Anyone oc-ing X1800GTO?

[Winterwind]

no one has that card yet? or is it just me but i cant find any oc results:(
R520 should oc quite well, especially with 12 pipes..

[SnipingWaste]

Just noticed the cooler on the X1800GTO and the X1800XL is not the same. The X1800GTO has a bigger fan on it then the X1800XL cooler. This might help OCing for the X1800GTO.

[Winterwind]

Just noticed the cooler on the X1800GTO and the X1800XL is not the same. The X1800GTO has a bigger fan on it then the X1800XL cooler. This might help OCing for the X1800GTO.
you have GTO? try it, if it has bigger fan then it should be more quieter?
but well, i dont care about that, i have water anyways.. i just want to know how the card acts and does it have soft voltage adjustments like X1800/X1900:rolleyes:

[Winterwind]

Hmm i would say find some reviews about the card :p
they are old, back from 7600GT lauch, nothing good to find.
but then card wasnt @ stock but now it is

[althes]

Ok first thing about the card you have to use the driver disk.
They seem to be modified cats.
Regular drivers are not recognizing the card

[althes]

I am running the card on a dfi rs482 infinity board with gskill bh5 ram everything is at stock.

[althes]

I am going to try an overclock with ati tool, it has 12 pipes
500/500
Atitool .25 beta 14 doesnt read the temps so here goes.
Going to run a quick 3d06

[althes]

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/5996/test14dc.jpg
This is a stock run on everything will be back later.
The card is a lot less beefier that the x1900xt or the x1800xt.
Using the sapphire card for all those wanting to know.
May try to flash the bios tonite for the x1800xt or the x1800xl.

[Winterwind]

06 is low cos singelcore and no oc..
try to oc cpu little bit and run 05 and 03:D
also vga oc would be nice and try XL/XT bios, maybe those 4 pipelines will open

[althes]

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7843/test23d035tm.jpg

[althes]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3968/test23d056zv.jpg

[NickS]

Seem's very very very similar to X800GTO! :S

Nick

[althes]

I oc the cpu to 11*260 had to use divider for the ram
This is the max oc on card with stock heatsink
http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/1379/test23d03a9aj.jpg

[althes]

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/6858/test23d05a3dj.jpg

[althes]

http://img435.imageshack.us/img435/8124/test3d065cc.jpg

[althes]

I think this card needs a vgpu mod bad and we definitely have to see if it can flash to 16pipes right not the card isnt realy worth it.
Will play some fear and bf2 on it and some doom see how it goes

[Winterwind]

so, no voltage adjustment from soft?
and you have 2.0ns mem?

[r3w4]

What's the average price on this card? If some one can pull a x800gto2 on this, it might be worth buying.

[WC Annihilus]

Around $230-$250 or so, $200 if you're willing to deal with rebates (and you actually get them)

HIS GTO at Monarch (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190828&Category_Code=rebates)

Connect3D GTO at Monarch (http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190827&Category_Code=rebates)

Sapphire OEM and Powercolor GTO at Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1067920639&Subcategory=48&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ATTR1=&ATTR2=&ATTR3=&ATTR4=2010380048+1067920639&ATTR5=&ATTR6=&ATTR7=&ATTR8=&ATTR9=&ATTR10=&ATTR11=&ATTR12=&ATTR13=&ATTR14=&ATTR15=&ATTR16=&ATTR17=&ATTR18=&ATTR19=)

[Winterwind]

card should work fine in crossfire without dongles and s*it..
thats why im interested.. X1800GTO CF and Conroe should be quite nice..

btw, althes u are saying that X1600XT CF is faster that one X1800GTO?
i doubt it, maybe in 3dmarks but not in games?

i tried X1600PRO CF and got some nice results aswell, but in Oblivion
my X700PRO kicks X1600PRO CF a*s.. i know its because X700 lacks SM3
but its faster anyways:p:

[einCe]

card should work fine in crossfire without dongles and s*it..
thats why im interested.. X1800GTO CF and Conroe should be quite nice..

btw, althes u are saying that X1600XT CF is faster that one X1800GTO?
i doubt it, maybe in 3dmarks but not in games?

i tried X1600PRO CF and got some nice results aswell, but in Oblivion
my X700PRO kicks X1600PRO CF a*s.. i know its because X700 lacks SM3
but its faster anyways:p:
theres no crossfire support for oblivion yet. wait for next drivers

[althes]

card should work fine in crossfire without dongles and s*it..
thats why im interested.. X1800GTO CF and Conroe should be quite nice..

btw, althes u are saying that X1600XT CF is faster that one X1800GTO?
i doubt it, maybe in 3dmarks but not in games?

i tried X1600PRO CF and got some nice results aswell, but in Oblivion
my X700PRO kicks X1600PRO CF a*s.. i know its because X700 lacks SM3
but its faster anyways:p:
No way this board is alot better that x1600xt
I am saying the board is not ready yet until we can some cf numbers and some voltage adjustments

[Winterwind]

I am saying the board is not ready yet until we can some cf numbers and some voltage adjustments
but does it have 2.0ns mem or better?

[mascaras]

8000 marks with stokcooler and with CPU only at 2850MHZ :clap:


it looks like this this X1800GTO roks , and this only with 12 pipes :D

have you try any MOD to 16 pipelines???

[althes]

2.0ns mem

[althes]

going to try it shortly

[althes]

It has the r520 core card was built in taiwan

[HousERaT]

this could get interesting if the other four pipes open.

[Winterwind]

this could get interesting if the other four pipes open.
R520 should go ~800mhz easily with wc and 1,575v, atleast it will go with 16 pipes XT/XL..

GPU @ 800mhz = nice scores:p:
low ram clock doest matter so much because it is 256bit
and gpu has 12 pipes..
i think overclocked GTO will own überclocked 7600GT

[Miwo]

wait so X1800GTO voltage cannot be adjusted through software like the X1800XL and XT via ATI Tool? :(

Is the board layout completely different?

[Winterwind]

results?:(

[[XC] Aerosupra]

06 is low cos singelcore and no oc..
try to oc cpu little bit and run 05 and 03:D
also vga oc would be nice and try XL/XT bios, maybe those 4 pipelines will open

you can't, it has 12 pipes active, no more, its a different core than XL or XT :fact: , x1800gto isnt like a x800gto locked, you can only raise the clock to OC, cuz there's nothing to unlock

[HousERaT]

you can't, it has 12 pipes active, no more, its a different core than XL or XT :fact: , x1800gto isnt like a x800gto locked, you can only raise the clock to OC, cuz there's nothing to unlock
so the core isn't a R520? Any idea what core the card uses?

[Winterwind]

you can't, it has 12 pipes active, no more, its a different core than XL or XT :fact:

it is? it is R520 and R520 has 16 pixel pipelines

[mascaras]

so the core isn't a R520? Any idea what core the card uses?


its de R520 core same core as XT and XL

[KoHaN69]

someone flash it already!!!


I'm getting itchy for a $200 x1800xt :D
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190827&Category_Code=rebates

[mascaras]

someone flash it already!!!




who already flash x1800GTO???

[althes]

Problem is what bios do I use to flash all the xl and xt bios use 1.2ns and 1.4ns ram this uses 2.0ns.
I have a couple sapphire bioses to try but waiting on better cooling ordered a couple vf900 should come tomorrow then I try and flash see what happens.

[KoHaN69]

modified the bios w/ RaBit

[Pyr0]

apart from flashrom, is there another prog that can extract the bios image?

[KoHaN69]

apart from flashrom, is there another prog that can extract the bios image?

ati tray tools
or
ati tool

[MrSlacker]

i'll post up some OCing results in a few days :banana:

[Miwo]

The sooner the better! Do you actually have this card now?

I am most interested to know if you can still adjust voltage through software, and how well core/mem overclock.

[MrSlacker]

The sooner the better! Do you actually have this card now?

I am most interested to know if you can still adjust voltage through software, and how well core/mem overclock.
My card is in the mail. Should be here on friday/saturday (USPS)

[Pyr0]

any time i try to adjust the voltage on the card with the ATI X1800 Overclocker (http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/89) software it locks up :( :shrug:

[edit]
i tried ati tool to extract the bios, but it just extracted a zero byte image, same thing with ati tray tools :(

[dqniel]

Everything I can find online says "the x1800gto should be moddable to 16pp" but I haven't found a single conclusive finding where somebody has done it. Please, somebody needs to play around with the BIOS and confirm this!

[KoHaN69]

Everything I can find online says "the x1800gto should be moddable to 16pp" but I haven't found a single conclusive finding where somebody has done it. Please, somebody needs to play around with the BIOS and confirm this!


roger

c'mon ppl!! FLASH!!

[Pyr0]

if i could get the bios off my card i might try to mod it, but i don't have a floppy drive at the moment so i can't use flashrom

[bigval]

If this card can unlock to 16 PP and clock up nice, it will be one SWEET budget performer.

[KoHaN69]

if i could get the bios off my card i might try to mod it, but i don't have a floppy drive at the moment so i can't use flashrom

usb stick?

[Pyr0]

usb stick?
hehe, i'm afraid i don't have one of those either :(

[KoHaN69]

hehe, i'm afraid i don't have one of those either :(
cd... dvd... make bootable w/ nero and save bios to ur c:\ drive

c'mon!!

[Pyr0]

lol, i just found that ATIWinflash (http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads/Utilities/BIOS_Flashing/ATI) works to extract the bios

i've attached it to this post:
45598

any tips for trying to unlock it or anything?
this is the first ATI card i've ever tried

rabit doesn't have any options for the ammount of pipelines :shrug:

[Kasparz]

Flash x1800XL.

[Frodin]

I think I read that the MSI x1800XL also used 2.0ns mem, that could perhaps be a bios to try

EDIT: HIS x1800GTO flash to 16 pipes http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91929&page=5

[Pyr0]

well i flashed an asus XL bios to the GTO, but the pipelines still read 12 :(
looks like my card is not unlockable

anybody have anything else to try?

[KoHaN69]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D210883&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dx1800gto%2Bbios%2B2.0ns%26hl%3Den%26h s%3DRYa%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DG
(sampsa/german speakers: help on the translation plz)

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6774/ubersicht217ee2ec.png
__________________________________________________ _________________________________(^typo, x1800gto has only 12 pixel shaders)

So the x1800XL bios?



another thread:
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:f-mNrP8yKyMJ:forums.amd.com/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D72303+x1800gto++%22pixel+s haders%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=12&client=firefox-a



Apparently some are suggesting it's laser cut; hopefully, there may be a pencil-trick guide on its way

[HousERaT]

seeing how the GTO has more pixel shaders, I'd try and hack the original bios rather than use a XL bios.

[KoHaN69]

seeing how the GTO has more pixel shaders, I'd try and hack the original bios rather than use a XL bios.

THAT'S a typo!! It's impossible to have more pixelshaders with less pipelines on the same model of core. THe x1800gto has 12 pixel shaders!

[althes]

I seriously doubt its possible from what I am seeing

[KoHaN69]

I seriously doubt its possible from what I am seeing

And what are you seeing?
Please be elaborate. Post comments with evidence, not opinions.

[althes]

well i flashed an asus XL bios to the GTO, but the pipelines still read 12 :(
looks like my card is not unlockable

anybody have anything else to try?
Flash using the sapphire x1800xl bios.
I am waiting on some better cooling attach to mine then I will flash it.

[Shadowmage]

do this ASAP :D

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1378909#post1378909

[SnipingWaste]

Just noticeds somthing at newegg. The HIS X1800GTO has 6 phases power as shown on there pics of the card. All the X1800XL and X1800GTO has 5 phase power on them. The HIS X1800GTO might be a 256 meg X1800TX with a X1800XL cooler on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161004

[althes]

I think he maybe right about the HIS.
The powercolor and my sapphire only have 5 also.

[Pyr0]

Flash using the sapphire x1800xl bios.
I am waiting on some better cooling attach to mine then I will flash it.

flashed using the sapphire XL bios from techPowerUp, still only 12 pipes enabled :(

[Miwo]

Flash with the bios and files from the link at Hkepc..

[althes]

I will tomorrow after work.
Will report back as soon as I do

[SnipingWaste]

flashed using the sapphire XL bios from techPowerUp, still only 12 pipes enabled :(
This might need a moded BIOS and moded Flash program. The X800GTO needed a moded BIOS and flash program to unlock to 16 pipelines. Just using the standered ATI flash and X800XT BIOS would not work on X800GTOs and I think its the same with the X1800GTO.

[Rick Hunter]

Just noticeds somthing at newegg. The HIS X1800GTO has 6 phases power as shown on there pics of the card. All the X1800XL and X1800GTO has 5 phase power on them. The HIS X1800GTO might be a 256 meg X1800TX with a X1800XL cooler on it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161004

Good catch!
I'm trying to find the HIS in Canada as Newegg won't ship it here. So far, the official Canadian distributor has no record of the HIS X1800 GTO (or the X1800 XT 256 MB) lol. :\

[Pyr0]

Flash with the bios and files from the link at Hkepc..
still 12 pipes :(
the only thing that seems to have changed is the core clock speed, which increased to 520MHz

[KoHaN69]

still 12 pipes :(
the only thing that seems to have changed is the core clock speed, which increased to 520MHz

What card do u have? exdact model? core/mem?

[althes]

If he has the sapphire, hkepc used the HIS model that maybe the catch.

[KoHaN69]

What about Connect3D :/

[MrSlacker]

any more progress? my sapphire x1800gto should be here soon and wanted to play around with it...

[DILLY]

Have the X1800 GTO 32 ALus ?:slobber:

[Kasparz]

Its just typo.

[Winterwind]

so, only HIS GTO can open pipes?
what about Club3d or others? they have 5 voltage regulators instead of 6

[althes]

wow they are saying it was fake now

[DILLY]

And anyone new news ?

[Pyr0]

What card do u have? exdact model? core/mem?
it's a standard reference card from ATI
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9062/x1800core3oq.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x1800core3oq.jpg)

it has samsung K4J55323QG-BC20 memory


And anyone new news ?
yeah...

it doesn't work :P

i can't even adjust voltages with software :(

[DILLY]

it's a standard reference card from ATI
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9062/x1800core3oq.th.jpg (http://img442.imageshack.us/my.php?image=x1800core3oq.jpg)

it has samsung K4J55323QG-BC20 memory



yeah...

it doesn't work :P

i can't even adjust voltages with software :(

I thinck the oc tools supported the X1800 GTO not jet.far Cry with patch 1.4 HDR-AA run not.

Sry for bad english..:(

[MrSlacker]

got my GTO..will have OCing resultsts tomorow

[althes]

The gto's will not run in xfire.
I have a a HIS and Sapphire.
The HIS wont go over 530/585
Man these have to be crippled cores

[Pyr0]

:( i managed 560/603, i need some working voltage adjustments

[DILLY]

What is with flash jou flash the card ?

[Pyr0]

i'm back on the original bios that came with the card, flashing to any other bios did not seem to have any benefits at all

[althes]

I am going to flash the HIS card in the next hour.
Testing the vf900 on the sapphire card.
Will be back shortly

[Winterwind]

I am going to flash the HIS card in the next hour.
Testing the vf900 on the sapphire card.
Will be back shortly
hardmod anyone? maybe gpu is undervoltaged and thats why it doesnt oc

[Marlowe]

The X1800GTO gpu has the same voltage as the XL variant according to KoHaN69's chart on the other page.

Watching this thread with interest! Good luck, althes!

[Marlowe]

I am going to flash the HIS card in the next hour.
Testing the vf900 on the sapphire card.
Will be back shortlyAny updates?

[MrSlacker]

my card runs VERY hot for reason.. Core's max is about 550 and mem is not much better.... i think i need better cooling coz 55C idle is too much

[althes]

Just flashed no change

[althes]

That was a hoax

[althes]

We need a voltmod because the gpu is really undervolted.
I think the memory could use some volts also.

[SnipingWaste]

We need a voltmod because the gpu is really undervolted.
I think the memory could use some volts also.
What memory was on the HIS X1800GTO?

[KoHaN69]

Connect3D x1800 GTO UNLOCKED

i think i have had success unlocking my connect3d x1800gto. i have tried to post my results at ocworkbench.com but there isn't much activity there relative to videocards. since you guys seem to be pretty interested, i thought i would let you know about my findings.

since my registration on this site hasn't gone through yet, i thought i could try PMing some of yall. i have posted the details in a gaming forum that i moderate, including a snapshot of the ATITool readout and the newly edited bios. it turns out that my original bios was exactly the same as pyr0's, so yall may have some luck.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1222326

He's still in pending registration process @ XS, and thats his PM, cuz he cant post yet

[Pyr0]

i just recieved the same pm
i tried the hacked bios, flashed with atiflash and ATIWinflash 1.05 but still have 12 pipes
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8629/atitool6sk.png

i noticed the GB_PIPE_SELECT is different tho, mine is 0xAD4E and his is 0x3FE4, :shrug: would that have anything to do with it?

[KoHaN69]

Pyro- your x1800gto is direct retail from ATI ?

5 or 6 voltage regulators?

[Pyr0]

it's a sample from ati, with 5 voltage regs

[althes]

What memory was on the HIS X1800GTO?
2.0ns it won't go past 590 without major artifacts

[althes]

THE HIS I have has 6 voltage regulators so lets hope when I flash it this evening that is the missing link.

[ocbrasil]

Just flashed a GeCube. No change :(

[Pyr0]

according to Bgnome, his unlocked connect3d card only has 5 voltage regulators

[MrSlacker]

Just got the PM too.. I will wait for some more confirmations before flashing it.

[lewdvig]

I have a Sapphire X1800GTO bought on the weekend. The HKEPC bios did not work, nor did the Saphire XL BIOS from Tech Powerup. So stuck with 12 pipes for now.

I am able to get a stable 599/599 with no artifacts. Pushing to just over 600 on core and mem results in a hard lock. More volts might help.

http://rage3d.com/board/showthread.php?t=33851710

3DMark05:
my old X850XT PE (560/607) = 7031
X1800GTO 12 pipes (500/495) = 6527
X1800GTO 12 pipes (575/550) = 7101 (ATI Overdrive) and CPU at 325*8
X1800GTO 12 pipes (575/495) = 7200 CPU at 325*8
X1800GTO 12 pipes (599/599) = 7933 CPU at 325*8

[MrSlacker]

I have a Sapphire X1800GTO bought on the weekend. The HKEPC bios did not work, nor did the Saphire XL BIOS from Tech Powerup. So stuck with 12 pipes for now.

I am able to get a stable 599/599 with no artifacts. Pushing to just over 600 on core and mem results in a hard lock. More volts might help.
what cooling are you using? if stock, how hot is it running?

[lewdvig]

Stock cooling. I have to say the fan never kicks up unless I am running the ATI Tool artifact tester. One oif the utilities that I was using showed 65 celcius while scanning the core for max frequency. My PC is in a cool basement.

I played some Oblivion too with out problems.

My rig:
Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice E6 325*8), ASUS A8R-MVP, Thermalright XP90, 2x512 Generic DDR400 (TCC5 2T, 432 MHz), Sapphire X1800GTO (OEM 12 Pipes 599/599), WinXP, WD 200GB + 250GB 7200RPM HDDs, BenQ 1655, Creative Audigy

[Bgnome]

which drivers are yall using? i cant seem to get 3dmark05 to get past the 3 game sequences on my stock bios. i get 0 fps when it tries that flying boat thing the 2nd time and it freezes up. i tried 3dmark06 and i only get ~10fps for the game sequences..

could yall post your GB_PIPE_SELECT values from ATITool as well?

[althes]

I am using the ones on the cd, no others will work.

[althes]

I seriously suspect these are bad cores

[Winterwind]

I played some Oblivion too with out problems.
how does oblivion run?

[Bgnome]

any results on the HIS card? thats is the one with the stock cooler, not the ICEQ?

from what i have seen, people with a GB_PIPE_SELECT value of 0xAD4E have not had any success so far unlocking pipes. my card has a value of 0x27E4 with the stock bios, and 0x3FE4 with the Sapphire XL or a modified bios. i have not seen any FUSE values at all..

i also can't seem to get 3DMark to run all the way through. I have tried the drivers on the disc and the Omega 6.3s. on the stock bios, 3DMark 06 runs at like ~10fps through the games. 3DMark 05 gets like ~30fps but freezes after the 3rd game scene, if not earlier. i think i will try the sapphire drivers and the chuck patch and see if i can get any more stability.

is there a way to edit the bios to get the card recognized as a XL so we could use stable drivers and get all the tweaking apps working correctly?

edit: i am thinking that my own stability issues may be linked to my PSU. i guess getting a discontinued X-Connect 500W for $10 after rebates wasn't the best idea ive had..

[lewdvig]

which drivers are yall using? i cant seem to get 3dmark05 to get past the 3 game sequences on my stock bios. i get 0 fps when it tries that flying boat thing the 2nd time and it freezes up. i tried 3dmark06 and i only get ~10fps for the game sequences..

could yall post your GB_PIPE_SELECT values from ATITool as well?

I am using the 6.3 'Chuck' drivers.

The regular 6.3 worked too.

BGnome did you also post on ocworkbench? There was someone there that said they had unlocked their card but looking at the benchmark scores I think only the label changed (they had done some hex editing). The scores were almost the same for 12 and 16 pipes. There should be a big difference when 16 are enabled.

I thought I was having issues with my card at first, but along with the card I did a mobo upgrade to the A8R-MVP and it was actually the board that was causing me trouble. Its all sorted out now and the system is rock solid.

On the orginal BIOS the pipe values field was blank. I will check tonight and post what is in there now with the XL BIOS.

[lewdvig]

I seriously suspect these are bad cores

Not mine. ATI Overdrive gives me 575/550 - and we all know how conservative ATI's OC driver is.

I get zero artifacts. With voltage and better cooling I think 9000 in 3Dmark is attainable (12 pipes) - and 10k should happen is we can work through unlocking the extra quad.

[lewdvig]

how does oblivion run?

10*7 Ultra High (HDR) and the ATI Tray Tool OSD showing FPS

In the capital city docks 25-45 fps.

It is too choppy with HDR and 4x AA. It would be playable if we could get the 16 pixels though.

599/599 no smearing or artifacts at all.

[lewdvig]

any results on the HIS card? thats is the one with the stock cooler, not the ICEQ?

from what i have seen, people with a GB_PIPE_SELECT value of 0xAD4E have not had any success so far unlocking pipes. my card has a value of 0x27E4 with the stock bios, and 0x3FE4 with the Sapphire XL or a modified bios. i have not seen any FUSE values at all..

i also can't seem to get 3DMark to run all the way through. I have tried the drivers on the disc and the Omega 6.3s. on the stock bios, 3DMark 06 runs at like ~10fps through the games. 3DMark 05 gets like ~30fps but freezes after the 3rd game scene, if not earlier. i think i will try the sapphire drivers and the chuck patch and see if i can get any more stability.

is there a way to edit the bios to get the card recognized as a XL so we could use stable drivers and get all the tweaking apps working correctly?

edit: i am thinking that my own stability issues may be linked to my PSU. i guess getting a discontinued X-Connect 500W for $10 after rebates wasn't the best idea ive had..

We are going to need to get pix of the GTO cores vs. XL cores to identify what was cut. Hopefully it is that simple.

We know 520 yields were OK and I doubt that they would re-engineer silicon on short notice. There are XL cards with a quick mod somewhere.

Mine thinks that it is a XL:

It is stable, regular drivers recognize it, and Oblivion auto detects it when I started it for the first time.

[hal2710]

Hi,

My Powerclor X1800 GTO is Dead got an RMA, (Would not go into 3D mode. I got a BSOD and Stop error 7F,Hardware Faliure)

Dont have any screen shots sorry, didn't think to take any. I did write everything down however,GB pipe numbers were as follows

0x710A:710A,Bus:4,Dev:0

GB_Pipe_Select 0x12BB4

As I had got the RMA number I though I would try to unlock.

NO BIOS file or Flash util would unlock it.

I even tried the modded flashrom from x800gto mod, it said "No Ati device found". I am using Asus A8R32-MVP and atitool finds an ati device other than the graphics card first.

0x5952: 5952, Bus:0,Dev 0

BTW my X1800GTO Powercolor had 5 fets


HTH Hal2710

[lewdvig]

Hi,

My Powerclor X1800 GTO is Dead got an RMA, (Would not go into 3D mode. I got a BSOD and Stop error 7F,Hardware Faliure)

Dont have any screen shots sorry, didn't think to take any. I did write everything down however,GB pipe numbers were as follows

0x710A:710A,Bus:4,Dev:0

GB_Pipe_Select 0x12BB4

As I had got the RMA number I though I would try to unlock.

NO BIOS file or Flash util would unlock it.

I even tried the modded flashrom from x800gto mod, it said "No Ati device found". I am using Asus A8R32-MVP and atitool finds an ati device other than the graphics card first.

0x5952: 5952, Bus:0,Dev 0

BTW my X1800GTO Powercolor had 5 fets

HTH Hal2710

Yikes. You really borked your card - especially if you flashed an X800GTO ROM.

I think we just have to be patient here. Right now mine thinks that it is a 12 pipe XL and works just fine. Newer tools will be out soon and we will get to the bottom of this mystery.

[Bgnome]

yes, i am the one that posted on ocworkbench. the hex edited bios is not really panning out. i had originally flashed with the sapphire xl bios and ATITools/ATT reported 16 pipelines after that. i can flash back to my backup bios and get them to report 12. as for whether or not they are truly unlocked, it is hard to say. i have yet to get 3dmark working correctly to get some real benchmarks.

i think the Chuck patch drivers will install fine with the GTO. it was just the 6.3 Catalyst package from ATI that did not seem to recognize the card. when i tried playing oblivion with hdr+aa, the graphics would freeze and VPU Recover would kick in. i suspect that it may be a power issue, so i might try and see if running the card on a separate psu helps..

[althes]

bgnome you maybe a very lucky man

[Bgnome]

any luck with your HIS card?

[The Stilt]

All of these X1800GTO cards seem to have laser cutted gpu.

With 12 pipelines it is still pretty much the fastest card you can get with 240€.

My X1800GTO (bundled by Club3D) seem to be pretty weak overclocker.
After some quick tests, it seems that this card can do only 720MHz for gpu and 690MHz for memory with Zalman VF900Cu heatsink.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1948912

:slapass:

[Miwo]

ugh, that really sucks. After seeing zero success stories, it makes me believe that this thing was a hoax. Maybe HKEPC had a very very early reviewer sample that was just a x1800xl that was not laser cut.

So....I saved myself the hassle and purchased an x1800xl 16-pipes for $200 on Ebay

[Bgnome]

i wouldnt say zero successes.. maybe 0.5 in my case so far.. :p: i didnt notice any laser cuts on mine, but my picture is somewhat fuzzy. i have yet to hear anyone confirming HKEPCs finding with their modified bios, or anyone else with a Connect3D card trying it. i shot an email to 3dgameman since he had just reviewed one, but havent heard anything yet. So far, mostly on these forums, there has not been any success with Powercolor, Sapphire, HIS (non IceQ), GeCube, or Club3D.

from what i have seen 720/690 sounds crazy high. given that these are likely 2.0ns ram chips and thus clock limited on that side, you are looking at gpu clock speeds ~100mHz higer than XTs at stock..

that xl was a nice deal.. hopefully she wasnt abused..:slap:

[althes]

any luck with your HIS card?
No luck

[Pyr0]

anyone got any way of changing the voltges yet?

[lewdvig]

Here is my ATI Tool:

[lewdvig]

All of these X1800GTO cards seem to have laser cutted gpu.

With 12 pipelines it is still pretty much the fastest card you can get with 240€.

My X1800GTO (bundled by Club3D) seem to be pretty weak overclocker.
After some quick tests, it seems that this card can do only 720MHz for gpu and 690MHz for memory with Zalman VF900Cu heatsink.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1948912

:slapass:

Why does 3DMark see your GPU/MEM clocks and not mine?

[Diverge]

i just recieved the same pm
i tried the hacked bios, flashed with atiflash and ATIWinflash 1.05 but still have 12 pipes
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8629/atitool6sk.png

i noticed the GB_PIPE_SELECT is different tho, mine is 0xAD4E and his is 0x3FE4, :shrug: would that have anything to do with it?

Well the hkepc posts didn't show the GB_PIPE_SELECT value before and after. So that is something to think about. Anyway, just for information purposes, my 1800XL has a value of 0x3FE4 which correlates to this post http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1388307&postcount=30

so far it seems that if the value ends in E4 it will flash over to the XL bios and show 16 pipes.

edit: or maybe not, since lewdvig's ends in E4 but didn't work

if the hex values are registers, which bits set the pipes to 16?

0000 1010 1101 0100 1110 = AD4E
0000 0011 1111 1110 0100 = 3FE4
0000 0010 0111 1110 0100 = 27E4
0010 0010 0111 1110 0100 = 227E4

or this stuff could be irrelavent :p

[Bgnome]

ok, i got some 3dmark 05 scores. These are averaged over 3 runs.

Stock Bios (500/500): 6386
Stock Bios (575/550): 6687
Flashed Bios (500/500): 6833
Flashed Bios (575/550): 7023

Overclock settings were the maximum suggested by Overdrive.

[KoHaN69]

ok, i got some 3dmark 05 scores. These are averaged over 3 runs.

Stock Bios (500/500): 6386
Stock Bios (575/550): 6687
Flashed Bios (500/500): 6833
Flashed Bios (575/550): 7023

Overclock settings were the maximum suggested by Overdrive.

So it did work!! :eek:

If all your system/drivers were exactly the same, then you did unlock it to 16 pipes 500 points isn't a margin of error.

Let's see some more results flashing a Connect3D x1800gto!

[Bgnome]

http://www.connect3d.com/products/pcie_x1800gto.htm

Features
- 321 million transistors on 90nm fabrication process
- Sixteen pixel shader processors
- Eight vertex shader processors
- 256-bit 8-channel GDDR3/GDDR4 memory interface
- CrossFire Multi-GPU Ready


maybe it wasn't really a typo after all.. :banana:

[Winterwind]

i doubt that cards have bad gpu-s for oc.
XL clocks same way wo voltage adjustment

edit: X1800GTO totally owns 7600GT in Oblivion, especially @ foliage tests

[tvdang7]

more updates please! and i had an x1800 xl stock speeds i got about 7000 ish the guy up there hit 7000 iwht 575/550. so im sure he didnt unlock the pipes.

[KoHaN69]

bgnome- Whats ur mem? 2.0ns?

tvdang7- huh?!




anyone else got a working connect3d x1800gto unlock?

[Bgnome]

how do i tell what kind of memory i have? do i need to take off the heatsink again? i am not touching that thing until i get some artic silver silver or something..

tvdang7: you dont think a 400+ jump at 500/500 means anything? i would reckon that your cpu/ram could play a role in that 200 point difference between me and you. im running an a 3200 stock and 1gig of PNY DDR400.

it seems to be much more stable with the stock bios and the 12 pipes. VPU recover keeps kicking in when i am running 16 pipes under load. Riva tuner tells me that this card is drawing 20-30amps and i dont think i have a good enough PSU to deliver that. i swapped in my old PSU and took out my X-Connect 500W, which is now feeding the videocard and nothing else, but im still pretty sure that isnt enough to sustain this bad boy.

[KoHaN69]

how do i tell what kind of memory i have? do i need to take off the heatsink again? i am not touching that thing until i get some artic silver silver or something..


Well, you could check with which bios you flashed your card, read the bios or ur card (ati tool/rabit) should say. it's probably 2.0ns anyway. But if u take off the heatsink, it would be the last 2 numbers on each memory chip.


tvdang7: you dont think a 400+ jump at 500/500 means anything? i would reckon that your cpu/ram could play a role in that 200 point difference between me and you. im running an a 3200 stock and 1gig of PNY DDR400.


The difference between 3ghz w/ 300mhz ram, and 2ghz with 200mhz ram is less than 200points. It's surely unlocked.


it seems to be much more stable with the stock bios and the 12 pipes. VPU recover keeps kicking in when i am running 16 pipes under load. Riva tuner tells me that this card is drawing 20-30amps and i dont think i have a good enough PSU to deliver that. i swapped in my old PSU and took out my X-Connect 500W, which is now feeding the videocard and nothing else, but im still pretty sure that isnt enough to sustain this bad boy.

Strange... Well, turn VPU recover off, that's for sure.
Sell the xconnect for $40+ on fleabay, and get a 520w powerstream for ~$90

For now, try using 'the good' psu only for the vidcard. dont overclock anything else in ur system but the video card

[Winterwind]

i did run X1800XT @ 800/1800 and Dothan 780 @ 3200mhz with my Fortron 500w wo any problems whatsoever:)

[Winterwind]

how much does this card score in 03?
what about 06?:)

03 depends on cpu and card clocks, same goes to 06.
GTO doesnt oc very well wo vmods..
atleast vgpu is needed to get it oc:)

[Bgnome]

i found a website that is working on a review of the Connect3D x1800GTO and have notified them about my findings. the reviewer has responded and hopefully will test unlockability as well..

edit: i have just tried the HIS bios from the HPEKC website and that only showed 12 pipes, but did set the GPU to 520.

[lewdvig]

1.8 GHz to 2.6 and 500-495 to 599/599 netting me about a 1300 point improvement in 3DMark05 with my 12 pipe GTO.

[Coustang]

Howdy all

My friend (Topgear57) bought a connect3d X1800GTO when they first came out and recently saw that Bgnome had unlocked the pipes on his connect3d X1800GTO. Topgear then attempted the bios flash on his card and :woot: 16 pipes.

Here is his thread over at OCfoums. He is registered here, but still can't post for some reason.
http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=454158

[Bgnome]

:woot: :woot: :woot:
finally, a confirmation!
good luck to other Connect3D owners!

[KoHaN69]

sweeet
should of got it for $195 shipped, when the rebate was available @ monarch!!

Damn it, will have ot wait for the next rebate phase, hopefully it will still be the same revision of it


Coustang- How did it score in 3Dmark and such? before after flash?

Where did your friend buy/how much?

[Coustang]

sweeet
should of got it for $195 shipped, when the rebate was available @ monarch!!

Damn it, will have ot wait for the next rebate phase, hopefully it will still be the same revision of it


Coustang- How did it score in 3Dmark and such? before after flash?

Where did your friend buy/how much?



All of those questions are answered in his thread @ OCforums, and if ya'll want to question him directly then you can do that over there. He registered here yesterday but still can't post for some reason.



Here's the lowdown on 3dmark though.

3dmark05 12 pipes 577/630
8140

3dmark05 16 pipes 569/630
8918

[KoHaN69]

All of those questions are answered in his thread @ OCforums, and if ya'll want to question him directly then you can do that over there. He registered here yesterday but still can't post for some reason.

Sorry, didnt see link :slap:

He can't post because his account awaits activation (2-3 days)

[Bgnome]

http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/24/1934/3.html#000039

theres someone that posted that the HIS (regular flavor) card unlocked. Once again, the HKEPC bios does not work.

im glad that we are finally getting some successes.

[KoHaN69]

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=190828&AFFIL=TH&NR=1

his for $210 after MIR

Not buying now due ot the uncertainty.

[TopGear57]

Hey Bgnome whats up man thanks for posting all that stuff about your results and how to unlock our cards, its funny i just noticed the other day that you were the one who posted in the fatwallet thread i made for the connect3d deal that you were gonna jump on the deal, what a small world hehe.

A toast to our good fortune. :toast:

[althes]

So only the connect3d cards are working and a couple HIS cards that might be x1800xl really

[Bgnome]

Hey Bgnome whats up man thanks for posting all that stuff about your results and how to unlock our cards, its funny i just noticed the other day that you were the one who posted in the fatwallet thread i made for the connect3d deal that you were gonna jump on the deal, what a small world hehe.

A toast to our good fortune. :toast:

yeah, im glad i finally jumped on one. been wanting to get something decent for Oblivion..

[Pyr0]

i think i've given up on unlocking the pipes on my card :(
has anyone found a way to change the voltages yet?

[Winterwind]

voltmod it and oc gpu to 800mhz:D

[lewdvig]

Even with 12 pipes it runs Oblivion fine on my machine - Ultra High Settings. 599/599 the fan blasts every once in a while.

I have the frame counter on and it almost never dips below 45 fps - and sometimes it is pegged at 75 (V-Sync).

[KoHaN69]

Even with 12 pipes it runs Oblivion fine on my machine - Ultra High Settings. 599/599 the fan blasts every once in a while.

I have the frame counter on and it almost never dips below 45 fps - and sometimes it is pegged at 75 (V-Sync).

You're not running at 1920x1200, are you?!

[lewdvig]

You're not running at 1920x1200, are you?!

God no, The game calls the settings 'ultra high' when it does its own hardware detect.

[KoHaN69]

God no, The game calls the settings 'ultra high' when it does its own hardware detect.

I;m 'ultra high' at 800x600 -_-

That wont do a on 24" widescreen lcd

Apparently, I need an x1900 to play it on max settings :slap:

[TopGear57]

If anyones interested Newegg has the connect3d version now for a new low of $178 after rebate.

[LexDiamonds]

If anyones interested Newegg has the connect3d version now for a new low of $178 after rebate.


Not a bad deal, but people should buy these for what they are and sum up the hopes of a new "miracle card flash" to a few lucky people who most likely had a XL core on their card for whatever reason. (Maybe this will become standard later on when yields are higher and all broken cores are exhausted)

[KoHaN69]

x1800gto sucks :(

Or the benchies must be wrong!!!

Can anoyones x1800gto go over 600/600?

[TopGear57]

mine gets 577/630 with 12 pipes and with 16 pipes it gets 569/630 no volt mods and stock cooling.

[Winterwind]

x1800gto sucks :(

Or the benchies must be wrong!!!

Can anoyones x1800gto go over 600/600?

and it sux why?
atleast it plays Oblivion with LCD reso, not like 7600GT that dies in foliage tests..

and card dont oc? ofcourse it doesnt, look @ XL reviews it doesnt oc aswell wo more voltage..
so please - someone vmod it:slapass:

[Bgnome]

getting there..
scored 7576 using overdrive 575/550 on 6.4 GTO beta
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3797/benchies8qf.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benchies8qf.jpg)

[althes]

good run with my 12pipe it takes 575/630 to get 8k.
Seems there is no hope to unlock these

[KoHaN69]

good run with my 12pipe it takes 575/630 to get 8k.
Seems there is no hope to unlock these
these = sapphire :slapass:


getting there..
scored 7576 using overdrive 575/550 on 6.4 GTO beta
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3797/benchies8qf.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benchies8qf.jpg)

That's 16 pipelines, right?
Nice, it seems to perform like an x800 -100Mhz (an x800 will get same 3d mar score at 675/650)


I still think it's not quite worth the upgrade from an x800gto 16pipes @590/590

[lewdvig]

these = sapphire :slapass:




That's 16 pipelines, right?
Nice, it seems to perform like an x800 -100Mhz (an x800 will get same 3d mar score at 675/650)


I still think it's not quite worth the upgrade from an x800gto 16pipes @590/590

Mine gets about 1000 points more in 3dMark05 than my old x850xt pe did at about the same gpu/mem speeds. PLus you get SM 3.0 and Avivo. I sold my X850XT for more than I paid for the GTO so I ave no complaints.

Oblivion auto detects ULtra High at 10*7 or 12*10 I don't remember. I have been playing 10*7 ultra higfh with HDR ad 2x AA and 8x AF seems to work OK.

[althes]

I have an x1900xt for my games so I selling this gto

[hixie]

So what exactly is the highest possible score for this card?
I'm entering a competition that only allows mid-range cards and the X1800GTO is the best on the list.
Some people in that competition are getting 9900 on a single X1800GTO in 3D mark05, but something tells me that its fake. Can't tell what but something doesn't seem right.
I attached a picture below. The competition only allows air cooling and/or water cooling.

[althes]

What are the clocks on that

[hixie]

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1961346
http://www.anti-x.org/bbs/attachments/forumid_53/15_Awbo6kqV14Ww.jpg
http://www.anti-x.org/bbs/attachments/forumid_53/16_Jjyx976cwBzH.jpg

Links to more info on it

[Bgnome]

All of these X1800GTO cards seem to have laser cutted gpu.

With 12 pipelines it is still pretty much the fastest card you can get with 240€.

My X1800GTO (bundled by Club3D) seem to be pretty weak overclocker.
After some quick tests, it seems that this card can do only 720MHz for gpu and 690MHz for memory with Zalman VF900Cu heatsink.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1948912

:slapass:


that one shows a score just under 9500. it may be possible to push this card past 10k.. you could always try unlocking it.. :p:

edit: sheesh..those are some crazy clocks on there. and it looks like he could possibly unlock it too (GB_PIPE_SELECT is 0x27E4 just like mine was) but don't tell him that..

[Pyr0]

whoa :slobber:
i need more voltage :stick:
my card is only stable up to 560/600 :slapass:

[Winterwind]

now we are talking..
as i said, vmods + GTO = killer:clap:

[Pyr0]

now we are talking..
as i said, vmods + GTO = killer:clap:

but how do we increase the voltages?

[Winterwind]

but how do we increase the voltages?
hardmod it:D

[TopGear57]

I have got my X1800GTO up to just over 9000 with my 16 pipes unlocked at 569/630 with my opteron 165 at 2.82 and my twinmos BH5 memory at 247mhz with 2225 timings. So I can see where this card should be able to get over 10000 with a volt mod and better cooling. And if i could go as high as those clocks at 760/745 i think i would be happily over 11000


http://home.comcast.net/~topgear57/3dmark05score.jpg

[Bgnome]

you can alter the voltage with the overclocker program. i was able to monitor the voltage changing in rivatuner.

good news is that i broke 8k in 3dm05!
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2937/benchies7tn.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benchies7tn.jpg)
3dmark05 8153
16 pipes @ 570/580
Athlon 64 3200 Venice 2.35GHz

[KoHaN69]

you can alter the voltage with the overclocker program. i was able to monitor the voltage changing in rivatuner.

good news is that i broke 8k in 3dm05!
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2937/benchies7tn.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benchies7tn.jpg)
3dmark05 8153
16 pipes @ 570/580
Athlon 64 3200 Venice 2.35GHz

Nice!! :toast:

What fps do you get in oblivion at 1600x1200 on high settings. AF at 8x, AA at 2x ? :D thanx

[tvdang7]

I have got my X1800GTO up to just over 9000 with my 16 pipes unlocked at 569/630 with my opteron 165 at 2.82 and my twinmos BH5 memory at 247mhz with 2225 timings. So I can see where this card should be able to get over 10000 with a volt mod and better cooling. And if i could go as high as those clocks at 760/745 i think i would be happily over 11000


http://home.comcast.net/~topgear57/3dmark05score.jpg


wow ur tight timings and cpu must really do something .i only hit like 8900 with 2.65 ghz 3-4-4-8 and 625/625 with my XL a while back. although im sure a fresh install of windows woulda helped it has been like a year.

[TopGear57]

you can alter the voltage with the overclocker program. i was able to monitor the voltage changing in rivatuner.

good news is that i broke 8k in 3dm05!
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/2937/benchies7tn.th.jpg (http://img152.imageshack.us/my.php?image=benchies7tn.jpg)
3dmark05 8153
16 pipes @ 570/580
Athlon 64 3200 Venice 2.35GHz



Hmm for some reason when i open the overclocker program the voltage boxes are greyed out, although i can click the little tabs to change them when i go to set clock it says did not modify anything nothing to change. and then i can close the overclocker program and then reopen and it still seems to have my voltages the same as i last set them for some reason, anyway it will not show any change for me in rivatuner. We have the same card so i am not sure why mine is not working if yours is unless it has something to do with different drivers maybe you are using different drivers than me. I am just using the ones that came on the connect3d cd. Unless it has anything to do with any modifications you may have to your bios, mine was just the sapphire xl bios.

[Bgnome]

Nice!! :toast:

What fps do you get in oblivion at 1600x1200 on high settings. AF at 8x, AA at 2x ? :D thanx

i haven't tried, since i dont think my monitor actually supports that res.. :p:

im using the chuck patch drivers (installed over 6.4 GTO beta i think) and my modified bios (i think). i will double check tonight.

[Pyr0]

i tried the overclocker prog over a week ago (i think i posted on here), all it did was lock up the machine when i tried changing the voltages
maybe i should try it with some different bios's

i've been trying to find the courage to test the first x1800gto card that was sent from ati
the only problem is that Fedex crushed it
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46068&stc=1&d=1145462099
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46069&stc=1&d=1145462099
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46070&stc=1&d=1145462099

the card arrived warped and bent, i've replaced the heatsink with a zalman vf700cu and it seems to have straightened out a little, but i still don;t know if it works

i could do with getting a cheap mobo for testing, just incase the card could damage the pci-e slot
there's a chance that the traces were damaged, but if i can get both cards working, i'll pickup a crossfire board :woot:

[Winterwind]

damn, that crushed GTO thing sure sux:(

[Bgnome]

well, i could try and take a screen cap of the voltage adjustment. whats a safe limit? i have pretty much pushed my system as hard as i can with just the stock cooling and am sitting pretty at a 3DM05 around 8200.

[KoHaN69]

well, i could try and take a screen cap of the voltage adjustment. whats a safe limit? i have pretty much pushed my system as hard as i can with just the stock cooling and am sitting pretty at a 3DM05 around 8200.

Depends on your temperatures. When your fan is 100%, but your temps are still rising, stop :)

Then, get watercooled (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70) :thumbsup:

[Bgnome]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/3856/voltage6dj.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=voltage6dj.jpg)

that shows me using overclocker to set the voltages. the graphs are from rivatuner and shows that the voltage went up, along with the amps. i am using my modified bios and the chuck patch over 6.4..

[KoHaN69]

Looking good bgnome!!

Now run the 3D artifact tester, and log how much your voltages flinch

[lewdvig]

Is the BIOS digitally signed?

[KoHaN69]

Is the BIOS digitally signed?

bgnomes' bios?!

I thought only Drivers are "digitally signed"

:confused:

[Bgnome]

Is the BIOS digitally signed?

i am not sure exactly. it is the stock bios with 0x7A changed and the checksum fixed with RaBit. it will flash without the "force" option in winflash, so i am assuming pretty much everything else stays the same.

i tried playing with the volts last night but it didnt really work out. ATITool's artifact scanner doesn't seem to like my system very much and trying to push the clocks higher causes the video to crash. it may be related to the crossfire/overdrive limit, or some people complaining about 6.4 doing something strange to the card, but i dont know. else, it could be my funky system complaining about the power and stock cooling..

[pokey006]

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/2292/untitled0356159oa.th.gif (http://img161.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled0356159oa.gif)Not bad for a 12 pipe GTO:woot: It just takes a little bit more to get there.:D

[Diverge]

i tried the overclocker prog over a week ago (i think i posted on here), all it did was lock up the machine when i tried changing the voltages
maybe i should try it with some different bios's

i've been trying to find the courage to test the first x1800gto card that was sent from ati
the only problem is that Fedex crushed it

the card arrived warped and bent, i've replaced the heatsink with a zalman vf700cu and it seems to have straightened out a little, but i still don;t know if it works

i could do with getting a cheap mobo for testing, just incase the card could damage the pci-e slot
there's a chance that the traces were damaged, but if i can get both cards working, i'll pickup a crossfire board :woot:

If any damage exists, chances are it will just be opens, not shorts. I can't see how flexing/bending the card will short stuff out, but it could break traces and make some of the SMD pins pop off their pads. Just my oppinion though.

[Bgnome]

pokey006: did you do anything to ATITool to get the sensors to work? i cant get it to read temps or anything. Did you alter the voltage? what drivers are you using?

[pokey006]

pokey006: did you do anything to ATITool to get the sensors to work? i cant get it to read temps or anything. Did you alter the voltage? what drivers are you using?

I just flashed it with a SapphireXL bios. same bios just clocked different, but gives me all the controls as a XT or XL. It's running 1.3 on Vcore and 1.9 on the memory

[KoHaN69]

nice pokey006 nice :toast:

I might be getting one soon, the Connect3D, i Just cant get a hold of them by phone or email. Argh.

edit:
FINALLY, after 4 days of phone calls and unanswered emails, I called again and finally got the information. The Connect3D x1800 GTO is in fact, 12 pipelines.
I'm not Captain Obvious, most retailers, and Connect3D's official site has it listed at 16.

PS: Anyone's Connect3D x1800 GTO, NOT flash to 16?

[megatron]

nice pokey006 nice :toast:

I might be getting one soon, the Connect3D, i Just cant get a hold of them by phone or email. Argh.

edit:
FINALLY, after 4 days of phone calls and unanswered emails, I called again and finally got the information. The Connect3D x1800 GTO is in fact, 12 pipelines.
I'm not Captain Obvious, most retailers, and Connect3D's official site has it listed at 16.

PS: Anyone's Connect3D x1800 GTO, NOT flash to 16?
Interesting... Connect 3d's are flashing to 16 pipes? I am running a c3d x800gto @ 16, I bought it instead of a gto2 (saphire) on reports it was unlocking and saved about 30% of the price of gto2 at the time. I later heard reports that the newer stock of connect 3d x800gto's were not unlocking though. It apparently has R423 (x800xt), and clocks to 550/550 on water 24/7. I dont do suicide benches but using atitool artifact tester I glitched at 580 core on water (stock volts).

Yea anyway are connect 3d's flashing to 16 pipes? I got watercooling here ready with the nvdia mounting kit...:)

[KoHaN69]

Interesting... Connect 3d's are flashing to 16 pipes? I am running a c3d x800gto @ 16, I bought it instead of a gto2 (saphire) on reports it was unlocking and saved about 30% of the price of gto2 at the time. I later heard reports that the newer stock of connect 3d x800gto's were not unlocking though. It apparently has R423 (x800xt), and clocks to 550/550 on water 24/7. I dont do suicide benches but using atitool artifact tester I glitched at 580 core on water (stock volts).

I hope you are not confused.
The Connect3D X800 GTO, the first batch at least, did flash to 16 pipelines.
I have one, it does 590/590 :D

This is the Connect3D x1800 GTO that are now all flashing to 16 pipelines. Apparently ALL flashed successfully so far. :woot:

[TopGear57]

I just flashed it with a SapphireXL bios. same bios just clocked different, but gives me all the controls as a XT or XL. It's running 1.3 on Vcore and 1.9 on the memory



so weird mine was flashed with the sapphire xl bios as well but i get not temps and no voltage changing ability. Dangit and i so want to up the voltage, i want to go for world records, hehe at least for this card.
I don't really want to do a hard mod if it can be soft modded. I also tried installing the omega 6.3 cats but that didn't help.

[pokey006]

so weird mine was flashed with the sapphire xl bios as well but i get not temps and no voltage changing ability. Dangit and i so want to up the voltage, i want to go for world records, hehe at least for this card.
I don't really want to do a hard mod if it can be soft modded. I also tried installing the omega 6.3 cats but that didn't help.

Use atiflash3.09 with -newbios in the command line and flash with the sapphire XL bios, then reboot, then reflash without -newbios in command line with your original GTO bios. After that it will recognize as XL with voltage control.

[TopGear57]

Use atiflash3.09 with -newbios in the command line and flash with the sapphire XL bios, then reboot, then reflash without -newbios in command line with your original GTO bios. After that it will recognize as XL with voltage control.


thanks i'll have to give that a try, although i am not really sure how that works, i mean what happens when i am reflashing my old bios without that command line does it not actually do a full flash of the old bios or something? I mean if it does do a full flash of the old one i would be back to where i was when i first bought the card, with only 12 pipes, that wouldn't be cool.So basically i am just interested in a better explanation of what that method actually does.

[pokey006]

thanks i'll have to give that a try, although i am not really sure how that works, i mean what happens when i am reflashing my old bios without that command line does it not actually do a full flash of the old bios or something? I mean if it does do a full flash of the old one i would be back to where i was when i first bought the card, with only 12 pipes, that wouldn't be cool.So basically i am just interested in a better explanation of what that method actually does.

Ok, I didn't notice you had 16 pipes unlocked, insead of the stock bios flash with a GTO bios modded for 16 pipes with out the -newbios command line to retain the 16 pipes. The only thing you want is to be able to adjust the voltage, in ATiTool, which for some odd reason can't be done with just the XL bios. It has to be flashed to XL fully then back to GTO without -newbios to preserve the ROM settings of the GTO.

[megatron]

No ofcourse not, I want to upgrade and I like being a cheap skate.:banana:

I hope you are not confused.
The Connect3D X800 GTO, the first batch at least, did flash to 16 pipelines.
I have one, it does 590/590 :D

This is the Connect3D x1800 GTO that are now all flashing to 16 pipelines. Apparently ALL flashed successfully so far. :woot:

[KoHaN69]

megatron -it's not cheapskate, it's being smart ;)
You won't get MUCH of an increase in performance though.
I personally wouldn't upgrade, but 1920x1200 pushes my card to it's limit.
I can do "high settings" in most games, but without AA and SmartShader3

Remember! We ALL will have to upgrade in a year for full DirectX 10 support in Vista ;)

Pyr0: Does the second card work?!

[TopGear57]

Ok, I didn't notice you had 16 pipes unlocked, insead of the stock bios flash with a GTO bios modded for 16 pipes with out the -newbios command line to retain the 16 pipes. The only thing you want is to be able to adjust the voltage, in ATiTool, which for some odd reason can't be done with just the XL bios. It has to be flashed to XL fully then back to GTO without -newbios to preserve the ROM settings of the GTO.




hmm thats interesting, i might have to give that a try and see what happens
thanks for the info.

[Bgnome]

copy and pasted from ocworkbench post:

NEW FINDINGS!!

Ok, after finding out that some people got the DEVICE ID to change, and thus enable all the controls in ATI Tools, I thought I would give it a shot.

WARNING: This involves clearing your BIOS. There is good chance that you may not be able to recover your card from this if something goes wrong. Make sure you have a spare PCI video card or something for backup, in order to reflash.

I downloaded the empty bios from techpowerup.com and the sapphire xl bios from there as well. i wrote a batch file to flash the empty bios and then the sapphire bios from DOS using ATIFlash. Copy and paste the following lines to a new text file and then rename is as flash.bat or something:
atiflash -newbios -f -p 0 empty.bin
atiflash -newbios -f -p 0 sapxl.bin

save atiflash, the empty.bin and the sapphire bios to your boot disc. rename the sapphire bios to sapxl.bin (unless you like using the "~1" in the file name -- edit the .bat accordingly, of course). reboot to DOS using your disc, cross your fingers, and run the .bat file.

ATIFlash 3.09 (http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/bios/atiflash309.zip)
Empty.bin to clear bios (http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/100/images/empty.bin)
Sapphire X1800 XL bios (http://www.techpowerup.com/bios/Sapphire.X1800XL.256.Samsung14_050923.bin)
Thanks to Techpowerup.com for providing the bios images and the tools!
http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7023/deviceid5cf.jpg

now, ATITool recognizes the sensor chip and is able to change the voltages. I will play with it more soon..

[TopGear57]

copy and pasted from ocworkbench post:

NEW FINDINGS!!

Ok, after finding out that some people got the DEVICE ID to change, and thus enable all the controls in ATI Tools........



great! keep us posted.

[althes]

wow i may have to get back on this train

[pokey006]

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/7291/untitled01923424as.th.gif (http://img270.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled01923424as.gif)

Not bad for 12pipes and a crappy MB...At least till Thurs new DFI and waterblock:woot:

[pokey006]

[img=http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7398/untitled01953538ue.th.gif] (http://img250.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled01953538ue.gif)

Hmm....Maybe 10k under water, DFI, and Gskill HZ...What do you guys think?
And just to think I was going to send it back for a connect 3D hoping to unlock 16pipes...I think she's a keeper.

[KoHaN69]

Bgnome- nice findings

pokey006- "crappy mobo"=biostar?? or ultra-d ?

Did anyone try to change the memory timings for performance?
(like in: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55485)

[pokey006]

Bgnome- nice findings

pokey006- "crappy mobo"=biostar?? or ultra-d ?


Biostar...lol it's ok but It's giving my opteron hell:slapass:

[5n1p3r]

nice clocks pokey.
How did you manage to get so high on the memory?
Even if I feed 2.1 Volts I can rarely go over 650. Do you take it slowly or just hit the max from start?

[Winterwind]

2.1v is too low for 2.0ns
give it 2.25v and up and it should oc bit better
or hardmod it and give 2.5v and up

[5n1p3r]

I dunno man.... it's allready gettin pretty hot...
I don't wanna end up wit a smokin pcb and useless board.
The stock cooling does a great job on the cpu but kinda sux for the rams.

I was wonderin... can i put a cooler on the other side of the pcb. As in put some as5 and stick it to the circuits there... (i have a feeling people will laugh at this one)

[pokey006]

nice clocks pokey.
How did you manage to get so high on the memory?
Even if I feed 2.1 Volts I can rarely go over 650. Do you take it slowly or just hit the max from start?

It's still going up, that's at 1.95v, it's supprising to me seeing that it's 2.0 RAM

[pokey006]

It's still going up, that's at 1.95v, it's supprising to me seeing that it's 2.0 RAM

http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1383/untitled0855383vv.th.gif (http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled0855383vv.gif)

Here's another screenshot 9406 05marks on air:woot: , I think it will go higher once my new top from DangerDen gets here, then I can get the heat off the pcb more efficiently, thus allowing for a little more.

[megatron]

http://img286.imageshack.us/img286/1383/untitled0855383vv.th.gif (http://img286.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled0855383vv.gif)

Here's another screenshot 9406 05marks on air:woot: , I think it will go higher once my new top from DangerDen gets here, then I can get the heat off the pcb more efficiently, thus allowing for a little more.Have u unlocked that Saphire to 16 pipes?
U need a new top for ur maze4 gpu? I have one and Im using it on a C3d x800gto@16 atm, with ati hold down. U need the nvidia mounting kit to mount x1800 series. Have u got a really early maze4gpu block? My one came with the 4 mounting holes already and I only needed an nvidia mounting kit to be ready to fit to x1800/x1900.

Its a shame it hasnt got 512Mb ram since I recently upgraded my monitor to a vx922 and use 1280*1024 now which gets a slight benifit for having 512Mb ram.

[pokey006]

Have u unlocked that Saphire to 16 pipes?
U need a new top for ur maze4 gpu? I have one and Im using it on a C3d x800gto@16 atm, with ati hold down. U need the nvidia mounting kit to mount x1800 series. Have u got a really early maze4gpu block? My one came with the 4 mounting holes already and I only needed an nvidia mounting kit to be ready to fit to x1800/x1900.

Its a shame it hasnt got 512Mb ram since I recently upgraded my monitor to a vx922 and use 1280*1024 now which gets a slight benifit for having 512Mb ram.

No it's 12pipes. Yes I had an early Maze4, I ordered a new top, I really needed on to get rid of the aluminum in my loop anyway.

[TopGear57]

well i reflashed my bios with atiflash3.09 anyway now i have voltages and my temps which is great, but for some reason when i use atitool to up the voltahe to my gpu it won't show any change in rivatuner and i can't overclock any higher on my gpu, so i am assuming its not working for increasing the voltage to my gpu, however it actually appears to be working for my memory.

I upped the voltage to 2.0 and was able to go from previous max of 630 to around 670, so what the heck could be my problem why i can seem to increase voltage to the memory but not to the gpu.

By the way thats some good scores with your 12 pipe card pokey, your making me jealous, its pretty sad being jealous of a 12 pipe card when i have 16. :( .

[pokey006]

well i reflashed my bios with atiflash3.09 anyway now i have voltages and my temps which is great, but for some reason when i use atitool to up the voltahe to my gpu it won't show any change in rivatuner and i can't overclock any higher on my gpu, so i am assuming its not working for increasing the voltage to my gpu, however it actually appears to be working for my memory.

I upped the voltage to 2.0 and was able to go from previous max of 630 to around 670, so what the heck could be my problem why i can seem to increase voltage to the memory but not to the gpu.

By the way thats some good scores with your 12 pipe card pokey, your making me jealous, its pretty sad being jealous of a 12 pipe card when i have 16. :( .

Hmm... did you reflash like I said in the earlier post? It should be reading it in Rivatuner. Remember flash with the XL with -newbios then with your modded GTO file without -newbios, don't reboot between flashes. The empty.bin process doesn't work with these cards, it just looks like it does but it doesn't change voltage.

Don't be jealous, i'm going to help you maybe to surpass mine, use about 1.95v to the mem that should get you to atleast 700, but only after you doe the bios flash, that's the only thing holding you back.

[TopGear57]

Hmm... did you reflash like I said in the earlier post? It should be reading it in Rivatuner. Remember flash with the XL with -newbios then with your modded GTO file without -newbios, don't reboot between flashes. The empty.bin process doesn't work with these cards, it just looks like it does but it doesn't change voltage.

Don't be jealous, i'm going to help you maybe to surpass mine, use about 1.95v to the mem that should get you to atleast 700, but only after you doe the bios flash, that's the only thing holding you back.



yeah i tried the empty.bin process it sounded a little easier plus, i didn't have the modified gto bios to try your step so i figured i would try what bgnomes tried, now when you say use a modified bios are you talking about just using the same one that bgnomes modified, or do you have one that is better, or can you tell me what i would have to modify in the gto bios to make this process work properly? thanks!

[pokey006]

yeah i tried the empty.bin process it sounded a little easier plus, i didn't have the modified gto bios to try your step so i figured i would try what bgnomes tried, now when you say use a modified bios are you talking about just using the same one that bgnomes modified, or do you have one that is better, or can you tell me what i would have to modify in the gto bios to make this process work properly? thanks!

No just the same one Bgnome modified to keep your 16pipes his is just a GTO bios modded for 16, it will wotk fine.

[TopGear57]

No just the same one Bgnome modified to keep your 16pipes his is just a GTO bios modded for 16, it will wotk fine.



ok just to make sure, ok i am going to make a flash.bat file like i did for the empty.bin process, so should the lines in it look like this?

atiflash -newbios -f -p 0 sapxl.bin
atiflash -f -p 0 gtomod.bin

[5n1p3r]

pokey, do you have stock bios?

If you have some idea how to tweak ram timings do share =)

[pokey006]

ok just to make sure, ok i am going to make a flash.bat file like i did for the empty.bin process, so should the lines in it look like this?

atiflash -newbios -f -p 0 sapxl.bin
atiflash -f -p 0 gtomod.bin

yes that's it

[pokey006]

pokey, do you have stock bios?

If you have some idea how to tweak ram timings do share =)

Yes it's the stock bios, no change in stock timings

[KoHaN69]

I dunno man.... it's allready gettin pretty hot...
I don't wanna end up wit a smokin pcb and useless board.
The stock cooling does a great job on the cpu but kinda sux for the rams.

I was wonderin... can i put a cooler on the other side of the pcb. As in put some as5 and stick it to the circuits there... (i have a feeling people will laugh at this one)

The best solution is swiftech's ramsinks

[Pyr0]

that flashing method worked perfectly to enable me to change the voltages, thanks :up:

@KoHaN69 - unfortunately the other card is dead :(
i tested it earlier and it wouldn't post at all, the diagnostic lights on the mobo just went crazy:p:

[SkeptiKal]

Thanks for the info Pokey, works great.

Forgot to ask: What are you guys feeding the core? I have it set at 1.25 and the memory at 1.96.

I benched it at 630/630 and got 8496 in 3DMark05. Any higher and I get artifacts in ATI Tool with the current voltages.

X2 3800 at 2.52Ghz
2GB GSkill
DFI Ultra-D
36 Gig Raptor.

[pokey006]

Thanks for the info Pokey, works great.

Forgot to ask: What are you guys feeding the core? I have it set at 1.25 and the memory at 1.96.

I benched it at 630/630 and got 8496 in 3DMark05. Any higher and I get artifacts in ATI Tool with the current voltages.

X2 3800 at 2.52Ghz
2GB GSkill
DFI Ultra-D
36 Gig Raptor.

I'm running 1.35 on the core and 1.95 on the MEM

[TopGear57]

:woot: :woot: :woot: Pokey's the man, that bios flash method seems to have worked like a charm, here is my first test run to make sure things were working.



http://home.comcast.net/~topgear57/3dmark05-590-660.jpg




Thanks alot to Bgnomes and Pokey006 now i have a 16 pipe soft voltmoddable x1800gto :woot:
Pokey I am not going to enjoy beating your score..................Very Much:D

[Pyr0]

wow, that's an excellent score
thanks to the bios flash enabling the voltage adjustments, i've managed to push the clocks to 698/697 and scored 9526 in 3Dmark05
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46370&d=1146035528
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46369&d=1146035486

not bad for a 12 pipe card, but 16 would've been nicer ;)

[5n1p3r]

wow, that's an excellent score
thanks to the bios flash enabling the voltage adjustments, i've managed to push the clocks to 698/697 and scored 9526 in 3Dmark05
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46370&d=1146035528
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=46369&d=1146035486

not bad for a 12 pipe card, but 16 would've been nicer ;)

I still think it's possible to get all the 16 working on our cards (saphire n the rest). I see people in other forums crappin all over themselves with questions like are these xl cores? are these xt cores? gto cores? These are r520 cores! They are built with 16 pipes!

If you have to pay x to build the chip and you sell it for y, you get profit=y-x.

If you pay x to make a chip then pay z to cripple it, and sell it for w, you get profit=w-x-z. (where obviously w is at least 20% smaller than y, maybe even more). Why would anybody knowingly cut down on their profits???
GTO's are overpriced for stock performance anyways! So if you look at stock few people will buy them. therefore overall profit (w-x-z)*t (small turnover)

Also if the word comes out that all of them are unlockable these things will sell like hot bread in somalia. Which means profit of (w-x)*T (notice the big T)

I believe ati just put a pretty good protection in the bios, which will be cracked by some wizkid within the next 2-3 months.

[5n1p3r]

The best solution is swiftech's ramsinks

Kohan, i have stock heatsink so that covers the chip part of the ram. I meant if i can cool it from the other side as well somehow!

[TopGear57]

well here is my new best score, sadly i am having a little trouble getting much higher than these clocks, but i will play around with it some more. Maybe if i get a better HSF maybe i could go higher we will see. But i am not sure if its a heat problem my card doesn't go any higher than low 70's. It kinda seems like when i go any higher than 1.200 on my gpu voltage i seem to get lockups


http://home.comcast.net/~topgear57/3dmark05-2.jpg

[pokey006]

Glad to be of service, guys:toast:

[KoHaN69]

I still think it's possible to get all the 16 working on our cards (saphire n the rest). I see people in other forums crappin all over themselves with questions like are these xl cores? are these xt cores? gto cores? These are r520 cores! They are built with 16 pipes!

If you have to pay x to build the chip and you sell it for y, you get profit=y-x.

If you pay x to make a chip then pay z to cripple it, and sell it for w, you get profit=w-x-z. (where obviously w is at least 20% smaller than y, maybe even more). Why would anybody knowingly cut down on their profits???
GTO's are overpriced for stock performance anyways! So if you look at stock few people will buy them. therefore overall profit (w-x-z)*t (small turnover)

Also if the word comes out that all of them are unlockable these things will sell like hot bread in somalia. Which means profit of (w-x)*T (notice the big T)

I believe ati just put a pretty good protection in the bios, which will be cracked by some wizkid within the next 2-3 months.

I concur.
I personally talked with ATI tech support and they siad they do not cripple the cores on their manufacturing plant. They do not make 12 pipe x1800 cores - it's all in the bios and pcb.
So if the bios flash does not work, I presume something on the PCB might be stopping it.

[althes]

good move my friend.

[alpha_tot]

I still think it's possible to get all the 16 working on our cards (saphire n the rest). I see people in other forums crappin all over themselves with questions like are these xl cores? are these xt cores? gto cores? These are r520 cores! They are built with 16 pipes!

If you have to pay x to build the chip and you sell it for y, you get profit=y-x.

If you pay x to make a chip then pay z to cripple it, and sell it for w, you get profit=w-x-z. (where obviously w is at least 20% smaller than y, maybe even more). Why would anybody knowingly cut down on their profits???
GTO's are overpriced for stock performance anyways! So if you look at stock few people will buy them. therefore overall profit (w-x-z)*t (small turnover)

Also if the word comes out that all of them are unlockable these things will sell like hot bread in somalia. Which means profit of (w-x)*T (notice the big T)

I believe ati just put a pretty good protection in the bios, which will be cracked by some wizkid within the next 2-3 months.

But if you dont pay to cripple it, then ATI knows some whizkid is going to crack the protection, so more people are going to buy the GTOs rather than going out and buying an XT ie: (T-t)*P in your big mathematical analysis of things where P is the price of an XT... and note its a big P since they can charge a lot more for an XT. (And yeah, I know not all of those people would have purchased an XT if the GTO doesnt unlock, but i just wanted to use cool variables to make it look like im 1337)...and since the XT and the GTOs cost is pretty similar, ATIs going to be missing out on a lot of profit they could be making if they cripple the actual hardware of the GTO. And realistically, the "Z" they pay to cripple it is probably a matter of making one or two laser cuts, which probably only works out to a few cents a card.

I still hope ATI wouldnt do that for the sake of some hardware enthusiast support and building up the whole ATI fanboy thing which helps them in the long run, but im just saying that in the short run it makes economic sense to do the laser cuts...

[KoHaN69]

alpa_tot:
ati doesnt cripple x1800 cores period.

Unlike the x800 series, all the x1800 cores are THE SAME, they just clock different. Ati did not have the time to have multiply cores for the x1800 since the x1800 is like the nvidias' 5900 series, because the x1900 is that much better.

ATI halted the release of the x1900gtos so they could use all means possible to get rid of the x1800 cores on the market.

Henceforth, the core are not internally cut, the only possibility is that some might require a pencil trick.

[5n1p3r]

your post made me happy kohan:banana:

so you've been in these forum longer than I have and I guess you know people here better. Maybe you can ask somebody who understands pcbs well whether he can take a look, see where the pencil trick should be done? I would do it but no matter how long I stare at it, I don't get any smarter :confused:

[TopGear57]

your post made me happy kohan:banana:

so you've been in these forum longer than I have and I guess you know people here better. Maybe you can ask somebody who understands pcbs well whether he can take a look, see where the pencil trick should be done? I would do it but no matter how long I stare at it, I don't get any smarter :confused:




roflmao hehe i wish i could get smarter by staring at things, i like to stare at women, but last time i checked my IQ wasn't any higher by doing that.

[KoHaN69]

lol guys. I just talked to the ati technician. I called the ati support # on their site, asked for technical support and bombarded the guy with questions about connect3d and the x1800 and the gtos :D

Even if you do not know anything about electronics, you may still be able to spot the difference.
It's a very hard mental puzzle game :p

like this:
http://www.danradcliffe.com/12days2005/12days2005_gof_difference_both.jpg


...but with vidoe cards :D

[blind_ripper]

buton of the shear , ring on the mans hand , logo on harry his vest , earing on the women divrent color :rolleyes:

[KoHaN69]

buton of the shear , ring on the mans hand , logo on harry his vest , earing on the women divrent color :rolleyes:

You miised the ribon on the girl's ponytail and the wings on the vase in the background, the spike on the gate, the women's hand out of the sleeve, the 2 pillar-things (by the vase) in the background... maybe something else too

See, this is not so easy, and it's much harder with video cards

[SnipingWaste]

we need pics of many X1800XL and X1800GTOs with out the heat sink. From that one might find the differents.

[megatron]

I used the pencil trick on the radion 8500, it was to increase voltage but changing a resistor value; the same was true for all pencil mods since. Pencil mod will not open pipelines, but maybe a cut trace would...

[TopGear57]

Well i seem to have figured out how to be able to overclock my ram alot more, i left the mvddq at 2.001 instead of raising it consistently with the mvddc,it was either that that fixed it or me unplugging the 2 extra power connectors on my dfi mobo. so now i really am about at my max although the ram could go higher but i am not sure if i will try much more voltage to it. So this is probably pretty much my best score i can get unless there is anyway i can fix the voltage bug problem, i noticed a good amount of people with the xl's also had this problem, i am not sure if the core is just bad at taking any voltage over 1.2 or if its something else but anyway i am still happy with my card. Here it is I am not sure if anyone has got better with there Gto yet, but its the best i have seen.
http://home.comcast.net/~topgear57/3dmark05-3.jpg

[KoHaN69]

not too bad TopGear57

I think the voltage problem might be a driver one

Are you sure u cant go higher with the core?