, if you don't see more than a 5c difference, why not promise yourself an Xfire master card?
creidiki
05-22-2006, 02:04 PM
lol 5c.
try 1-1.5c XD
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 02:08 PM
lol 5c.
try 1-1.5c XD
Hey, bro, I'm trying to get the man an Xfire card here, O.K.? So just, I don't know, go silence your PC or something... :D
Eastcoasthandle
05-22-2006, 02:08 PM
ok you lost me is that good or bad?
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 02:12 PM
ok you lost me is that good or bad?
An x1900xtx crossfire system? It's all good. a 5c temp drop? As unlikely as that is, that's good too. The $60 (BIGTS360) + ~$500 (x1900 Xfire Master card)? Well, depending on your means, that's either bad or pocket change. Although, if you're in the latter group, I've got an amazing can't-miss business oportunity for you... :)
Eastcoasthandle
05-22-2006, 02:14 PM
Oh I see, I was looking for a better rad moreso then another card right now... but thanks:D
warriorpoet
05-22-2006, 02:17 PM
Oh I see, I was looking for a better rad moreso then another card right now... but thanks:D
Right. So to help you over your ultimate disappointment at not getting a significant change in temps, I proposed rewarding yourself with the other half of a Crossfire rig.
*sigh* Sometimes when you have to explain things, they weren't that funny to begin with.
WeStSiDePLaYa
05-22-2006, 08:07 PM
damn those things have a nice price. might look for the 3x120 when they come to canada
warriorpoet
05-23-2006, 01:51 PM
damn those things have a nice price. might look for the 3x120 when they come to canada
Glad to see we can finally agree on something ;)
Three days and counting. And my new monitor gets here tomorrow. Kinda like Christmas in May, huh?
Drunner611
05-23-2006, 02:10 PM
Happy Memorial Day? It's not quite the same feeling as Christmas, but a holiday none the less.
WeStSiDePLaYa
05-23-2006, 04:41 PM
Glad to see we can finally agree on something ;)
Three days and counting. And my new monitor gets here tomorrow. Kinda like Christmas in May, huh?
make sure to take alot of pics when you get it.:woot:
warriorpoet
05-23-2006, 04:45 PM
make sure to take alot of pics when you get it.:woot:
The monitor? Heck, it's just a little 'ol Vx924 ;)
I'll only post pics of the rad if it's not too "mainstream" (a little inside joke for ya there westside... ;) ).
safan80
05-23-2006, 04:50 PM
can anyone who has both the GTS360 and BIX3 compare the proformance?
creidiki
05-23-2006, 05:28 PM
Radical has both, and theyre both tested as well. You can wait a few days for the whole resulst or pm him and try to get the figures off him =p
warriorpoet
05-23-2006, 05:33 PM
Radical has both, and theyre both tested as well. You can wait a few days for the whole resulst or pm him and try to get the figures off him =p
When/where will this wonderful info show up?
javascripterror
05-23-2006, 05:38 PM
Guess who's PM box is going to get very full very quickly.
creidiki
05-23-2006, 05:55 PM
Whenever he's done, I would expect...
warriorpoet
05-23-2006, 06:15 PM
Whenever he's done, I would expect...
Sounds like Duke Nukem Forever...
creidiki
05-23-2006, 06:23 PM
Lol!
Nah, last I heard he was waiting on the delivery of a triple BIP.
warriorpoet
05-24-2006, 01:50 PM
Three days. I am, however, greatly enjoying my new mp3 player and monitor in the mean time...
warriorpoet
05-25-2006, 01:40 PM
IT'S HERE!
...pics coming...
JoeBar
05-26-2006, 09:31 AM
Keep us updated...