PSU died and killed almost everything :(

[Fr3ak]

My psu died last night and now it looks like the ultra-d, opteron 144, 7800gt, 1gb twinmos ch5-utt and a 36gb raptor are also dead :/
Looks like only the dvd drive and one raptor survived :(
I am quite pissed off now and I wont be able to buy new stuff for the next few months cos I dont have the money :/
The sad thing is, that I had the BOINC folders of 2 other pcs on that rig, cos they have really small hdds. Cant run Rosetta on them until I get new, bigger hdds.
We just started to get better scores again with team_germany and I am really sorry for the 1.5k we lose per day because of this :/

[CRUSH-ER]

Godspeed man. I hope everything turns out ok for you. :(

[thegoatman]

wow a seasonic did this? that's tough... I know if it were me, they'd be getting a REALLY angry letter.

[runmc]

Sorry Man :( I hope your wrong about all those components. Best to ya..

[shmaa]

Ouch man... that sucks real bad. You're positive all that hardware is dead? :(

[uOpt]

What PSU?

[Frisch]

Was it the 430/500/ or the 600W you had.

[Rodzilla]

Man... I had a couple PSUs die... and have seen Loads of systems with dead PSUs... and never once did they take anything else out with them.

Really strange...

[thegoatman]

somebody had a flawed overvolt protection...

[NickS]

Wow man, that sucks. I'd call up that PSU company and rip them a new :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :banana:

[rob[GL]]

That Sucks!

[Fr3ak]

Was a Seasonic S12 500W 2 moths old. I have already had dead psus, but they didnt die like this one did :/
From what it sounded like, there were very high volts going through everything until I pulled the cable out. Must have been about 20s. The Ram, gfx card and a raptor are dead for sure. Dont know about the board and Opteron, because that was my only s939 system, so I cant try other components. That was a terrible week for me. Couldnt have been any worse :/ And there are still 2 days left :(

[shmaa]

That is crap. Any chance for a RMA on anything?

[Pinnacle]

WOW, sorry to hear that! your gonna need alot of these:toast:

[gpcola]

Sorry for your loss :(

[thegoatman]

I think in situations where one piece of hardware takes out others, the makers of the responsible component should pay for the replacement parts. Just one man's personal opinion.

[mad mikee]

And tell them that a few thousand people are watching to see how they resolve the fact that their DEFECTIVE PSU caused destruction of many $$$ of equipment. (Use that terminology if they start trying to blow you off). Find out every contact and start griping (Try the polite attempts 1st of course :D ). See if that helps. I'm assuming that you were not overloading the PSU in any way ?

[ex2cib]

i kinda agree with mikee

if you did everything right, and their psu died and took everything else with it, they should replace everything that went down with the ship.

if not, seasonic gets bad rep points @ XS (which happens to be one of the best(if not) OCing sites in the world ;))

[Frisch]

Fr3ak, i tried the PSU calculater, with the information i could get from your Sig.
If you could put the hole System in there, please report back what you get.
You should contact Seasonic.
PSU Calculator (http://www.extreme.outervision.com/index.jsp)

[Fr3ak]

Will write something to them tomorrow. I need a few beers now first and I wanna check if the board and cpu are also dead before that. I have another Seasonic S12, a 380W , so I can at least test wether both are still working or if one of em is also dead.
My uncle had a lot of issues with Seasonic psus in the past. Maxdata, which is a huge pc builder had them in their pcs and they all died at the same time. I should have listend to him and bought a ocz or whatever instead :/

Edit: About overloading: Dont think I did. I was running Rosetta for 2 months now non stop and according to my ups, the wattage at load was less than 225W. The psu is sli ready, thats why I bought it in the first place, in case I ugrade to sli.

Edit2: According to that calculator, it says recommended PSU 466W, but I dont think my cpu has 236W... No way I could cool it with just a BT.. And the gfx card was at 2d mode,not 3d.

[chew*]

preety cool frisch. I like it. It calls for a 441 watt psu for my rig so i guess im safe with a seasonic s12 500 watt. Btw I blame the ultra D and its piss poor power regulation. Computers are similar to car stereos and in car stereos amplifiers don't blow speakers, distortion blows speakers, speakers blow amps via feedback.

Ive had a few elcheapo PSU's die in the past......Mobo was the only thing killed, If other hardware was killed I'd start to look to other components as the cause. Only thing that i can think of that would cause a domino effect of dead hardware is a mobo......And once the MOBO starts blowing stuff up there are bound to be shorts which will kill a PSU.

[2fink]

sry freak! those is very bad!
i will look if i can find some old hdds for you, so your crunchers could get back up again! :) how much space you need?

[shmaa]

Computers are similar to car stereos and in car stereos amplifiers don't blow speakers, distortion blows speakers, speakers blow amps via feedback.

Not true... but I'll try not to stray this thread off topic for once because of its serious nature.

[Frisch]

preety cool frisch. I like it. It calls for a 441 watt psu for my rig so i guess im safe with a seasonic s12 500 watt
Futher more, it's the peak you get.

Will write something to them tomorrow. I need a few beers now first and I wanna check if the board and cpu are also dead before that. I have another Seasonic S12, a 380W , so I can at least test wether both are still working or if one of em is also dead.
My uncle had a lot of issues with Seasonic psus in the past. Maxdata, which is a huge pc builder had them in their pcs and they all died at the same time. I should have listend to him and bought a ocz or whatever instead :/

Edit: About overloading: Dont think I did. I was running Rosetta for 2 months now non stop and according to my ups, the wattage at load was less than 225W. The psu is sli ready, thats why I bought it in the first place, in case I ugrade to sli.

I just got a s12 430 a week ago, instead of a chill SSSSSHHHH.......TTTTTT.
Haven't applied it yet.
The funny thing is, that my one 12v rail PSU were more stable than two i have tried with 2 12v rails.
It seems to me that when they swicth their production from the one rails to two, trouble arise.
The chill (Danish one) with one rail, still do it's job, but their new line of PSU's with two rails, have been nothing but trouble.

[chew*]

Not true... but I'll try not to stray this thread off topic for once because of its serious nature.

Anything that runs off DC is susceptible to feedback...

[Movieman]

Go with MikeE's idea..a call to Seasonic, take your time and don't get emotional or mad. That you can do AFTER your off the phone.
Explain it calmly and that you don't beleive that you should suffer this kind of loss due to the failure of one of their parts. Then take a breath and listen. You may get lucky. Don't call the first second they open. Wait an hour. Let them wake up and have their coffee. You want a receptive ear, not one thats still waking up or remembering the Mrs yelling as he went out the door.
Most good sized companies have funds to cover "public relations"..the things that normal warranty channels don't.
Patience and timing can work.Whatever you do, do NOT lose your temper! If you do they hang up and you have lost. Even if they tell you to go to hell, be pleasant..Thats just round one.. Good Luck my friend!

[chew*]

Can you explain that frisch? I'm assuming you mean the seasonic s12 is 500 watt peak? If thats the case and it has 80 % effeciency that means then what your saying is if my rig calls for 441W i'm actually underpowered...

[Frisch]

I'm saying two things, the watt you get from the calculator is your systems peak, which means that your system in a total load situation, will hit 441 watt.
Second, you are right, the PSU's has up to 80%, so you are at the limit.

[uOpt]

Can you explain that frisch? I'm assuming you mean the seasonic s12 is 500 watt peak? If thats the case and it has 80 % effeciency that means then what your saying is if my rig calls for 441W i'm actually underpowered...

No, the 500 watts is output, the efficiency is between A/C and output, so 80% means that it will pull 625 watts out of the A/C.

I can only repeat that the PSU calculator does not match any of the results I get out of my powermeter (sorry).

In any case, you didn't kill the PSU by overload. And even if you did, it is supposed to have overvoltage protection. Some single components killed from a second before the protection kicks in, fine. 20 seconds frying killing most components doesn't sound like working protection.

[Frisch]

No, the 500 watts is output, the efficiency is between A/C and output, so 80% means that it will pull 625 watts out of the A/C.
Right, my bad.

[Frisch]

Fr3ak, we are all looking in here to see how things turn out, please report back.
Don't get too drunk, you should bee in good shape, when the fight begins.

[Fr3ak]

hehe will do.
First of all I want to make sure what has been damaged and what not before I make wrong accusations.
But a fact is that the overvolt protection did not work and I dont even want to imagine what would have happend if I didnt pull the power cord off.
Going to bed now and looking forward to test everything tomorrow.

[Rhymers]

Son of a ... - that sucks bigtime!
I am really sorry for you, for Rosetta & our team but especially for you personally , Fr3ak. Hope it left some of your precious.

[raju]

Hi,

this is the first time I have seen anything negative with a seasonic, in general they seem to take praise from most places.

I feel for you man, gut wrenching!!!

I hope this works out, and also if seaonic are to blame, I hope they have the decency to rectify the matter, though I think it will be tricky..........

Raju

[raju]

Hi,

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=27&threadid=1785339&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

read the 3rd post from the bottom of the page (page 2), there is promise for you yet dude. Then read near the bottom of the 3rd, seasonic are a decent company!

Thanks
Raju

[Frisch]

Hi,

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=27&threadid=1785339&frmKeyword=&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

read the 3rd post from the bottom of the page (page 2), there is promise for you yet dude. Then read near the bottom of the 3rd, seasonic are a decent company!

Thanks
Raju
Great read, and thanks for digging that up.:toast:
My psu died last night and now it looks like the ultra-d, opteron 144, 7800gt, 1gb twinmos ch5-utt and a 36gb raptor are also dead :/
Looks like only the dvd drive and one raptor survived :(
I am quite pissed off now and I wont be able to buy new stuff for the next few months cos I dont have the money :/
The sad thing is, that I had the BOINC folders of 2 other pcs on that rig, cos they have really small hdds. Cant run Rosetta on them until I get new, bigger hdds.
We just started to get better scores again with team_germany and I am really sorry for the 1.5k we lose per day because of this :/
Well, after a month of back and forth I was told today that Seasonic has purchased replacement components for me.

Had to ship all the dead stuff to them first.

Since there is a known compatibility with the Ultra-D and the S12-600, I think I'm going to sell the Ultra-D when it gets here and buy the DFI board based on the ATI CrossFire 3200 chipset.
Well, i know you got the 500, but somehow DFI is having compatibility problems with the Seasonic.
So maybe the answer is here.:toast:

Edit:
DFI is not complying with the form factor spec - SS is complying.

[STEvil]

That PSU calculator is a bit off.. says I need a 483w PSU for my opteron 165 at stock speed (1800mhz 1.35v) and a 643w PSU at 2700mhz 1.45v...

[Fr3ak]

I tested the gfx card in a mates pc and it seems to work :) I forgot to take the power adaptor with me, so I had to run it without it, but it seemed to work. No idea why is didnt work on my tforce. Will try it again later.
One Raptor sounds a bit odd, but it seems to work. Scanning it right now.
Will have to get a 24pin psu first, before I can try the board and cpu. The 380W Seasonic 380W I have is a rev A1, which is said to have a lot of probs with the ultra-d, so I am not going to test it.
Managed to oc the 2800+ to 2780mhz R@H stable, so I have at least one rig crunching right now.

[Frisch]

I tested the gfx card in a mates pc and it seems to work :) I forgot to take the power adaptor with me, so I had to run it without it, but it seemed to work. No idea why is didnt work on my tforce. Will try it again later.
One Raptor sounds a bit odd, but it seems to work. Scanning it right now.
Will have to get a 24pin psu first, before I can try the board and cpu. The 380W Seasonic 380W I have is a rev A1, which is said to have a lot of probs with the ultra-d, so I am not going to test it.
Managed to oc the 2800+ to 2780mhz R@H stable, so I have at least one rig crunching right now.
:toast:
Ultra D and Sesonic = no good apparently.
Did you read the Thread that were linked.

[NickS]

DFI is not complying with the form factor spec - SS is complying.

Figures. :rolleyes: Their boards wreck so much havok, hah.

Well, let's hope Seasonic doesn't know that so he can at least get an RMA. ;)

[Fr3ak]

I read the thread yes, but it seems that the rev A1 psus are causing lots of problems whereas the A2 doesnt. I had the A2 in the Opteron, but my 380W is a rev A1, so I am not gonna try it in the Opteron rig. From what I read you cant even boot in case you have the problems. but it ran fine for 3 months, so I d say that wasnt my problem. The psu just failed after 2 months of running Rosetta. Could have happen with any other psu too I suppose. Will try to get a 24pin psu within the next few days to see if the board and cpu are still runnning.

[Fr3ak]

sorry doublepost