Mushkin Redline XP4000 3-3-2-8

[Reinvented]

Hi guys. I know there's a big thread about this kit and such. I was just wondering if any of you have any other stable settings to try at a 1:1 ratio. I can boot, and am now running SP2004. My computer will do 270x10 now that i switched back to the 6/23-3. Now, hopefully someone can point me in the right direction with drive strengths and such, and other timings.

Right now i'm using most of Charlie's settings that were provided with an older A64 Tweaker shot. Hopefully it'll work out. My timings are 3-4-4-8 @ 270 1:1. 2.8v. Any other help would be appreciated in order to get this stable.

[Reinvented]

So, it's okay to use a divider, Ben? Is that what you would recommend?

I'm sure as hell my CPU will do 2.86 260x11.

[Reinvented]

Just thought I'd show this.

[ben805]

Just thought I'd show this.

Can you please show me some 3D benchie with the same mem clock you ran prime? :D :D :D

[Reinvented]

Ben...I have some bad news. :(

Okay, so right when you posted that, I stopped priming, and go to open 3DMark06...screen goes black, and then 15 seconds later, it restarts. :-\ This was some bad news. I dunno man, I think it requires some more tweaking, and hopefully I can get some answers.

[Nettwerk]

Dont waste your time tweaking too much, they probably wont do 3d no matter what at 270.

[ExtraPickles]

Can you please show me some 3D benchie with the same mem clock you ran prime? :D :D :DWhat 3D bench will work them, like 3dm05? I run them in my daily driver at 275-280 3-3-2-8 1:1 2.8v and have never had probs with 3dm05, fear, quake4, hl2, cod2... would like to know what will give them trouble so I can try it.

Reinvented: I have 2 pairs of this memory bought direct from Mushkin 2 weeks apart and 1 pair is awesome and the other pair is just mediocre. Tweaking did not do much for me but I'm certainly no authority on memory.

-pickles

[Reinvented]

Pick: You're the next guy I want to go to for settings.

Throw down some bios settings here including drive str's and I'll take care of the rest. I got my set directly from them a week after Thanksgiving, so they should clock pretty well.

[Reinvented]

@ Ben, backed it down to 260, tried a multiplier with 11, no dice. Backed it down to 10.5, booted right up. Mem frequency is at 248, and i'm gonna see if i can run 3dmark06.

[ExtraPickles]

This do anything for you?

http://www.binaryresults.com/wc/a64tweak1.jpg

[Reinvented]

The only thing that I would like to know is voltages, and drive strength, and data drive strength. Charlie's post indicated 110% stable settings with a Normal Drive Strength (even number), and yours is denoted by an odd number. This might help a bit more with stability.

So far, I've gotten into Windows to post this, and all seems okay for now. Not sure how long it will take before it freezes.

Also, you all are able to get your Read Preamble time to 5.5 ns, where if i put it at that, it shows up as 6ns in A64 tweaker. But, I will continue to test this.

Also: I flashed back to 704-2BTA, and Read Preamble shows up as 5.5ns now. Gonna go see if it's 3dstable.

[ExtraPickles]

OK... not going to be much help here... I just checked what I'm running:

BIOS 11-14-2005 beta
Mem voltage 2.8
Drive strength, data drive strength, read preamble all set to auto

-pickles

[Reinvented]

Wasn't stable at any settings. I would get to the Windows Loading screen, and then screen would go black, and wouldn't boot. 15 seconds after, it would reboot. I guess it's a wall. But, i still think just some more tweaking would help.

Right now, i'm doing 250x11 1.55v, 1:1 3-3-2-8

Kinda disappointing..

Maybe i'll try and find some of those Tracers.

[Duonger]

reinvented

please call in tomorrow and talk to one of our tech guys, i will ask them to look at this thread also.

Duonger

[Reinvented]

Duonger, don't get the wrong idea that i want to RMA these or anything. They are fantastic sticks. But, if they are there to offer assistance on getting these stable 1:1 at 270, i would call in a heartbeat. Do you guys by any chance to testing on DFI boards as well?

[Duonger]

try and see what they can do. i know we have the dfi boards in house. dfi has graciously been exchanging boards for our memory to ensure compatibility.

Duonger

[Reinvented]

Much appreciated my friend. If I try some other RAM like those Tracers, and it can't clock the same, I'll probably be guessing it has to do with my CPU's memory controller.

[ben805]

Use this setting, Dram drive and data strength set them to 8/3, try 2.6~2.7v. Tref 3120, leave 123 Errata Enhancement on Auto.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42903


Forget about prime, OCCT, SuperPI, memtest and all that jazz for now!! Just clock it back down to 260 and fire up any 3Dmarks (01/03/05/06) or Aquamark3, if you get choppy graphics or hang, then mem clock need to be back down again till you find stability, these CE-6 are completely different beast, do a search for Charlie's thread on this memory and you'll find bunch of other results there.


Edit: by the way, 704-2BTA should work perfectly well for these sticks.

[Reinvented]

Stability was at 260x10.5 1:1 (memory clocked to 248). Anything higher, no dice, latencies at 3-3-2-8, 2.7v, other settings the same as yours. Waiting for a reply from Mushkin via email.

[Duonger]

where did u email to.. send it to me tom@mushkin.com and i will ask brian and ian to comment

Duonger

[Reinvented]

I got off the phone with Krista, and she told me to forward it to Ian.

[Duonger]

Cool.

I hope he can get u the answer u need. keep me in the loop

Duonger

[Reinvented]

Thanks a bunch Tom. I will be sure to update this post with settings to try and such, and how it clocks. Also, just wondering if Mushkin will ever release some 2x1GB sticks with a higher headroom like DDR600.

[Duonger]

those are in the work..but we are concentrating more and more on ddr2...

ie

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/294/1/

Duonger

PS??. even some of our close friends*** bought those from us today off our site....

[situman]

I spoke to Krista, or was it Krystal? She sounded hot and friendly. Can I get a picture of her?...hahahaaa j/k and no I am not a freak.

[Duonger]

krista... sorry she is spoken for.. but all the girls a mushkin are hot!

LOL

DUonger

[Reinvented]

Okay, so Ian provided some settings, and I've been playing back and forth with two bios in particular... the 6/23-3 and 704-2BTA. Still no dice. 3dMark06 will freeze up badly, and I'd have to do a reset. 3DMark05 will initialize, but then my screen would go off center, and freeze, and I'd have to reset. No matter how loose I make the timings, or how much voltage I pump in (Ian said to do 2.8v +0.03v), and it still wouldn't work. At times, my computer would freeze up before I even logged in, or my mouse or keyboard wouldn't be detected until i reset. This just baffles me.

[ian]

Target is 2.8v. you should be okay with 2.7 and the +.03v enabled. the board tends to overvolt anyway.

[Reinvented]

Hey Ian, I gave those other two bios's a shot, still instability at stock, and even tried the other settings at 270 1:1, absolutely nothing. Reverted back to 704-2BTA, and loosened timings a bit.

I'm able to play games and such, but just not run any benchmarks. Errors out really fast. Any other possible settings to try?

[JNav89GT]

try
2.9v
increase skew
value 255

idle cycle 16

trtw 4

drive strenght 7
data drive either 1,2,3

[nugzo]

I havent had any issues with my reline and 3D. Here are some benches. Games run good too.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8295/032kp.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6922/050rp.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6171/060dr.jpg

[Reinvented]

Tried those settings you two gave me. Both resulted in a no-post. Nugzo, we do have the same memory right? The redlines with Infineon?

[nugzo]

Nugzo, we do have the same memory right? The redlines with Infineon?


this is what i have http://www.mushkin.com/doc/products/memory_detail.asp?ID=273

[Major]

I've got a set coming on Wednesday, I'll post up my results when I have something solid.

[Reinvented]

Nugz: I'm gonna give it another go.

Major: Thanks for the offer. Can you test it on Ultra-D or something of the sort?

Also, just wondering if i should turn up LDT voltage to 1.4v. Let me know asap!
I was thinking if i turn it up a bit, it might help clock it better.

[Eldonko]

In my experience changing LDT or chipset voltage did nothing. :confused: What drive str you using?

[Reinvented]

I've tried 8/1 8/3 7/1 7/3 7/2

Well, I just tested @ 2.6ghz (260 1:1) Worked fine. I've yet to do any 3d testing.

I passed out last night, so I didn't get a chance to mess with it more. But, rest assured, that's what i'm doing all day today.

Edit 2: Passed 3dmark05/06. Now, hopefully I can bump it up another 10 mhz.

Edit 3: Very gay memory indeed. 262 max. I'm keeping it at 260x10x3 1:1. Lost a lot of hz doing that.

[-.-PhanTom-.-]

I know how you feel man, mine are exactly the same :(
Got some new g.skill today, but they also do not perform like I expected :(
But alleast they are better than my Redlines - no 3D instabillity, they just can't go above 265 :(
Why Why WhY am I this unlucky with Memory :(

Maybe Corsair or Balistix should be next?...this :banana::banana::banana::banana: is ruining me...why does it has to be some addictive..the hunt for those extra Mhz...*sigh*

[Duonger]

Read this

http://www.ocprices.com/index.php?rev_id=294&page=1&action=reviews

Duonger

[althes]

wow those sticks are amazing

[Vapor]

Damn, clocking better than a lot of UCCC and with better timings. Gotta love Redlines. :clap:

[Duonger]

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Duonger

[Duonger]

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Duonger

[Reinvented]

Are you a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing moron or what? Clearly you send out cherry picked modules to be tested. Terrible company. I'm done with this crap.

[chew*]

dont see nothing cherry about that........3-4-4-8 with 2.9 volts........Not gonna last long at that voltage and UCC can do same timings at that speed.....Also noticed that they dont compare them to OCZ's infineon sticks.

[sin0822]

Are you a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing moron or what? Clearly you send out cherry picked modules to be tested. Terrible company. I'm done with this crap.
That wasnt called for, they dont send out cherry picked, it depends on how the yields are at that time, there is still some low yield modules being sold.

[Duonger]

ok thanks.. guess i will just keep my comments to myself. these were not cherry picked.

Duonger

[Major]

Are you a :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing moron or what? Clearly you send out cherry picked modules to be tested. Terrible company. I'm done with this crap.


That will get you banned real quick !

Its luck of the draw when it comes to memory, check out this thread and look at the variation in what those modules did.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88607

[chew*]

I just can't keep quiet about this as it really annoys me........When you buy a product rated to lets say a cpu and its rated for 2.2 gig if it runs at rated spec there is no reason to complain......same goes for memory......I have a set of OCZ EB's they do 265 max.......I only needed them to do 250 at rated specs of 2-3-2-8 they run at 2-3-2-5. No need to RMA no need to complain.....

[Bar81]

Really, it's getting out of control around here with all the crying. You buy something, it performs to spec and there's a problem??? I hope both Mushkin and OCZ tighten up their RMA policies to weed out this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. If it works at rated spec you shouldn't be able to RMA it without paying a restocking fee. These whiners just make these modules more expensive for the rest of us as the companies have to factor in the unjustified "returns" into their pricing scheme.

[JNav89GT]

I think people get confused with rated timings and what reviewers or other users get. It continues to happen despite many posts about variations etc.. And somehow it all boils down to a conspiracy theory. It has been widely known for months now that CE6 IC's have a wide variation between batches. Mushkins first batch was quite good, the later 2,3 batches not so good. I think last batch was good, but I cannot confirm b/c I haven't tested those. Anyway, as Major, Bar81 and others have stated, Memory makers rate memory for a reason. They bin them accordingly and if they run there, then you have gotten your $'s worth. If you want guaranteed headroom, then buy a faster set. It's pretty simple, but for whatever reason people continue to thrust their expectations on the manufacturer as if it is the manufacturers responsibility to make sure every kit does what a reviewer or Charlie or Opp or whomever gets. CPU's, motherboards, IC's and user experience all vary. Just the nature of the beast. Reinvented, your not making a good case for yourself here, I suggest you backoff and calm down and enjoy your memory versus continuing your diatribe.

[-.-PhanTom-.-]

I think people get confused with rated timings and what reviewers or other users get. It continues to happen despite many posts about variations etc.. And somehow it all boils down to a conspiracy theory. It has been widely known for months now that CE6 IC's have a wide variation between batches. Mushkins first batch was quite good, the later 2,3 batches not so good. I think last batch was good, but I cannot confirm b/c I haven't tested those. Anyway, as Major, Bar81 and others have stated, Memory makers rate memory for a reason. They bin them accordingly and if they run there, then you have gotten your $'s worth. If you want guaranteed headroom, then buy a faster set. It's pretty simple, but for whatever reason people continue to thrust their expectations on the manufacturer as if it is the manufacturers responsibility to make sure every kit does what a reviewer or Charlie or Opp or whomever gets. CPU's, motherboards, IC's and user experience all vary. Just the nature of the beast. Reinvented, your not making a good case for yourself here, I suggest you backoff and calm down and enjoy your memory versus continuing your diatribe.

Corect me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, you cannot get 2 X 1 GB dual channel modules that are spec'ed higher than 250 Mhz?

Also, I just find it ethically questioning that so-called "Techs" from hardware manufacturer companies hang out at this board and others like it, posting their extreme overclock results, without mentioning the fact that they have been through 5-15 different pairs before finding the golden pair. Kinda gives us, the consumers, the illusion that it is the rule, rather than the exception, to find such great overcloking hardware...

Granted, they do an excellent job of helping people out with problems specific to the brand they represent, but I can't help but get a feeling that it is also parltly a "smart" marketing ploy to get people to buy their companies products....

But I do aggree, that people should be able to discuss these issue is a poilte and civilized manner...

[Reinvented]

Really, it's getting out of control around here with all the crying. You buy something, it performs to spec and there's a problem??? I hope both Mushkin and OCZ tighten up their RMA policies to weed out this bull:banana::banana::banana::banana:. If it works at rated spec you shouldn't be able to RMA it without paying a restocking fee. These whiners just make these modules more expensive for the rest of us as the companies have to factor in the unjustified "returns" into their pricing scheme.

But see, no one's talking about RMA'ing anything. Please, learn to read.
I can't even get it to run at rated spec very well either without it crashing 2 hrs into a game or what not.

[bachus_anonym]

@Reinvented,

First you say that you managed to do 262MHz 8-2-3-3.0-1T 3D stable and now claim that you have problems at stock. Make up your mind, will you?

Also, read up a bit and see what kind of experiences others have with those sticks and Infineon Rev.C based modules in general (not only Mushkin, but GSkill, OCZ and others). It's a known fact that most of them (with some few exceptions) won't do 3D as high as they are 2D or desktop stable. Also, modules that are fully stable (including 3D) @ 270MHz 5-2-3-3.0-1T and higher are considered to be VERY good and quite rare! You would have known that If you had read something about it. Think about it and stop crying about not being able to get 270Mhz stable.

You can consider yourself very lucky as normally you would have enjoyed some vacation from XS Forums by now. Next time I see you going off on anyone like you did with Duonger and you're out!!!

[Major]

Ok, got my Mushkin Redline XP4000 2x1gig from Newegg today via Fedex. I've spent about an hour with them now.

See sig for rig, using DFI Expert, Set Tref to 4708, Drive Strengths to Auto, Preamble and latency to Auto, 2.8vdimm, manually set the rest to 3-3-7-2-7-14-2-2-2-2-1

This was completely effortless OCing, plugged the ram in and set a few bios settings.
Worked at 267mhz right off the bat, just had to find max 3d. Very different from my experience with TCCD and the Expert (which has been a PITA !) :D

My max for 3d turns out to be 264mhz, I'm a happy camper ;)

Havn't tried any other timings yet, I know it wont boot at Cas2.5 @ 250mhz I did try that.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43225&stc=1&d=1139450197

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43226&stc=1&d=1139450518

[Eldonko]

Not bad at all Major, let us know if you find any tweeks to get a few more mhz. :)

[Major]

I'm not putting to much effort into trying to get anymore 3d stable mhz out of them. I've read enough about them and the OCZ EB that I know it aint going to happen so I've resolved to just tighten up the settings and squeeze as much bandwidth out of them at 264 as possible :D

When I bought these 267 was all I really was shooting for so I could keep my max cpu clock at 3.2ghz. Maybe they will get better with time ? lol

[chew*]

And Just to set things straight I have a set of Infineon CE-6 (not mushkin)and i am obtaining the same results as MAJOR. No 2.5 cl at 250, 265 ish max 3d stable, Also no reigning on mushkins parade here just stating the facts of what this particular set of IC's are capable of........I also settled for tight as can be timings and didn't push the envelope to get above 265......And am happy as can be.

[Major]

I also settled for tight as can be timings and didn't push the envelope to get above 265......And am happy as can be.

Great minds think alike ! :p:

This is a tight as she gets for me, I looked back though my screen shots of the UCCC and Ballistix sticks I've had but couldn't find any at 3.1ghz or higher on an X2 or my 180 so I can't make a fair comparison. But I didn't find any even close to 7,600mb/s.

I'm very pleased with my results

[bachus_anonym]

Oh come on George, don't settle for less when there might be some more there left :D But you got very nice 3D-stable result, especially considering only one hour time put into it :)

I'm still in slobber looking at nugzo's & ExtraPickles' 275+MHz in 3D, though :slobber:

[chew*]

5.5ns is possible major :)

[Major]

5.5ns is possible major :)

I've got it set to 5.5ns now

Just spent 2 hours playing with Vdimm,Tref, and drive strengths and nothing gained me even 1mhz in 3d. Just like all the rest of the posts I've read, its just an IC issue and nothing can be done about it.

[bachus_anonym]

I've got it set to 5.5ns now

Just spent 2 hours playing with Vdimm,Tref, and drive strengths and nothing gained me even 1mhz in 3d. Just like all the rest of the posts I've read, its just an IC issue and nothing can be done about it.Thanks for trying that for us, Major :toast: