Why do my sticks have BE-5 ram on them ?

[CandymanCan]

So before i bought my HX ram i was told by G.skill technition that the ZX ram has "Infineon" and the HX has Infineon CE-6 ram.

After spending 3 day's being frustrated with my poor overclocks i decited to to get a magifying glass with a really bright lite to look @ my chips through the holes on the heatspreaders. After reading this review http://www.pc-experience.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=20024 it seems i have BE-5 or CE-5 ram ?

My question is do these really have BE-5 chips ??? G.skill technition you told me that the HX has CE-6 and older ones have be-6 Infineon and thats why its more expensive then the ZX ram. Why does my HX have BE-5 ?

:nono: :slapass:

[CandymanCan]

O ya You also said we found that BE-6 yes 6 was unstable so we switched to CE-6.

Now if they had BE-6 ram on them before why does mine have BE-5 on them. ?

[CandymanCan]

Could this be why G.skill is reluctant to tell us which has which

[uOpt]

I have never seen a claim that HX has CE-6.

We (forum users) always assumed that ZX has CE-6, but even that was never officially confirmed.

[CandymanCan]

Here

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=89898


well you should really check the date of each post...

when i said HX is not good, that is about at around Oct, Nov

then we found out BE-6 is very unstable so we change to CE-6 and tested on DDR500 for each kit.


They Used BE-6, changed to CE-6 and i have BE-5 lol

[G.S Technician]

HX was using BE-5/6 at 8/05 to 9/05 then we switch to CE-6
I did said HX is not good to overclock when the 10/05 if you can search from the forum. then at the 11/05 we start speed bin the all GBHX at DDR500 memtest86+. who every stated HX is using BE-6? and we never stated ZX is using CE-6!!

[CandymanCan]

I never said you said the ZX has CE-6 re-read my post, then go to my link up top and re-read youre post. You said BE-6 not BE-5/6. My memory is using BE-5, im going to RMA it because i didnt get either BE-6 or CE-6. Now you said BE-5/6 so which is it ?

I basicly bought the ZX ram for $126. I know the ZX uses BE-5

[G.S Technician]

ok BE-6 and i told you we are using CE-6 now, believe or not
ZX is not BE-5 or BE-6 or CE-5 or CE-6

[CandymanCan]

Then why do i have BE-5. If you said BE-6 and CE-6 explain please.

I guess i got some old BE-5 you guys had in the junk house and stuck it on youre PCB and labled it as HX and jacked the price up right ?

[G.S Technician]

how do u know it is BE-5?

[CandymanCan]

I looked through the top of the heatspreaders.

I also found this pic from review someone did recently on the ram

http://www.pc-experience.de/Bilder-Reviews/Sirius2/gskill.8.jpg

[G.S Technician]

well i told you it is CE-6, believe or not is really up to you man

[CandymanCan]

Lol and im telling you my memory says BE-5. This picture in this link says BE-5. I belive that some have CE-6 but im telling you mine has BE-5 care to explain ?

http://www.pc-experience.de/Bilder-Reviews/Sirius2/gskill.8.jpg

This picture is from this review of the G.skill HX ram.


http://www.pc-experience.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=20024

[G.S Technician]

the pic is 8E-5....

[CandymanCan]

That is BE-5. There is no such thing as 8E-5. I cant translate this for you but this part in the review he is saying it is either BE-5 or CE-5. So I have either BE-5 or CE-5 memory on my stix if i am reading this correctly.

If i find out that this 8E-5 is truly BE-5 ram which im pretty sure it is :banana::banana::banana::banana: is gonna hit the fan




Die eingesetzten Speicherchips sind nicht exakt zu identifizieren, sollen aber laut Hersteller speziell von Infineon für G.Skill gefertig worden sein. Stellt sich die Frage, ob nun Infineon BE-5 oder CE-5 eingesetzt wurden, was G.Skill leider nicht preisgab und auf den Chips ist kein verwertbarer Hinweis zu identifizieren...

[G.S Technician]

i already gave away too much info in here that i should not said!
just do whatever you like and if you think that is BE-5 then believe what you believe. i swear to you that from what my boss and lap told me it is CE-6!

[CandymanCan]

I will be digging up more stuff on this 8E-5. In the german reviews they are saying the 8E-5 they cant Identify it 100% but it is either BE-5 or CE-5 ram.

Have you ever thought youre Boss could have been lying to you just so you can tell people on the forums you go to that they are BE-6 or CE-6 when they really arent ?

Now the ram also says C6 in the first2 numbers on the chips i will dig all this up that might mean there CE-6. but then the 8e-5 could mean BE-5 or ce-5

[G.S Technician]

btw just wanna know what is the month of your 1GBHX
0510,0511,0512,0601,0602?

also i am not lying about anything i said!

[CandymanCan]

Where would this be on the chips themselves ? If it is im not sure because i never took the Heatspreaders off i only looked as far as i could go and saw the 8e-5

[G.S Technician]

I will be digging up more stuff on this 8E-5. In the german reviews they are saying the 8E-5 they cant Identify it 100% but it is either BE-5 or CE-5 ram.

Have you ever thought youre Boss could have been lying to you just so you can tell people on the forums you go to that they are BE-6 or CE-6 when they really arent ?

Now the ram also says C6 in the first2 numbers on the chips i will dig all this up that might mean there CE-6. but then the 8e-5 could mean BE-5 or ce-5
C64M8 i think it means 64*8 chip

[CandymanCan]

After looking really close on my chips through the heatspreaders i was able to dig up this.

C64M5G7Z55E-5 Now the 5G part in not sure on its either a G or a 6 or the 5 is either 6 or 5 i couldnt see it very well.

Where would the date be for the ram?

Im not saying youre lying. Im saying G.skill might be lying im not 100% sure but after reading that review and having there suspisions of BE-5 or CE-5 ram i also am wondering how to really tell what kind of ram you have

[G.S Technician]

the date is on your 1st 4 # of S/N

i am off now i will let you know if i can still found some old HX's chip from warehouse

[CandymanCan]

Mine is 0512

[CandymanCan]

I was talking a friend of mine, and he couldnt Idenify the ram on the chips either, but after checking out the overclocks people have been getting including me and other reviews he thinks there is no way the ram is CE-6, he thinks its BE-5 also.

You ever heard of a Branch of Infineon called Aeneon? Could these chips be from them ? Crappy versions of CE-6 or something ?

Am i getting warmer ?


I called Newegg up, RMA'ing the ram, i asked for them to give me a Module with a date of 06XX, Maybe my old 0512 is the BE-6/5 ram? If i get something in 2006 like you said it'll be "CE-6". When i get this ram Ill test it out and check the chips to see the difference.

[G.S Technician]

I was talking a friend of mine, and he couldnt Idenify the ram on the chips either, but after checking out the overclocks people have been getting including me and other reviews he thinks there is no way the ram is CE-6, he thinks its BE-5 also.

You ever heard of a Branch of Infineon called Aeneon? Could these chips be from them ? Crappy versions of CE-6 or something ?

Am i getting warmer ?


I called Newegg up, RMA'ing the ram, i asked for them to give me a Module with a date of 06XX, Maybe my old 0512 is the BE-6/5 ram? If i get something in 2006 like you said it'll be "CE-6". When i get this ram Ill test it out and check the chips to see the difference.
Aeneon i am not sure but HX is ce-6, the old one can do DDR500 CL2.5 with low voltage is BE-5/6 <-- this one i need to check and make sure

by the way -5 is DDR400 and -6 is DDR333
-5 is better than -6

[CandymanCan]

K thanks for the Info.

What about my date of 0512. See the friend i was talking about the Aeneon thing has a frend who is one of the head boss's @ Mushkin i asked him to look @ the chips in the pics above and tell me what he can get from them. He said that if they were CE-6 from Infineon they would have no problem doing 260-270mhz. He thinks that it is probly BE-5 or it could be really bad quality CE-6 from that branch of Infineon called Aeneon.

S754 over S939 doesnt matter in this the S939 DFI board is almost the same as my S754 board. If i am only able to get 240mhz stable on this ram then something is wrong its either not CE-6 and the BE-5 or its really poor quality CE-6 ram. Do you know if the newer dates of 2006 are any good have you tested them out ?

[G.S Technician]

CE-6 & CE-5 are both doing so bad after 08/05, that is why eveyone doesn't have enough DDR500 3-3-2-5 in stock!
just let you know we have so many CE-5 CE-6 BE-5 modules but we don't sell it. one of the reason is becasue DDR500 guarantee is harder than you think or that "your friend" think! CE-5 CE-6 is only rated at 400 and 333 as guarantee by infineon! which means infineon don't care about overclock even it only does 405 they will label as CE-5! man i really want to del what i wrote lol

anyways i try 5 stick of HX at DFi Ultra-D and all they do 500 3-3-2-5 super pi.. but i have not yet test 3D yet! will let you know

[CandymanCan]

Well dont say anything that will breach youre contract with G.skill Numnuts lol.

Thanks for youre Help. See i knew you guys used BE-5 and CE-5 ram. You cant hide it from me :cool:

Just delete what you wrote I'll pretend i never saw it.

[G.S Technician]

Well dont say anything that will breach youre contract with G.skill Numnuts lol.

Thanks for youre Help. See i knew you guys used BE-5 and CE-5 ram. You cant hide it from me :cool:

Just delete what you wrote I'll pretend i never saw it.
lol don't worry, i just barely tough it! i think i will be fine!
but just let you know, i fight for the customer, not G.skill
I "suggest" my manages and boss more then customers ask question to me! in price, performence, and more
but there still something we can not control such as infineon, samsung chips. they only guarantee DDR400, we can't ask them to give us "best" overclock chip.
but serious! just like i stated before! i never lie to our customer!
ppl said some test is handpick! yeah i agree and i will post "this is handpick" on the thread!
at the begining, HX is using BE-5 or BE-6 (either one of them but not both) DDR500 CL2.5 superb! then BE-5/6 become end of life and carp out, we switch to CE-6!
in your case! yeah maybe the you get the carp one BE-5 maybe but the chance is very low! i check the 0512 there are only 4 out of 30 stick using BE-5/6, why? hehe i know how to look at it! also both 4 stick can do 2.5 500. well anyways. i hope you can get the BE-5 actually cuz that is the best!!! DDR500 2.5 with 2.4v, so good!

[CandymanCan]

I never cared about garunteed overclocks. I told you i was happy with 230-240mhz the thing is if it was CE-6 it should OC much higher. Either the chips are of bad quality like you mentioned or something else. I just wanted to get the bottom of this cuss so many people are asking the same question which is, What type of ram do i have and what do they use.

There is no ram for $120 that will do 240mhz 2.5-3-2-5-1t in 1gig sticks that i know off so im happy. I just wanted to see what kinda of chips i have and how to check it.

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then at the 11/05 we start speed bin the all GBHX at DDR500 memtest86+
What the heck? Is that why mine won't budge over 250MHz?!

[CandymanCan]

So youre telling me, you put a speed Cap on the HX @ 250mhz ? Could that have been why i couldnt get 250mhz game stable ?

What does Speed Bin mean exactly ?

[G.S Technician]

speed bin means if memtest86+ fail on 500, it will no label as HX
but memtest86 doesn't guarantee windows stable!

[CandymanCan]

speed bin means if memtest86+ fail on 500, it will no label as HX
but memtest86 doesn't guarantee windows stable!


So what do you do to the chips that are soppose to be HX'S but dont pass memtest86 @ ddr500. Im guessing you lable them as the ZX's right ?.

Its funny right after i mentioned this BE-5/CE-5 thing. That german review i linked here changed the whole review is different saying exactly what you told us here that before October they were using BE-5 (you said be-6 until recently) and now it says after october they use CE-6. Did G.skill contact him and tell him to change it lol?

[G.S Technician]

So what do you do to the chips that are soppose to be HX'S but dont pass memtest86 @ ddr500. Im guessing you lable them as the ZX's right ?.

Its funny right after i mentioned this BE-5/CE-5 thing. That german review i linked here changed the whole review is different saying exactly what you told us here that before October they were using BE-5 (you said be-6 until recently) and now it says after october they use CE-6. Did G.skill contact him and tell him to change it lol?
label to ZX maybe but this i am not sure! i don't do the lab work.\

i think BE-6 is wrong should be BE-5, i am not sure there are BE-6 chips lol

i don't think we contact them. at least i didn't get the email.

[CandymanCan]

there are be-6 chips, this review here. I think that G.skill does the same thing putting be-5/be-6/ce-5/ and ce-6 in there ZX and HX and whichever overclock better they lable as HX and the ones that dont oc well they label as ZX. Cuss i nthis review the highest he got was 255mhz. Which sounds like these HX sticks. So you guys must be using BE-5 and BE-6 and CE-6. Thats why it seems some sticks overclock way higher then others because they all have different ram on emm. are you 100% sure everything During and after December of last year is using CE-6, or are they still using the BE-5/6

http://www.insanetek.com/review.php?id=20&page=2

I wonder what the new HV ram will use. drr500 with 3-3-2-5-1t. Could these be HX sticks that G.skill tested and confirmed to work 100% stable @ ddr500 or are these some kind off TCCD sticks ?

Do you know how much the HV kits will cost 1gb and 2gb ?

I bet you a million dollers you guys switched the chips in the HX to something of lower quality/overclocking so you could save up a stockpile of whatever you used in the HX before that would reach really high speeds and put them in the HV ram.

I almost wonder. You told me that the older BE-5/6 HX ram overclocked alot better then the new CE-6 chips in the HX now. Why did you switch to CE-6 in the first place? You guys moved to CE-6 and put the BE-5/6 in youre new HV ram and labled it as ddr500 because you knew it would handle these speeds without a problem. I bet you thats exactly what happend, and why the ZX and HX ram are not like they used to be.

Youre ZX ram i bet use to use BE-5/BE-6 ram and when the HX came you switched the ZX with chips not as high of quality hense why they dont overclock very good anymore. You put those chips the ZX used to have in the HX ram when it was new. Now that the HV ram is out it seems the same thing is happning again. HX not ocing very good anymore and HV is.

I wish G.skill would tell us these things and stop keep it a secret

[G.S Technician]

there are something we can't tell, if you ask question to OCZ Mushkin, they won't tell you either

2GBHV only use CE-5 chip and HX is using CE-6, and ZX is not using HX's speed bin left! it using its own ic. ic will not mix together

and your question i don't need to answer! as the rule of every company! if you ask OCZ Mushkin they wont say even 1 word to you. i am kind enough to let you know a lot of detail

G.Skill is not only Moduel maker, we also is chip reseller. the sticks don't passed the speed bin we don't need to sell it under our name! and from now i will not answer any of your further question which is not relat to the timing question

for GBHX, ZX we only guarantee DDR400, GBHZ, GBZX is DDR500. there is no guarantee of overclock!

[CandymanCan]

You dont have to answer my questions. I already know the answer. You have already giving me enough info to satisfy me.

Thanks for youre time. People were wondering which chips these memory's use and now they have there answer HV use CE-5 as you said, HX use BE-5/6, and CE-6, ZX is still unknown but i belive it is also a form of BE-5/6 ram.

Thanks for youre time again, i hope you dont get in trouble for all this, but it was bound to happen people ask questions about everything it is Inevitable

[LiQU!D]

for GBHX, ZX we only guarantee DDR400, GBHZ, GBZX is DDR500. there is no guarantee of overclock!

Hehe, you just guaranteed DDR500 on the GBZX. :slap: