[Denny] Merom T7400 ES full result @ 2.16, 2.6 and 2.9G

[guess2098]

http://www.iamxtreme.com/
i also post in my website

TESTING

Since Merom and Conroe is very similar, we over clock T7400 to 2.6G and 2.9G and we can MAYBE consider as Conroe reference. Also, we add in the little brother of T7400, Yonah T2600, to compare what is performance gain between them.

CPU MARK
HIGHER IS BETTER
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_cpumakr.gif
As we expect, T7400 is better than T2600 at same speed. Even 2.9G T7400 out perform T2600 3G. We believe the gap between two CPU is about 200MHz.



SUPER PI 32M
LOWER IS BETTER
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_32.gif
We see under same speed, T7400 is about faster then T2600 about 40sec. As we increases the FSB, the performance gain for T7400 is much better than T2600.



3DMark01
HIGHER IS BETTER
1024 X 768
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_3d01.gif
3Dmark01 is very depending on CPU graphical calculation power. It clears shows T2600 under 3G is slower than T7400 on 2.6G.



3DMark03
HIGHER IS BETTER
1024 X 768
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_3d03.gif
3Dmark03 always very depends on CPU graphical power too. However, it also stresses CPU more than any other kind of FutureMark products. The weird thing is T7400 likes 3Dmark03 very much. Even 2.16G over perform T2600 at 3G.



3DMark05
HIGHER IS BETTER
1024 X 768
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_3d05.gif
3Dmark05 is more depending on the video card but still relate to the processing speed of CPU. The result closer to 3Dmark01 and super pi 32M. T7400 out perform T2600 under same speed even T7400 is 400MHz slower.



3DMark06
HIGHER IS BETTER
1280 X 1024 32Bit
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_3d06.gif
Same thing happens in 3Dmark06 also. But this time T2600 at 3G is better than T7400 at 2.6G, but it is only about 60 point more for 400MHz difference. For their default speed is about 100point difference.



Sandra CPU Arithmetic Benchmark
HIGHER IS BETTER
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_sandra_01.gif
Now we probably knows why 2.6G T7400 can out perform 3G T2600. T7400 at 2.6G score of ALU and iSSE2 is much faster than T2600 at 3G



Sandra CPU Multi-Media Benchmark
HIGHER IS BETTER
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_sandra_02.gif
Well, from this we can tell that under multi-media bench, the result is about the same as we see as other benchmarks.



Cinebench CPU Benchmark
HIGHER IS BETTER
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_cine.gif
Another benchmarks back up our thought, when FSB increases, the gap gets larger between T7400 and T2600! At default speed, only about 9 point different between each. However as FSB and bus speed increases, the Merom like the unleash monster, it gets even 60 points compare with 2.9G T7400 and 3G T2600



F.E.A.R Benchmark*
HIGHER IS BETTER
1152 X 864, FSAA 4X, Anisotropic 16X
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_fear.gif



FARCRY Benchmark**
HIGHER IS BETTER
1280 X 1024, D3D encode, Antialising 8X, AF 16X
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_farcry.gif



Quake4 Benchmark***
HIGHER IS BETTER
1280 X 1024, Ultra Quality, Anisotropic 16X, Antialising 4X, SMP enable
http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/t74_q4.gif



*F.E.A.R Benchmark using its build in test run
**FarCry Benchmark Downloaded Guru3D (Here)
***Q4 Benchmark Downloaded Guru3D (Here)


Not yet finishing my conclusion on my website lol....

[greenwar]

Nice post. Keep up the great job.

[bachus_anonym]

Denny... Again! Hands down comparison, bud :up: Merom @ 2.93GHz sounds like a plan, doesn't it? :)
Thanks for putting so much effort and sharing your results here!
No doubt, it's the most comprehensive preview of new Merom that XS has seen so far :toast:

[guess2098]

Denny... Again! Hands down comparison, bud :up: Merom @ 2.93GHz sounds like a plan, doesn't it? :)
Thanks for putting so much effort and sharing your results here!
No doubt, it's the most comprehensive preview of new Merom that XS has seen so far :toast:



http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/T74.gif <---love it? heheh beautiful
thx man! take me so long to do.. and thx for you help for all those 3D benchmark program hehehe..

i got the Doom3 today.. i couldn't find it hahahaha.. so i just ordered another D3.... lucky it is not expensive now!! lol

bte Q4 is only 24 at frys now ~~ the lowest price i see over internet

[kiwi]

Nice comparison but Merom has FSB wall, again, another chip that has it.... :slapass: am I right?

