Dud/borked X1900?

[masterofpuppets]

I've got another thread in general hardware, but I'm getting no help at all, as helpful as an umbrella in a desert (yeah, crappy comparison :P). I've got an X1900XT, flashed to XTX, and it's pretty much 100% useless. It crashes constantly in 2D and 3D (at LESS than stock clocks, think 450/550) without the fan at 100%, and at stock crashes even then. I've played around with voltages (raising a little and lowering in ATiTool) and it's the same story. It'll sometimes blackscreen while gaming at random, with no warning signs or artifacts, locking up, but sound/input returning a few secs after the signal has been lost. I get the same in AtiTool artifact tester at the aforementioned lowered clocks. My load temps are usually around 78-80 in artifact tester, but I know they get alot higher in CS:S and other games judging by the exhaust air. I know it's probably a dud card, but I'd still like to point it to one particular component on the card before I RMA it. Since it's an XT, I'll probably get an un-XTX flashable card from ATi when I RMA it, if so, I'm gonna continue sending it back to them until they send me a 1.1ns card. I don't want no 1.2 (or whatever the usual XT RAM is) BS ;) :fact: .

Anybody got any input?

EDIT: Forgot to add, I've tried to diagnose the problems to my PSU, mobo and even Windows installation, without success.

[cantankerous]

flashing the XT to XTX hasn't really gained anyone anything so I don't know why you bothered, or anyone for that matter. As for 1.2ns ram over 1.1ns? There is no difference. They get about the same with an overclock. No one really ever hits the full potential of either, especially when overclocking with ATItool as the timings are greatly reduced netting you lower clock potential but at higher performance. Instead of goofing with ATItool have you tried to see how the card runs with just the ati drivers and CCC? Run it with those only allowing CCC to change to 3D mode and back when it needs to at default clocks. IF that works fine max CCC overdrive and see how that does. I think people are trying too much too fast with ATItool without fully understand how the card works or what it is capable of or not. I am sure your card is fine. I hear about problems like this with everyone who tries to OC this card too aggresively.

The black screen is VPU recover kicking in stoping signal to the monitor to avoid damage to the card. It usually happens from lack of voltage when it is needed. I too get this, and everyone for that matter if pushing your card too far.

If you are stubborn and still going to use ATItool make sure you set voltage to about 1.42 before upping the clocks and dont do much more than 630/650 to see how that does.

Best of luck, keep us informed.

[HousERaT]

You have a 1900XT card that's been flashed to XTX and you wonder why it crashes? Then you're going to send the RMA back to ATI if you get one with 1.2ns memory until you get one that's 1.1ns memory. I guess you're not willing to take any responsibility for this huh?

[masterofpuppets]

flashing the XT to XTX hasn't really gained anyone anything so I don't know why you bothered, or anyone for that matter. As for 1.2ns ram over 1.1ns? There is no difference. They get about the same with an overclock. No one really ever hits the full potential of either, especially when overclocking with ATItool as the timings are greatly reduced netting you lower clock potential but at higher performance. Instead of goofing with ATItool have you tried to see how the card runs with just the ati drivers and CCC? Run it with those only allowing CCC to change to 3D mode and back when it needs to at default clocks. IF that works fine max CCC overdrive and see how that does. I think people are trying too much too fast with ATItool without fully understand how the card works or what it is capable of or not. I am sure your card is fine. I hear about problems like this with everyone who tries to OC this card too aggresively.

The black screen is VPU recover kicking in stoping signal to the monitor to avoid damage to the card. It usually happens from lack of voltage when it is needed. I too get this, and everyone for that matter if pushing your card too far.

If you are stubborn and still going to use ATItool make sure you set voltage to about 1.42 before upping the clocks and dont do much more than 630/650 to see how that does.

Best of luck, keep us informed.
I'm not quite sure you read my entire post, I can't even run at or below stock, let alone overclocked. The card was flashed to XTX when I bought it (from the FS section right here on XS). The previous owner said they had gotten 740 or something along those lines at very low voltage (1.4 or something they claimed). I don't know if they made a typo or were lying, but this card certainly will not do those clocks, especially at those volts. They said the card was working fine for them. Then there is the fact that the card was working fine here for about 2 weeks before problems started, the problems started before I even started using ATiTool.

EDIT: You have a 1900XT card that's been flashed to XTX and you wonder why it crashes? Then you're going to send the RMA back to ATI if you get one with 1.2ns memory until you get one that's 1.1ns memory. I guess you're not willing to take any responsibility for this huh?
It worked perfectly for quite a while before all this crap started, and the previous owner had no troubles with it (he flashed it to XTX, not me). Don't start criticising me, I bought a card and I expect it to perform as it is supposed to. I have not made any error myself, I am just trying to get it running as advertised in it's FS thread.

EDIT 2: And consider that it doesn't even run below stock clocks, or at XT clocks either, at various voltages. Maybe you people should learn to read entire posts before spouting criticism and garbage at me, thanks.

EDIT 3: I just contradicted myself there :( cantankerous, it does the same thing with VPU recover off, black screen, then no signal and then input and audio return.

[ahmad]

Are you seriously running those voltages that high? 12.6v and 3.7v on the rails doesn't seem healthy to me at all. Its possible you bonked the card running at those volts.

[masterofpuppets]

I started raising the 12v to combat that issue (thinking it was my PSU), and it actually helped, temporarily (then the problems started again). I need my 3.3v rail that high, cause there is no way I'm feeding my RAM from my 5v rail, I don't want a borked mobo too ;)

[masterofpuppets]

Ok, don't start calling me unethical (this isn't the time nor place, and this doesn't hurt anybody if I pull it off, plus the fact the problems probably aren't caused by the BIOS flash), but I'm gonna RMA it, and I need to know if anybody knows where I can find a Built by ATi XT BIOS? I can find a Sapphire one, which might work, but if they find that out, they'll know probably deny the RMA. The final 3 digits of the part number are different on Sapphire cards, which is what I'm worried about. Any mods, please feel free to close this if you think it's wrong, but you'll be wasting ALOT of my time and money, there is no way I can just buy another card on this budget :fact:

[einCe]

you ever try flashing it back?

[Nanometer]

You flash the card and complain it doesnt work right. Please tell me that sounds a little odd to you?

[masterofpuppets]

You flash the card and complain it doesnt work right. Please tell me that sounds a little odd to you?
God, doesn't anybody read?! I did not flash the card myself, I bought it flashed from a member on these forums, and it was working flawlessly for quite a large amount of time before these problems started. How much clearer do I have to make it?! Sorry for exploding like that, but it just irritates me how many times I have to say something before people actually listen.

you ever try flashing it back?
Yep, using the Sapphire XT BIOS on here now, same old problems.

[Repoman]

Hmm, maybe these cards just can't take the heat :confused: Let us know if your new one works OK, I'm glad I'm putting mine under water when it comes

[Nosfer@tu]

First.

Just because you dident flash the gfx card dosent mean you have the rigth to RMA it. You bougth a card that was flashed and ergo there is no warranty!

If the bios was just flashed to update it to a newer bios that would be one problem, but to a faster model. Nope.

And just because you cant afford a new one dosent make it okay to RMA it! Ati will have to pay for your/ the old owners mistakes and that is amoral.

I understand that you want to, but keep it to your self. It is against the Forum Policies and you should know that with more than 3000 posts.

Dont take it personal. but you would say the same thing to another user. Now it is just your money and that propperly hurts alot more.

10. Theft, Fraudulant activities & RMA's
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[masterofpuppets]

First.Just because you dident flash the gfx card dosent mean you have the rigth to RMA it. You bougth a card that was flashed and ergo there is no warranty!

If the bios was just flashed to update it to a newer bios that would be one problem, but to a faster model. Nope.

And just because you cant afford a new one dosent make it okay to RMA it! Ati will have to pay for your/ the old owners mistakes and that is amoral.

I understand that you want to, but keep it to your self. It is against the Forum Policies and you should know that with more than 3000 posts.

Dont take it personal. but you would say the same thing to another user. Now it is just your money and that propperly hurts alot more.

10. Theft, Fraudulant activities & RMA's
The management of this Forum does not condone theft, trading in stolen property, fraudulent return of merchandise, or the aiding and abetting of those who do. Any such discussions regarding stolen property or fraudulent returns will be dealt with swiftly, and the offending member risks complete loss of membership privileges in our Forums.
Well said. I'll keep this discussion out of XS. Could a mod delete this? I'm not saying I won't try and RMA it, but I'm not saying I will either. I'll leave it totally up to your imaginations :rolleyes:

[dogsx2]

Ok, don't start calling me unethical (this isn't the time nor place, and this doesn't hurt anybody if I pull it off, plus the fact the problems probably aren't caused by the BIOS flash), but I'm gonna RMA it, and I need to know if anybody knows where I can find a Built by ATi XT BIOS? I can find a Sapphire one, which might work, but if they find that out, they'll know probably deny the RMA. The final 3 digits of the part number are different on Sapphire cards, which is what I'm worried about. Any mods, please feel free to close this if you think it's wrong, but you'll be wasting ALOT of my time and money, there is no way I can just buy another card on this budget :fact:

OK, your not unethical. If you rma it you just a plain crook.:nono: I sure hope they send it back like they got it.

I doesn't hurt anybody?????? That is the mind of a very small child about to try and steal a candy bar when mama is busy shopping.

I sure hope a mod doesn't delete it. It shows what you are.:rolleyes:

[Nosfer@tu]

OK, your not unethical. If you rma it you just a plain crook.:nono: I sure hope they send it back like they got it.

