Intel core duo T2600 VS. FX60...

[Dumo]

Heres '06 comparo....

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/192/screenshot0224pb.jpg
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3947/screenshot0236ew.jpg

Heres the link to T2600 result....http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showpost.php?p=3262283&postcount=233
That SP1 is amazing..

[Waus-mod]

Only @ 3g yonah :D hahaha imagine 4g on ln2

[urbanfox]

I want to see some '01 action :slobber:

[IvanAndreevich]

Can you bench @ same clock?

[Dynasty]

Yonah T2600 is looking very strong. :)

That screenie has voltage reading 2.992.

[ahmad]

Can you do a comparison with similar drivers? I think that would be more fair. .6599 is slightly newer which might give it an edge.

But in either case, looks very very impressive for preliminaries :woot:

[DaWaN]

That FX60 is on Phase and the Yonah on air..... Imagine a Yonah with subzero, that'll be awesome !!! Now imagine a Conroe which is faster per clock and also does more Mhz !!!! Anyway i think Yonah is way to go for now :toast: Those CPU's are wicked

[nachthymnen]

Wow!!!:slobber:
I like Yonah!!!:clap: :D

[wwwww]

Can you ask them to get some 01 benches?

And while you're at it, ask them to send me their board ;)...

[[cTx]Philosophy]

Man I remember back a few months ago there was a special at dell on pre order lappies with these and 7800go for under 2k
I missed it, and now im regretting it badly..

[kiwi]

There is no need to bench @ the same clock because yonah would own FX by a huge margin :)

Yes it is on air, as I understand on boxed like cooler and only 1.5V since that is the max. of the board and low FSB.

21-22s SP on air is insane

[Fabius88]

great!!
i was attending some 3dmark just to compare it to FX and this is amzing!!:slobber: :woot:
i WANT an Aopen..but no one knows if it is possible to go up to 266mhz fsb??

thanks:)

[Winterwind]

try something colder, maybe theres a el crapo coldbug @ 30c:nono: :D

[M.Beier]

try something colder, maybe theres a el crapo coldbug @ 30c:nono: :D

Coldbug on yonah, no way :P

Im gonna make a DICE run when I get mine, but had some issues with paypal, so it'll probaly be about 2 weeks from now.

ARGH, SPI @ 18 sec should be possible for 24/7 !! (-30 cold liquid)

[Dumo]

And retail price on this monster all of the sudden climbed $200 more:( http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=86119

[M.Beier]

#15

I figured it would, Im freakin' happy I bought early :D
In Denmark, its 800$ <- now thats a price 2 cry about :(

[mikeguava]

Here are some nice compro charts of a T2500 vs the rest:
T2500 is on the Aopen 975X board, AMDs on Asus A8N-Deluxe board and 900/800/600 Intels on an Inel 975 board.

05:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/4613/3dmark055pf.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(driver 67.99)
03

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5064/3dmrk036ij.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(driver 67.99)


06:

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/4669/3dmark068wm.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
(driver 81.98)

http://www.tecchannel.de/technologie/prozessoren/434536/index21.html

[mikeguava]

Crossfire does not work on Aopen Yonah board for now - but hopefully soon a new bios will fix that.

[Waus-mod]

It sure will.... Yonah is gonna kick some :banana:
I ordered a 2600ES and hopefully a aopen sample

[Fabius88]

It sure will.... Yonah is gonna kick some :banana:
I ordered a 2600ES and hopefully a aopen sample

an Aopen sample...??:slobber:
and where the t2600...?:slobber: :slobber: :D

[Waus-mod]

As example look into the for sale section.. FCG sells ES :)

[hicookie]

DAMM! 21s WITH AIR COOLING........:slobber:

:( I WANNA YONAH...............)

[Rufus7]

No 19.953 Stockcoooler on AIr.

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19736&d=1141065139

And heres the Thread in Germany

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=209283

Max on Aircooling 19,813s SuperPi 1M

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19738&d=1141069021


Results were reached frome dbode from hardwareluxx in Germany.

