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Rolle2k

10-08-2006, 09:42 AM

markr: you got a PM from me regarding timings and stuff.

markr

10-08-2006, 10:17 AM

markr: you got a PM from me regarding timings and stuff.

Sorry I didn't catch it earlier:( . Response sent. Hope it helps.

learners permit

10-08-2006, 11:03 PM

Markr I gained 200 mhz by changing the values for P/4, N/5, and HTT receiver impedance to 6. I played around with them for awhile and could not find more suitable values than these for my rig. Made a nice difference in clock speed though.

eXa

10-28-2006, 09:06 AM

is uccc chips(bp) a good choice for this board? if im lucky i can use the 166 divider to get 3Ghz out of my chip (278mhz)

Rolle2k

10-28-2006, 09:24 AM

Is it just me that gets coldboot problems over 315MHz HTT ?

markr

10-28-2006, 09:30 AM

Is it just me that gets coldboot problems over 315MHz HTT ?

What bios are you on? This is a known issue with the Sapphire official bios.

Rolle2k

10-28-2006, 03:13 PM

What bios are you on? This is a known issue with the Sapphire official bios.

I'm using the AMI beta that tony posted earlier.. so it's the "best" bios. Any idea what settings that can be the problem? I was thinking about HTT stuff, but maybe i'm wrong?

markr

10-28-2006, 04:38 PM

Did you try these?

In bios at the Advanced tab, under Hyper Transport Config:

NB HT Link Width is set to Auto or 16bit
RD580 HT Drive Strength is set to Optimal
HT Receiver Comp Ctrl is set to Optimal
RD580 HT PLL Control is set to High Speed

And is your HT multi set to 800 or lower?

markr

10-28-2006, 04:47 PM

is uccc chips(bp) a good choice for this board? if im lucky i can use the 166 divider to get 3Ghz out of my chip (278mhz)

Hi eXa. Chew* did some mem testing in this thread. You might find your answers there.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91730&page=5&highlight=rd580+results

Rolle2k

10-29-2006, 06:06 AM

eXa

10-29-2006, 08:15 AM

Sounds like the memory is giving problems now...time to tune it. I would first not touch the DDR Memory Drive Strength settings (Level 0-15) at first. First find the best DDR data drive strength setting (% reduced). Then start playing with the DDR Drive Strengths. I would suggest reducing the strengths to begin with one step at a time and go from there. Memtest can be used to get things going.

Please report back what settings you are using now that is stable (using the 100 MHz memory divider for now).

The data drive strength, its not in A64 tweaker or on bios?

Edit: Is it the memory DQ drive strength? can set it to not reduced and 15\30\50% reduced
Also got dram drive strength and can set that to normal or weak.

Cant change memory DQ thingy in A64 tweaker though, only got drive strenght (normal\weak)
Gotta try a newer one...

Edit2: oh seemes like i got the newest one... (0.6beta)

markr

10-29-2006, 08:30 AM

The data drive strength, its not in A64 tweaker or on bios?

They are there. They are just not numbers like on the DFI. DRAM Drive Strength is normal or weak. DATA Drive Strength is reduced%.
Tweaker only shows dram drive strength but A64info shows both.

Edit: You beat me to it. Try A64info. It is a sweet little program.

eXa

10-29-2006, 08:31 AM

not familiar with dfi btw...

Downloaded a64 info. ok ditching tweaker now...

eXa

10-29-2006, 08:52 AM

Run sysoft sandra and see what your bandwidth is. Your ram should run at least the speed it is spec'd at. You don't need to up your cpu anymore but your ram is supposed to do what like 217mhz? Just for comparison my bandwidth is around 7000. I would guess with your ram uderclocked yours will be significantly less. 133 should work just fine you will need to get the right timings and voltage. This is where A64info becomes your friend until you find the right settings. Then you can set them in bios once you know what they are. The 133 divider will put your ram at 215Mhz, that is right at spec.