[vintage_guitar]

Wow, probably the most impressive comparison I've read in a long time on this site. Thanks.

[vengance_01]

Nice job. I am glad we have people who have the resorces to get thid new tech early for us to drool over:) Now you just need DX 10 cards and we be golden:banana:

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Id love to see this merom @ 3.5+ and some 1900CF or 7900gts 512 action :)

[boblemagnifique]

Good test :)

The Max fsb 225 on air ???

thank

[s7e9h3n]

What stepping is the Merom? Stepping 0, 4, 8, or ? :D

[boblemagnifique]

What stepping is the Merom? Stepping 0, 4, 8, or ? :D

http://www.iamxtreme.com/cpu/t7400/cpuz.gif

[kl0012]

guess2098

Sorry, but why the games results on your page are differed from the results you posted here? Results themselves also a little strange - for example in F.E.A.R. they are distinguished only by 1 FPS.

[\Karting_freak]

Denny, does the other cpu have the same fsb wall? does it clock better?

[gullf1sk]

Sweet results!
Keep up the good work man! :clap:

[SIOUX]

Great work putting this compare together Denny :toast:

[Dynasty]

nice work on the Merom performance charts Denny,
look at the L2-4096 :slobber: .

The T7400 looks very promising, I have to grab one. :)

[Waus-mod]

Nice comparison but Merom has FSB wall, again, another chip that has it.... :slapass: am I right?

doesnt it get obvuis :)

780 ~ fsb wall
yonah ~ fsb wall
merom ~ fsb wall...

all mobile chips.. i still believe these chips are just designed for mobile use. even some chips can clock very hard were still bugged.. desktop all the way

[yotomeczek]

doesnt it get obvuis :)

780 ~ fsb wall
yonah ~ fsb wall
merom ~ fsb wall...

all mobile chips.. i still believe these chips are just designed for mobile use. even some chips can clock very hard were still bugged.. desktop all the way

well i had 4 pentium mobile chips (750, 730, 780, 770)
every one did almost 300fsb (chips were 133fsb def) - is this fsb wall ??
I don't think so ...

Yonah and meron - agree - fsb wall there is :(

[incurable]

Thanks for sharing your results, guess2098, however, I have a minor quibble about some of your graphs: Could you please update them so they ALL start their scales at "0"?

It's kinda rediculous to have a graph show 3 times the bar length for a 2,5% increase in performance. (as it does for FEAR)

Again, thanks for testing and sharing your results with us!

[Godmaster]

great test.

temps idle and full load?

[tonyl]

Great post, very comprehensive bechmarks!

[Mowgli]

when is this Merom due again? officially from Inteln i mean...on the roadmaps it says its only launched in September. But from the looks of it, it could be way earlier than september!

[\Karting_freak]

@Waus
its all bout vcca
reducing it help to reduce tdp a lot imo => mobile chip needs to stay cool.
give George some time and AOpen board and he'll fix that for sure ))
i'd send him a board, but we dont have one here ((

[railer]

Nice results man. :toast:
As for Merom having FSB wall that might not be true at all. Its more like chipset screws up. Lets wait for some NB vmods or diferent Mb's.

[FischOderAal]

hm, but do current Retail Yonah Chips do have this FSB-Wall as well? thought the Yonah WRs were made with over 300 FSBs?

is there a possibility that further Meroms will go beyond 300 as well?

I wanted to buy a Conroe, but the lower Multi might affect much higher OC results... (still not sure what to buy, but I don't like CPUs without a IHS... destroyed my Celeron M on CT479 once... *doh*)

€: sry, I forgot: nice results and a good Comparison ;) thanks alot!

[^don.k's^]

As we guessed, merom seems to still have FSB wall... :slap: Let's hope new chipsets can go further than 400 easily... :D

BTW nice results there :toast:

[guess2098]

not sure but FSB wall seems about 22x for merom ES now.
i wish no FSB wall....

for FEAR, the result is like that i have no idea why.....
ran many times but ...

[K404]

Hey Denny..thanks for posting these numbers :) Damn fine results as well :)

[StixxX]

That was the most simplest and easiest review I have seen in a long while ..Good job and thank for the info but seem like Conroe will be better 4 overclockers since the merom cpu is FSB limited unless a updated bios comes along andups it to 250+..we just got to wait n see I guess

[jebo_4jc]

Thanks for your hard work....exciting stuff!

[ibby]

merom v crone ... ?

[Harshal]

Well in some of the benchies Merom really kills Yonah! Nice work guess2098! Keep it up.

[IntelUser]

Hi. Recently subscribed here, and most of you should be able to guess why :).


However as FSB and bus speed increases, the Merom like the unleash monster, it gets even 60 points compare with 2.9G T7400 and 3G T2600

This tells that Merom/Conroe is much more bandwidth starved than Yonah/Pentium D. Actually this CPU probably demands the most bandwidth out of all PC CPUs. Pentium 4's had a point where it was somewhat being starved at one point or another, but now its not true anymore.

It's like how Pentium 4 Northwood's got decent performance increase from doubling L2 cache, but doubling caches on Pentium D's nowadays gives around half the performance increase.

It doesn't matter whether other CPUs like Athlon X2's or Core Duo's get more bandwidth/cache, it will be hard to reach close to Conroe advantage.

http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/prozessoren/intel/2006/maerz/cebit06_benchmarks_intel_merom/
http://www.computerbase.de/news/hardware/prozessoren/intel/2006/april/neue_benchmarks_intels_core_duo_merom/

For those who wants to know benchmark numbers only, we don't need to see anymore. Merom is approximately 20% or faster in average to Yonah. Those who wants OC numbers, keep reading.


One question to members/mods. Where did the thread about Conroe and Half Life 2: Lost Source go?? I saw that thread and wanted to check back to be sure the 165fps number is "average" but, couldn't see it anymore.

[mr_knowitall15]

damn this looks sexy. SO IIRC, you can just put one of these babys in place of a yonah right? I might be getting a nice laptop soon to help with school :banana::banana::banana::banana:, and it would be sweet if it was upgradable to this.

[Pinnacle]

We need a fx/Opty vs.Merom T7400 comparaison :)

[uclajd]

What is the multiplier range for the Merom ES's? :confused: :confused:

Reminds me of the P4 2.4c's, which would usually crap out around 300 FSB in most boards, even if 299 was pefectly stable.


not sure but FSB wall seems about 22x for merom ES now. i wish no FSB wall....

for FEAR, the result is like that i have no idea why.....
ran many times but ...

[guess2098]

We need a fx/Opty vs.Merom T7400 comparaison :)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97869

then check this thread XD

[thecoldanddark]

not sure but FSB wall seems about 22x for merom ES now.
i wish no FSB wall....

for FEAR, the result is like that i have no idea why.....
ran many times but ...


did you try to lower the resolution to see if it makes a difference?
also try not to use aa and af use pure speed and see if it makes a difference as well. This is a processor test, which can be done in more than one way.

[don_vercetti]

Excellent comparison, thanks mate. Especially liking the look of that 3dmark03 bench. 2k point difference between 3g Yonah and 2.2g Conroe is awesome, Q4 looks good too.

[Pinnacle]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=97869

then check this thread XD

Yes, but now lets have all of them together in onr review:)

[FischOderAal]

What is the multiplier range for the Merom ES's? :confused: :confused:

Reminds me of the P4 2.4c's, which would usually crap out around 300 FSB in most boards, even if 299 was pefectly stable.

afaik the ES have the same Multipliers as the Retail CPUs.

for Mobile -> Stock Multi and below (Pentium-M was down to 6x)
Desktop -> Stock and a few deeper (don't know how far, think eg. for 805 it's 20 to 15)