God Bless 100% American Intel

[Sumanji]

Intel to build $600m fab in Vietnam (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=29868)

There goes that brilliant reason for only using Intel chips ;)

:stick:


N.B. This is NOT Intel-bashing! I don't care where chips are made, I'll buy the fastest at the time, and I intend to get a Conroe chip for my next rig. This is just meant it as a heads up for people who think Intel are some sort of all-American super-hero company that care more about national loyalty than profits... they don't :nono:

[kiwi]

No wonder, they will save a lot of money paying little wages to those 2,000 people

[Der_KHAN]

the conroe is developed in haifa and produced in kiryat gat btw...

as were banias, dothan and yonah before

[Sumanji]

No wonder, they will save a lot of money paying little wages to those 2,000 people

Yay for capitalism :(


the conroe is developed in haifa and produced in kiriat gat btw... as were banias, dothan and yonah before

Yeah those Israeli engineers are amazing at making cool & fast chips :cool: I just think it's silly that some people's reason for disliking AMD is because they fab in Germany... and here's Intel "stealing" 2000 American jobs. I think this guy would have something to say about that:

http://www.gandham.f2s.com/captainamerica_215.gif

:p:

Suman

[cirthix]

wait, we're supposed to care where some company designs and fabs chips???

[Sumanji]

lol of course not, but certain people seem to really care :shrug:

[Der_KHAN]

i think some people are still under the false impression that the process of globalization can still be stopped...

[FragTek]

What?? I thought all AMD chips were made in the USA! ;) :rolleyes:

[ibby]

every thing is made in the USA :D

[onewingedangel]

I don't see the big deal, its not as if america can offer better quality control. Just look at other industries - automotive for instance - I would never touch an American car - not only is the styling somewhat too aggressive for my tastes but the finishing and quality control is awful. Even ford don't sell their american cars in the uk preferring to supply european designed and marketed cars to us. The idea that 'made in america' is about quality is laughable - its just a promotional tool, and the idea of lost american jobs is even more laughable - after all intel sells chips worldwide - why shouldn't they make and package said chips worldwide.

[CandymanCan]

I agree most things made in the US fall apart.

Cars for exsample built in the united states usually have alot of problems or die right after there warrentys are over iv noticed

[Der_KHAN]

just like cellphones? :D

[Dumo]

It comes back to an individual company and their product.
We have a lot of products that were built to last and proud of it:)

[ingentingmendeg]

Go Intel! there the best!

[JamesAvery22]

I agree most things made in the US fall apart.

Cars for exsample built in the united states usually have alot of problems or die right after there warrentys are over iv noticed

Hmmm. Funny, since I see old 1980s bronco's and f150's on the road almost everytime I drive.

Too bad GM is dying :(

[speed bump]

^^^thats old? I am driving a 1968 mecury Monteray and I have fewer problems with it than my girl friend has with her 93 accord.

Forbes may have anounced this but I am thinking the state department may have something to say about this specially the export of american high tech to a country that is not our allie.

[OmegaMerc]

Anyone remember the bike company competing against Harley Davidson? They produced such good bikes they rarely broke down, forcing them to go bankrupt over time because their revenues were non existant.

Buisness is about highest profit vs lowest overhead no matter what the cost. I feel that if we have to look at a culprit as to why companies don't do buisness in the U.S, its because its so hard to maintain profitability here with all the laws protecting workers, buyers, and the industry as a whole. Versus the stages set in 3rd world countries where laws and corruption are much more rampant so your able to bypass things unable ot be bypassed in the U.S.

Anyways, eventually, what goes around comes around.

[Delirious]

Anyone remember the bike company competing against Harley Davidson? They produced such good bikes they rarely broke down, forcing them to go bankrupt over time because their revenues were non existant.