Idont think 133 divider works any good at our cpus... 133 doesnt work any good for me either...

markr

10-29-2006, 08:56 AM

What happens with the 133 divider? Not stable? Is the 150 or 140 too high for your settings?

eXa

10-29-2006, 09:24 AM

wont boot at all! im testing the memory now. i think 150 should work (if its not borky like the 133)

Edit: 100 and 166 works fine though...

eXa

10-29-2006, 09:39 AM

hmm what does this mean? got it on both prime but prime never turned yellow:

Torture test ran 10minutes - 0 errors, 0 warnings
execution halted
Beginning a continious self test to check your computer

and then it continues priming...
?

Edit: oh noticed now that it always says "Beginning a continious self test to check your computer" when u start priming. but why did it stop?

Edit2: eh never mind that prime thingy, everything is like normal. just a stupid user....

eXa

10-29-2006, 10:41 AM

Ok testing 250Htt, ram 1:1 @ 3,3,2,5 right now!

Edit: Not stable, 247 was. time to reduse drive strenght thingy!

Edit2: Hmm reduced data drive strenght with 15% and prime failed @ 245htt... upped to 0% again and keep testing more @ 245htt

Edit3:Ok so redusing data drive strengt didnt do anything for me, no point in trying 30 and 50% then?

Edit4: wonder if 250 is doable with a little more voltage? upped to 2.8 (from 2,74) and trying 248now... eh no! failed while typing.

Edit5: Ok redused dram drive strength to weak. Daam, didnt help either! is it normal that both data drive strength and dram drive streng doesnt affect at all?
vell hm maybe try that P and N thing... aint that in the A64info?

Edit6: hm tried changing max async(since i cant play with P\N) latency to 9(from7) and read preample to 7(from 5.5) like ive done before and it only gave me a few minutes more in prime...

Ok what to change now? do i have to reboot everytime just to change P\N?

Edit7: Ok now im testing if i get to 295 with 166divider...

learners permit

10-29-2006, 01:14 PM

Post an A64 info screenshot so we can see timings and such.

eXa

10-29-2006, 01:35 PM

ok. 295 went fine with 166 divider. wonder if i write down all the info from A64 and set it that way in bios, would the machine boot?

eXa

10-29-2006, 02:04 PM

here:

eXa

10-29-2006, 04:39 PM

YES! i think it boots alright with theese settings too! i wrote everything down and put it like that in bios and it worked! booted right up!

Think this is the highest stable performance settings ive had!
to bad 150mem divider aint in the bios or else i would had over 2.9 @ cpu!

Hmm maybe ill try the 133 divider again. change nothing but that...?

Edit: Zomg it worked!:eek:
Time to up the htt again! :slobber:

Edit2: What does "digital locked loop" does? it was enabled before but aint now! (i locked up the system and it wouldnt restart so had to clear cmos) but system booted right up after i set everything in bios again!

Edit3: Btw, how is th board supposed to beeb when u turn it on? two high and two low?
Oh and my cpu didnt like 314htt with only 1,35v. 310htt seemed fine though. Didnt test long but it usually tells me fast if something is wrong....

Edit4: Hmm @ 3ghz my memory is only at 223mhz. that should work fine with cas 2.5 insted of 3.
How does 2.5,3,2,5 @ 225 compare to 3,4,4,8 @ 278?

Edit5: Dammit! really thought maybe i could make 3Ghz with ok ram speed now, but no! since it seemes stable @310htt and not 315 i figured that all it was just cpu who wanted mor juice. so upped to 1,375. but no 315htt didnt work now either!? so im now trying 100divider on ram just to chekcj if its that (what i thought was borky) 133divider. if this doesnt work ill tri 1.4 on cpu too. if not that either.... well then im stuck!

Edit6: 100divider didnt do it!

Edit7: A little more relieved again. seemes like it needed a little more juice than i thouht. 1.4v and now it keeps going!

Edit8: Started testing 318htt with 1.4v and 133divider!

Edit9: hmm no... not shure if i managed to change the volt on cpu... I rebooted and sat the voltage to 1.4 in bios to be shure. testing 318htt now... (with 1.4 and 133divider)

Edit10: No, cant get 318htt stable. priming 315 now. Dammit what is stopping me? hope not cpu :confused: it should do way better than this!

Edit11: Daam, 315 not stable either? ran for 20min. well priming 310 then.... have to sleep, so gonna leave it at that for now. hope its still priming when i wake up!

[XC] moddolicous

10-29-2006, 07:37 PM

Give these a try:
3-3-3-8
tRFC=13
Max Async. Latency=8
Tref=1032
Those settings should be good for ~250 (considering 278 3-4-4-8 was stable). If you want to tweak them better, read this thread:
http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=170999

eXa

10-29-2006, 07:44 PM

no no, i was considering buying new ram, thats where the 3,4,4,8 cam in.
My ram cant do that! only cas affect the oc on infinion chips. so i wont get higher with 3,3,3,5 or 3,3,3,8... but i could try though. But as you can se that aint my main problem anymore(i think) unless thoose other settings is what keeps me from getting past 310ht...

EDit: oh nice link, thanks. Maybe its Max async latency\read preample wich is bugging me now? will try higher there tommorrow and se if that helps!

Edit2: Dammit! not even 310 was stable, failed after like 40min. oh this got to be something else than cpu. it runs 2.7 @ 1,325 fine but not 2,79 @ 1.4.. thats not right.
Ok back to 295 with 166divider on ram (241mhz), lets se if that is stable, if so that will be my starting point....

Grayskull

10-29-2006, 09:19 PM

Someone closed Titac's thread about RD580 HT O/C so I figured this is as good a place for this:

http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=133963

This is on a production Sapphire A9RD580 that I dusted off and I am writing this message at these speeds. I just wanted to see what good ole Manta would do before taking a stab at Sturgeon (AM2). As you can see, it's not too shabby. Especially for all air cooling.

The trick here is that the async latency needs to change near ~HTT=320MHz to 8ns. After that, it needs to change again at ~HTT=360MHz to 9ns. Then again at ~HTT=390MHz to 10ns. Your results may vary, but the whole point of the board is that it has all the knobs to tune whatever you need.

It's good to see people using the boards as they were intended. ;)

Revv23

10-29-2006, 09:22 PM

hey grayskull you are still alive, good to see you!!

eXa

10-30-2006, 12:37 AM

Okay, primesstable for 4hours+ going to change to F@H now while im at work!

eXa

10-30-2006, 02:16 AM

oh dont wanna be at work. want to go home and tweak more... try async 8. oh sleep a little would be sweet too, 4hours aint enough.

eXa

10-30-2006, 04:03 PM

Ok Back in testing mode.

little more info about 133divider. It seemes it doesnt like the low speed on my ram with htt @ 200 or something, but if i set htt to 295(my rock stable setting) and then reboot and change to 133 it workes!

Hm tried 8 async but prime doesnt even fail @ 315, the machine just freezes... so that didnt help.

Lowerer multi to 8 and now im trying again. seemes more stable now...

Edit: Priming for long time now as i lowered multi to 8. is it just my cpu wich is holding med back???? :confused:

Edit2: *slapss my forhead* daam, i primed at 295htt, forgott to upp to 315....:rolleyes:

Edit3: well seemes stable at 315htt too... is it my cpu then?

Edit4: 320htt seemed stable too, just took a chance and went straight for 330htt...

Edit5: Well priming 340htt now... seemes like ive got some issuse with my cpu then... *depressed*

Edit: system froze @ 340htt. think ill call it a day. need sleep!

eXa

11-01-2006, 06:46 PM

ok. trying with more voltage on the cpu now. lets see if its stable @ 315htt now!

Edit: Okay so a little more voltage was all that i needed. primed for an hour now. will try 320htt now!

eXa

11-01-2006, 08:58 PM

What does "Dll disable" do?

eXa

11-02-2006, 04:05 PM

Okay, im stuck. been testing 325htt all night but no matter what i do i cant get it stable.
When u start priming it starts with 1024k FFT length and then moves on to 8k
but 1 core (the same) always fail in the first minute in the 8k FFT lenght test.
Ive tried alot but nothing makes a difference. Using 1.5v now.
Cant my cpu do even 2.9ghz? :confused: anyone got any idea?

Priming 320htt now just to really check if its stable there...

learners permit

11-04-2006, 04:24 PM

My 165 peaks at 318X9 not a mhz higher no matter what I try.

eXa

11-04-2006, 04:43 PM

what stepping? im going to try with more voltage to see if its that it wants. used 1.5v last time i tried. but think maybe i need to improve cooling. really weak pump!

learners permit

11-05-2006, 04:24 AM

Ccb1e 0609 Fpmw

eXa

11-08-2006, 02:01 PM

Startet testing a bit more. Seemes like my cpu just hit a wall and refuses to move on. trying to get 325 stable but it wont. Trying with 1,56v now. Maybe its heat that does it? Core temp shows 53c on core 0 and 65c on core 1 interresting enough, its always core 0 who fails. It fails in 8k length on prime95

Man, start to really belive that this cpu needs to strip! so big difference between idle and load!

hope a new pump gives me some better temps!

eXa

11-08-2006, 02:54 PM

i give up... atleast for now!

setteling with 320htt. Using a64info to get the right ram speed (150divider\240fsb) Maybe if i buy a ddc-2 petra and storm later, ill try more!

Rolle2k

11-08-2006, 03:27 PM

i really would love to have that 150divider in the bios.. it's a really big step without it :(

eXa

11-08-2006, 08:00 PM

Yeah!

Rolle2k

11-13-2006, 11:56 AM

Okay i just found out that my booting issue above 315HTT was not because of high HTT but rather because that i changed ramdivider to 133... does anybody have any idea of why my rig doesnt like running 133 divider?

eXa

11-13-2006, 12:10 PM

hmm trouble with 133 u too? tried tref?

Edit: Tref should match divider. default is 200 7,8 so i tried 133 7,8 but had to use 133 15,6....

Rolle2k

11-13-2006, 02:36 PM

hmm, will try that later... but why can't anybody just add a 150 divider into the bios :(

eXa

11-13-2006, 05:32 PM

tictac

11-13-2006, 10:07 PM

Rolle2k

11-16-2006, 10:09 AM

dont wait for it from sapphire atleast. And i think grayskull is kinda almost finnished with 939 and all over am2 but i dont know!

It aint like dfi where u get a new bios every week!

i kinda settled with it. Almost never turn of my computer so i can live with it. Just use A64info to tweak the last bit after i started up....

150 divider IS possible with the AMI bios.. i mailed Tony about this and he gave me the answer... just select the 166 divider, and then under the ram settings put the option "Odd Divisor Correct" to enabled, and then you will be running on the 150 divider.. the bios at boot will still say it's 166 running, but if you check your ramspeed with cpu-z or so, then you will se the right speed.
Running 330x9 stable now :)

Here you can find the dump - http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=138783

eXa

11-16-2006, 02:44 PM

Woot!:woot:
is that whats its for! nice!

do you know wich speed i get with the other dividers?

Rolle2k

11-16-2006, 03:50 PM

I actually have no idea... but this was really great for me.. as the 133 divider wouldn't boot for me then i could run 2.8GHz at max (if i didn't want to run the rams on the 100 divider)..

Marlowe

11-16-2006, 06:05 PM

150 divider IS possible with the AMI bios.. i mailed Tony about this and he gave me the answer... just select the 166 divider, and then under the ram settings put the option "Odd Divisor Correct" to enabled, and then you will be running on the 150 divider.. the bios at boot will still say it's 166 running, but if you check your ramspeed with cpu-z or so, then you will se the right speed.
Running 330x9 stable now :)

Here you can find the dump - http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc?id=138783Very nice!

Thank you very much for that info :toast:

I would be more active here if it wasn't for my defect RAM wich has a tendency to corrupt and rape my disk.. :(

Keep OC'ing :D

eXa

11-17-2006, 03:49 PM

Ah nice, enabled odd diversor corect and bumped the htt a bit. works like a charm. just like 150divider.