Any news on 74GB version of new Raptor ?

[Cooper]

So is it gonna hit the market ? Or there won`t be any ?

[ingentingmendeg]

you mean the new 150GB raptor?

[krille]

you mean the new 150GB raptor?Yes, he means the 74GB version of it. It's supposed to come out. No idea when though. Sorry :(

[mdzcpa]

Next month in retail channel I here.

16mb cache, all the goodies, only for the 74g models.

Rumor is, they are waiting for the current 74g models to sell.

[GoriLLakoS]

A whole new site for these beasts....

impressive...:D

http://www.wdraptorx.com/index.asp?bhcp=1

They already ship them....:D

[ripken204]

does anyone know if they will be sataII ?

[mdzcpa]

Nope. They will not be.

But, then again, they don't need to be to wipe the floor with the competition.

[Jupiler]

I've seen some 74Gb, 16mb cache Raptors for sale for about 1 week now (stores in germany).
Is that another model, compared to the one you're referring to?

[[XC] leviathan18]

the 74gb 16mb is the new model... the old one has 8mb

[nn_step]

the 16mb version is also to have the NCQ that the Original 8mb version didn't...

[mdzcpa]

I've seen some 74Gb, 16mb cache Raptors for sale for about 1 week now (stores in germany).


Yep, that's the new one :)

[Jarrod1937]

the 16mb version is also to have the NCQ that the Original 8mb version didn't...
whats ncq? i hate acronyms...

[nn_step]

whats ncq? i hate acronyms...
native Command Queing.. it can make a 7.2k drive run like a 10k drive.. infact faster in some cases

[Adamantine]

Shouldn't it be a 75GB version since it'll have 75GB density platters? It'd make it easier to separate the two as well.

[nn_step]

no.. it is 74GB.. The platter density only matters if they make use of it...

[Cooper]

Wow :banana:
Found it in Czech inet store (http://www.xcomputer.cz/DetailPage.asp?dpg=59132)
~$237. Hopefully there are some in US for lower price :)

[nn_step]

Wow :banana:
Found it in Czech inet store (http://www.xcomputer.cz/DetailPage.asp?dpg=59132)
~$237. Hopefully there are some in US for lower price :)
:eek: Holy crap that is double the cost of a 8mb 74GB raptor..:eek:

[Cooper]

:eek: Holy crap that is double the cost of a 8mb 74GB raptor..:eek:

That`s Europeen price ;) Which is only 9% more than old 74GB raptor.
That`s why I`m looking for US store selling new raptors :)
Germany store has them for 170-180 Euro = $120-$126

[nn_step]

So cut that price in half and get $120.. that price I can completely understand but in the future why can't people put equalivelent dollar amounts...

[Cooper]

Canadian shop has those rated at $217 (http://www.comtec.ca/wd-serial-10k-c-5270_5340_5344.html) - canadian dollars that is

[nn_step]

which according to the bank of Canada is about $189.02.. not too bad..

[Mr. Tinker]

native Command Queing.. it can make a 7.2k drive run like a 10k drive.. infact faster in some cases
Take a look at Storage Review's review of the new raptor. You'll question your ncq statement if you were referring to desktop use.

[nn_step]

Take a look at Storage Review's review of the new raptor. You'll question your ncq statement if you were referring to desktop use.
Take a look at the effect of NCQ at Storage Review's Review of NCQ.. it will make you Question your Poorly researched Response..:fact:

[aldamon]

Canadian shop has those rated at $217 (http://www.comtec.ca/wd-serial-10k-c-5270_5340_5344.html) - canadian dollars that is

Canada has it before us? WTF? Isn't that a first? :confused:

[nn_step]

Canada has it before us? WTF? Isn't that a first? :confused:
not really.. it happens fortunately it is just a couple hour drive away from Canada and my precious :p: (talking about the drive not my girl)

[mursaat]

not really.. it happens fortunately it is just a couple hour drive away from Canada and my precious :p: (talking about the drive not my girl)drive away driving or the hard disk drive? :D j/k

As for NCQ, as far as I know it chooses the shortest path between the data, it is in a non-NCQ drive the platter has to spin 4 times to get to 4 separate bits, and NCQ it varies the radius of the spin to get them in a row. Research for pictures if my explanation is confusing :D

[nn_step]

drive away driving or the hard disk drive? :D j/k

As for NCQ, as far as I know it chooses the shortest path between the data, it is in a non-NCQ drive the platter has to spin 4 times to get to 4 separate bits, and NCQ it varies the radius of the spin to get them in a row. Research for pictures if my explanation is confusing :D

allow me to explain with a picture:
http://www.thetechzone.com/db_images/hitachi_vs_seagate/ncq.gif

[aldamon]

not really.. it happens fortunately it is just a couple hour drive away from Canada and my precious :p: (talking about the drive not my girl)

Hmmmm. Lucky! I think ZZF will have it cheaper in a couple of weeks.

[mursaat]

nn_step: that was exactly the picture I was thinking of :)

[aldamon]

ComTec has pulled the product page. Did you buy all of them nn_step? :)

[nn_step]

ComTec has pulled the product page. Did you buy all of them nn_step? :)
Well I tried my Best and I dont think I could get em all :p:
I got two to bench with.. but I love my Atlas and my SCSI set up :D
15k and 16mb just tastes better than 10k and 16/8mb

[mursaat]

Now that you mention 15k drives... there is no SATA drive that gets close to the theoretical 150MBps, of course not 300MBps. Why no manufacturer makes a 15k SATAI/II HDD?

[nn_step]

Now that you mention 15k drives... there is no SATA drive that gets close to the theoretical 150MBps, of course not 300MBps. Why no manufacturer makes a 15k SATAI/II HDD?
Because SCSI speeds are expensive.. why do you think 10k raptors cost twice as much as 7.2k Hard drives the same size?
15K drives cost even more than that..

[mursaat]

Because SCSI speeds are expensive.. why do you think 10k raptors cost twice as much as 7.2k Hard drives the same size?
15K drives cost even more than that..Hmm wouldn't you buy one even if it's expensive? :D I understand raptors are not a mass product, but would be great to have a 15k sata drive without the cost of the drive+scsi controller.

[nn_step]

Hmm wouldn't you buy one even if it's expensive? :D I understand raptors are not a mass product, but would be great to have a 15k sata drive without the cost of the drive+scsi controller.
Honestly I already have the SCSI controller in fact I have a couple..
even this aging beauty
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/nn_step2/scsi.jpg
and it is nice becasue I don't have to reinstall windows when I switch computers

[aldamon]

Well, I'm out of the hunt. Just got a good deal on the 150GB. I've had my WD1200JB for 4 years now so it's time to retire it to storage duty and move on the greener pastures.

[EvilCloudStrife]

i had no idea they were making a 74gb version of the new drive. or a 16mb version of the old raptor. whatever way you look at it ;)

[Mr. Tinker]

Take a look at the effect of NCQ at Storage Review's Review of NCQ.. it will make you Question your Poorly researched Response..:fact:
Since we're talking about a specific drive here, I'll let our source do the talking:

Native Command Queuing (NCQ)'s impact has been something of a mixed bag when it comes to single-user performance. While nowhere near as damaging as the legacy TCQ found on the Raptor WD740GD and the Deskstar 7K400, NCQ nonetheless more often than not exacts a small penalty in performance at very low (read, single-user) queue depths.

http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200601/WD1500ADFD_8.html

Learn to read, son.

[topaimz]

Wat the BLOOD?! I thought having NCQ was better?
Thats why NCQ HDs are more expensive rite...

But I guess this doesn't comply to the Raptors, somehow...

[deff_ins]

hard drives with ncq has better performance in webservers not in usual gamers pc :)
dont know is it posible to disable ncq but if it is ill do serious testing with pleasure :)

so - is there any info about disabling ncq on raptor 36gb or wd2500ks? mobo: dfi expert or dfi sli-d

[JamesAvery22]

Since we're talking about a specific drive here, I'll let our source do the talking:



http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200601/WD1500ADFD_8.html

Learn to read, son.


NCQ is targeted at multi-user access. Thats what it benefits. Just like the "desktop" and "server" modes on some of seagate's drives, "server" mode gives a boost in multiuser access patterns and tends to hurt single user.

It all depends on your data and access patterns. While storagereview.com's testing methods are one of the best that I know of they are not perfect. They even say so in the description of their test bed. If you have an SQL server and a web server running on your desktop that you are using to develop with, then NCQ/server-mode could very well help you out. I have to do that crap on a f'ing laptop.


back to OP:

any chance they'd ever make a 36gb 10k w/ 16mb cache? Having multiple, namely 3, HDs gives me a huge boost. But even 74gb is wasted by me...

[Mr. Tinker]

Uhh...Thank you for reiterating my point.

[JamesAvery22]

Uhh...Thank you for reiterating my point.

That was the idea... just didnt say it to start with.