I doesn't hurt anybody?????? That is the mind of a very small child about to try and steal a candy bar when mama is busy shopping.

Not very polite to compare the man with a child.

And btw, it is VERY easy to be moraly correct when it is not your money on the line.

The guy ses that problem him self, end of dissution.

[dogsx2]

Not very polite to compare the man with a child.

And btw, it is VERY easy to be moraly correct when it is not your money on the line.

The guy ses that problem him self, end of dissution.

:ROTF: If you think that no one gets hurt when you defraud a business, then you are thinking like a little kid.

If my money was on the line, I still wouldn't try to ram it.

I'm not saying I won't try and RMA it, but I'm not saying I will either. I'll leave it totally up to your imaginations

That says he is going to rma it but doesn't want any heat on it.

end of dissution

Not sure if you mean end of discussion or what??? But your probably right on that.

[masterofpuppets]

OK, your not unethical. If you rma it you just a plain crook.:nono: I sure hope they send it back like they got it.

I doesn't hurt anybody?????? That is the mind of a very small child about to try and steal a candy bar when mama is busy shopping.

I sure hope a mod doesn't delete it. It shows what you are.:rolleyes:
Please get out of my thread, I've asked a mod to close/remove it, and that's the end of it. It's not your money, or your card on the line is it? You are not in my shoes. And the fact remains, that the issue is within the card itself, not the BIOS. That's an error on ATi's part and I'd expect them to rectify it.

[masterofpuppets]

:ROTF: If you think that no one gets hurt when you defraud a business, then you are thinking like a little kid.

If my money was on the line, I still wouldn't try to ram it.



That says he is going to rma it but doesn't want any heat on it.



Not sure if you mean end of discussion or what??? But your probably right on that.
You cannot seriously tell me you would not attempt to RMA the card in my shoes, that's lying out of your teeth. I'm pretty sure ATi don't return rejected RMA's, so if they didn't like that I was RMA'ing the card, they'd just simply not return it, and aside from a few nasty emails their way, that'd be the end of that and I'd be out of a bit of money. If they reject it, I'll get what is "morally" coming to me.

[dogsx2]

You cannot seriously tell me you would not attempt to RMA the card in my shoes, that's lying out of your teeth.

You don't even know me and your going to tell me I'm lying out of my teeth? I've had hardware go bad that was my fault and I did not try to rma it. You must have missed a whole lot of threads that were about this very subject. There are plenty of people who would not rma it on this forum. There are plenty of people who think like you on this forum also.

There is no need to say everyone is like you or they're lying. Just accept that some people are honest.

[masterofpuppets]

You don't even know me and your going to tell me I'm lying out of my teeth? I've had hardware go bad that was my fault and I did not try to rma it. You must have missed a whole lot of threads that were about this very subject. There are plenty of people who would not rma it on this forum. There are plenty of people who think like you on this forum also.

There is no need to say everyone is like you or they're lying. Just accept that some people are honest.
I know many people on this forum that would RMA in my position without delay, and that's something you need to accept. RMA wasn't my first option, I've tried everything I can. But in the end, it's my money, and that's far more important than what, $500 being indirectly stolen from a company that has $millions. I'm lucky to be able to get this hardware, ATi could crap hundreds of X1900's without worrying about budget :fact: It's illegal, but in all honesty, it's fair in my position. And why hasn't a mod got rid of this yet? :rolleyes:

[Repoman]

Please get out of my thread, I've asked a mod to close/remove it, and that's the end of it. It's not your money, or your card on the line is it? You are not in my shoes. And the fact remains, that the issue is within the card itself, not the BIOS. That's an error on ATi's part and I'd expect them to rectify it.

I've got to say I agree with this.. overclocking doesn't void the warranty (does it?) as ATI allows it. And the only difference between the XTX and XT BIOS are a few MHz..

The issue is with the card, I had an XFX 7800GTX that stopped giving power to itself after OC'd and aftermarket cooled for a couple months. My fault? No, Nvidia's/XFX's, I RMAed it :rolleyes:

[masterofpuppets]

I've got to say I agree with this.. overclocking doesn't void the warranty (does it?) as ATI allows it. And the only difference between the XTX and XT BIOS are a few MHz..

The issue is with the card, I had an XFX 7800GTX that stopped giving power to itself after OC'd and aftermarket cooled for a couple months. My fault? No, Nvidia's/XFX's, I RMAed it :rolleyes:
Exactly. Even though, I suppose ATi consider it a warranty void, the issue is not a result of the BIOS, it's a fault on ATi's part, which despite the BIOS flash, they should rectify. If I flashed the card, on a highly overclocked system, and it crashed half way due to my overclocking, then I would probably think twice about RMA'ing it, but the fact of the matter is that I've done nothing wrong, ATi have.