Has The P4's Core Hitten A Wall?

[Penguin4x4]

Is it me or have all the P4's hitten a wall at about 4.00-4.44GHz Max OC?:confused: :confused:

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Penguin4x4
Is it me or have all the P4's hitten a wall at about 4.00-4.44GHz Max OC?:confused: :confused:

LMAO :D

well, they dont make any P4's than the 3.06 model. A 1 GHz OC is about the max... every chip has its limits ...

[lght1]

Hi


" hitten" ?

[KingInge2000]

The rise of the Xps:D

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by lght1
Hi


" hitten" ?

:D :rolleyes: :cool: :slapass:

[lght1]

Hi

:D

[Greyfire]

I think this is about the end of the line for Nothwood's. In a few months, probably around April, Intel will release the 3.2GHz Northwood, but that's the end of the line for the P4's current iteration.

[Zroc]

I'm not so sure...the P4's just seem to be getting better all the time, across the board. Lately, I've even been getting B0 chips that soar (a 2.0 B0 that does 3120 on default voltage?!?).

More and more 'lowly' (LOL!) 4GHz clocks are popping up...I think there's still headroom.

Let's see what the 3.2's will do ;)

[Greyfire]

@Zroc

I was talking about stock speeds of course, not OC's. It's just that Intel won't release something that produces too much heat for OEM cooling to dissipate properly.

I expect OC's to reach 4.5 or maybe even higher towards the end of their life span.

[Zroc]

Originally posted by Greyfire
@Zroc

I was talking about stock speeds of course, not OC's. It's just that Intel won't release something that produces too much heat for OEM cooling to dissipate properly.

I expect OC's to reach 4.5 or maybe even higher towards the end of their life span.
Have you checked out the retail stock cooler for the 3GHz? The thing is awesome...good for me at 3450 with HT on, totally stable (24 hours prime95, 20 loops 3DMark).

imo, they're just not releasing higher chips yet because they don't have to. The P4 3GHz chip stock just slaughters the 2800+ stock. I think it'd be stupid of them to release bigger chips just for the heck of it, when the 3GHz is such a big cash cow for them right now.

They'll launch the 3.2 in March, iirc...

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Greyfire

I expect OC's to reach 4.5 or maybe even higher towards the end of their life span.


try to hit 4.5 GHz with a multiplier of 16 :(

[hollywood]

Maybe off topic, but Viggen...you're sig bothers me. I happen to be Jewish and take issue with it.

[Walrusbonzo]

What's so offesive about JCViggen's avatar?

EDIT: LOL, my bad, I thought you meant his avatar not his sig :confused:

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Hollywood
Maybe off topic, but Viggen...you're sig bothers me. I happen to be Jewish and take issue with it.

Well we all take issues with some things, thats the way the world works. My sig is part of it...
Its not meant in any anti-jewish way I think, the only thing bothering my is the hypocracy (sp)

[Tomasis]

hypocracy? do you mean hypocrisy? otherwise I must buy Cambride lexicon =D

[JCviggen]

Originally posted by Tomasis
hypocracy? do you mean hypocrisy? otherwise I must buy Cambride lexicon =D

Fair enough, but I'm willing to bet my english is better than your dutch ;)
sorry for the spelling

[hollywood]

No sweat...just grates me a bit...The Palestinians have dug their own grave. If they weren't bombing Israelis every few days, they would of had a Palestinian state 5 years ago.

P.S. I have no problem with Viggen, he's got crazy skill. I just wanted to mention his sig.

Peace,

-Holly

[ExtremeAMD]

Originally posted by Zroc
Have you checked out the retail stock cooler for the 3GHz? The thing is awesome...good for me at 3450 with HT on, totally stable (24 hours prime95, 20 loops 3DMark).

imo, they're just not releasing higher chips yet because they don't have to. The P4 3GHz chip stock just slaughters the 2800+ stock. I think it'd be stupid of them to release bigger chips just for the heck of it, when the 3GHz is such a big cash cow for them right now.

They'll launch the 3.2 in March, iirc...

Pfff

[ExtremeAMD]

...

3.06 vs 2700 ;)

[Ragnarok]

THG results, pfft... they cant 3dmark for crap

[ExtremeAMD]

Yea, I know, but I'm not buying a 2800 and 3.06 just to write my own reviews. They showed AMD scoring higher, thats what counts to me. ;)

[charlie]

So...guys,
what's the real deal...will 3.2G in March/April be 16 x 200fsb (canterwood) or 24 x 133 Northwood??
C

[deeznuts]

ExtremeAMD, your graphs are very telling, even if my sig from another forum is:


Confucious say. HE WHO READ AND BELIEVE TOMS HARDWARE IS FOOL!!!!!! - tedinde
;)

but as far as i can tell, Zroc doesn't live and die by 3dmark. and probably we can pick out another test in that exact same review that maybe shows 3.06 winning?

what is more important to me, and maybe Zroc as well (i don't claim to know what he thinks is more important, i'm just assuming) is how well two programs run, at once! that's where the 3.06 should shine.

[Greyfire]

Originally posted by charlie
So...guys,
what's the real deal...will 3.2G in March/April be 16 x 200fsb (canterwood) or 24 x 133 Northwood??
C

16 I think. It should coincide with Caterwood IIRC. Which blows because, as JC pointed out, overclocking won't be as easy with a 16x multiplier. :-/

Not that any of this matters to me; I'm too poor to be an Intel guy. :p

[DR. YT]

i heard it is going to be the last 133fsb p4 then the 3.4 will be the walimite core

[Greyfire]

Originally posted by docyt
i heard it is going to be the last 133fsb p4 then the 3.4 will be the walimite core

It will be the first 800MHz FSB processor, and may not be the last Northwood actually. I brushed up in my roadmaps, and there is actually a "3.2GHz+" part for Q3 2003, which is interesting. After Northwood comes the 90 nm Prescott, BTW.

[RootX]

Well, if our mobos can handle 250MHz fsb, then running the new 200MHz-bus P4 even at the same 4Gs as the 3.06 reach today, will result in an amazing memory bandwidth, something that cannot be done with the 3.06.

Now, can you imagine that on a GB mobo ? :)

[jaawood]

The current P4 3.06s can reach high speeds because they have the higher multi, 23, and then also get pretty good mem bandwidth to go along with that. As a result they can reach 4+ ghz at 165+ fsb or whatever. But in order to get 4.5 ghz out of the new P4s w/ the 16 multi) , thats like 300 mhz fsb which would be very impressive. I don't claim to know anything about GB mobos or their speeds, but it just seems like 300 mhz fsb is a long shot right now, but 250 would probly be reachable. Maybe on new models that would be possible, but I don't think right now. You would get some pretty good mem bandwidth if there was memory that could hand 550+ mhz, though.

[Alexandrus]

Originally posted by Hollywood
No sweat...just grates me a bit...The Palestinians have dug their own grave. If they weren't bombing Israelis every few days, they would of had a Palestinian state 5 years ago.

P.S. I have no problem with Viggen, he's got crazy skill. I just wanted to mention his sig.

Peace,

-Holly


Sorry to cut in.
I won't comment on politics, but you shouldn't either, until you know ALL the facts, which so far you do not.


As for the P4, seems like the Northwood 3.4GHz will be available later this year. Nice, but still, the Prescott is what I'm waiting for ;)

[lght1]

Hi

Had they chose peace.....they could have had their state. The last PM offered them almost everything they ever wanted...but they were too addicted to terror to seize the moment.

Now, they are suffering the consequences of that decision. To make matters worse for them, they are on the verge of losing their biggest bennefactor..Saddam Hussein.

[Wolf]

Had they chose peace.....they could have had their state. The last PM offered them almost everything they ever wanted...but they were too addicted to terror to seize the moment.

Tell is like it is brotha. :toast:

[Alexandrus]

As I said, no comment from me, but I am telling you that you DO NOT have all the facts.
Plus, since you live in USA, your government has many reasons to keep you dissinformed about this matter and a few others in the middle east.

Anyway, I think that's enough offtopic for today, we already turned this thread into something else.


PS. Excuse me for this guys, but to me, and to many others, the president of USA, Mr. Bush, looks like one of those texan bill-hillies that does nothing but cry "WAR" everywhere he goes.

No offense intended to texans or americans in general.

[antipop]

Originally posted by lght1
Hi

Had they chose peace.....they could have had their state. The last PM offered them almost everything they ever wanted...but they were too addicted to terror to seize the moment.

Now, they are suffering the consequences of that decision. To make matters worse for them, they are on the verge of losing their biggest bennefactor..Saddam Hussein. I know it's not the place to talk about this but i just wanted to say that they offered them everything but water and a continous country (how can you rule a country which is separeted in several small parts). I don't understand why a jewish colon has a swimming pool and all the water he wants but a palestian has to go the well (sometimes several miles away) to bring water? I have nothing against the jewish people, and i think that both parts are wrong. I think the only way toward peace is that both of them understands that they must try to cooperate instead of destroying each others, but that's easier said than done. (a palestian that has a home, a job, good roadn a school for his children so that he can live happy won't become a suicide bomber but destroy his home, take his job and he 'll surely become angry)

I won't say more



Just that i think that the p4 has hitten a wall for the 0.13µm design and that will see higher speeds once intel will have fully mastered the 0.09µm process

[Smoke'em]

Sorry to drop in on this, but I have to say I applaud the fact that more and more 'western' people have more understanding for the Palestinian case. I am not anti-Israël, but I cannot believe that people can still speak about Jewish 'colonists' in this day and age. Unfortunately the Israëli people have again not elected wisely, and chose to continue the leadership of the man that started the 2nd Intifadah.

Re: Northwood

Seeing that there are OC's of well over 4 gigs, I still think that Intel has headroom to put out some more Northwoods on a 0,13 core. However, due to the architecture the P4 needs to scale very well to increase performance. In that respect I think the 0,13 P4 is almost at the end of the line.

[Zroc]

Originally posted by ExtremeAMD
Yea, I know, but I'm not buying a 2800 and 3.06 just to write my own reviews. They showed AMD scoring higher, thats what counts to me. ;)
Sure, anyone can skew any review to make things look how they want. In this particular instance, Tom choose the slowest current Intel platform, 845PE at 4:5, and put it against the fastest current AMD platform, dual-channel nForce2.
I could pull the bias stunt, and pit an 850E versus a KT333 or KT400.
I choose not to. If he had simply bumped the memory ratio to 3:4 on the 845PE, it would've won. If he'd have ran it on Granite Bay, you could tack on another 700 points, 850E, another 8-900 points.

You have to look at the overall picture with an unbiased eye. I took a pretty fair look at all the platforms here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8851

The water is going to get really muddy once Springdale/Canterwood and the 800FSB chips hit. A 3GHz chip at 800FSB dual-channel is obviously going to be a lot faster than a 3GHz/533 chip. For that matter, a 2.4/800 chip is going to be faster than current 2.66/533 chips, and possible 2.8's.
I'll be looking at Barton and Springdale in the same fashion as I did above when they hit...should be quite interesting ;)

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by JCviggen
A 1 GHz OC is about the max... every chip has its limits ...

*grumble* Gues I was right.............*grumble*

[charlie]

Washington D.C.
January 28, 2003
President George W. Bush

"Our war against terror is a contest of will in which perseverance is power. In the ruins of two towers, at the western wall of the Pentagon, on a field in Pennsylvania, this nation made a pledge, and we renew that pledge tonight: Whatever the duration of this struggle, and whatever the difficulties, we will not permit the triumph of violence in the affairs of men -- free people will set the course of history."

"This threat is new; America's duty is familiar. Throughout the 20th century, small groups of men seized control of great nations, built armies and arsenals, and set out to dominate the weak and intimidate the world. In each case, their ambitions of cruelty and murder had no limit. In each case, the ambitions of Hitlerism, militarism, and communism were defeated by the will of free peoples, by the strength of great alliances, and by the might of the United States of America."

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike? If this threat is permitted to fully and suddenly emerge, all actions, all words, and all recriminations would come too late. Trusting in the sanity and restraint of Saddam Hussein is not a strategy, and it is not an option.

"And tonight I have a message for the brave and oppressed people of Iraq: Your enemy is not surrounding your country -- your enemy is ruling your country. And the day he and his regime are removed from power will be the day of your liberation."

"Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world, it is God's gift to humanity."

Me, today.
Europeans, of all people should understand and sympathise with people living under a tyrant's boot. Non-Democratically elected governments have absolutely no right to lecture free societies about right and wrong.

nuff' said. Enough politics. More overclocking!

[lght1]

Hi

Just one more thing. The US government does not control the media.

You must have mistaken us for some European countries such as Nazi Germany and the USSR.

[PimpJack]

Originally posted by Hollywood
No sweat...just grates me a bit...The Palestinians have dug their own grave. If they weren't bombing Israelis every few days, they would of had a Palestinian state 5 years ago.

P.S. I have no problem with Viggen, he's got crazy skill. I just wanted to mention his sig.

Peace,

-Holly

If they had a Palestinian state 5years ago and wouldn't have been terrorised by Israle maybe they wouldn't bomb anyone. (i'm not at all excusing the fact that the Palestinians are murdering people just stating the reason)

JC's sig didn't say anything about jews... just israel. I was under the impretion that israel is a free country for anyone and not a JEWISH only state. I'm roman catholic and if u talk shyt about italy i won't get pisst.

I think some light has to be shed on Israels wrongdoings couse I know the US and CNN won't do it. I' m not at all critisizing Jews just the state of Israel's political decissions. Also its not the US gov sensoring the media its just the fact that media in the US is primarly controled by Jews that have bias towards the Jewish state israel. If u have access to european news networks compare them with lets say CNN.
EX:
cnn: "Palestinians are killing Isrealis"
other: "Sharone wanted in Belgium for sloughtering Palestinians"
cnn: "Sharone and Israel biggest US ally want peace"
Get the drift.



on topic: Intel needs to stop the pursuit of clock speed and go for efficinacy. My amd 2500mhz is faster than any p4 I had at 3+ghz Whats the point of all those hz intel?

[lght1]

Hi


US media controlled by Jews? Sounds just like what one hears coming from Baghdad these days.

However, the palestinians are about to lose their sponsor to the east. I wonder if their up to life without saddam?

[antipop]

Originally posted by charlie


Europeans, of all people should understand and sympathise with people living under a tyrant's boot. Non-Democratically elected governments have absolutely no right to lecture free societies about right and wrong.

Who are you talking about when you speak about non democratically elected?
What the europeans don't understand is why bush want that war so much? North korea is a bigger threat to world peace than saddam, they didn't hid the fact that they have a nuclear program and that they are selling bomb to other countries. But with north korea we can have a deal whereas for saddam (we have no proof of any wrongdoing) it's war at all cost. Bush still hasn't won the war against terrorism and he's starting a new one, Irak won't resolve any problem, it'll only make them worse. That war can destroy the whole middle east :rolleyes: . One last thing all the countries' economy are in bad shape and a war is the worst thing that can happens, it'll send us in a big recession that will make more damage than anything else

I think that that thread should be closed before it goes too far (it reminds me of some threat in another forum);)

[Alexandrus]

Originally posted by lght1
Just one more thing. The US government does not control the media.

Do you really believe that ?


Originally posted by lght1
You must have mistaken us for some European countries such as Nazi Germany and the USSR.

Wow, do you know that from movies ?

Come on guys, let's drop this as it gets not only hilarious but also may lead to flames and fights.

[Fusion]

Jeez, how about sticking to the topic and leaving the current affairs to CNN :)

[Tweaked!]

The o/cing forum is not a place for politics. Politics belong in the Speak freely forum. Please keep this thread on topic or I'll close it.

[calantak]

oh man I love the art of clocking...

[lght1]

Hi

It will all be settled. Soon.

[ronnie0738]

All that matters is who's on top of orb and right now, it's the P4. It's going to be exciting to see the barton and then the 3.2 go head-to-head. :)

[charlie]

me wants 3.2

[TPR- Darwin]

Originally posted by charlie
me wants 3.2

My P3.06 should be here next week, I will be happy with that (for a few days)

PS, as with regard to all the Religious stuff, I dont care if you kneel down in front of the fat bloke, or want to walk around in an orange blanket waving a doorknob, or want to walk around with a towel on your head, that is your choice you have your oppinion and if you are a TRUE BELIEVER you should'nt care about anyone elses oppinions.

PS you dont make your religion look better by dissing someone elses !

[lght1]

Hi

Its terrorism, not religion thats the issue.

Soon.

[lght1]

Hi

Its terrorism, not religion thats the issue.

Soon.

[c7775]

Originally posted by Hollywood
Maybe off topic, but Viggen...you're sig bothers me. I happen to be Jewish and take issue with it.

i really hate this type of selfish and senseless comments that you just happen to label as "the truth". Go back to your little whole and find out what is really happen today. Youll see your massacres are just as bad as they were back then

[lght1]

Hi

Perhaps these comments on the rights of terrorists should be moved to another forum.

Lets keep this one centered on pc hardware shall we.