DFI Venus - - Loosing faith In DFI

[xgman]

Well against my better judgment I thought I would give my socket 939 one more bump before AM2 becomes available. I figured that the Venus board was the culmination of fixing all the problems that have led up to it. Boy was I wrong. First of all let me say a couple of words about the box. It's just a POS cardboard box, plain and simple. get over it> Non issue. :rolleyes:

Now on to more important matters. Number one. Quality Control. in a word, . . None. Sorry guys but I'll give you a couple examples. First off one of the large heat sinks on the Mofsets was soldered on at such a steep angle that it looked like a ski slope from the Olympics. Just the corner touching the mofsets on one side. It was visible from across the room. :rolleyes: I had to yank it out with plyers and re seat it.

Worse than this though was the fact that after 5 different versions of the DFI NF4 boards, all of which had at least one bios issued with USB problems, and the release bios does NOT support USB outside of Windows. No USB cd-rom, No usb keyboard or USB floppy is recognized until I get into Windows. This happened on some older DFI NF4 boards bios as well. Oscar was able to fix this with bios revisions, but would it be too much to ask for the engineers at dfi to plug in a usb keyboard and see if they can get into the bios, or try to boot from a usb cdrom drive before releasing this overpriced board to the public?

Other than that, and some new caps, I really don't see anything different about this board and the expert that I also have other than the fact the expert does boot with USB support and didn't have misfit heatsinks. :rolleyes:
Maybe with AM2 it will be time to try something else again for a change.

Oh well, live and learn.

[kimandsally]

Vote with your feet, buy from a different manufacturer if your sick of them.

[Diverge]

I don't think they have a QC or Product Validation department. I think it goes: Engineering>Production>Retail lol

[Supertim0r]

I don't think they have a QC or Product Validation department. I think it goes: Engineering>Production>Retail lol
hahahaha :D

[xgman]

Vote with your feet, buy from a different manufacturer if your sick of them.

More dissapointed and let down than anything else. :(

[Major]

Production>Retail>Engineering :D

[[XC] leviathan18]

Production>Retail>Engineering :D


LOOOOL awesome :toast:

[bito]

Did you manage to gain ANY benefit overclock wise by going to the Venus from the Expert......??

[TuKo]

Production > Retail > Betatesting > New production with a new box :P

[Eldonko]

Im skipping venus but I will stick with DFI if they come up with something decent for AM2.

[xgman]

Did you manage to gain ANY benefit overclock wise by going to the Venus from the Expert......??

I haven't even tried yet. I was too put off by the usb problem to bother. I have message in to Oscar. maybe he will come through, but can't anything just work? :rolleyes:

[xgman]

Im skipping venus but I will stick with DFI if they come up with something decent for AM2.

I may keep my eye on this for a change:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=3

[Kris]

I may keep my eye on this for a change:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=3

Apples to oranges comparo, Also why the crappy ati chipset? Still I will keep an eye on this, my next rig could very well be intel am2 doesn't meet the challenge....

[J-Mag]

I may keep my eye on this for a change:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713&p=3

Exactly, who cares what AMD can do if conroe and merom are like this...

AMD stock dropped form $40 to $36 since this news. I think they are in deep as long as Intel's yeilds are good.

[linhvndiy]

Well against my better judgment I thought I would give my socket 939 one more bump before AM2 becomes available. I figured that the Venus board was the culmination of fixing all the problems that have led up to it. Boy was I wrong. First of all let me say a couple of words about the box. It's just a POS cardboard box, plain and simple. get over it> Non issue. :rolleyes:

Now on to more important matters. Number one. Quality Control. in a word, . . None. Sorry guys but I'll give you a couple examples. First off one of the large heat sinks on the Mofsets was soldered on at such a steep angle that it looked like a ski slope from the Olympics. Just the corner touching the mofsets on one side. It was visible from across the room. :rolleyes: I had to yank it out with plyers and re seat it.

Worse than this though was the fact that after 5 different versions of the DFI NF4 boards, all of which had at least one bios issued with USB problems, and the release bios does NOT support USB outside of Windows. No USB cd-rom, No usb keyboard or USB floppy is recognized until I get into Windows. This happened on some older DFI NF4 boards bios as well. Oscar was able to fix this with bios revisions, but would it be too much to ask for the engineers at dfi to plug in a usb keyboard and see if they can get into the bios, or try to boot from a usb cdrom drive before releasing this overpriced board to the public?

Other than that, and some new caps, I really don't see anything different about this board and the expert that I also have other than the fact the expert does boot with USB support and didn't have misfit heatsinks. :rolleyes:
Maybe with AM2 it will be time to try something else again for a change.

Oh well, live and learn.

Hey! You can chose what ever you want. It is your money. But I have to tell you that: I used HP USB Keyboard and USB mouse without any problems with shipping Venus's bios in DOS. AND i can do everythings i want with my keyboard. So Please finding your problems before blame these other. Venus is run perfect for me now.

[xgman]

Hey! You can chose what ever you want. It is your money. But I have to tell you that: I used HP USB Keyboard and USB mouse without any problems with shipping Venus's bios in DOS. AND i can do everythings i want with my keyboard. So Please finding your problems before blame these other. Venus is run perfect for me now.

Well then nothing in my statement and assessment changes other than the fact that MY "limited edition" Venus board is DEFFECTIVE and should not have passed quality control then. :rolleyes:

(if I hook up my Expert board or sli-dr with the exact same bios settings and usb devices it works fine by the way)

[uOpt]

Please try reproducing at least one overclock from your old board on the new board.

People like me are bursting for news on whether the new power management actually improves straight overclocks.

[GoThr3k]

me too :D

[xgman]

Please try reproducing at least one overclock from your old board on the new board.

People like me are bursting for news on whether the new power management actually improves straight overclocks.


OK, I'll try later on and see before I pack it up to return.

[Onepagebook]

basically, xgman and everyone here:

Xgman, I can answer your pm here:
Forget about that. I am sick of wating DFI's email and stuff.
I am TOTALLY disappointed.
1st of all, they BS me about when my two golden cpus died on early expert is because I took out the NB heatsink
and put on the as5 so then that kill my CPU. That 's FULLY 500% BS. And that board never rma back..still RMAing....
When I got Oskar's email , we talk about whole situation and he say he will send me a Venus for free. From that time,
I know it will have venus in the near future, but you know what?
he also forgot..but he never forgot to give some big site for freebie ;) Don't tell me WWM can buy venus that early.
Even thought I ask him how my expert rma going, I NEVER got EMAIL back.
After bench all night long, I was quite disappointed, every kinda ram performance decreased except bh-5.
This venus is definitely BS all the way.

[Richteralan]

basically, xgman and everyone here:

Xgman, I can answer your pm here:
Forget about that. I am sick of wating DFI's email and stuff.
I am TOTALLY disappointed.
1st of all, they BS me about when my two golden cpus died on early expert is because I took out the NB heatsink
and put on the as5 so then that kill my CPU. That 's FULLY 500% BS. And that board never rma back..still RMAing....
When I got Oskar's email , we talk about whole situation and he say he will send me a Venus for free. From that time,
I know it will have venus in the near future, but you know what?
he also forgot..but he never forgot to give some big site for freebie ;) Don't tell me WWM can buy venus that early.
Even thought I ask him how my expert rma going, I NEVER got EMAIL back.
After bench all night long, I was quite disappointed, every kinda ram performance decreased except bh-5.
This venus is definitely BS all the way.

Sorry to hear that.

So the Venus is just like Expert but with fancy hardpaper box?:confused:

[xs64]

oops , that hurt :(

[kakaroto]

Just stick with the Ultra/SLi-D, and hopefully DFI release some better stuff when AM2 is here.
I won't even buy the Venus because of the too expensive blackbox. :D

[Onepagebook]

Sorry to hear that.

So the Venus is just like Expert but with fancy hardpaper box?:confused:

Yes, definitely, I know DFI is gonna hate me forever, but that is just what I tell the truth.
Well it can be one of Oskar's master piece, BUT...just not that good as you guys see from someone post 4x512mb ddr550 bh-5;) don't tell me I don't know how to tweak memory especially on a64. I feel my money is going for nothing.

[Richteralan]

Yes, definitely, I know DFI is gonna hate me forever, but that is just what I tell the truth.
Well it can be one of Oskar's master piece, BUT...just not that good as you guys see from someone post 4x512mb ddr550 bh-5;) don't tell me I don't know how to tweak memory especially on a64. I feel my money is going for nothing.

Well, I get the feeling as you before Venus is out.
Just look they spammed every forum with their "Venus first look" thread.;) :rolleyes:

[uwackme]

I would prefer simply a fix for the Vtt on the SLI-DR boards...pre-Expert/Venus.

They used too small a termination resistor, and the regulator is over stressed and goes into shock at high speeds, esp with 4x512M.

Ive got a spare regulator, so I could piggyback a second chip and see if load-sharing could clear the issue. Or I could get a bunch of high value resistor packs... like 52ohm vs 47ohm and that would lower the current maximums, but might also lower the max speed.

Oh well, hopefully the RD580 board from SOMEONE will end up being all things to all people.

[Eldonko]

DFI needs to do some PR and needs forum presence. I havent saw a whoo hoo my DFI is awesome thread in a long time....

[xgman]

basically, xgman and everyone here:

Xgman, I can answer your pm here:
Forget about that. I am sick of wating DFI's email and stuff.
I am TOTALLY disappointed.
1st of all, they BS me about when my two golden cpus died on early expert is because I took out the NB heatsink
and put on the as5 so then that kill my CPU. That 's FULLY 500% BS. And that board never rma back..still RMAing....
When I got Oskar's email , we talk about whole situation and he say he will send me a Venus for free. From that time,
I know it will have venus in the near future, but you know what?
he also forgot..but he never forgot to give some big site for freebie ;) Don't tell me WWM can buy venus that early.
Even thought I ask him how my expert rma going, I NEVER got EMAIL back.
After bench all night long, I was quite disappointed, every kinda ram performance decreased except bh-5.
This venus is definitely BS all the way.


I suspected as much, but sometimes you have to see for yourself. do you know if you could get usb keyboard to work to get into cmos or dos prompt before windows on the venus you tried?

[Richteralan]

DFI needs to do some PR and needs forum presence. I havent saw a whoo hoo my DFI is awesome thread in a long time....

Well I didn't see more DFI PR stuffs back in Lanparty NFII Ultra B time, but everyone says the NFII Ultra B is an awesome board?:confused: ;)

[xgman]

Just stick with the Ultra/SLi-D, and hopefully DFI release some better stuff when AM2 is here.
I won't even buy the Venus because of the too expensive blackbox. :D

For once and for all, the box is nothing more than a black cardboard box with a flimsy drawer. To call if fancy is like calling a Ford Fiesta an exotic car. the box is totally irrelevant and could not have cost them more than about three dollars per box.

[Richteralan]

For once and for all, the box is nothing more than a black cardboard box with a flimsy drawer. To call if fancy is like calling a Ford Fiesta an exotic car. the box is totally irrelevant and could not have cost them more than about three dollars per box.

Remember DFI said because of the box isn't on par with their "quality" they have to delay Venus?:D :cool:

[xgman]

DFI needs to do some PR and needs forum presence. I havent saw a whoo hoo my DFI is awesome thread in a long time....

that's true but then again who is making a whoo hoo worthy 939 board right now?

[xgman]

Remember DFI said because of the box isn't on par with their "quality" they have to delay Venus?:D :cool:


and that was the most rediculous statement that I had heard in ages. even more so when you actually see the dumb box in person. It's such a non issue. It really makes dfi look rediculous. :rolleyes:

[G H Z]

You have to enable USB support in BIOS for you keyboard to work in DOS I thought, still I have had issues with that on RDX and Ultra-D mainly trying to flash BIOS'es. One minute it works, the next nothing.

[ben805]

basically, xgman and everyone here:

Xgman, I can answer your pm here:
Forget about that. I am sick of wating DFI's email and stuff.
I am TOTALLY disappointed.
1st of all, they BS me about when my two golden cpus died on early expert is because I took out the NB heatsink
and put on the as5 so then that kill my CPU. That 's FULLY 500% BS. And that board never rma back..still RMAing....
When I got Oskar's email , we talk about whole situation and he say he will send me a Venus for free. From that time,
I know it will have venus in the near future, but you know what?
he also forgot..but he never forgot to give some big site for freebie ;) Don't tell me WWM can buy venus that early.
Even thought I ask him how my expert rma going, I NEVER got EMAIL back.
After bench all night long, I was quite disappointed, every kinda ram performance decreased except bh-5.
This venus is definitely BS all the way.


holy smoke....that's not what I'd expected to hear, my Venus showed up today right before I went to work so I will have to play with it when I get home tonight, I know you said the memory performance sucks but does it just suck on bandwidth, or they simply can't clock as high as they used to? do you have any memory compatibility issue with it? does TCCD, UCCC, and Micron work on the Venus? I'm willing to trade slightly lower bandwidth for overall stability but definitely won't deal with ram compatibility issue. The older generation with rev AD0 probably still hold the crown for highest memory performance but sooner or later the crappy voltage regulation will more than likely kill something down the road. Looks like this Venus is going to be the last board I ever get from DFI, I'll play with it tonight and if it suck then the Venus along with the Expert will go straight back to newegg :slapass:

[Fixxxer]

I have had a DFI SLI DR, have tried DFI NF4 Ultra D, SLI-DR Expert (and seen it die)... and only had real troubles on SLI DR Expert. Ultra D had some bios problems trying to put it @3.2+ voltage.

DFI has incredible BIOS features, but serious design problems. It seems like they don't check the quality before they sell their boards.

[Richteralan]

bleh, I'm still thinking about which NF4 SLi motherboard I should get..heh to replace my POS Assrock

[xgman]

You have to enable USB support in BIOS for you keyboard to work in DOS I thought, still I have had issues with that on RDX and Ultra-D mainly trying to flash BIOS'es. One minute it works, the next nothing.


I did enable it and also tried switching the usb 5v jumpers just to make sure. No go. :( It doesn't see usb cd drive either. (the expert did)

[cmay119]

You have to enable USB support in BIOS for you keyboard to work in DOS I thought, still I have had issues with that on RDX and Ultra-D mainly trying to flash BIOS'es. One minute it works, the next nothing.


Even with both USB Keyboard and Mouse Disabled in the BIOS. You should still be able to enter the BIOS with a USB keyboard even before those values are enabled.

Not being able to enter the bios with a USB keyboard is unacceptable.

[xgman]

Well I really didn't want to turn this into a dfi bashing thread, but I think if dfi could step up quickly and solve some of these ongoing issues, that would speak volumes, as does the opposite. lets see how they handle or do not handle it this time around.

[Onepagebook]

Certainly my USB devices all work really well;
I don't have any bias on that, just really disappointed about the secondary parameters the bios adjust to
for example, I set micron 2gb 5b-f as 280x11 on my 4600+..

on the ultra-d it can be 2.63~2.67v 32mpassed with MAL=7ns, RP =5ns,
icl=16ns, dynamic counter "enable", stength--->7/3

you know what? on venus,,I can't even boot as the timing I set above,
it need to be changed as followed:

mal: 9ns/ RP: 7ns
icl:256
vdimm need at least 2.75v
8m not stable

common, tell me about that.

[xgman]

Certainly my USB devices all work really well;
I don't have any bias on that, just really disappointed about the secondary parameters the bios adjust to
for example, I set micron 2gb 5b-f as 280x11 on my 4600+..

on the ultra-d it can be 2.63~2.67v 32mpassed with MAL=7ns, RP =5ns,
icl=16ns, dynamic counter "enable", stength--->7/3

you know what? on venus,,I can't even boot as the timing I set above,
it need to be changed as followed:

mal: 9ns/ RP: 7ns
icl:256
vdimm need at least 2.75v
8m not stable

common, tell me about that.

doesn't sound too good. I haven't even really tried that sort of compare yet. Probably not even worth bothering if I can't use usb oustide windows. The board is too expensive to settle for less. I wonder why the performance is so different on yours? It doesn't really appear that the boards or bios is much different than the Expert at all.

[xgman]

another report on lower mem performance.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=447577

So what I don't understand is, what was the point of this release then? :nono: :slapass:

[dinos22]

outch!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok Oscar now release the magic bios for Expert so we can have a decent board :p:

[uOpt]

another report on lower mem performance.

http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=447577

So what I don't understand is, what was the point of this release then? :nono: :slapass:

Another TCCD "wheenie" :)

I like TCCD best, maybe I'm wired. Maybe I don't buy this board.

[DaWaN]

It seems DFI and Asus rush too much with their boards. These issues..... Abit does test and QC pretty good but their design sucks.... Asrock is cool but their boards aren't build for oc'ing, same about Gigabyte, I never had a bad gigabyte board but it isn't the best OC board in the world. Epox is also pretty solid and OC's quite well but it's never THE board to get. S939 guy I think it is better stick to the Ultra-D... Or maybe the A8N32-SLI :)

[perry_78]

You guys got it wrong. I have a NF4 SLI-DR for over a year and an Expert supposedly in the mail.

It goes:

Production->Engineer Saves What He Can->PR Department->Retail

RMA and QC departments are grouped under PR. Maybe that's why Vivian left.

[eva2000]

Vivian left ?

[kcnyc]

Vivian left ?

She's with Corsair now.... :)

[Lastviking]

Certainly my USB devices all work really well;
I don't have any bias on that, just really disappointed about the secondary parameters the bios adjust to
for example, I set micron 2gb 5b-f as 280x11 on my 4600+..

on the ultra-d it can be 2.63~2.67v 32mpassed with MAL=7ns, RP =5ns,
icl=16ns, dynamic counter "enable", stength--->7/3

you know what? on venus,,I can't even boot as the timing I set above,
it need to be changed as followed:

mal: 9ns/ RP: 7ns
icl:256
vdimm need at least 2.75v
8m not stable

common, tell me about that.

Ultra-d is overvolting the vdimm with 0.07+ and i think venus undervolting the vdimm. I´m on my third ultra-d know and is rock solid like the another ones i have tested(all the 3 boards did overvolting on vdimm)

[dinos22]

Vivian left ?
w(ho)th is Vivian

[madgravity34]

A person? Lol....

[dinos22]

:rotf:

[Lastviking]

A person? Lol....

Noo she was a robot :stick:

[Richteralan]

Noo she was a robot :stick:

ooo.....she WAS a robot???
So she's not a robot now???:confused: :eek:

[dinos22]

robots grow up to you know >>>>> cyborg wink wink

[kimandsally]

I don't think they have a QC or Product Validation department. I think it goes: Engineering>Production>Retail lol

Of course they have product validation dept, infact they are very good as their validation dept is massive probably the largest validation department of any motherboard manufacturer in the world I'm surprised you didn't know that.

Unfortunately DFI don't listen to or even talk to the validation dept, they don't even pay them wages, they even charge the vailidation dept for testing the DFI products.

We are the validation department we are the idiots for continueing to by the untested products, if we stopped buying them until they got their act together one of two things would happen, DFI would go bust or they would improve the products to the way they should be before release.

We are the one's who can make this happen, it is up to all of us so we either stick it or stop buying them it's down to us I'm afraid.

[oicurafox2000]

Yes, definitely, I know DFI is gonna hate me forever, but that is just what I tell the truth.

Thank-you for a nonpartisan response. :)

I see alot of Great Overclockers being bought off by the small chance that they might get something for free in the future,or could possibly be the first one with a shot at some new hardware. The problem is they no longer have a nonsubjective option,based on the fact that they may see some more "free" hareware" if they say the right things. <nudge,nudge>

Thanks for keeping it real,and telling like it is,we need more of that.

[AndreYang]

Venus Drive Strength is different from Expert and Ultra-D.

2 Dimm 1T Level 1-1~4-4 (2-4 or 1-4 is best)

4 Dimm 2T Level 7-1~8-4

4 Dimm 1T DDR400~410 Level 9-1~12-4




I think some people don't try to use other Drive Strength. So they think Venus is bad.....


Don't tell me someone still uses Level 7/3 to test 2 Dimm 1T in Venus.

[dinos22]

i'd use my previous knowlede on these with Venus...if it fails start with Auto values and then individual values because we all know suggested Drive/Data Strength values even for previous platforms doesn't give same results for people....you do know what Andrew :p: j/k

[AndreYang]

i'd use my previous knowlede on these with Venus...if it fails start with Auto values and then individual values because we all know suggested Drive/Data Strength values even for previous platforms doesn't give same results for people....you do know what Andrew :p: j/k


I have 2X Retail Box Venus+ 1XES Venus and 20+ pair different Rams(Mushkin GSkill GeIL OCZ Crucial Corsair). All Rams Drive Strength are similar. How does you explain the situation?

[dinos22]

I have 2X Retail Box Venus+ 1XES Venus and 20+ pair different Rams(Mushkin GSkill GeIL OCZ Crucial Corsair). All Rams Drive Strength are similar. How does you explain the situation?
all i can say is that you have too many goodies to play with hehehehhehe send some over here son

[Onepagebook]

Venus Drive Strength is different from Expert and Ultra-D.

2 Dimm 1T Level 1-1~4-4 (2-4 or 1-4 is best)

4 Dimm 2T Level 7-1~8-4

4 Dimm 1T DDR400~410 Level 9-1~12-4




I think some people don't try to use other Drive Strength. So they think Venus is bad.....


Don't tell me someone still uses Level 7/3 to test 2 Dimm 1T in Venus.


don't tell me Venus is good because the strength is set to backward,
and no one say it or you, the XIP merely not elighten us
and you wait until now and watch people struggle and fool us? common give me a break.
what a XIP you are, look like I need to ask Fugger why place you as XIP.
that's fully BS here and that' kinda theory just shame on your XIP staus,
who tell you that? you better just keep your mouth shut or you are fooling all the pissed customer here.

oh, I tell you what, don't ever never pm me left the bad part and only say the good part,
cuz I paid my true money to buy this board,

oh and don't tell me all your ram are purchase by your sorry $$,
when I use my money to buy all the DDR I, I wonder where you are.

If you read some English before you crtize me, I will highly appreciate you.
well or you can back to PCDVD and say louder about your F-bibble.:D
20 pairs es? so what? that merely means you are :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing smart guy no buddy can beat you or what?
I am here to wait for you :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing smart guy.
common I dare you.

[AndreYang]

don't tell me Venus is good because the strength is set to backward,
and no one say it or you, the XIP merely not elighten us
and you wait until now and watch people struggle and fool us? common give me a break.
what a XIP you are, look like I need to ask Fugger why place you as XIP.
that's fully BS here and that' kinda theory just shame on your XIP staus,
who tell you that? you better just keep your mouth shut or you are fooling all the pissed customer here.

oh, I tell you what, don't ever never pm me left the bad part and only say the good part,
cuz I paid my true money to buy this board,

oh and don't tell me all your ram are purchase by your sorry $$,
when I use my money to buy all the DDR I, I wonder where you are.

If you read some English before you crtize me, I will highly appreciate you. well or you can back to PCDVD and say louder about your F-bibble.:D


hmm...look likes dXg shout~~~~haha

[Onepagebook]

hmm...look likes dXg shout~~~~haha

poor guy, you even don't know how to type "DOG"?
how can you get in the MSU? by cheating, oh I am so sorry.:D
ya , I hear you are like SOB shouting and cry for hunger here.
I told you I am here wait for you fully :banana::banana::banana::banana:

[AndreYang]

ya , I hear you are like SOB shouting and cry for hunger here.
I told you I am here wait for you fully :banana::banana::banana::banana:


lol.......dxg shout again~~~~~~:clap:

OSU........lolzzzzz

[dinos22]

:ROTF: i love when OPB gets all excited....and english write up is great too :banana: :lol2:

[bachus_anonym]

Clean up in ISLE 3... Clean up in ISLE 3...

Why do I have to watch your every step guys? Gloves off kids and don't trash this thread anymore! :mad:

[dinos22]

Clean up in ISLE 3... Clean up in ISLE 3...

Why do I have to watch your every step guys? Gloves off kids and don't trash this thread anymore! :mad:
party pooper:stick: :p:

[Onepagebook]

Clean up in ISLE 3... Clean up in ISLE 3...

Why do I have to watch your every step guys? Gloves off kids and don't trash this thread anymore! :mad:


I tell you what michael,
the fact is not what I wanna keep ou busy here:D
think about that, I got a PM want me don't say Venus is bad "better keep it for myself"
and now our great XIP Mr. Yang told me the strength backward thing, is that sound normal to you?
then why all the users don't have any idea?
well even though it's true, then why he hide that until now and let all the people struggle
and he laugh in front of his computer.
I don't know if Fugger allow this kinda XIP ....I am kinda disappointed.

[bachus_anonym]

Kevin,

There is not too many people that have this mainboard yet and there will only be very few anyway -1000pcs right? AndreYang has just posted those suggested settings (in 2 threads) and it's a perfect timming now regardless, If those are right DS/DDS hints or not. Don't make it a soap opera and throw your personal view about AndreYang's X.I.P status. It's just ridiculous and so childish.

EDIT: Posts are back, just to show how silly and childish both of you sound :fact: Just like 2 kids fighting in the sandbox about who gets to play with the bucket first :rolleyes:

[Kris]

I thought we where in a free counrty where you could express your views. Not trying to be a pain in the rear end but a forum is supposed to such a place??

DFI- You can't polish a turd... All you end up with is shiney crap....

[pcdoc1]

We are in a free country, that's why you're free to visit another forum if you have a problem with the rules or mods......

[xgman]

I feel like a guy who cheated on his wife or girlfriend with a better looking girl who in the end was nowhere as nice as the original. Sufficed to say, my Expert is back in and ALL OF THE PROBLEMS ARE GONE! (DFI does make some nice boards when quality control and bios development are running high) By the way, asside from everything else, the memory o/c speed DID take a big hit like OPB and that other report from overclockers forum have already said based on some quick tests I ran. Sorry to whoever might be offended, but at least my opinion of the Venus project is that it is a dud. Going back tomorrow for a full refund incl, shipping. Move along now, nothing else to see here. ;)

[xgman]

i'd use my previous knowlede on these with Venus...if it fails start with Auto values and then individual values because we all know suggested Drive/Data Strength values even for previous platforms doesn't give same results for people....you do know what Andrew :p: j/k

I did the same. Didn't help any. By the way, the memory performance is the least of what was wrong with mine. Floppy controller didn't work right, No usb in bios stage, mofset heatsink mounted at a 45deg angle. Yuck . . . :rolleyes:

[pcdoc1]

Rant:
Looks like DFI is taking another beating. I’m not making any effort to defend them although I’m currently running an eXpert that is my second one as the first one laid down. With that said I’ve spent many years as an Asus Fanboy as well as have owned/tested, like a lot of you guys, tons of boards from Abit, MSI, and Epox. When I look at the 939 choices available today I just don’t see many attractive options. Maybe the 580 stuff will be cool and the next best choice but it’ll take some time to mature so that jury’s still out…

I’m hoping patience will prevail as we’ll soon see some pretty hot Intel stuff and I’d hate to see people start to bail…

Just my 2 cents – Looking AM2 ;)
Regards-

[kcnyc]

w(ho)th is Vivian

Vivian was the PR/Marketing person in DFi. She is now in Corsair, doing the same thing.

[Liudavid]

Expert with 7/12 bios and Venus have the same issue that system lock up randomly when running in SLI as mentioned in the following thread at dfi-street forum :

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44874

Hope DFI can fix the issue as Venus have only 1 bios avaliable and dont give up fixing issue with the old board.

[Richteralan]

Expert with 7/12 bios and Venus have the same issue that system lock up randomly when running in SLI as mentioned in the following thread at dfi-street forum :

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44874

Hope DFI can fix the issue as Venus have only 1 bios avaliable and dont give up fixing issue with the old board.

I doubt there will be a separate team that will work on THE 1000-limited-quantity Venus BIOS.

[RyderOCZ]

If it matters to any of you guys, Tony has his board.
He "played" with it for about 24 hours before he went to CeBit. I am sure he will give you the normal preview and results when he returns.

I can say that during a couple conversations with him he did mention the Drive Strengths as being very different. Rgone from DFI Tech support said the same thing. It in fact clocks TCCx better than the Expert according to both of them. Rgone is very happy with his board, happier than he was with the Expert.

Drive is very different....Try DRAM Drive at Level 1 or 3 for TCCx and Data drive at 30 or 50% reduced :D

Hope that helps.

[xgman]

If it matters to any of you guys, Tony has his board.
He "played" with it for about 24 hours before he went to CeBit. I am sure he will give you the normal preview and results when he returns.

I can say that during a couple conversations with him he did mention the Drive Strengths as being very different. Rgone from DFI Tech support said the same thing. It in fact clocks TCCx better than the Expert according to both of them. Rgone is very happy with his board, happier than he was with the Expert.

Drive is very different....Try DRAM Drive at Level 1 or 3 for TCCx and Data drive at 30 or 50% reduced :D

Hope that helps.

Well, I think I'll stick with the Expert for now. It just works, and I don't have to "try" anything. I guess in the long run the whole thing is sort of moot unless they pump up production. Hopefully Tony has something better to say about them. I do still think DFI is capable of making a kick ass product.

[Onepagebook]

Thank you all you guys and metor "RyderOCZ"
First of all, I dopn't care how many POS you andre yang has
I just care if you have the right settings,
if you respect the XIP title XS promote you,
you should not selfish like that hide in front of your computer and laughing and grab your record
while people struggle all night long just try to find a simple set value of setting

enough, now I am gonna show you guys this:

for what I put the effort all night long, I just figure out the strength settings:
if you are using phase change,
the highest "weak" strngth should be 5 for the best setting for all those "micron,
tccd, uccc" but not absolutely value, you can have 4 or 3 as dram strength.
data strenth can be 2 or 3, just avoid as auto.
also becareful for setting 2gb set 2 dimms.
here is the scoop:
DDR550 micron 5b-f, 3-3-3, 2.64v, 4600+
single stage cooling: during the run:

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4075/dscn16404ir.jpg

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1037/dscn16418kq.jpg

windows catch and points of awareness:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/822/ddr5505bf4px.jpg

[dinos22]

I prefer people to share these things....kinda sick of people winking too much.....it's good that OPB is putting pressure on the other dude.....i think that's fair..... :toast:

[lv_dicedealer]

While there are only a few of us that have this board, there are even fewer that have it running, and yet even fewer that have the thing humming right along.

Kudos to OPB for sharing the info about the memory, shame on A.Y. for not sharing until now as he has had the board for more time than most of us here.

Mine is not even running yet, waiting for the remaining parts to arrive.

With sharing of knowledge comes greater advancements, keep that in mind folks.

[Onepagebook]

well i am more than happy to help all of those who have been struggling on this board.
I am telling you too bad S7e9h3n doesnt have this board,
or we 2 can find the solution really quick.

** for all air cooling users, you can set the strength set as either 3/3 or 3/4 ..even 5/4 , 5/3
for TCCD, aenoen could be 4/3 or 4/2

[bachus_anonym]

There you go, Kevin :) How difficult that was to just use settings that AY has shown and not go throwing insults at eachother? We all often learn often thru experimentation, doing it the hard way. You can't blame AY because he did not tell you the settings earlier... After all, people would figure it out sooner or later, at least those that don't sit and wait until they are given all the settings neccesary to get the board to hum along nicely.
It's really getting old - all that "competition" between you and AY, who has $hit first and who has what better, blah, blah, blah... Why he got it and you did not, etc... Who cares? Just play with the darn board, OK? :) Thanks!

BTW, I'm glad you got the board going now, nice and smooth :up:

[AndreYang]

TCCD

Drive Strength 2-1


DDR622 2.5-3-3-5 32M

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/TCCD/1.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/TCCD/2.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/TCCD/3.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/TCCD/Venus-TCCD.JPG

[pcdoc1]

This turning into a contest of who post the BIGGEST pics... Think I need a bigger monitor.:)

[AndreYang]

UCCC 1GBX2

Drive Strength 2-4

UCCC 1GBX2 DDR 580 3-4-4-8 32M

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/UCCC/1.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/UCCC/2.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/UCCC/3.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/UCCC/4.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/UCCC/Venus-UCCC.JPG

[ken]

nice results there

/OT some1 please add to the title "56K go away" :p

[bachus_anonym]

@AndreYang,

That's more like it :) Thanks for confirming DS/DDS settings you posted earlier, with different memory types :up:
It's much better now :fact:

[ben805]

My Venus is having a completely different experience than both OPB and AndreYang, my Gskill HZ (UCCC) is running on 8/4, 7/3 seems to pass memtest too, haven't detect any error yet but I will have to experience more and try different dram/data strength to see how it goes, but so far this Venus KICK THE LIVING SHIIT out of my Expert, memory bandwidth also outrun my AD0 ultra-D...more results to come soon :D :D :D :D

[Onepagebook]

@ben, are you sure? you gotta convince someone to believe.:D


well folks , I think I have more general solution;
I don't care the crap he is trying to make up right now,
I do myself help and I am the man who standing my own promise to here all

the friends who need help, competition? I don't care either, the only thing I

know is I am capable of kicking his ass but I don't have to, instead of doing

that, I prefer help more members @xs. I better stop this or you'll kill me for

sure. **oh sorry, I did not use his way hook i on my setting, and I don't care.I don't care WTF he try to make something up.;)
I have my own way to do it more effective.

** more update for FSB more than critical points

The pic below, I would like to mention is that when I set the fsb over

280mhz, I have problem about the error message before login windows that

will show the error message about blah blah files can't be read ...memory

setting error....etc.
I was try the deault setting on the ram timings part from bank interleave until

the end of bios except strngth set. The problem I found out is the ICL and

DICC setting.
The original ICL is set to 256CLKS and Disable for DICC. THe fact is that I am

not sure if other IC type except Micron 5bf or my 4600+ memory controller

not fit for that setting. So then I change those two timings for auto. Bingo, it

boot flawless and I am pretty sure this setting can pass 32m for sure.

Hopefully, I can find out more secret about this board and share with you

guys.

BTW, the strength set I did on this 280+ fsb is 3/4..
2/1? WTF?...

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8553/ddr565m5bf5kc.jpg

[hipro5]

I don't mind what ppl say about this board coz I'll never get one for me.....I'm already playing around with one of esdee's board Ultra-D with an FX and 2 x 512MB BH-5......
I'm staying on the thread's starter statement as for the heatsinks onto Power Mos-Fets........If that is correct and the heatsinks aren't attached well onto the mos-fets, I think that we will see many burned Venus later on......

P.S. I just hope that DFI not turn to be like the example that I'm giving below...

A new place that sells Greek souvlaki is opened.......At start they made BIG balls of meat and the whole souvlaki was about 250gr (only the meat).....They ALWAYS were full of customers and you could not even go inside and place your order so as to eat.......AFTER some time their meat was about 150gr and "flat" not rounded(if you can understand what I mean).......Now you can go inside and place your order anytime you want - you will be the only one - NOT crowdy any more........;)

[kcnyc]

A new place that sells Greek souvlaki is opened.......At start they made BIG balls of meat and the whole souvlaki was about 250gr (only the meat).....They ALWAYS were full of customers and you could not even go inside and place your order so as to eat.......AFTER some time their meat was about 150gr and "flat" not rounded(if you can understand what I mean).......Now you can go inside and place your order anytime you want - you will be the only one - NOT croudy any more........;)

Ok now I am lost! :wierd:

[Benny Lodewijk]

Nice work Kevin...:toast:.. waiting for another info about this Expensive Board from you :D.

How DFI handle RMA for this Venus ? Cause this board are very limited.

[AndreYang]

BH5 512MBX2

Drive Strength 2-4

DDR546 2-2-2-5

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BH5/1.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BH5/2.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BH5/3.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BH5/4.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BH5/Venus-BH5.JPG

[Onepagebook]

Nice work Kevin...:toast:.. waiting for another info about this Expensive Board from you :D


I know you have concern about your TCCD, no problem, will give you guys result here later on.:D

[Benny Lodewijk]

@ OPB : i'll never buy Venus for myself. But nice to know how TCCD works in this mobo.

My friend (he works for DFI Disti in my country) already send me this board to test, but i have no enough time to test it now.

[kcnyc]

Is everyone on newegg.com looking at the Venus? Coz newegg just went down! lol

[AndreYang]

Infineon BE-5

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/BE5.JPG


Drive Strength 2-4


DDR500 2.5-3-2-0 2.28V

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/1.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/2.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/3.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/4.JPG

http://andre.kj.idv.tw/Venus-Test/BE5/Venus-BE5.JPG

[ben805]

AndreYang and OPB....very nice results from both of you, keep them coming :D :D :D

[guess2098]

you guys need to sleep...... about 3am over there!

[AndreYang]

AndreYang and OPB....very nice results from both of you, keep them coming :D :D :D


I will test 4 Dimm 2 T tomorrow.

Some people say Venus bad??? lolzzz

[Onepagebook]

I will test aenoen ddr500 2-3-2 32m next week!!
wanna bet who got more weapons or gskill? no prob.
I dare you.:D

Well for me it's not as good as Ultra-D
I did not not say someone's Venus is bad ...
wtf is "lolzzzz"? I am pretty sure someone were cheating in Michigan test.:lol: :eek2:

[bachus_anonym]

I will test aenoen ddr500 2-3-2 32m next week!!! wanna bet who got more weapons or gskill? no prob. I dare you.:D
Well for me it's not as good as Ultra-D I did not not say someone's Venus is bad ...
wtf is "lolzzzz"? I am pretty sure someone were cheating in Michigan test.:lol:Damn Kevin, you just don't want to stop do you? What does that have to do with anything? He's not even showing what brand of memory he's using :rolleyes: Geez... Either post your results here or just leave this thread alone :nono: I'm slowly starting to loose all respect for you :( You're a TeamGroup man now... Be more professional, dude :fact:

[Onepagebook]

Damn Kevin, you just don't want to stop do you? What does that have to do with anything? He's not even showing what brand of memory he's using :rolleyes: Geez... Either post your results here or just leave this thread alone :nono: I'm slowly starting to loose all respect for you :( You're a TeamGroup man now... Be more professional, dude :fact:


Michael, you don't wanna just insult me this way, or I will same lose respect for you as well, the whole thing start from he insult me. let me tell you what, you know me for a while, why I don't have any problem with others? my principle is if you never ever piss me off then I have 100% respect to you, but if you get on my nerves then I just simply pay you back twice you have never thought about. be fiar and be justice mike. Period, you can either ban me or we are still friend. No more.

[ben805]

we are all adults here, sometime taking a step back does not mean defeat, quite the opposite really.... I think we probably would actually gain a lot more by doing so. just relax.... have fun and enjoy doing what you guys do best and leave those negative thoughts and bashing behind, shall we? ;) I would hate to see this thread gone sour as it has some valuable information that helps this community :(

[Bulldog14]

Well I hope you guys get this issue sorted out. I find OPB post's important reading and would find it regretable if they were not around anymore.

DFI Support Europe.

[Dani]

What's up with AndreYang's SP32M time with 2*512mb BH-5@272FSB:confused:
My SP32M time with 2*512mb BH-5 12*250 1:1 is 23m53.***, notice only 250FSB

OPB, can U give me an good advice for EXPERT's DS/DDS with 2*51mb BH-5 and FX-57 on AIR/DI, my BIOS is E704-2BT :)

[Onepagebook]

Hi Dani,
if you are using old expert

Air DS/DDS: I would recommand 5/4 for the most stable result and higher fsb

DI/ phase: I would say 7/3 or 7/4 even 8/3

[Dani]

THX OPB:toast:
My EXPERT is R.A02;)

[AndreYang]

I will test aenoen ddr500 2-3-2 32m next week!!
wanna bet who got more weapons or gskill? no prob.
I dare you.:D

Well for me it's not as good as Ultra-D
I did not not say someone's Venus is bad ...
wtf is "lolzzzz"? I am pretty sure someone were cheating in Michigan test.:lol: :eek2:


I am pretty sure someone were cheating in Ohio test, too.:lol:

[AndreYang]

What's up with AndreYang's SP32M time with 2*512mb BH-5@272FSB:confused:
My SP32M time with 2*512mb BH-5 12*250 1:1 is 23m53.***, notice only 250FSB

OPB, can U give me an good advice for EXPERT's DS/DDS with 2*51mb BH-5 and FX-57 on AIR/DI, my BIOS is E704-2BT :)


Because I open too many CPUZ.

[funkflix]

Sorry, but how old u guys are....? Even funny to read this thread.. :p:

[mongoled]

Sorry, but how old u guys are....? Even funny to read this thread.. :p:
I agree, this is getting rediculous, OPB, could you please take OT comments to PM, although watching the squabling is funny, its distracting the thread, maybe you to could start your own 'female-dog' thread somewhere else. Then we could all have a laugh, whilst this thread stays nice and clean

:D

[bwanaaa]

andre,

do you have any data for infineon ce-6? you know the holy EB 4000 ocz stuff? drive strength, etc...

tnx.

[Onepagebook]

I agree, this is getting rediculous, OPB, could you please take OT comments to PM, although watching the squabling is funny, its distracting the thread, maybe you to could start your own 'female-dog' thread somewhere else. Then we could all have a laugh, whilst this thread stays nice and clean

:D


ok you have pm, and I don't think you can just insult me you POS, think about the whole thing

[perry_78]

Wow. OPB, you take this too far.

You're benching is much appreciated, and despite arriving at different conclusions, it is a bit too much to keep on this flame-like activity for so many pages.

[xgman]

I'm glad to see some people getting some better results that I did at least. I never even got a chance to try any drive strengh settings because my baord was just defective and had to be returned. I started thinking that I got some sort of "test"/"sample" board because when I first went into the bios it was clear that the board had been set up and had the date set and not cleared. On every new board I have ever owned the date was cleared. Anyway no matter, good luck and hopefully mine was an isolated case.

[mongoled]

ok you have pm, and I don't think you can just insult me you POS, think about the whole thingI find you behaivoir completely disgraceful, the PM i received from you is not something i expected, swearing is not the way to communicate with people, i dont care who you are, but your foul language is not something ANYBODY should have to put up with. I will be forwarding your PM to peeps who care abt XtremeSystems, such vulgar language because of the comments i made is not reasonable. I dont know what your problem is, but you definately have one

:mad:

[Onepagebook]

why people always point to me
sure, I removed all the page.
hey Mongoled watch your words