Buisness is about highest profit vs lowest overhead no matter what the cost. I feel that if we have to look at a culprit as to why companies don't do buisness in the U.S, its because its so hard to maintain profitability here with all the laws protecting workers, buyers, and the industry as a whole. Versus the stages set in 3rd world countries where laws and corruption are much more rampant so your able to bypass things unable ot be bypassed in the U.S.

Anyways, eventually, what goes around comes around.


Thats exactly right, it costs to much to employ american people. Especially when we keep demanding quality, inexpensive products.

[rozzyroz]

the finishing and quality control is awful.
the finishing and quality control is fine, it's your perception of us thats awful....

ok all the stereotyping of american made goods being of poor quality and "styling" is garbage. i have alot of auto workers in my family, and know for a fact how much pride they take in their jobs.

as for how much they get paid, they get a middleclass wage. if you have been there for 20ish years, you make a base of around 60k a year. 60k a year is nothing really. the inflated numbers most people hear about is with vast amounts of overtime pay. thats not the workers fault, thats a scheduling and capacity problem.

i live in toledo, ohio, and we have the number one transmission plant in the nation (maybe the world not sure), and gm is sinking 500+ million into this plant. they can produce more efficiently then anyone in the world, and at a higher quality level.



i agree with some people's assesments that goods sold over sea's, should be manufactured over sea's.

here's an example::horse:

Foreign cars: Made in America.

COPYRIGHT 2005 The Boston Globe

Byline: Royal Ford

Sep. 4--Next time you see a new foreign-brand car, odds are it was made in America.

Toyotas, Hondas, Subarus, BMWs, Mercedes-Benzes, Hyundais, and others -- more than 40 models of foreign cars, minivans, SUVS, and pickup trucks -- are rolling off assembly lines at 15 plants in the United States so rapidly that last year brought an automotive tipping point.

For the first time, more foreign-brand cars sold in the United States were built here -- 3.7 million -- than were imported -- 3.4 million -- according to the Center for Automotive Research, nonprofit auto industry...

[Byron]

guess we all know what we're buying since on the die it says either MALAY/COSTA RICA or CHINA :D:D:D

new batch from 'Nam maybe now clocking even bettah...

http://img252.echo.cx/img252/4122/headbang6br.gif

[nn_step]

with all do respect Pentium M aka Dothan is Jewish
:p: Intel hasn't been all American since the early 1980s

[krille]

According to the CIA World Fact Book, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a communist state. Eighty per cent of people have no religion, according to the most recent census.lol??

[MaxxxRacer]

Um... Intel's biggest R&D team is in Israel.. Thats were most of hte meaningful chip design goes on...

Its been that way since the early 90's

[Kunaak]

Intel would go out of business trying to make a CPU Factory in america.
too high of wages demanded. too high of insurance demanded. too high of medical stuff demanded. too high of retirement demanded. too many people want child care to come with the job, and want 1 hour lunchs and want many sick days and lots of time off, and on top of that do lame stuff all the time, like call in sick, if they need an extra 2 hours of sleep or something...

hell, if I ran intel, America is the last place on earth I would bother running a business.

[Byron]

According to the CIA World Fact Book, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a communist state. Eighty per cent of people have no religion, according to the most recent census.

EXCELLENT :D

Now the new chips will be even darker and deadlier http://img252.echo.cx/img252/4391/msmiley18xh.gif

[Serra]

Yeah, I've got to say that strange little excerpt made me question the already dubious name of the Inquirer. You'd think they would have some better or at least more relevant information...

Serra

[Der_KHAN]

Yeah, I've got to say that strange little excerpt made me question the already dubious name of the Inquirer. You'd think they would have some better or at least more relevant information...

Serrai think they're just trying to point out how funny it is that intel was allowed to export U.S. high tech to a communist country ...