[Umek]

:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:

[lawrywild]

hmm for the record, the gap between dothan and a64 was 500mhz here it's only 300mhz :stick:
i don't think it wil pwn in 3dmark01 :)

not on 915PL, it is about 300mhz on p4gd1/p4gpl-x

500mhz about on 875p though (in superpi anyway)

[d94]

DAMMnnn
fx60 performance for 1/3 of the price?

[Gautam]

hmm for the record, the gap between dothan and a64 was 500mhz here it's only 300mhz :stick:
i don't think it wil pwn in 3dmark01 :)
Agreed...we've seen yonah benchmarks before, they do all right in everything, except they're incredible at pi. Definitely the best pi chip out there...as for 3D I wouldn't be so sure. I bet the drivers would be enough to put the FX ahead in that bench. It crushes the Yonah in the CPU test...most likely the only reason it didn't crush it in everything else are the drivers. (What were the video clocks on each run?)

You can see an FX60 doing clocks like that on air, it's nothing unheard of. The way the street prices are looking these days, its around $1000 for an FX60, and barring the group buy, around $700 for a Core Duo...not quite triple the price. And not to mention you can find X2's and Opties for much lower price points.

[Rufus7]

19,813 SuperPi 1M is Limit with Stockcooler on Air.

http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=19738&d=1141069021

[macci]

hmm for the record, the gap between dothan and a64 was 500mhz here it's only 300mhz
where do you get 300?
its 3379 vs 2928 and the last time I checked it was about 450MHz.. =)

[Fabius88]

where do you get 300?
its 3379 vs 2928 and the last time I checked it was about 450MHz.. =)

right macci :)
i think that cpu will be fx killer even in 3dmark and surely for superPI
and it's not necessary to take a T2600@600€
you can take a T2300/2400 ES and you'll have a killer cpu ;)

[M.Beier]

I think it will pwn in 01SE, it got higher FSB, and thats a good thing in 01SE..

[agenda2005]

Did anybody follow the German thread? You can see that without necessarily increasing CPU clock that much, but increasing FSB, the super pi time improves. This bad boy need decent FSB and that will be plenty for Conroe (1333MHz).
I'm smelling some butt kicking from Conroe base on this results.

[M.Beier]

does 01 profit from dual core?
last time i checked yonah had a slower cache then dothan..
If anyone can prove me wrong with results,
dothan vs yonah vs any a64..
i would be happy to agree :)
at this point i would rather have a nice 730 chip then a 600$ yonah

*attending macci ofcourse :D *

It profits from higher FSB :)

[M.Beier]

Did anybody follow the German thread? You can see that without necessarily increasing CPU clock that much, but increasing FSB, the super pi time improves. This bad boy need decent FSB and that will be plenty for Conroe (1333MHz).
I'm smelling some butt kicking from Conroe base on this results.

Or ES :p:

[wwwww]

does 01 profit from dual core?
last time i checked yonah had a slower cache then dothan..
If anyone can prove me wrong with results,
dothan vs yonah vs any a64..
i would be happy to agree :)
at this point i would rather have a nice 730 chip then a 600$ yonah

*attending macci ofcourse :D *

Yup definately a boost from dual core with multithreaded drivers.
yeah yonah has a slower cache but it still seems faster per clock

[Wa77x]

Yonah > Dothan
Dual Core > Single Core
Fast Super Pi > Slow(er) Super Pi


The slower cache doesnt seem to affect much when you have such a fast architecture.:D

[lawrywild]

Yonah > Dothan
Dual Core > Single Core
Fast Super Pi > Slow(er) Super Pi


The slower cache doesnt seem to affect much when you have such a fast architecture.:D

and a much much faster chipset

ya'll seem to be forgetting that dothan is on 875p (about 3 years old) and 915 (crappy)

and yonah is on 975x, a brand new speedy chipset with ddr2 and CF

[koosjebram]

Did anybody follow the German thread? You can see that without necessarily increasing CPU clock that much, but increasing FSB, the super pi time improves. This bad boy need decent FSB and that will be plenty for Conroe (1333MHz).
I'm smelling some butt kicking from Conroe base on this results.

From what i can make up out of it he figured out how to get his memory
past the 667 clock cause it didn't set it to 800 when fsb was over 200,
that's why his Pi times went up a lot.
I,m wondering how it will do in diff.games...the early review on anandtech
(http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648)
didn't show much performance increase vs same clocked Athlon.
I'm also wondering what Conroe will do with a bit less efficient pipeline but
seriously increased clocks.

But DAMN!! What a beast for Pi it is:slobber:

[macci]

does 01 profit from dual core?
Does FX57 at 3440 with untweaked WinXP give CH=194FPS and LH=246FPS? I dont think it will (FX60 does) =)

[macci]

the early review on anandtech
(http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...oc.aspx?i=2648)
didn't show much performance increase vs same clocked Athlon.
yes because it was at 166FSB with some crappy RAM settings and i945 chipset =)

[rozzyroz]

macci, do you have your hands on a setup like this yet? i know you were on the fore front with the dothans.

[ibby]

yes because it was at 166FSB with some crappy RAM settings and i945 chipset =)

can we have ur personal insight ;)
we all know u have some gear that you are playing with ... why not tell us
:slobber:

[CrashOv3r1De]

Very nice...Yonah doesnt support SLI or CF does it?

[M.Beier]

Very nice...Yonah doesnt support SLI or CF does it?

i975X has 2x PCI-E lanes, so I bet it supports something SLI / CF, I dont know :)

[ibby]

Lets Hope Its Both

[guess2098]

can't wait for my aopen mobo.. but still looking for friends in JP to buy it for me ahaha

man. i want that so bad!

[agenda2005]

Or ES :p:

Ha ha ha :D

[kLLa142]

OMFG

Screw AM2 :p:

[STEvil]

yup, 64bit is useless.

[Dumo]

Well, retail in Japan....http://www.coneco.net/PriceList.asp?COM_ID=1060202079

Its about $300.

[Shadowmage]

Crap, that's $300 USD :(

[lowfat]

wow, nice results... I hope they start selling the T2600s/T2500s in Canada here soon.

[kiwi]

Only Yonah is on a crappy air cooler and FX needs at least SS :)

[Waus-mod]

Well.... yonah is just faster clock per clock. I really cant imagine what a 4g+ yonah would do to the orb and to pifast/superpi

[stbarlet]

i think both cpu's are on par

t2600-->2.16ghz--2928-768mhz oc
fx60-->2.6ghz-->3379--779Mhz oc

no?:)



yeah but Fx @3379 uses subzero cooling , yonah air cooling..

[M.Beier]

Phasechange vs. alu heatsink... No difference :slap:

[Chri$ch]

Yonah (2.99Ghz) + X1900 Crossfire (690/800) :banana:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=157374

[dinos22]

DAMM! 21s WITH AIR COOLING........:slobber:

:( I WANNA YONAH...............)
sif you don't have one kicking around somewhere :p:

[Harshal]

Not really to speak here as all of you are more knowledgable then me, but this thing is simply good. I mean on air 3GHz and yet able to compete neck to neck with FX60 (a cool $1000). I dont understand why not all mainboard makers start making good boards for Yonah.

[M.Beier]

Yonah (2.99Ghz) + X1900 Crossfire (690/800) :banana:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=157374

Nice, very nice indeed..

Is your SPI + 3Dmark results tweaked?? - Or just pure performance???

- Dude, you make me stay awake at night waiting 4 yonah :P

[\Karting_freak]

i wouldnt say yonah is great @3D06.. 10k only. if thats a tweaked run then it SUCKS. if its not then its good, though fx-60 @3.0 is still faster for 3d imo...

[M.Beier]

i wouldnt say yonah is great @3D06.. 10k only. if thats a tweaked run then it SUCKS. if its not then its good, though fx-60 @3.0 is still faster for 3d imo...
Dude, do you know a thing about what you just said? :)

730/820 on CF + 3320mhz on a FX60 + a bit tweaked = 10K, just barely..

[Waus-mod]

On what source youre saying that? all benches i have seen were absolutly faster than a fx60 for sure. And what 3.0? if both @ 3.0 i dont even have to say who's the winner :)

[kiwi]

Not really to speak here as all of you are more knowledgable then me, but this thing is simply good. I mean on air 3GHz and yet able to compete neck to neck with FX60 (a cool $1000). I dont understand why not all mainboard makers start making good boards for Yonah.

Very simple. Yonah is a mobile chip for laptops! Same thing with Dothan, we had only adapter and only crappy 915 cipset board with PCI-E.

[M.Beier]

Very simple. Yonah is a mobile chip for laptops! Same thing with Dothan, we had only adapter and only crappy 915 cipset board with PCI-E.

Yeah but...

Seem i975X goes with SLi + CF, and thats quite nice... - This is a very great advantage compared with dothan motherboards.

[alexio]

A 3GHZ Yonah is about comparable to a 3.2ghz FX60 in the cpu test. Both with good mem are just short of 2500 points. If Yonah does not have a coldbug (it probably doesn't) this cpu is the new king in benchmarking, if Dothan wasn't already.

[Waus-mod]

intel and coldbug? i only think about a coldboot..... thats suck also! Like my dothan... when running like hell i get a bsod on -189. then have to wait about 10 minutes to go booting on -150. really sux, but hey atleast no coldbug :D and dont have to stay above the -100 :D

[dinos22]

guys don't forget that dickntel forgot to add 64-bit code to these :rolleyes:

[Chri$ch]

Nice, very nice indeed..

Is your SPI + 3Dmark results tweaked?? - Or just pure performance???

- Dude, you make me stay awake at night waiting 4 yonah :P
no tweaks, only installed, overclocked (overdrive) and run :)

[M.Beier]

guys don't forget that dickntel forgot to add 64-bit code to these :rolleyes:

Got that in mind, planning using mine @ christmas, and then change it with another one :)

64bit wont be used before 2007 some time..

[dinos22]

Got that in mind, planning using mine @ christmas, and then change it with another one :)

64bit wont be used before 2007 some time..
i guess but it's just DUMB from them not to add 64-bitness to them :slap:

[Waus-mod]

Got that in mind, planning using mine @ christmas, and then change it with another one :)

64bit wont be used before 2007 some time..

And this proves the 64bit (without using xp 64bit) has no use (if you get what i mean) this 32bit cpu simply rocks!

[M.Beier]

And this proves the 64bit (without using xp 64bit) has no use (if you get what i mean) this 32bit cpu simply rocks!

Yeah, and even with 64bit, its not 2x speed... - Just bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ;) - Sis sandra @ winXP 64bit is a bit higher than 32bit on a 64bit cpu, but freaking aint 2* performance..

[hicookie]

sif you don't have one kicking around somewhere :p:


:( no apoen i975xa-ydg.....now we afraid would waiting for two weeks...

Gee....yonah looks great:D

[Ludus]

there are problem with CB? if not is the perfect cpu :slobber:

[\Karting_freak]

oh $hit )
i confused the 05 and 06 results haha )))

[M.Beier]

Hehe :banana::banana::banana::banana: happens :)

[CrashOv3r1De]

Are there any good mobos for this chip or any comming out soon? Link plz.

[M.Beier]

Are there any good mobos for this chip or any comming out soon? Link plz.

AOpens is quite well known, I dont know if NDA has been lifted though, I wont post a thing... - But yes, there's a few..

[kLLa142]

i think both cpu's are on par

t2600-->2.16ghz--2928-768mhz oc
fx60-->2.6ghz-->3379--779Mhz oc

no?:)
No because thats thats the mhz of the OC not the % so it means nothing. Imagine if you overclocked a pentium D 800 Mhz above stock. Pretty crappy overclock ;)

Ok I just did the math, yonah OCd 35.55% over stock, FX-60 29.96%... Damn yonah on air clocks better then an FX-60 on phase (or whatever... I think it was phase)

[Dumo]

yeah but Fx @3379 uses subzero cooling , yonah air cooling..To be exact....the 60 was running @ 15X225 and 1.55 vcore under single stage @-25C cpu core temp......at that time.

[CrashOv3r1De]

So who is actually picking one of these bad boys up?

[Dumo]

The Aopen mobo......Most etailer/stores in Japan will have it available on the second week of March....which hopefully @ the same time here.

T2600......ZZF available retail box.

[Kjaks]

Yeah, and even with 64bit, its not 2x speed... - Just bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ;) - Sis sandra @ winXP 64bit is a bit higher than 32bit on a 64bit cpu, but freaking aint 2* performance..

Has anybody claimed that 64bit architecture is twice as fast as 32bit? If not I think that even mentioning that is bull is bull. The main reason to buy a 64bit cpu today is that it supports 4GB++ of RAM. It would be handy in a workstation.. But who buys a laptop to get a respectable workstation?

My main point is; 32bit vs 64bit has not much to do with raw performance.

[CrashOv3r1De]

I think I will be getting one, this rocks my socks. Wonder what magic it will do under that modded Vapo once chilly finishes it (this week i hope)

[krampak]

700€ in Spain

http://webshop.alternate.es/html/shop/detailSearch4CSort.html?cat1=003&cat2=295&cat3=000&vendorSelect=44&

269€ the T2300.

[Wrench]

Yeah, and even with 64bit, its not 2x speed... - Just bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: ;) - Sis sandra @ winXP 64bit is a bit higher than 32bit on a 64bit cpu, but freaking aint 2* performance..

Actually in certain apps 64bit = 0-500% increase in performance. I unfortunatly don't use this particular package but I do use a 64 bit renderer and it does make a quite a nice difference.


http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=52

64 bit is not all fluff..

[dinos22]

Actually in certain apps 64bit = 0-500% increase in performance. I unfortunatly don't use this particular package but I do use a 64 bit renderer and it does make a quite a nice difference.


http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=52

64 bit is not all fluff..
i got all excited thinking you use video encoding/editing friendly 64-bit app

[galadar]

i want this cpu bad!!! DROOOL

[Salkcin]

Even though Yonah's latency has increased the performance per clock is still better than Dothan. Especially encoding have been improved... i made a comparission of Anandtechs 2nd early preview of Yonah (yes, using bad chipset and low performance DDR2, but all does - it's comparable).

In encoding Dothan generally performs 40% less than Yonah...

See my post here (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1206665&postcount=39)

But unfortunately I don't think that there will be any good Yonah motherboards, because of the upcoming Conroe with less than 3 months to release and on the paper it's a lot better than Yonah (targeted high-end and not mobile market).
See the Aopen 975X - it has MAX FSB of 266MHz. 13x266=3466MHz... the other motherboards are 945GT based mATX...

[FUGGER]

Not just Intel building Yonah boards atm.

What PLL chip on the Aopen 975 board? Franck might have something done for this already.

[Salkcin]

Not just Intel building Yonah boards atm.

What PLL chip on the Aopen 975 board? Franck might have something done for this already.

In the thread of Hardwareluxx they mention "Rtm865-461" - seems like some Realtek PLL. I'm not good at german, but it seems they unsuccesfully tried a SetFSB for "RTM865-433" (meant for Aopen 915GM).

Look in post #81, #82 and #84
Link: http://www.forumdeluxx.de/forum/showthread.php?t=209283&page=3

[kiko]

Not just Intel building Yonah boards atm.

What PLL chip on the Aopen 975 board? Franck might have something done for this already.

Vcore: ISL6262
Vdimm: ISL6537
PLL: RTM865-461

Ciao

[M.Beier]

What about waiting for Conroe tests before analysing how good it is??? - It properly wont have the same overclocking protential, nor will 1 mhz be as fast as yonah... (does it have 13 cycle?)

It will have a higher FSB, which increases the performance alot, but TIME WILL SHOW if its enough... Personally, I havnt seen any tests out there, havnt got any info @ classified sources... - Only a release date with +-10 days..

[Waus-mod]

Well if we look @ yonah, and then imagine the specs of conroe we all know what time it is dont you think?

[M.Beier]

I wont comment a thing waus =)

But I beliven unless one has seen a test (under NDA?), which I havnt with conroe.. - One cant really know how it works, one can guess, yes, but... - Anyhow, I think anandtech's tests a bit strange, very odd results, all around... (yonah test)

Futher, I reed in a test it was x850XT vs. 7800GTX default clocks on both, comparing dothan platform with other platforms... - Hmm, strange the gametests shows lower fps... - Its the CPU, only the CPU, aye!?? :(

[tonyl]

Do we need to wait for another Yonah MB, from ASUS? AOpen is not quite good for OCing, you think?

[caater]

AOpen is not quite good for OCing, you think?
That is yet to be seen.
i had an aopen 875P board few years back, it oc'ed considerably worse than
asus/abit counterparts, was slower and with much less high fsb tolerance..
so, once someone comes up with setfsb (or aopen updates bios) for getting over that 265 fsb limit, we'll know if this board clocks like other 975x boards or not.
but one thing is positive - the hardwareluxx aopen board is still alive :)

[lowfat]

Do we need to wait for another Yonah MB, from ASUS? AOpen is not quite good for OCing, you think?


The only Yonah board i've seen from Asus only has one PCIe 16X slot, and doesn't even have CPU mounting holes :stick:

[videodrone83]

is it worth picking up a 2400 yonah? im thinking about selling my opty 146, or should I go x2?

[Dynasty]

is it worth picking up a 2400 yonah? im thinking about selling my opty 146, or should I go x2?

Yonah all the way. :)

[b0bd0le]

when will these new intel chips be out?

btw the inq is linking to this thread

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30426

[dinos22]

:welcome: :party: hello Inq readers :)

[GoThr3k]

am i the only one that notice the HTT of 194???

[Concorde Rules]

Jeeeees thats good!!! If a decent clocking DDR + Duo mobo comes out im sold, otherwise ill get a Opteron... aint spending more £££ on new mem :banana:

[da-key]

..Sits up and takes notice...WOW!

[bjterry62]

Did anybody notice the VCore on those screen shots? 3.003V on the last one posted. Is this possible? I thought 1.5V was the max for the Core Duo.

BT

[Breeze]

Is there any UK price for these CPU's yet?

[sethk]

From the early performance review of Conroe and from details of the architectural changes, it should have even more steam in it than Yonah. I bet a 1mhz clock increase on a Conroe will have *more* of an impact on performance than it does on Yonah, because clock for clock it will do more work - as long as the bus speed increases in tandem and the processor is not memory starved.
As good as Yonah seems, I'm waiting for Conroe and good desktop boards.
It may not launch for several months though, so getting a Yonah to tide you over seems reasonable if you really need a new processor now.
I need to investigate the chipset releases that will co-incide with the Conroe launch.

[Harshal]

Thanks to Fugger for clearing things up. I am gonna wait for the boards to line up, even tho I am not going to have CF on it. But good OC-ablility is what I am really looking for.

[GoThr3k]

hum, wtf
its 194 HTT vs 234 fsb
can you guys actually read my post?

[YanBooth]

wait a second... intel is back in the game?!?!?

[A_Pickle]

I noticed this article on The Inquirer a minute ago... and your pictures are down. Would it be possible to get 'em back up?

Thanks,
-Pikl