It has begun

[fatty]

Well my first resonable size cascade is underway, I have 2 2/3hp rotary compressors supplied by Mr Grey Mole and of course a Chilly1 evap for it

At the moment I am pressure testing the first stage overnight

Pics

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm1.jpg

The H/X needs insulating and the box under it just gives it a little height till I insulate it

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm2.jpg

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm3.jpg

And here is a quick shot with both compressors

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm4.jpg

[Gray Mole]

hehe it's about time Fats ;)

Oh and they're not 2/3HP I'm afraid...They're 3/4HP :D

Should give you some good results, I was almost there with the same deal when I ran out of R23 :mad: but hopefully I'll be back into it myself.

Can't wait mate, I've been waiting for another UK cascade to come out :toast:

Gray

[the_new_guy]

hey fatty what gases are you planing to run?

TXV on both or captube of 2nd stage?

[fatty]

Its going to be r507 in the first stage and Co2/r507 in the second the second stage will be captube

I have tested the first stage with r134a and of course I have pics

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm21.jpg

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm22.jpg

Last one

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm23.jpg

[s7e9h3n]

Niiiice....did you machine that case yourself?

[piotres]

-48.9*c with R134a :slobber: :eek: ? What vac?

[oublie]

Niiiice....did you machine that case yourself?

It a mountain mods case, but damn good choice for an off the shelf cascade case imo

[s7e9h3n]

It a mountain mods case, but damn good choice for an off the shelf cascade case imo
Ahhhh..ok...didn't recognize it with a cascade in it :p:

[fatty]

-48.9*c with R134a :slobber: :eek: ? What vac?

Yeah these rotary's hold uber vac thats how Grey can run a triple head unit that holds very good temps under load

As for the case its one of the older MM cases I was going to build a water chiller into it to sell off to pay for my cascade but no one showed any interest so I thought hell I'll build my cascade into it
I did polish the case as it was S/H when I bought it but I didn't want to mirror finnish it as it would be too much bling :)

[fatty]

Well the second stage is now in but not fully complete

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm34.jpg

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm31.jpg

And thanks Grey mole for the oil sep :)

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm32.jpg

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm33.jpg

I should get my R23 next week and some more R507 :)

[kayl]

very nice fatty, are you gonna be using a expansion chamber with that flex line, without the braid at static pressure you will exceed the rating its ment to be used at.

[boardy]

Looking good Fatty mate, keeo it up. I may come up have a look at some point, have to chat to you bout that, wud be good to actually meet the man behind the machine so they say, seein as we live bout 45min apart.

Get that R23 in it dammit :D

Boardy

[fatty]

very nice fatty, are you gonna be using a expansion chamber with that flex line, without the braid at static pressure you will exceed the rating its ment to be used at.

Ummmm unsure what its rated at chilly1 sent it to me ages ago it did ok for about 17 bar thats what I was pressure testing it for but I know r23 is like 40 odd bar but then if its only vapour ???

[fatty]

Also mate what part of aus in?? I will be back in a couple of years to live but I'm a Melbourne boy :)

[s7e9h3n]

Well the second stage is now in but not fully complete

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm31.jpg

WOW...things are definately looking sweet :clap: Those cases seem to have a ton of room for such a build. BTW, what's up with that compressor in the back with "HENRY" and a face painted on it :p: ? That thing looks like an absolute beast......

[fatty]

Lool "HENRY" is very special :)

Cheers I can't wait to finnish it but its at work and this weekend I need to fix the exhaust on my bike and fit some new end cans gives the 2nd stage time to pressure test ;)

[bazx]

hehe i was checking henry out to see if it was hooked up as the vac pump

[fatty]

hehe i was checking henry out to see if it was hooked up as the vac pump


Lol but looks like I may be in poo looks like the stainless is recomended for 10 bar nooooooo im testing it at 17??

[Cpt Twitchy]

Lol but looks like I may be in poo looks like the stainless is recomended for 10 bar nooooooo im testing it at 17??
You may want to contact pc ice about non braided cascade flexline. I know he has some that is good for either 500psi or700psi. Sorry I do not know the Bar conversion.

Tim

[fatty]

This maybe the good stuff but not 100% sure I know Grey may have someat for me ??

[Gray Mole]

Well first of all, nice one :D

It's great to see you're putting all that stuff to good use mate, hopefully you'll get that gas soon, and we can see some sweet temps.

I don't know about what PC Ice is using, but I've not seen much of non-braided that's rated higher than 10bar working, and about 20 bar burst. That's why we always use braided for cascade. This stuff MIGHT be ok, but it's a risk I don't recommend taking.

And yes, I DO have a braided suction line here if you want it, I'll just get another one from Chilly to replace it so you don't have to wait for one if you'd like.

I really want to see this thing up and running but using non-braided suction is a shortcut I just don't recommend.

Gray

[jinu117]

You may want to contact pc ice about non braided cascade flexline. I know he has some that is good for either 500psi or700psi. Sorry I do not know the Bar conversion.

Tim

I am sorry but I seriously doubt such things can exist with reasonable cost :P
500psi 700psi is what a COPPER tubing is rated for :P When we are talking about flex line... well... highest I've seen rated is for 170PSI without getting obnoxiously thick. Some older stuff used before this 170PSI was rated for 125 or 150 psi. Some specs can be misleading on lot of manufacturer's site as they would list unbraided one first than single braid and double braided one in line corresponding to about 600-700psi, 1500-2000psi.
Yes, it might not burst up under heavy pressure (ok... it didn't burst up at 300psi for 170psi rating when I played with it)... but still it isn't the most comfortable thing when you quite often deal with flammable gas.

Oh fatty, no receiver for the txv?

[Gray Mole]

Hey Jinu :)

He's got the filter set up in a way that it can double as a reciever. Not ideal, but a pretty common way to deal with that. I've also just sent over a sightglass to stick in there to make the charging easier too.

On my first cascade I used a filter then a small coil of 1/4" to act as the reciever and it was fine, and I'm sure this will work as well once the sightglass is installed so that the charge can be confirmed. I wouldn't want to try to charge a TEV system without a sightglass, can be done I suppose, but much easier with sightglass. on the last one that I ran out of R23 in the process of charging I only used a larger filter and a sightglass and no real problems once it was charged up other than I'd used too small an orifice :p

Whether it's flammable or not, I just don't like the idea of non braided flex in there. Makes me nervous cos it's not only a weak point, but it's a weak point that's right there in the open. At least if it was inside the case you might not get it exploding in your face, but outside it's a ticking bomb waiting to take your eyes out.

Gray

[chilly1]

1/4 inch copper tubing is rated 500 to 600 working with 2000 psi burst. The Gs flex with brade has simmilar ratings but when you have a stainless gas flex without braid working pressure is from 90 psi to 120 psi. add a braid before running any high pressures.. of keep your static charge under 90 psi...

[chilly1]

The hose will elongate with out braid hence the low pressure rating with no brain...

[fatty]

Cheers mate I wasn't sure I will whip it out before I do a full test I did have it running at 150-200 psig already but I will take it out then clean her up a bit still unsure what electrics I want to run on it yet I have found a simple programable circuit which I might use :)

And Grey I may just be all over that suction line of yours :)

[s7e9h3n]

Cheers mate I wasn't sure I will whip it out before I do a full test I did have it running at 150-200 psig already but I will take it out then clean her up a bit still unsure what electrics I want to run on it yet I have found a simple programable circuit which I might use :)

And Grey I may just be all over that suction line of yours :)
I'm sooooo tempted to use this ENTIRE quote in my sig ;) :D

[fatty]

You just want my 48 inches of suction line ;)

[s7e9h3n]

And Grey I may just be all over that suction line of yours
From the looks of it, it's YOU who wants GRAY'S suction line :bananal: :gay: lol.....:toast:

[Gray Mole]

From the looks of it, it's YOU who wants GRAY'S suction line :bananal: :gay: lol.....:toast:

EVERYONE wants my suction line baby :woot:


:D

Gray

[jinu117]

Huh what is your suction line Gray? I must have skipped out.

[Gray Mole]

It's my own fault Jinu, I offerred him a braided suction line.

Getting back on topic ;) lol

Gray

[luf1c3r]

That you win I have of seeing this systema in march :D
Happiness.

Greetings

[Cpt Twitchy]

I am sorry but I seriously doubt such things can exist with reasonable cost :P
500psi 700psi is what a COPPER tubing is rated for :P When we are talking about flex line... well... highest I've seen rated is for 170PSI without getting obnoxiously thick. Some older stuff used before this 170PSI was rated for 125 or 150 psi. Some specs can be misleading on lot of manufacturer's site as they would list unbraided one first than single braid and double braided one in line corresponding to about 600-700psi, 1500-2000psi.
Yes, it might not burst up under heavy pressure (ok... it didn't burst up at 300psi for 170psi rating when I played with it)... but still it isn't the most comfortable thing when you quite often deal with flammable gas.

Oh fatty, no receiver for the txv?
Very good point about the possible rupture with highly flamable gas.

AS for the flex line I know he got some new stuff that is much better then the older stuff that is commmonly used. I could be wrong about ratings but it is "rated" very high.

[fatty]

10bar working pressure 20bar max but burst is supposed to be 180bar well looking at some stats for 3o4 corrigated stainless but I will be getting the braided stuff off grey that chilly1 sold him :)

[vikikz]

Very beatyfull system fatty!

[fatty]

I joined the club well only just :D

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/-1008.jpg

Well I am just a little pleased with myself and thanx to Grey for all the help now I just need to tune and load test :)

[Waus-mod]

Great work you got there.... -100 club is yours :D :beer:

[fatty]

I just need to get it stable so I can run some load tests now :)

[Gray Mole]

Sweet mate, I had a feeling you weren't far off :toast:


I'm just glad it's happened mate. You're doing all the work :D

Nice, now we'll see what load it will do, and when you get your R23, you'll be flying :woot:


Gray

[fatty]

Yeah I dont think the co2 will hold good load temps and I neeeeeeeeed my R23 but steve is looking into it still for me :) oh and may need a bottle off you :)

[s7e9h3n]

oh and may need a bottle off you :)
Here we go again :rolleyes: :p: Congrats on the -100Club Fatty :toast:

[fatty]

Cheers s7e9h3n

I will see if I can play with it tomorrow under load may give me better indication of the job I have done :)

[Fhqwhgads6680]

Congrats fatty! great system! looking forward to loaded results. keep up the awesome work!!

[boardy]

Nice work matey, knew you'd get there :)

Boardy

[fatty]

Yeah its taken me long enough to do lol, I still need to find a controller and perdy it up

[4everCS]

Looks great!!! After I finish my first SS I will try out a cascade or autocascade.

[fatty]

Still not got my -100 member title yet I am very upset :( hmmm I need my new gas and some load testing

[kayl]

Still not got my -100 member title yet I am very upset :( hmmm I need my new gas and some load testing


well done fatty:toast:
pm one of the Moderators and they will fix that up for ya.
that shouldnt do too bad loaded as well:D

[s7e9h3n]

Still not got my -100 member title yet I am very upset :( hmmm I need my new gas and some load testing
Talking to Chilly right now - tryin to get that done for you....OK, he said he doesn't have the power to change titles:wth:but says to PM him and he'll forward it on to Fugger.....hope it works out for ya :toast:

[Master_G]

Congrats on the -100C club fatty, knew it wouldnt be too long until you were a member :)

G

[SoddemFX]

Congratulations Fatty :)

A very nice piece of work.

Tom

[fatty]

Cheers guys next week I hope I will get my R23 then I will perdy it up and get my fx57 under it ;)

[Dumo]

Cheers guys next week I hope I will get my R23 then I will perdy it up and get my fx57 under it ;)Nice cold one fatty:toast: ..Your 0522 will like it:)

[fatty]

Cheers all I realy hope it likes it and I also need a controller for this big sucker so Golden or SS if you finnish the cas controller soon I neeed one

[Bundles]

Nice setup fatty :)

Even HENRY looks chuffed!

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/mm31.jpg

Mind you what does he know, HENRY sucks ;)

[runmc]

Congrats Fatty - welcome to the club:woot:

[Jort]

Yeah congratz, great Job you did on the cascade!!

[fatty]

Cheers guys just hit a bit of a financial lul so looks like the r23 is on hold again :( so I may retune and load test for co2

[fatty]

Ok well I did some testing as some people already know at a usable charge idle at -80 I get -65 under my 210W heatload I wasn't very happy with this but I was told it was ok for CO2??

[fatty]

I found a small leak on my evap head after cleaning it up (that will learn me to shave it too fine) so I had to remove and re braze it.
Then I thought what the hey I will stick a sight glass on the first stage and a couple of switches, I still havent decided on a temp display/programmer so switches it is for now makes the cascade a little more user friendly.
At the moment I am vaccing the second stage again then I will charge and retune it
Pics will follow
oh yeah I am hitting around -102 but I need more cooling back to the compressor so more gas or less CO2 its hard to get the right balance

[LukeXE]

Ok well I did some testing as some people already know at a usable charge idle at -80 I get -65 under my 210W heatload I wasn't very happy with this but I was told it was ok for CO2??

Yeah, that`s great score for CO2. I have that same on my cascade and CO2 too, with ~215W dummy load.

By the way, how much cap tube do you have on 2 stage ?

[fatty]

I am using 93" of 0.0028 cap tube

[fatty]

I still haven't got a controller for the cassy yet but I have been trying to perdy her up a bit I stuck some switches on her for now, I may use a mach display as I have a few kicking around :)

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/uf.jpg

[Alex08]

metal casing looks pretty damn impressive. :toast:

[Gray Mole]

Dam Fat's it doesn't matter if it's the coldest Cascade around, it's among the most beautiful I've ever seen :eek:

You attention to detail has been amazing throughout this project and my hat's off to ya mate :toast:

Gray

[fatty]

Well good news my baby is comming home tonight unfortunatley not until late and I wont be able to stick it on my fx until the weekend :(

[SlackeR]

geez that is one purdy cooler. It is looking great!

[the_new_guy]

the case is really nice!!

u made all on ur own?

[boardy]

The case is a MM UFO case if I'm not mistaken :)

Looks REALLY nice fatty mate, come help me make mine look that nice dam you ;)

Boardy

[fatty]

LOL yeah it did start out as an old brushed alu mm case I polished her up a bit and added switches mesh and a dirty big cascade loool

Good news is she arrived safe and sound I hope to do some testing on the weekend just to see what my chip will do.....but I still need a raptor for my benching :(

[Waus-mod]

that case is making it superb.... really nice finish there! i like it :D keep on going.

[fatty]

Thanks I hope to have some more pictures soon when I set it all up over the weekend and do some benching :)

[piotres]

Those switches looks retro ...grats.. sth another than usually used :D

You do really nice work :toast:

Are those wall light switches ??

Regards
Peter

[fatty]

Yes they are I think they are rated for like 10 or 16 amps the unit doesnt draw that much when running only start up

[pazza316]

Looks good that Fatty. Nice temps too!!

[fatty]

A little action

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/spi.jpg

[fatty]

still has a little more but I dont think it likes over 255 fsb noooooo but still playing

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/38.jpg

[fatty]

05 @ 3750

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1908412

[Sub zero]

Nice piece of work there fatty mate most impressed:D

[piotres]

We love that actions :slobber: :D

Evap temp ?? ;)

Regards
Peter

[fatty]

4 jig

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/4jig.jpg

hmmm evap well its holding stable on my fluke -78 to -82 I think bios -40 smart gaurdian -50 ish loool pics when i up load em but have to stop got peeps for dinner ect grrrrrrrrrrr

[SoddemFX]

Very nice dude :)

Congratulations on the 4 jig :D

Tom

[fatty]

Cheers it is a suicide shot but still

[n00b 0f l337]

Suicide but not very tweaked windows. :)

[piotres]

Switch that baby to R1150 and run for 4.1 jig :D

[fatty]

We love that actions :slobber: :D

Evap temp ?? ;)

Regards
Peter

When i was typing the last message to you

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/Picture%20036.jpg

[piotres]

That's really nice numbers with co2 :toast:

[fatty]

Yeah its odd bios says

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/Picture%20025.jpg

and smart gaurdian says

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/dt%7E0.jpg

[Xeon th MG Pony]

BIOS's are natoriously wrong all the time so be not suprised it reads wrong!

[Nosfer@tu]

THIS IS SO NICE :D

WANT TO LEARN :)
Sry for OT, but if anybody could send a PM to me with what i need to Buy/add to my wish list in order to just make a small kompressor.....

ARGGG desperation. Waaaannnn toooo beee skilled 2 :)

[johann]

Fatty, looks like you need a nice custom cascade froster to finish that baby off :D

[boardy]

Fatty, looks like you need a nice custom cascade forster to finish that baby off :D

Think you mean Froster there ;) and yea come on Fatty, get a lovely G-Froster Cascade on that baby!!

Boardy

[johann]

hehe sorry Boardy you know my dodgy typing, I edit the post hehe

What you talking about? :D

[fatty]

I am thinking about it but I need more spec on the controller I was told it has a hp cut out ummmm I need to know what sensor etc how to hook it into my existing system .... the controller I was looking at was donr on temperature and not pressure so???

[Weee]

BIOS's are natoriously wrong all the time so be not suprised it reads wrong!

While in the BIOS there is more load on the CPU than during windows idle.

Evap temp is the impt thing to look at, windows temps are useful in ensuring you have a good mount, and seeing the effect of voltage on temps.

Good job on the cascade and 4GHz!

[quintus]

sorry for the off topic, johann can we speak? are we still on? evaps ready....
regards,
q

[Xeon th MG Pony]

No, the bois is just all out wrong a good 78% of the time, usless for any "real" analysis, it is use full for ruff guestimation but for temp benching not at all practicle, same with windows a third party properly calibrated prob is going to be the only thing that will give you your true temp. This is well knowen in the hard ware field there are meny facters for why it happens as well, predominantly it is due to where they place the thermister and thermal leakage.

[fatty]

Noooooooooooo I can only validate at 4001 :(


http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=83378

[fatty]

Another pic of the front finnished

http://gallery.greatestjournal.com/albums/up5/462/929462/front.jpg

[Marvin]

very nice unit. Marvellous case.

[404Power]

dito :eek: :banana: :slobber:

[kayl]

very nice cascade there fatty. that Fx57 is nicly clocked also, keep up the good work

[fatty]

Cheers mate She doesn't want to get over 4gig just yet but I might try pushing harder :)
I am also still considering an r23 regass on the high stage

[johann]

Nice cascade mate.

Great case, one thing I hate about the average cascade is the bulky ghetto look, this one is sweeeet

[fatty]

Yeah I just need to get some cash for a froster and some r23 then I may be happy :)

I have used it several times on my fx57 each time same results -85 idle and full load -78 thats evap so I know the unit is stable oh except when the oil sep opens up loool