[Elder Young]

I agree that to keep chip prices low, they have to build the product as inexpensively as possible. I'm also curious why they chose Vietnam instead of Malaysia or another south east Asian country. Does Intel get massive tax breaks, or is it purely labor costs?

rozzyroz, on a website called The Truth about Cars http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorials.php, Robert Farrago writes a continuing series called "GM Deathwatch" in which he details all the problems that GM has and how they will lead to GM filing for bankruptcy in the near future. This quote sums up the basic ideas, "Once The General shakes off its union, deep-sixes its insufferable bureaucracy, dumps unnecessary brands and gets down to the business of building a limited number of great cars, it will build a limited number of great cars."

Although Intel wouldn't likely suffer the same problems as GM, I think it's still true that dealing with labor costs in the US would make business difficult. Workers in the US expect a high standard of living with a lot of benefits and that's not exactly a good thing for a business that's trying to keep costs down.

[Cobalt]

as for how much they get paid, they get a middleclass wage. if you have been there for 20ish years, you make a base of around 60k a year. 60k a year is nothing really. the inflated numbers most people hear about is with vast amounts of overtime pay. thats not the workers fault, thats a scheduling and capacity problem.

I'd just like to point out that $60K is about £35K-40K. Thats a pretty decent wage for a manual worker here and our biggest factory just closed down (although it was Rover so only the workers missed it). Thats pretty much what people mean by labour protection running businesses into the groud. Just look at France's economy, its failing in a big way and yet their only response is to subsidise. Almost all developed countries have problems with the primary industry (raw material extraction) and secondary industry (manufacturing). I guess thats the price we pay for being able to get decent wages. We rely more and more on developing countries to supply us with goods while we export services mainly.

[Orangeman]

Do you really think that Toyota you're driving was built in Japan? Get real. And it's not that Americans get paid too much. Third world economies pay people in beads and wampum. But if a nickel a day gets you by, then OK.

[Elder Young]

Do you really think that Toyota you're driving was built in Japan? Get real. And it's not that Americans get paid too much. Third world economies pay people in beads and wampum. But if a nickel a day gets you by, then OK.

Yes, almost all Toyotas are built in the US, but the high cost of labor here isn't the only problem for the big three automakers in the US. One reason that Toyota can maintain profitable plants in the US is that the demand is high enough for Toyotas that the company doesn't have to sell them at a few thousand dollar discount just to get them off the lot. Also, I don't know that Toyota is as unionized as GM, Ford or Chrysler.

I guess my point, and I think yours as well, is that Intel could make a profit with a fab in the US, but the profit wouldn't be as large because they would have to pay a reasonable wage.

[AkXb70]

Intel would go out of business trying to make a CPU Factory in america.
too high of wages demanded. too high of insurance demanded. too high of medical stuff demanded. too high of retirement demanded. too many people want child care to come with the job, and want 1 hour lunchs and want many sick days and lots of time off, and on top of that do lame stuff all the time, like call in sick, if they need an extra 2 hours of sleep or something...

hell, if I ran intel, America is the last place on earth I would bother running a business.
intel has more fab's in the states than in any other country, but the unfinshed processors are sent out to assymbly plants in other countrires to be 'put together' (ie, die on package with IHS) which is where you get the maylay/china/costa rica thing from

[Orangeman]

Exactly. If you can build overseas and transport the goods for less than the costs to build here, then that's what you do. Filling up container ships with foreign cars is just too expensive. Filling up container ships with processors is cheap per unit.

[nn_step]

Honestly most people don't care about where they came from if they are good enough...

[OmegaMerc]

Honestly most people don't care about where they came from if they are good enough...

You always have that looney stuff going on, like it matters. (http://www.buyamericanmart.com/)

[Celeron Gamer]

It's interesting that US workers are getting 60K a year, child-care benefit, insurance plan, dental care, paid vacations,paid maternity leaves. That could easily reap up to 80-100K of costs per worker annually.

And they're still demanding more. Thank you Union :)

If corporations don't outsource, they're all going to die, no matter how rich they are. Some would argue they're evil capitalistic corporations full of money, and are too selfish to share their wealth. While others are protesting that companies are outsourcing.

Which is more evil, workers, and Union, or Corporations?

I'd have to side with corporations.

[Byron]

Honestly most people don't care about where they came from if they are good enough...
exactly http://img252.echo.cx/img252/4391/msmiley18xh.gif

[OmegaMerc]

It's interesting that US workers are getting 60K a year, child-care benefit, insurance plan, dental care, paid vacations,paid maternity leaves. That could easily reap up to 80-100K of costs per worker annually.

And they're still demanding more. Thank you Union :)

If corporations don't outsource, they're all going to die, no matter how rich they are. Some would argue they're evil capitalistic corporations full of money, and are too selfish to share their wealth. While others are protesting that companies are outsourcing.

Which is more evil, workers, and Union, or Corporations?

I'd have to side with corporations.

Realize that 80-100k a year "is" a good salary, but once the gov't empties your pocket you have more in terms of 40-60k depending if your married / kids / and a barrage of other crap.

[IFMU]

I'd have to side with corporations.
Sadly, I would have to agree with that.

I live in Wichita Kansas, one of the main spots of the Boeing company. It is a huge plant that at some times throughout the past decade or two it has provided an income for a good chunk of this city. It has been going down the tubes for at least the past decade too.
The people that work there are greedy, demanding and overpaid. They bi*** and complain that making $14 to $35 bucks an hour is not enough. Let alone this doesnt include bonus', insurance and all that other crap. By the gods that is pushing triple I have ever made in my life.
If you ask me Unions are something from the past that were good back when, but now do nothing good for society.

Did you know the last time I heard, to work 3rd shift at Boeing here, you worked 6 hours, got paid for 8, were "timed" for a 30 minute break but took an hour? If I recall correctly, if you actually worked over 8 hours at a time you were automaticlly paid double time? :rolleyes:

Hell, give me the job, start me at $10 an hour and give me some decent insurance, typical overtime, over 40 hours time and a half. Holidays double time (not triple like Ive heard) and a decent raise every 6 months (read a quarter or so), and they will have an employee for life.

I know some of those guys have been there for years that are making 30 or so an hour, they've earned at least some of that. My god man when you have a guy hired in at 20 an hour that does the exact same thing that another guys been doing there for a year and makes half of that, is just pathetic.

Most of the way "pay" is figured for people sometimes is just pathetic.

[iddqd]

^^^thats old? I am driving a 1968 mecury Monteray and I have fewer problems with it than my girl friend has with her 93 accord.

Forbes may have anounced this but I am thinking the state department may have something to say about this specially the export of american high tech to a country that is not our allie.
Oh my.. you don't realize that Intel is the government? I mean not just intel - but other corporate entities all together. They get away with whatever the hell is more profitable.

:cool:
Next time I want someone dead, I'll register a corporation and hire employees to do it for me. Then when I get convicted, my corporation will have to pay a fine - and I'll just file for bankrupcy protection. gg no re k thnx

[cmay119]

I actually thought that both Intel and AMD chips were fabricated in Taiwan...
Shows how much I know. Either way, I have very little patriotism in the first place, I could care less where they are made as long as the price I have to pay for a chip isn't outrageously expensive...

[Delirious]

Exactly we dont have a govt. we have corporations that run everything.

Oh my.. you don't realize that Intel is the government? I mean not just intel - but other corporate entities all together. They get away with whatever the hell is more profitable.

:cool:
Next time I want someone dead, I'll register a corporation and hire employees to do it for me. Then when I get convicted, my corporation will have to pay a fine - and I'll just file for bankrupcy protection. gg no re k thnx

[nn_step]

Exactly we dont have a govt. we have corporations that run everything.
Correction we have a government but it does what the highiest Bidder wants it to do..

[rozzyroz]

guys, i appretiate you replies, but american labor costs are nothing in the over all cost of a product (with health care being the exception). i work in a factory where we make our product more efficient then even the chinese can. we make, on average, $40,000 per year. we produce almost 2 to 1 on the same process, with a better quality rate. the thing that helps most is the shipping and on time numbers.

it takes almost 2 months for china to deliver the goods ordered, where it only takes us less then 2 days. this reduces inventory and free's up cash to be put elswhere.

just to give you an idea, labor is less then 3% of the overall cost of the product where i work.

the whole idea that american labor is lazy and unions only support these lazy people is nonsense. the unions are put into place to make sure that all the rules are followed... by not only the companies, but the workers as well... these rules are negotiated by poth parties. unfotunatly, you have people that take advantage of the system. these people are the one's that stick out the most.. the ones that take medical leave on bogus injuries, and leave the rest of the workers holding the bill... these are about 1% of the workforce, and they get the most press.

$30,000 a year where i live, gets you a nice home in the ghetto. $60,000 will get you in a school district that you wont have to worry as much about your kids.

it's easy to be critical when you are on the outside looking in.

[Stuperman]

I agree most things made in the US fall apart.

Cars for exsample built in the united states usually have alot of problems or die right after there warrentys are over iv noticed

do you realize how many fords arn't built in the US and how many Toyotas are?

p.s. sry for thread jacking.

[mursaat]

I'd just like to point out that $60K is about £35K-40K.The median for a manual worker here in Spain is €12.500. And they're trying to equal the taxes/prices to the EU. All that without upping the payment. A house costs today 15% more than a year ago, a 300% than 6 years ago, or the equal to 360 months of my mensual payment!!

Since the euro instalment, I've lost a 66% of my money. Automatically, because prices have rised 66%, but my payment haven't.

So basically I could say Spain is a third world country with make-up :banana:

[[knap]]

The median for a manual worker here in Spain is €12.500. And they're trying to equal the taxes/prices to the EU. All that without upping the payment. A house costs today 15% more than a year ago, a 300% than 6 years ago, or the equal to 360 months of my mensual payment!!

Since the euro instalment, I've lost a 66% of my money. Automatically, because prices have rised 66%, but my payment haven't.

So basically I could say Spain is a third world country with make-up :banana:

And what to say about Portugal? The minimum salary is ~400€ wich is what alot of people earn and the average salary is ~600€.

We have 21% tax in all products except in what they call goods of first necessity.
Gas is about 1.20€ per liter (95 octanes) and diesel is about 1€ per liter.

The unemployment tax is already 8% and raising every month as alot of companies are moving to other countries like china and those east europe contries that joined the european union.

Basically we are in :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
Thanks to my ancestors for giving me this great inheritance.

[perkam]

It has bee known for quite some time now that Merom was designed in Israel, so its not like this isthe first time Intel US is left with the short end of the stick. Its outsourcing for greater incentives and lower costs, why wouldn't it ?

Perkam

[turtle]

It has bee known for quite some time now that Merom was designed in Israel, so its not like this isthe first time Intel US is left with the short end of the stick. Its outsourcing for greater incentives and lower costs, why wouldn't it ?

Perkam

Because it's biting the hand that not only feeds the mouth, but also had it suckle it's nipple at birth?

Corporations (or their CEO's) are apparently expected to have a conscience...Or something. You know...Like Tyco, Worldcom, Enron...:rolleyes:

[bypolar]

I don't see the big deal, its not as if america can offer better quality control. Just look at other industries - automotive for instance - I would never touch an American car - not only is the styling somewhat too aggressive for my tastes but the finishing and quality control is awful. Even ford don't sell their american cars in the uk preferring to supply european designed and marketed cars to us. The idea that 'made in america' is about quality is laughable - its just a promotional tool, and the idea of lost american jobs is even more laughable - after all intel sells chips worldwide - why shouldn't they make and package said chips worldwide.



Most of the Toyotas we buy in the states are assembled here, they seem to be fine.

Hynda just build a Huge assembly Plany Here.

Most of the parts used to build fords come from Canada.

America Has Good Quality Control

There is more to it Than you would think.

[onewingedangel]

Remember that the american car market is rather different to the European one, and your definitions of quality may be somewhat different. American cars are far cheaper than european ones, and generally have far larger engines, yet output only the same or even less power than european cars because europeans generally like efficienct engines that give them good milage (as we have to pay a lot more for petrol than in the us), and we expect our cars to last far longer - after all we pay far more to start off with so we expect them to last longer. Just compare fords uk line up to their us counterparts - theres a whole heap of differences - for a start we dont have mustangs or all the trucks, but prefer smaller cars, the focus and ka especially in their many incarnations are european favourites from ford. I'm using ford as an example here as a lot of tehbig american car makers aren't too popular in europe, we prefer european and japanese engineered cars. For the american market american cars may be fine, but for the uk they generally dont fit how we use them, and our ideas of taste and quality (especially when it comes to both interior and exterior finishing) vary somewhat. Even cheaper cars in the uk avois the molded plastic interior that a lot of american cars (even mid range ones) offer.

[Stuperman]

Remember that the american car market is rather different to the European one, and your definitions of quality may be somewhat different. American cars are far cheaper than european ones, and generally have far larger engines, yet output only the same or even less power than european cars because europeans generally like efficienct engines that give them good milage (as we have to pay a lot more for petrol than in the us), and we expect our cars to last far longer - after all we pay far more to start off with so we expect them to last longer. Just compare fords uk line up to their us counterparts - theres a whole heap of differences - for a start we dont have mustangs or all the trucks, but prefer smaller cars, the focus and ka especially in their many incarnations are european favourites from ford. I'm using ford as an example here as a lot of tehbig american car makers aren't too popular in europe, we prefer european and japanese engineered cars. For the american market american cars may be fine, but for the uk they generally dont fit how we use them, and our ideas of taste and quality (especially when it comes to both interior and exterior finishing) vary somewhat. Even cheaper cars in the uk avois the molded plastic interior that a lot of american cars (even mid range ones) offer.

I don't think you understand the globalized ecomomy very well, it is impossible to call one car "american" or another "european" or another Japanese. For example ford owns Land rover, Jag, Volvo, and Astin martin, are they american or european? Does the fact that GM owns Holden, Sabb, Vauxhaul, opel, Daewoo and has part ownership of both isuzu and Suzuki make all those brands american. Dalmier chrysler owns MB, Dodge, Chrysler, jeep (which was once owned by renault, who now own nissan), mitsubishi, SEAT, and Smart, what nationallity are they? you are right in saying that car companies have market specific vehicles, but every industry has market specific products. Saying that "American" cars are of poor quality is just uninformed, infact GM's Chevrolet division has won awards for years for thier quality (measured by problems per 1000 cars for the first year of ownership or something like that), the company that come last in the ranking? VW.

[rozzyroz]

American cars are far cheaper than european ones, and generally have far larger engines, yet output only the same or even less power than european cars because europeans generally like efficienct engines that give them good milage (as we have to pay a lot more for petrol than in the us), and we expect our cars to last far longer.

well, we offer larger engines, i will agree there.... however the gas mileage and how long american cars last i will have to disagree.

a good example of a nice american style v8 is the newest ls2 model from gm. cars that come equipped with this motor get 400hp and 30mpg on the highway. i dont know much aout european cars ill admit... what motor would compare to that?

as for longevity, i wouldnt expect to need a rebuild on a motor till upwards of 300k miles as long as you do the proper PM. the body will last as long as you keep it clean, and dont wreck it.

[mursaat]

I don't think you understand the globalized ecomomy very well, it is impossible to call one car "american" or another "european" or another Japanese. For example ford owns Land rover, Jag, Volvo, and Astin martin, are they american or european? Does the fact that GM owns Holden, Sabb, Vauxhaul, opel, Daewoo and has part ownership of both isuzu and Suzuki make all those brands american. Dalmier chrysler owns MB, Dodge, Chrysler, jeep (which was once owned by renault, who now own nissan), mitsubishi, SEAT, and Smart, what nationallity are they? you are right in saying that car companies have market specific vehicles, but every industry has market specific products. Saying that "American" cars are of poor quality is just uninformed, infact GM's Chevrolet division has won awards for years for thier quality (measured by problems per 1000 cars for the first year of ownership or something like that), the company that come last in the ranking? VW.Sorry but SEAT is owned by the VAG Group, it is: Volkswagen, Audi, SEAT, Skoda, Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti.

And Chrysler is not the owner of Mitsubishi, they only share manufacturing plants and Mitsubishi makes trucks for Chrysler:

Plant sharing:
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_go1459/is_200304/ai_n7609104

Trucks from Mitsubishi:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_%28car%29

Mitsubishi had been engaged in a long-term venture with Chrysler (now DaimlerChrysler), assembling a series of cars and trucks for Chrysler brands since the 1970s. Some Chrysler cars use Mitsubishi componentry, but have been gravitating toward more use of Mercedes-Benz componentry, which is considered superior. DaimlerChrysler recently announced that it was withdrawing all financial support and sold its shares in MMC. However, Mitsubishi will still be able to build the Dakota-based Raider and Chrysler will still use a Mitsubishi-based chassis for its Stratus/Sebring replacements.

For many years, Mitsubishi did not sell in North America under its own brand. That began changing in the United States in 1982. Many of Mitsubishi's early exports bore Chrysler brands such as the Chrysler Valiant (in Australia), Dodge and Plymouth. In some countries, Colt was used as the marque. Beginning in 1989, the Eagle brand was used for some Mitsubishi products in the US.

Mitsubishi has also exported car platform designs and manufacturing knowledge to Hyundai in South Korea and Proton in Malaysia.

Mitsubishi has a long association with movie star Jackie Chan. Chan always uses Mitsubishi vehicles in his movies, and at one time owned 56 Mitsubishis.

Now that's a researched answer :p:

[Sumanji]

ZOMG! Thread totally de-railed :eek:

Just wanna say I had no intention of bashing America and/or Intel with this thread. I love you guys :D It was just aimed at certain users I saw on here a while back (not going to mention usernames!), who said that AMD were whoring out their fabs to Germany and "stealing" US jobs, which I thought was BS obviously! So just wanted to point out that Intel do exactly the same thing!

Now you may get back to your car debates :p:

Suman

[Nasgul]

ZOMG! Thread totally de-railed :eek:

Just wanna say I had no intention of bashing America and/or Intel with this thread. I love you guys :D It was just aimed at certain users I saw on here a while back (not going to mention usernames!), who said that AMD were whoring out their fabs to Germany and "stealing" US jobs, which I thought was BS obviously! So just wanted to point out that Intel do exactly the same thing!

Now you may get back to your car debates :p:

Suman

I luv Intel, 100% American with so much money, they don't even know what the heck to do with it........oh wait, they're selling Dual Cores for Dirt Cheap: 65 nm transition to save Intel $2 billion (http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/12/01/intels_65nm_transition/). 805 an exception to the 65nm but still dirt cheap.

Intel announced plans to build a cutting-edge semiconductor plant in Chandler, Ariz., near Phoenix (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinvestor/corporatenews/2005-07-25-factory-usat_x.htm). <--certainly not 600M.

Intel Sets $25 Billion Stock Buyback (http://www.forbes.com/finance/2005/11/14/intel-buyback-in_df_1114soapbox_inl.html)

Intel Fourth–Quarter Revenue $10.2 Billion (http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20060117corp.htm)

Sick, isnt' it?

Billions, billions, billions........not subpoenas and lawsuits.

[FUGGER]

Intel also gives nearly 1 billion dollars a year away in grants to developers.

[nn_step]

I luv Intel, 100% American with so much money, they don't even know what the heck to do with it........oh wait, they're selling Dual Cores for Dirt Cheap: 65 nm transition to save Intel $2 billion (http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/12/01/intels_65nm_transition/). 805 an exception to the 65nm but still dirt cheap.

Intel announced plans to build a cutting-edge semiconductor plant in Chandler, Ariz., near Phoenix (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techinvestor/corporatenews/2005-07-25-factory-usat_x.htm). <--certainly not 600M.

Intel Sets $25 Billion Stock Buyback (http://www.forbes.com/finance/2005/11/14/intel-buyback-in_df_1114soapbox_inl.html)

Intel Fourth–Quarter Revenue $10.2 Billion (http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20060117corp.htm)

Sick, isnt' it?

Billions, billions, billions........not subpoenas and lawsuits.

and do you have any idea how much they spend every year on just research and payroll? :rolleyes:

[Thorry]

I really don't see why anyone cares?

Just judge a product based on the product and the company (such as warranty, support and other services) and not on what country they happen to be based in or use to make their products.

If you care about this you should think hard to yourself why you are discriminating and how selfish you are for not giving other countries a chance.
Then again, in this part of the world we don't expect anything else from Americans (offcourse there are exceptions, but the majority counts).

I would suggest moderators to close this topic since discrimination is not something you wish to have on a great forum such as this.

[mursaat]

Well, I'm spanish, and in general I think USA is usually wrong in its political and militar ideas, but don't think things have gone so far in this thread to get to discrimination. Praising your own country is nothing bad if its done the right way.

Don't know where are you from, but I'm pretty sure you'll dislike if one of the best industries in your country started to stablish in other countries. Maybe I'm wrong tho...

[Thorry]

Where I'm from it's normal for almost all companies to outsource into other contries.

Also praising you're own country isn't very wrong, but it isn't right either. We all live in this world and share it with everybody else, nobodies country is better than any other country.

[Zenjirou]

So what. Many good products are manufactured in Asia. Why keep pride of all American goods. DFI is Taiwanese. Thers is rule that a certain country has superior goods. A matter of fact in South America especially in Ecuador, a popular car is made from an Indian Company which gives 80+mpg.
Originally Posted by krille
According to the CIA World Fact Book, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam is a communist state. Eighty per cent of people have no religion, according to the most recent census.
BTW- Vietnam is 80% Buddhist, but with a large Catholic Population especially in Saigon (because of French Influence). They are communist in principle, yet capitalist economically, just like China.
It only doesn't trade with US as much. Youth there no nothing about the war or much about the US, as it is not taught in school.

(I went there 2 months ago)

[highoctane]

There's no telling where your manufactured goods are from anymore since components are outsourced from around the globe in order to keep trade equal, especially vehicles.

From what I remember in school there are trade tariffs, say if a country exports 10000 toyota japan built cars but only imports say 5000 equivalent ford america built cars there will be a tariff paid for the 5000 extra japan built cars being imported.

In order to avoid trade tariffs for thier vehicles toyota japan opens a plant in america and builds those 5000 extra units in america and avoids the trade tariffs while still importing 5000 from japan for the 10000 unit total.

Something like that but I may be out in left field, what it comes down to is large trade isn't totaly free/uncontrolled between countries. The only option is to pay extra duties for your imports or for the importer to produce X amount of their product in the country they plan to sell their goods to balance trading, or something like that.

Good for Vietnam in landing some high tech industry!

[Nasgul]

and do you have any idea how much they spend every year on just research and payroll?
I'm pretty sure they spend enough and have enough left, pretty much billions upon billions.

Instead of handing out subpoenas to everybody and dropping lawsuits to other companies. :fact: