First Look: Teamgroup 2x512MB PC4000 BH-5

[s7e9h3n]

So you guys (and gals) say you want some fast sticks for benching? These modules right here may just be the answer. Slated for DDR500 speeds, 2-2-2-5 @ 3.3v (sorry I was wrong about the original 3.2v estimate), the potential for high OC's don't seem so out of reach any more. The sticks you see right here are the first set of PC4000 from Team's "Xtreem BH-5" line to be released to the public and I've got the honor of testing/torturing them first ;) I've also been assured that the performance of the retail release of these kits will be very comparable - if not better - than this particular set. So no cherry-picking here :nono: Here's a few pics:

The heatspreaders on these sticks don't seem as suffocating as the standard ones we usually see on the RAM from Kingston, Mushkin, etc. I'd say that this is probably a better design in that sense. But personally, I've achieved my best results when the sticks are naked....sooooooo.......;) Note: Be advised that removing the heatspreaders from most modules of memory will void your warranty. Teamgroup's memory should not be an exception. If you end up borking your sticks and are unable to RMA due to the removal of the spreaders, please don't point to this thread and say "Well s7e9h3n did it".....
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/fullsticks.jpg

Yes, they ARE in fact rated @ PC4000, 2-2-2-5. Don't be fooled by the PC3200 sticker :p: :
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/timings.jpg

A closer look at the IC's and PCB. These sticks use 0551 BH-5 IC's on Brainpower 808 pcb's:
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/close%20chip.jpg

A full set of tests to come..........

[Lastviking]

Same pcb on my pc3200(brainpower) but my sticks are 0548T, i think xtreem test all sticks and take out the best and rate them pc4000.

[rookiekiller]

hm, lecker =o)
i want it 2

1 stick of my redline was killed after prime =o( now it has bootproblem, i have to boot with 1 stick then shutdown and put the second killed stick in mobo then it can boot and run stable like normal stable =o)


show us ur best result of these new power

[pl4y3r]

How much did u pay 4 this? in my country TeamGroup 2x512 3200 BH5 costs 192$
now show us some tests ;D
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5205/cl2koscbig2sw.jpg

[metro.cl]

nice where to get them??

[Lastviking]

How much did u pay 4 this? in my country TeamGroup 2x512 3200 BH5 costs 192$

About 200$ for the pc3200 they are not cheap..and the price has going up to know.

[dinos22]

looking forward to some test results.......BH5 PC4000 RAM hey.....this is going to be good

[bachus_anonym]

Let's go, Steven... ;) Don't leave them all hanging here and make sure to bring some 32M with ya :D :p:
nice where to get them??By googling, I found one e-tailer here in US, that carries Team Group's UTT-BH5 kits (PC3200 for $135 and PC4000 for $177) - Computer Giants (http://www.computergiants.com/items/part_number.asp?part=team+1GB+TXDR1024M&go.x=0&go.y=0). No idea about their reputation, though...

[s7e9h3n]

Let's go, Steven... ;) Don't leave them all hanging here and make sure to bring some 32M with ya :D :p:
By googling, I found one e-tailer here in US, that carries Team Group's UTT-BH5 kits (PC3200 for $135 and PC4000 for $177) - Computer Giants (http://www.computergiants.com/items/part_number.asp?part=team+1GB+TXDR1024M&go.x=0&go.y=0). No idea about their reputation, though...
NP....just waiting so I can plug in my autocascade, but this load of laundry has to dry first...lol :D
AFAIK, this memory and for that matter ALL TEAM memory hasn't been officially released in the U.S. When it does, there should be TWO major e-tailers carrying the brand and computergiants isn't one of them :confused:

[Cpt Twitchy]

My predictions

ddr500 3.2v
ddr560 but I'm not sure on volts. Maybe 3.7v
ddr574 max bench stable at hmmm 3.85v

BTW YGPM

Tim

EDIT they don't have a very good rating at reseller ratings http://www.resellerratings.com/seller_info.pl?seller_id=2891

[gigi77]

go up

:D

[Coroner Kyle]

Is your laundry dry yet? :D

I really want some BH-5. :yepp:

[s7e9h3n]

Is your laundry dry yet? :D

I really want some BH-5. :yepp:
Hehehe...it's been dry for a few hours....I had to take care of a few other things, but I'll post a few results soon. I just need to wait till this 32m finishes.....

[s7e9h3n]

OK sorry for the delay, but I had to re-install windows because I had corrupted my OS when I was trying to set up my bench drive for 3dMark :rolleyes: Here are my initial results from the Team 2x512MB PC4000 BH5....

First the Vital Stats:
TEAM XTREEM 2x512 DUAL CHANNEL PC4000 BH5
CABCE 0512MPMW FX57
DFI Ultra-D Rev. AD0
PC Power and Cooling 510 SLI
Autocascade cooled

All Vmem voltages listed represent what was set in bios and not read through any monitoring IC's......

DDR500, 3.2Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2501m.jpg

DDR500, 3.2Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2508m.jpg

DDR500, 3.2Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x25032m.jpg

[s7e9h3n]

Next up....255Mhz - No prob for these sticks ;)

DDR510, 3.2Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2551m.jpg

DDR510, 3.2Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2558m.jpg

DDR510, 3.2Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x25532m.jpg

[Lastviking]

lol i see a funy thing the sticks are made before the ic on the sticks was made. If you look in i cpuz SPD.

[s7e9h3n]

Now this is where I spent a majority of my night tweaking. I went literally every tweak I knew of to try to get a bench done at 260mhz @ 3.2Vmem, but absolutely nothing came out of it :rolleyes: I was, however, able to complete the set of 260Mhz runs at a lower Vmem than I have ever seen done at this memory speed:

DDR520, 3.3Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2601m.jpg

DDR520, 3.3Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2608m.jpg

DDR520, 3.3Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x26032m.jpg

That's all I've got for tonight. On a side note: I've run my autocascade for about 5 hours straight and it's not even hiccupped. Notice the increased vcores have absolutely no affect on the core temps of the cpu - which is a great testament to how much capacity this unit really has......I'll push these sticks some more tomorrow and try to get some 3d runs in with them as well (and hopefully at the same time take down the x850xtpe top mark in 3d01 ;) )

[s7e9h3n]

lol i see a funy thing the sticks are made before the ic on the sticks was made. If you look in i cpuz SPD.
I think that the spd on the Kingston Bh5's were the same way, right?

[Lastviking]

One more thing i hope you test them with 3.4,3.5,3.6v also.

[loc.o]

Same pcb on my pc3200(brainpower) but my sticks are 0548T, i think xtreem test all sticks and take out the best and rate them pc4000.

Thats me thought. Got a pair of PC3200 that needs at least 3.33v to finish 1M at 250, for 260 it needs 3.60v. Mine are 0601. If they started binning up for PC4000 in week 51 already i guess Giorgioprimo (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85673&highlight=teamgroup) got lucky with his week 52 PC3200 sticks that do up to 28x...

[s7e9h3n]

One more thing i hope you test them with 3.4,3.5,3.6v also.
No need to hope, these sticks are going to get the full 3.6+V treatment as soon as I figure out their timings. ;)

Thats me thought. Got a pair of PC3200 that needs at least 3.33v to finish 1M at 250, for 260 it needs 3.60v. Mine are 0601. If they started binning up for PC4000 in week 51 already i guess Giorgioprimo got lucky with his week 52 PC3200 sticks that do up to 28x...
No offense to Giorgioprimo, but in his tests, his sticks were running relatively loose timings. You really can't compare the results. He did, however, tighten his timings @ 272Mhz IIRC but it took 3.91V to get that stable. If these sticks continue to scale like they are, I'm hoping to be able to reach 270Mhz benchable @ ~3.55V Max. I guess we'll just have to wait and see....Also note that there is a subtle difference in the part numbers from Giorgioprimo, LastViking, and your sticks of the PC3200 flavor. I don't know if it was done on purpose or not, but they're definately not the same as these sticks ;)

[gigi77]

it'a hand picked IC!

This Reviews is for DEMO, capability this IC

average i Think 270mhz 3.6v 2.2.2.5:)

[loc.o]

No offense to Giorgioprimo, but in his tests, his sticks were running relatively loose timings. You really can't compare the results.

Agree but mine arent that tight either.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/TG250spi1Msmall.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/TG260spi1Msmall.jpg

Also note that there is a subtle difference in the part numbers from Giorgioprimo, LastViking, and your sticks of the PC3200 flavor. I don't know if it was done on purpose or not, but they're definately not the same as these sticks ;)

What differene are you reffering to?

yours: 200500115880
giorgio: 200500115975
mine: 200500116019

[s7e9h3n]

it'a hand picked IC!

This Reviews is for DEMO, capability this IC

average i Think 270mhz 3.6v 2.2.2.5:)
Hmmm, I think that all the PC4000 BH5 is handpicked though. Otherwise there wouldn't be any logical reason why there are known PC3200 sticks that have production dates both before and after these sticks. That would suggest (as LV and loco both have stated already) that TEAM is binning these PC4000 sticks from the current PC3200 stock.......

[s7e9h3n]

What differene are you reffering to?

yours: 200500115880
giorgio: 200500115975
mine: 200500116019
Hehehe...not the Serial Number.....the P/N or Part Number.....hint: It's on the other sticker :D BTW, your timings definately can't be considered as "loose." They look pretty good to me :toast:

[loc.o]

Me bad, didnt look that wel first time. Wonder what that H stands for, deff not High i guess :D

[s7e9h3n]

Wonder what thet H means, deff not high i guess :D
Maybe it does mean High.............er Volts Required. lol.....

[Lastviking]

s7e9h3n:

You are slow in the testing :rolleyes: , we want to see more :) , i found some thing diffrent in SPD thing from my and yours sticks. I got Part Number: A and yours are P

[metro.cl]

test them up 260 aint impresive for me.

i'll try to get one of this, but is hard to buy them from Chile. Maybe i can get some to review for our site i'll try to contact team group :)

[s7e9h3n]

s7e9h3n:

You are slow in the testing :rolleyes: , we want to see more :) , i found some thing diffrent in SPD thing from my and yours sticks. I got Part Number: A and yours are P
Hey...a person needs to sleep at least a little :stick: - I only got 2 or 3 hours of sleep before I woke up again this morning and am about to flip the "on" switch on my autocascade as we speak......

[eviLRuLeZ]

waiting for your results :D

[s7e9h3n]

test them up 260 aint impresive for me.

i'll try to get one of this, but is hard to buy them from Chile. Maybe i can get some to review for our site i'll try to contact team group :)
Ok, maybe I'm taking this a little slow. I just thought that others would like to see how the chips clock in increments. Personally if I wasn't reviewing these sticks, I'd try for 270mhz out of the box. So maybe I'll try a larger jump today.....;)

[eviLRuLeZ]

I think you will reach 260-265 without any problems..
Also, are you sure that they're rated DDR500 @ 3.3v ? (I mean constructor certification)

thanks and a have a nice moment playing with this memory ;)

[Cpt Twitchy]

Ok, maybe I'm taking this a little slow. I just thought that others would like to see how the chips clock in increments. Personally if I wasn't reviewing these sticks, I'd try for 270mhz out of the box. So maybe I'll try a larger jump today.....;)
I actually like how you are going in increments. Showing what ram can do at a mere 3.2v is really impressive to me as thats a reasonably safe 24/7 voltage for bh5. I also just want to let others know to be patient. I alreay now what these sticks are capable of and trust me, its worth the wait.

[bachus_anonym]

It looks like a nice pair of UTT-BH5 you got there, Steven :toast: I'm not too sure If it's so good to pass 32M @ 270MHz, 3.55v and those timmings, though... That would take some kit :D

Let's see If your kit can match OPB's one ;)

[s7e9h3n]

I actually like how you are going in increments. Showing what ram can do at a mere 3.2v is really impressive to me as thats a reasonably safe 24/7 voltage for bh5. I also just want to let others know to be patient. I alreay now what these sticks are capable of and trust me, its worth the wait.
Sorry for the wait everyone, it's taken me awhile to figure out this kit. The main issue was my non-experience with UTT IC's. Contrary to my initial expectations, I've come to find that UTT BH5's don't share identical characteristics of timings and values as original BH5's. It took me quite some time to narrow down what was causing my errors, but I think I've got it now and finally am getting a semblance of consistency in the runs. Hopefully I'll have some results to show relatively soon........

And @ DogsX2: Maybe ;)

[s7e9h3n]

It looks like a nice pair of UTT-BH5 you got there, Steven :toast: I'm not too sure If it's so good to pass 32M @ 270MHz, 3.55v and those timmings, though... That would take some kit :D

Let's see If your kit can match OPB's one ;)
What did it take for his kit to do 270?

[bachus_anonym]

What did it take for his kit to do 270?I have not seen 270MHz, but he has a screenshot of 277MHz 32M @ 3.7v (MBM) (http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/ddr550piset/32m.jpg). It's the best result in BH-5/UTT sticky. Pretty impressive kit, I have to admit :)

[G3n3R@1]

looks like some very nice chips indeed

[s7e9h3n]

I have not seen 270MHz, but he has a screenshot of 277MHz 32M @ 3.7v (MBM) (http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/ddr550piset/32m.jpg). It's the best result in BH-5/UTT sticky. Pretty impressive kit, I have to admit :)
Wow...that is quite a serious run...but what I'm curious about is why his 32m time is so "high" @ that speed. Compare my run above @ 13x260 (yes I know I'm running ~50mhz faster), but I would think his time @ 277FSB should at least destroy my result. Makes you wonder how advantageous is it to slack your timings soley to run @ a higher FSB. Personally, I'd rather pump the sticks with as much voltage as they'll take and run tight timings than reduce timings to run a high FSB......:p:

[bachus_anonym]

...but what I'm curious about is why his 32m time is so "high" @ that speed. Compare my run above @ 13x260 (yes I know I'm running ~50mhz faster), but I would think his time @ 277FSB should at least destroy my result.Nah, I think OPB's result is about right... This is the ABSOLUTE MAX I managed (http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/screens/Opteron146/2x512UTT/0508057002740_0508057002795_1st/270MHz.png) to run 32M at with UTT-BH5 kit I have here. At this pace, every 1MHz on RAM and 10MHz on CPU gives me about 4s. So, If I was able to run his 277MHz (which I'm not) then we would both have about same time... But I'm pretty sure, that in order to run at around 270MHz you will have to loosen TRFC a bit: 13 or 14... Not that it really matters for performance, but just makes it more stable, I think...

Carry on, Steven... :)

[s7e9h3n]

Nah, I think OPB's result is about right... This is the ABSOLUTE MAX I managed (http://www.clockmehigh.com/cooler/screens/Opteron146/2x512UTT/0508057002740_0508057002795_1st/270MHz.png) to run 32M at with UTT-BH5 kit I have here. At this pace, every 1MHz on RAM and 10MHz on CPU gives me about 4s. So, If I was able to run his 277MHz (which I'm not) then we would both have about same time... But I'm pretty sure, that in order to run at around 270MHz you will have to loosen TRFC a bit: 13 or 14... Not that it really matters for performance, but just makes it more stable, I think...

Carry on, Steven... :)
Hehehe...that's one of the main differences I've found between old BH5's and this new UTT stuff. It seems as you push the speed with these sticks, you in turn have to run a looser TRFC. With old BH5's that wasn't necessary:
Old Skool Twinmos BH5's.....
EDIT: IMAGESHACK SUX SO I TOOK THE PICTURE OUT

[coop]

Thanks for taking the time s7e9h3n to show us these and piont out differences. Alot of demos of their various products but no availability for a large customer base. Any word of that possibility here in states? "Yes, I know this just not really good for that However, here is what their PM told me:

"We are now doing our best to fix this situation, we are new but we only have the best QA procedure for customer; we will have retailer start carrying our products next week certainly at computergiants.com; we appreciate your warm concern.

Happy luna year."
That was from last week. Still waiting, anxiously.

[shuRe]

ddr520 w/ 3.3vdimm, thats nice, it should scream with 3.7 through it, what about some preliminary results without timings tweaked...

[eviLRuLeZ]

Thanks for taking the time s7e9h3n to show us these and piont out differences. Alot of demos of their various products but no availability for a large customer base. Any word of that possibility here in states? "Yes, I know this just not really good for that However, here is what their PM told me:

"We are now doing our best to fix this situation, we are new but we only have the best QA procedure for customer; we will have retailer start carrying our products next week certainly at computergiants.com; we appreciate your warm concern.

Happy luna year."
That was from last week. Still waiting, anxiously.

it's the china new year and vacancy, that's why they didn't answer you ;)

[s7e9h3n]

ddr520 w/ 3.3vdimm, thats nice, it should scream with 3.7 through it, what about some preliminary results without timings tweaked...
Not sure what you mean by "results without timings tweaked" Isn't the whole point of this exercise to tweak the timings as much as possible to get a decent score? :p:
In all honesty, I could have spent much more time playing with timings if I wanted to get a lower times, but at this point, I'm starting to feel a little burnt out from staring at the monitor for hours on end.....Here's the last few results for today - I really need to take a nap :D These runs were a little more difficult to figure out than the first few since we're getting to the speeds where MOST BH5 tops out. What still impresses me about these sticks is the fact that they're able to do run these speeds @ voltages comparable to some of the best sticks of Bh5 I've ever seen. Please - before you decide to proclaim that you have sticks that can run tighter timings @ lower voltages - take a good look at the timings actually being run and ask yourself if you really can duplicate those settings/speeds @ that Vmem......;)

DDR530, 3.4 +.03Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2651m.jpg

DDR530, 3.5Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2658m.jpg

DDR530, 3.5Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x26532m.jpg

[s7e9h3n]

It looks like a nice pair of UTT-BH5 you got there, Steven :toast: I'm not too sure If it's so good to pass 32M @ 270MHz, 3.55v and those timmings, though... That would take some kit :D

Let's see If your kit can match OPB's one ;)

I never said 32m stable @ 270mhz, 3.55V :p: I just said "benchable" :D ..(Don't mind the vcore because I was actually trying something else beforehand and was just too lazy to reset)

DDR540, 3.5 +.03 Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2701m-.jpg


That wraps up the screens for today as my eyes feel like they're going to fall out of my face atm. For comparison's sake, here's a couple of my past screenshots using the same cpu with my 2x512mb Twinmos old school BH5:

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5158/13x2651m5ex.th.jpg (http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13x2651m5ex.jpg)

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1149/13x2701m7lc.th.jpg (http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13x2701m7lc.jpg)

[Onepagebook]

well , nice job,
BUT I think 3.68 v can easily do 275..
figure out the problem first dude;)

don't copy michael's over-voltage type,
\that's just kill your PSU, ram and cpu gradually
you guys can never trust , but whenever all your components die
just don't cry for hunger.:D

[Cpt Twitchy]

well , nice job,
BUT I think 3.68 v can easily do 275..
figure out the problem first dude;)

don't copy michael's over-voltage type,
\that's just kill your PSU, ram and cpu gradually
you guys can never trust , but whenever all your components die
just don't cry for hunger.:D
Hello Master OnePageBook:toast:

Thanks for tips on how to kill everything. I will be sure not to follow them:D

[Lastviking]

hmmmmmm..

[bachus_anonym]

don't copy michael's over-voltage type,
\that's just kill your PSU, ram and cpu gradually
you guys can never trust , but whenever all your components die
just don't cry for hunger.:DGee, why is everybody looking at my 12v rail reading in MBM? :lol: It's actually only 12.80v and running for 1yr now, since I have this board. Nothing to get excited about :slap: :) But yeah, don't copy it, thank you very much :cool:

DDR530, 3.5Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x26532m.jpgThat's a nice sight, Steven :) Great kit! High vdimm is soooo last year, isn't it? :ROTF:

[freecableguy]

i want

what's really amazing is the ability to get better times with "looser" timings. impressive...

[s7e9h3n]

Gee, why is everybody looking at my 12v rail reading in MBM? :lol: It's actually only 12.80v and running for 1yr now, since I have this board. Nothing to get excited about :slap: :) But yeah, don't copy it, thank you very much :cool:
I still think the best one was the screenshot you sent me of a 32m you completed and the 12v was reading 13V IN WINDOWS :eek: :toast:

[s7e9h3n]

what's really amazing is the ability to get better times with "looser" timings. impressive...
The correct term isn't "looser", it's "more stable" timings :D

[Lastviking]

Hehe...I said .02 on the Rev.D, not .2 :p: Clean out your PM box ;)

Thx for the info , hmm yeah but the both boards that i have tested(AB0 with same layout like AD0) are more like 3.64 in mbm and 3.7v when i use a multimeter. Its are about 3.66v in bios when its are 3.64 in mbm

[EnJoY]

Gee, why is everybody looking at my 12v rail reading in MBM? :lol: It's actually only 12.80v and running for 1yr now, since I have this board. Nothing to get excited about :slap: :) But yeah, don't copy it, thank you very much :cool:

I ran the 12v rail on my old ocz 520w at 12.85 24/7 with my dfi nf3 for around 8 months without a single issue.

@s7e9h3n: the lvl2 black bh5 I sold last month did 260 w/ 3.3v at tighter timings than your utt there.

(edit: speaking of low latencies, look at my post count...hahaha)

[s7e9h3n]

I ran the 12v rail on my old ocz 520w at 12.85 24/7 with my dfi nf3 for around 8 months without a single issue.

@s7e9h3n: the lvl2 black bh5 I sold last month did 260 w/ 3.3v at tighter timings than your utt there.

(edit: speaking of low latencies, look at my post count...hahaha)
Dunno if you caught the fact that FCG picked up on....tighter timings are not always faster, especially in Spi. Click on one of the thumbnails I posted. That last one is my TwinMos Old BH5's @ 270 with TIGHT timings. Notice it doesn't beat these sticks which are running "higher" latencies. I've tested this ram @ tighter timings, but ended up using "looser" values because they produced better results....;)

[EnJoY]

Dunno if you caught the fact that FCG picked up on....tighter timings are not always faster, especially in Spi. Click on one of the thumbnails I posted. That last one is my TwinMos Old BH5's @ 270 with TIGHT timings. Notice it doesn't beat these sticks which are running "higher" latencies. I've tested this ram @ tighter timings, but ended up using "looser" values because they produced better results....;)


I see that, but you had said in an earlier post that you doubted even old bh5 you had seen could do 260 with 3.3v or less. Atleast that's how I read it, although I know you've personally benched with bh5 that can do that or better.

Btw, did you see my post count when it was 2-2-2-5? Did ya? Huh? ;)

[s7e9h3n]

I see that, but you had said in an earlier post that you doubted even old bh5 you had seen could do 260 with 3.3v or less. Atleast that's how I read it, although I know you've personally benched with bh5 that can do that or better.

Btw, did you see my post count when it was 2-2-2-5? Did ya? Huh? ;)
IIRC, I mentioned that I'd never seen a pair of BH5's be able to finish a 32m run @ 260mhz, 3.3V. If yours could do that, that's quite impressive.....Better is all relative since you have to factor in all the variables such as cpu, mobo, psu, etc......;)
Yes, I did see your post count and your latencies just got a little worse :p: I'm shooting for Ballistix timings myself......

[EnJoY]

IIRC, I mentioned that I'd never seen a pair of BH5's be able to finish a 32m run @ 260mhz, 3.3V. If yours could do that, that's quite impressive.....Better is all relative since you have to factor in all the variables such as cpu, mobo, psu, etc......;)
Yes, I did see your post count and your latencies just got a little worse :p: I'm shooting for Ballistix timings myself......


Haha, yea, I'll be at CH5 in no time...might take me a few months for Ballistix. :p:

[bachus_anonym]

How does your Ultra-D "overvolt" on vdimm, Steven? Did you whip out DMM to check that? I got 260MHz screenie here, @ 3.55v (MBM) but DMM @ 3.59v... Not that it's really important for this thread, but just wondering... :toast:

[s7e9h3n]

How does your Ultra-D "overvolt" on vdimm, Steven? Did you whip out DMM to check that? I got 260MHz screenie here, @ 3.55v (MBM) but DMM @ 3.59v... Not that it's really important for this thread, but just wondering... :toast:
I'll check it out when I conjure up enough energy to have another session with this RAM, but with my prior 10 or so DFI's, the bios readings were almost dead on with actual multi-meter measurements. Out of all of my past boards, this particular Rev. D board shows the least amount of variance between the bios readings and MBM's (~.02) I'll try to remember to test it out next time I boot up......

[Cpt Twitchy]

Dang it s7e9h3n with all these results and the 0550UPMW thread you huys are really making me want some new gear. Especially considering I killed my gfx. Hopefully my bros solder skills are up to snuf(hes better at it then me). I think I am going to have to go get a job.

[Lastviking]

I'll check it out when I conjure up enough energy to have another session with this RAM, but with my prior 10 or so DFI's, the bios readings were almost dead on with actual multi-meter measurements. Out of all of my past boards, this particular Rev. D board shows the least amount of variance between the bios readings and MBM's (~.02) I'll try to remember to test it out next time I boot up......

Yeah the readings are to low on the Dfi lanparty nf4 boards, 3.54v are like 3.6 real voltage.

[s7e9h3n]

Yeah the readings are to low on the Dfi lanparty nf4 boards, 3.54v are like 3.6 real voltage.
Hehe...I said .02 on the Rev.D, not .2 :p: Clean out your PM box ;)

[Lastviking]

Hehe...I said .02 on the Rev.D, not .2 :p: Clean out your PM box ;)


Any tests with 3.6, 3.7v yet?

And thx for the info(Inbox) , hmm yeah but the both boards that i have tested(AB0 with same layout like AD0) are more like 3.64 in mbm and 3.7v when i use a multimeter. Its are about 3.66v in bios when its are 3.64 in mbm

[metro.cl]

come on mate, i'm waiting your at least 270 2-2-2-5 results to hit the buy button :)

[s7e9h3n]

come on mate, i'm waiting your at least 270 2-2-2-5 results to hit the buy button :)
Lol...look up and you'll see 270 in action....I'll try to get some more runs in tonight....btw, I did a little "side test" last night with the sticks and can verify that they pass 1m with ease @ 275mhz......

[freecableguy]

steven, care to share with the class when you expect these to be available to all?? :)

[Cpt Twitchy]

steven, care to share with the class when you expect these to be available to all?? :)
Already here and I believe link was already posted in this thread. http://www.computergiants.com/items/mfgr_dd1.asp?catid=52&mfgrid=539

EDIT Yep it was. Check post #8

[s7e9h3n]

steven, care to share with the class when you expect these to be available to all?? :)
Lol...I don't know - but I've been told that the PC4000 series will be released in the USA before anywhere else....;)

[s7e9h3n]

Already here and I believe link was already posted in this thread. http://www.computergiants.com/items/mfgr_dd1.asp?catid=52&mfgrid=539

EDIT Yep it was. Check post #8
I need to find out what the deal is with this e-tailer since I was under the assumption that TEAM hasn't officially launched their US campaign yet.....:confused:

[Cpt Twitchy]

I need to find out what the deal is with this e-tailer since I was under the assumption that TEAM hasn't officially launched their US campaign yet.....:confused:
Thats what OC LIN told me from Team Group's forum told me. He is one of their Mod's http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/index.php?showtopic=95

Sorry I do not know many details on the topic.

Tim

[s7e9h3n]

Thats what OC LIN told me from Team Group's forum told me. He is one of their Mod's http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/index.php?showtopic=95

Sorry I do not know many details on the topic.

Tim
I was told that Team memory was to be debuted at 2 MAJOR e-tailers and Computergiants wasn't one of them :p:

[Cpt Twitchy]

I was told that Team memory was to be debuted at 2 MAJOR e-tailers and Computergiants wasn't one of them :p:
I'm not sure what the deal is. It suprises me especially considering that they CG is not even a major e-tailer.

Tim

[metro.cl]

this us store suck big time i couldn't buy the ram :(

[coop]

Any ideas as to which may have the most oc potiential, 3200 or 4000 ? If the4000's are selected ic's are they close to top of oc ability?

[Onepagebook]

Gee, why is everybody looking at my 12v rail reading in MBM? :lol: It's actually only 12.80v and running for 1yr now, since I have this board. Nothing to get excited about :slap: :) But yeah, don't copy it, thank you very much :cool:

That's a nice sight, Steven :) Great kit! High vdimm is soooo last year, isn't it? :ROTF:


mike...just/k...relax:D

[Cpt Twitchy]

mike...just/k...relax:D
Sorry for OT but Kev YGPM

[s7e9h3n]

Any ideas as to which may have the most oc potiential, 3200 or 4000 ? If the4000's are selected ic's are they close to top of oc ability?
From what I've seen from various fellow forum members who have the 3200's, the 4000's definately should be better than the 3200's. AFAIK the 4000's are all handpicked sticks which perform at top-notch levels. Think of along the lines of how Mushkin built their PC3500 Lvl2 Black Line - those sticks were orginally binned as PC3200 Lvl2 Blacks and only the cream-of-the-crop ended up in the 3500 line. Some of them, though, slipped through the cracks and remained in the PC3200 line and those sticks were just as good, if not better, than their PC3500 counterparts.......

[s7e9h3n]

Sorry for OT but Kev YGPM
NP....just make sure you tell him he needs to pick up the phone every once in awhile when someone calls him :rolleyes:

[Cpt Twitchy]

NP....just make sure you tell him he needs to pick up the phone every once in awhile when someone calls him :rolleyes:
too late hehe, already sent. I have a really good feeling he is just really busy right now and not ignoring us.

Tim

[s7e9h3n]

too late hehe, already sent. I have a really good feeling he is just really busy right now and not ignoring us.

Tim
LOL...OPB is ALWAYS BUSY.....If you're reading this Kev, you need to get in touch with me ASAP.....

[Lastviking]

Any ideas as to which may have the most oc potiential, 3200 or 4000 ? If the4000's are selected ic's are they close to top of oc ability?

The pc3200 sticks are the junk that not passed 250mhz 3.3v the anothers will be pc4000 :fact: , tested 2kits now with pc3200 and they are not good. Maybe i have wrong but i dont think so.

[s7e9h3n]

The pc3200 sticks are the junk that not passed 250mhz 3.3v the anothers will be pc4000 :fact: , tested 2kits now with pc3200 and they are not good. Maybe i have wrong but i dont think so.
You get my PM?

[dogsx2]

I ordered a set of 4000's from Computergiants. Will post back
1) if I get them
2) how they clock

Who knows when the big boys will get them.

[loc.o]

Ordering a PC4000 kit as wel to see if thats makes a difference...

[s7e9h3n]

Ok all, there seems to be a bit of confusion about the availability of these particular sticks. TBH, I'm starting to get as confused as everyone else here is. I spoke with someone from TEAM earlier today and I was told that these kits ARE NOT currently available at ANY retail outlet at the moment. They are supposedly slated for release in two weeks at the earliest. I'm not sure how Computergiants claims they have these in stock as they have not officially been launched. My sticks are marked with PC3200 speed ratings since the retail versions are basically hand-picked from the current PC3200 supply. If you notice though, these sticks do not share the same SPD values as the current 3200's which are available. I'm still working on getting a solid answer from someone and will definately post my findings as soon as I can. Now in regards to this preview - I seem to have run into a little problem in terms of being able to push this ram to it's limits. More on this in a bit....first here are a couple of updated results from the sticks:

DDR540, 3.6Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2708m.jpg

DDR540, 3.6Vmem, Spi32m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x27032m%21.jpg

To be totally honest, these sticks could have run tighter at this speed than I set them at and possibly less voltage as they breezed through these tests without a hiccup. These two benches were somewhat of a rush job as I didn't have too much time to pull them off. I was planning on running a full set of Spi's @ 275 as well, but this is where I've run into the problem. It looks as if I've run into the cold-bug on my FX57 @ these temps/voltages. I basically hit a brick wall @ 272FSB, -45C core. Now there's ways to still test the memory...for example I can install a cold-plate between my evaporator and cpu to "raise" my temps ~4C. I can also run a divider which "upclocks" my memory to speeds greater than my FSB. I'm still debating which may be the better option. I also have a cpu coming to me VERY soon which I believe may have one of the strongest memory controllers we've ever seen on a San Diego core and it should be able to run these speeds without issue. I'll try to update everyone a little later, but I've got to take care of a few things right now.......

[coop]

Check your pm

[s7e9h3n]

Check your pm
Got it coop...thanks....I'll try to get to the bottom of all this a little later.......

[s7e9h3n]

Check your pm
BTW, coop, put me back on top @ the 32m challenge :p:

[Cpt Twitchy]

Sick looking reults there s7e9h3n:woot:

YGPM

[coop]

BTW, coop, put me back on top @ the 32m challenge :p:
Indeed, done, nice time. Don't forget to post - http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77530&page=5&highlight=32m+challenge

[bachus_anonym]

32M @ 270MHz 3.6v is great! Good stuff, Steven :up: Drop multi or better yet, load multiprocessor driver... DDR550 would make it a truly awesome but probably rare pair :p: :toast: If "easy" 270MHz will be just about an average for this PC4000 part, then sign me up for one :D

[loc.o]

Ok all, there seems to be a bit of confusion about the availability of these particular sticks. TBH, I'm starting to get as confused as everyone else here is. I spoke with someone from TEAM earlier today and I was told that these kits ARE NOT currently available at ANY retail outlet at the moment. They are supposedly slated for release in two weeks at the earliest. I'm not sure how Computergiants claims they have these in stock as they have not officially been launched.

I emailed an EU retailer yesterday and they told me they should have the PC4000 flavor in stock within 2 or 3 days from now. Well see about that though...

[Twin]

I emailed an EU retailer yesterday and they told me they should have the PC4000 flavor in stock within 2 or 3 days from now. Well see about that though...

Oh, what retailer?
I live in Sweden and very interrested about the sticks. Hopefully they are available here.
Might suit well with the current project. (Read SigURL).

[DesertShooter]

Ordered TeamGroup 2x512MB PC4000 BH-5 @ overclockers.de :banana:

Hope to get them soon :)

[Twin]

Those aren't in stock and they are using the same pic for the PC3200.
Make sure you get the right stuff, and please inform us when you do. I wanna order a few myself.

[s7e9h3n]

I forgot I had this screenie saved in my folder from the other day- I'm still trying to figure out how to duplicate it.

DDR550, Vmem 3.7Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2751m.jpg

[ozzimark]

I forgot I had this screenie saved in my folder from the other day- I'm still trying to figure out how to duplicate it.
turn up the heat? :D

i vote use a cold-plate until the new cpu arrives. you've got a ways till you hit the limit of that 57, don't you? ;)

[s7e9h3n]

Well, it seems as if I wasn't using enough Vcore on my cpu. I threw in another 0512 (thx FCG) and found that it took a lot more vcore to be running these HTT's stable. I've got a couple more results, but I really don't think I want to push the Vmem any further since it IS, of course, UTT :p:

DDR550, 3.7+.03Vmem, Spi8m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2758m.jpg


For the life of me, I couldn't get 32m to even come CLOSE to completing. It probably has a little to do with the fact that I REFUSE to run sloppy timings. Basically, this is about as loose as you'll ever see me run LL memory:

DDR560, 3.8Vmem, Spi1m
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x2801m.jpg

Here's the obligatory screenie @ 3.8Vmem :p: :
http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/TEAM%20BH5/13x287Valid.jpg

This just about wraps up my preview of these sticks. I may try a few more runs when I get a very special cpu in on Tuesday or so. But all in all, these sticks performed better than I could have possibly imagined. Although they may be a couple of weeks away from release, they definately seem to be worth the wait......

[TheMeatFrog]

I ordered a set of 4000's from Computergiants. Will post back
1) if I get them
2) how they clock

Who knows when the big boys will get them.
What's the status on your order?

Very nice memory stephen, wouldn't mind having a set like that. ;)

[dinos22]

that's good RAM steven

[s7e9h3n]

Thx guys....the memory's capable of benching even higher, but I'm not gonna try any more voltage, at least for the time being....;)

[dinos22]

would the memory controller perform any different under different cooling.....if all stable...............................hmmm let me rephrase that.......could you repeat those results (RAM MHz) on air with lower multiplier of course

[s7e9h3n]

would the memory controller perform any different under different cooling.....if all stable...............................hmmm let me rephrase that.......could you repeat those results (RAM MHz) on air with lower multiplier of course
If anything, the memory controller would perform better on air @ a lower multiplier ;)

[dinos22]

If anything, the memory controller would perform better on air @ a lower multiplier ;)
so what are you waiting for :D

[s7e9h3n]

so what are you waiting for :D
Another board and FX57 since I generally don't like to run on air with my mobo fully insulated :p: I may pull the expert out and test to see if it's "healed" itself, also - I've got to test a board I'm sending Ozzimark - so maybe.........

[dogsx2]

:clap: Good job, hope the ones I get can do as good. Were they getting very hot at 3.8? What active cooling were you using on them?

TMF, I am going to call them tomorrow and see if they know anymore.

[bachus_anonym]

Thanks for sharing your results, Steven :toast: Looks good :up:

[s7e9h3n]

:clap: Good job, hope the ones I get can do as good. Were they getting very hot at 3.8? What active cooling were you using on them?

TMF, I am going to call them tomorrow and see if they know anymore.
Running a Sanyo Denkei 120x38mm fan on top of them. Basically, the ram @ 3.8 was barely warm to the touch. It may have a little to do with my autocascade, but generally speaking, these sticks were running cooler than my Twinmos Old Bh5's @ 3.7V....

[[XC] moddolicous]

Were the sticks burnt in, or were these straight out? I think that there is definetly enough left to get 285 benchable.

[s7e9h3n]

Were the sticks burnt in, or were these straight out? I think that there is definetly enough left to get 285 benchable.
They came only tested for binning purposes.....

[uwackme]

Seems like good ram..... now.... try 4x 512M sticks and let us know :fact:

[s7e9h3n]

Seems like good ram..... now.... try 4x 512M sticks and let us know :fact:
Hmmm...haven't really thought about trying this...maybe I will. Well, I'm pretty confident when I say that 4x512 won't do 280 2-2-2-5 1t :p:

[Fhqwhgads6680]

So when do these hit U.S. e-tailers? I NEED ram as I sold my crappy geil and need a new set of good ram. Quick question, Would you go for a set of these or a set of old school lvl 2 blacks? I never had a chance to run the old bh-5 so im not sure how they compare, but I know they sell for a crap load.

thanks

[DesertShooter]

Here are my results (25C room temp :( )

TeamGroup PC-4000 2x512MB UTT BH-5 From overclockers.de

The kit: :D

http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0552.jpg
http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0556.jpg
http://desertshooter.nl/IMGA0558.jpg

The results:

3,2v, DDR500, S-Pi 1M, 10x250

http://desertshooter.nl/3,2TG
250klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,2TG250.png)


3,29v, DDR516, S-Pi 1M, 10x258

http://desertshooter.nl/3,29TG258klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,29TG258.png)


3,37v, DDR523, S-Pi 1M, 10x261

http://desertshooter.nl/3,39TG262klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,39TG262.png)


3,49v, DDR530, S-Pi 1M, 10x265

http://desertshooter.nl/3,49TG265klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,49TG265.png)


3,56v, DDR534 S-Pi 1M, 10x267

http://desertshooter.nl/3,56TG267klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,56TG267.png)


3,75v, DDR554 S-Pi 1M, 10x277

http://desertshooter.nl/3,75TG277klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,75TG277.png)


3,63v, DDR545 S-Pi 32M, 10x272

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/32M273.png)


3,75v, DDR560 Hexus PiFast, 10x280 :D

http://desertshooter.nl/3,8TG280pfklein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/3,8TG280pf.png)

[s7e9h3n]

So when do these hit U.S. e-tailers? I NEED ram as I sold my crappy geil and need a new set of good ram. Quick question, Would you go for a set of these or a set of old school lvl 2 blacks? I never had a chance to run the old bh-5 so im not sure how they compare, but I know they sell for a crap load.

thanks
It all depends - IMO, PROVEN old school, high-clocking lvl2 blacks are almost priceless. But these sticks seem to be a nice buy. Ultimately it's a decision to be made by the buyer ;)

@ Desert Shooter: Nice Results! Now please tell everyone now that my results weren't from "cherry-picked" sticks :D

[Spyrus]

@DesertShooter
Please post A64 Tweaker screen.
Very nice results indeed.
Dram Cooling?
Opened case?

[DesertShooter]

@DesertShooter
Please post A64 Tweaker screen.
Very nice results indeed.
Dram Cooling?
Opened case?

http://desertshooter.nl/a64TG.png

120MM fan, opened case, but it doesn't help much. It's just blowing hot air to the ram :p:

[metro.cl]

i still cant get any of these, any news steven?? i got harry on msn but havent got any news from him either

[G H Z]

The TeamGroup sales office in Cali says they will have some to ship by the end of next week. Shipping is free, so $177 total for the kit.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:D Nice sticks:clap: - but I decided to go with this one :

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27032M.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...272Memtest.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27632M.jpg

Coming soon:banana: .........., thanks a lot Jonathan !!!;)

:toast:

[DesertShooter]

Done at 3,57v, see those timings :D

Tras and Trrd @ 0 made no difference
http://desertshooter.nl/25.594klein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/25.594.png)

[s7e9h3n]

The TeamGroup sales office in Cali says they will have some to ship by the end of next week. Shipping is free, so $177 total for the kit.
These are the guys who will have them first :up: BTW, I believe their website is www.asatek.com .....;)

@HCC: Hmmmmm....interesting sticks!!!:p:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

FIX YOUR LINK :slap: :D

[Lastviking]

These are the guys who will have them first :up: BTW, I believe their website is www.asatek.com .....;)

@HCC: Hmmmmm....interesting sticks!!!:p:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...H-5/27232M.jpg

FIX YOUR LINK :slap: :D

"This domain name expired on 01/19/2006 and is pending renewal or deletion"

:s wrong link?

[Twin]

I really want those in europe now,
I've ordered a pair of 1GB OCZ EL PL which I know clocks up to 300 pretty well, tho at 3-4-4-8, for gaming.
Need a pair of good benching sticks, and these certainly look good.
Aint the ones posted in the pic by DesertShooter exactly those you have reviewed? I see a pair DDR500 on the page he is refering too, but clicking the pick shows the older M400HC2 model. I hope they are just showing the wrong picture, because I wanna order a pair. DesertShooter, can you help out here?

[s e t h]

look around Teams forum.
you will find a couple of distributors who may have stock

http://www.teamgroup.com.tw/forums/index.php?showforum=1

[Lastviking]

I really want those in europe now,
I've ordered a pair of 1GB OCZ EL PL which I know clocks up to 300 pretty well, tho at 3-4-4-8, for gaming.
Need a pair of good benching sticks, and these certainly look good.
Aint the ones posted in the pic by DesertShooter exactly those you have reviewed? I see a pair DDR500 on the page he is refering too, but clicking the pick shows the older M400HC2 model. I hope they are just showing the wrong picture, because I wanna order a pair. DesertShooter, can you help out here?

Maybe i get some kits from u.s to sweden when they gets in stock in u.s. DesertShooter buyed them from the store you are thinking of but i think they got so few so they was sold out fast. Pm if you are intressted.

[Fhqwhgads6680]

I saw some sets on ebay... the 3200 tho not the 4000....

[Twin]

I found a swedish distributor and waiting for answers who they distribute too, and if they aren't trustworthy I'll take my shot with viking..

[s7e9h3n]

LastViking's a good guy....

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1007/ramextreem0032re.jpg

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/963/ramextreem0044vg.jpg

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

:toast:

[s7e9h3n]

:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

:toast:
Frank, that's not the same memory as this ;) Although my sticks were marked SIMILAR to yours (but not the same), the retail kits are rated PC4000......Yours are the PC3200 kits....

[DesertShooter]

273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SP.png)

[bachus_anonym]

@DesertShooter,

Nice results, but I just can't help asking why your 32M times are so bad... :( Don't get me wrong, on your both 32M runs you should have at least 1 minute better times... Also, can you run same clocks without disabling Dynamic Idle Timer? Thanks!

[G H Z]

US web site: http://www.teamresearchinc.com

e-mail: sales@teamresearchinc.com

[althes]

But they dont sell them on the website

[s e t h]

ddr500 bh-5 is not listed yet.
ddr400 bh-5 is listed as in stock at computergiants.com

don't expect newegg like service

http://www.computergiants.com/items/get_mfgr.asp?subcatid=808&catid=52&mfgrid=539&subsubcatid=2247

say thank you :cool:

[uOpt]

273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SP.png)

Is that PC3200 labeled or PC4000 labeled?

[althes]

thnak you

[G H Z]

But they dont sell them on the website

It's not on their site but they are the only US contact that is not a reseller, I have already been in touch with them.

[Lastviking]

Is that PC3200 labeled or PC4000 labeled?

PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.

[metro.cl]

PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.

:toast:

[s7e9h3n]

ddr500 bh-5 is not listed yet.
ddr400 bh-5 is listed as in stock at computergiants.com

don't expect newegg like service

http://www.computergiants.com/items/get_mfgr.asp?subcatid=808&catid=52&mfgrid=539&subsubcatid=2247

say thank you :cool:
I've been told that computergiants either has their pc4000 as a misprint/mistake, or they've listed the sticks prior to being allowed to sell them....:confused:

[s e t h]

the pc4000 is listed as out of stock and arriving in 1-2 days.
not that i believe them
i really wouldn't know

the link i provided is for the 400mhz parts
they do have a page for 500mhz parts too

here's a link to both.
anyone who has trouble by say pre-ordering the 500mhz parts has only themselves to blame if s7e9h3n's info is right
going by their reseller rating one is asking for trouble but patience and perseverence would make it worth it for those sticks at that price.

http://www.computergiants.com/items/mfgr_dd1.asp?mfgrid=539&catid=52

[DesertShooter]

@DesertShooter,

Nice results, but I just can't help asking why your 32M times are so bad... :( Don't get me wrong, on your both 32M runs you should have at least 1 minute better times... Also, can you run same clocks without disabling Dynamic Idle Timer? Thanks!

Thanks, i discovered that my times were very bad indeed... Mayb it's because the screensaver came in after 10min :stick: :P:

I Will try with enabled Dynamic Idle Timer.

[s7e9h3n]

Just in case you guys missed my other thread here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88700,
I ran this memory with my new little cpu :p: Here are some results:

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/Opty%20154/13x2751m.jpg

USING SAME VMEM AS ABOVE :eek: :

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/Opty%20154/13x2771m.jpg

A bit faster now:

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/Opty%20154/14x2701m.jpg

http://www.cryo-laboratory.com/upload/userfiles/s7e9h3n/Opty%20154/14x26832m.jpg

[DesertShooter]

Just in case you guys missed my other thread here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=88700,
I ran this memory with my new little cpu :p: Here are some results:



OMFG :slobber: THAT CPU SPEED!:eek:

AND MEM SPEED!

Very nice :D

[s7e9h3n]

OMGF :slobber: THAT CPU SPEED!:eek:

AND MEM SPEED! :P

Very nice :D
TYVM :cool: :toast:
(Thank You Very Much)

[s7e9h3n]

PC4000

Do not do any stupid and buy the pc3200 sticks they are the junk left that didnt make pc4000 speed.
Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )

[JasonDTM]

Any idea on how much the PC-3200 kit will cost, looks like a more viable option(to me) than the PC-4000 binned kits.

[s7e9h3n]

Any idea on how much the PC-3200 kit will cost, looks like a more viable option(to me) than the PC-4000 binned kits.
There's a guy on Ebay selling a few kits right now for ~$135 IIRC.......

[G H Z]

Nice clocks & times man :)

MLII won't run 7ns MAL on this Ultra-D.

[s7e9h3n]

Nice clocks & times man :)

MLII won't run 7ns MAL on this Ultra-D.
In terms of MAL, the sticks do play some part in the latency. But it's dependant moreso on your CPU and mobo....;)

[Lastviking]

Mine are labeled PC3200 :p: (and in reality, the PC3200's aren't that bad - they just LOOK bad when compared to these PC4000's :D )

I have tested 2 kits and they are bad..when i say bad i mean the stick have realy problems to make to 260mhz 2-2-2-5 with 3.3v-3.7v+

[loc.o]

These sticks behave weird indeed..... With me VX and level II i have no problem booting up to 3.90 vdimm, with the Teamgroup in it wont boot @ 3.8 or above... Ive ran both superpi 1M and pifast @ 265 vdimm 3,70v but memtest will fail pretty soon at anything over 255... I can bench me opteron up to around 3540 (150 divider = 253Mhz) as long as i use the VX or mushkin, with the teamgroup in i cannot make it over 3500 even with the slackiest timings, it wil bsod. I use them for the gaming rig now and they run 240 at 3.33v fine but for benching this aint gonna work im afraid.

[s e t h]

so that's the ddr500 xtreem loc.o? i saw another post of yours with a cpu-z shot indicating such.

remember these are not the sam IC's as as VX or level2
these are .175 micron reruns

it would be great if we can figure out what could be changed to improve the performance.
possibly even something as simple as using a different spd chip or changing the quality/value of some of the resistors on the module.
Team will likely seriously consider doing what it takes to improve them.

some ppl can bench at 275mhz with these but it seems not all modules are equal.

where's hipro when you need him :D

[loc.o]

Its the PC3200. This is max it will do and its not stable, times are getting worse compared to 265mhz. I dont think there's much to do. Im pretty sure Lastviking is right and the PC3200 stuff are the chips that wouldnt do PC4000 (as they already started binning up for them before the date on me sticks). What i dont understand is why i cannot use over 3.73vdimm with those though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/2673.jpg

[s e t h]

they were probably binning all the ones that could do 250 stable on 3.3volts yes.
and i guess one would think there is a weaker IC somewhere that is failing under voltage stress.

i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.

i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.

already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.

imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D

the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.

desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path

[s7e9h3n]

they were probably binning all the ones that could do 250 stable on 3.3volts yes.
and i guess one would think there is a weaker IC somewhere that is failing under voltage stress.

Probably? More like definately ;) But more than likely, their binning process didn't involve sorting through every single stick produced, rather grouping the IC's by week and then taking a reasonable sized sample from each to determine the speed rating for the sticks.

i think i'm going to try get a set of these into hipro's hands so he can take a look and figure out if any improvements can be made.

i'll try find out if team has the ability to make request to the IC manufacturers too. there is maybe a way that for a small price premium they could ask for an upgrade to the silicon wafer these are cut out of in order for us to get even better bh-5 sticks.

Although this sounds like a great idea, it wouldn't be an easy thing to get TEAM to redesign the layout or components on their currently manufactured RAM. It would cost them too much money to revamp a design which is already performing at/above expectations.

Yes, TEAM has a very influential position in the RAM industry. They've been able to secure IC's which many other companies haven't. As a matter of fact, it's rumored that TEAM has bought up the last supply of BH5 IC's and will soon be the only ones in the industry producing sticks based on them ;)

already we have one improvement in that they are on known good pcb's now and with Teams attitude and spirit we could help them create the best LL ram ever produced.
possibly even the pcb's could be improved by special request too.
although tccd that does well over 300 is on brainpower but then again they're never pushing 4volts.

imagine that with some adjustments to Teams production we could have 3.7volt LL ddr600 :D

TCCD is never pushing 4V because the Samsung IC's can't withstand that type of voltage. Put anything over 2.8V into those IC's and they will degrade over time. BH5 IC's, however, are rated to handle upwards of 4.0V, but the problem in the past was finding a PCB which could supply that type of voltage. JEDEC pcb's topped out @ around 3.5-3.6V while BP808 tops out at a higher value (I don't remember what). In fact, BP815 pcb's can handle even more voltage than the BP808's but the trade off is that they don't scale as high as the BP808's. This new wave of PCB's (Brainpower) and their ability to handle higher voltages is a dual edged sword - on one hand, they have the *capability* to clock past the BH5's of old, on the other we're seeing just what happens when people feed large amounts of voltage into their memory for a sustained period of time as evidenced by the large amount of UTT deaths (part of it is due to the PCB/IC compatibility).

the more ppl dream of this the more likely it will happen so everybody please help by daydreaming is all i ask.

desire definately helps to encourage reality along its path

Agreed :toast:

[s e t h]

thanks for your info s7e9h3n

it seems to me that the .175 micron ic's are still in production since some are stamped late '05 and even early '06.
if this is true and Team has sucured virtually the entire production then they do indeed have strong negotiating power.

so what i'm saying is that over some time and by identifying any weaknesses a few possible improvements could be implemented base very largely on the current design.

i'm no expert here but if possible a number of things could be tried.
presuming that changing the pcb and trace layout would make too much of a design difference and cost too much there are still a number of things one could try.
i do realise that ddr1 is perhaps nearing EOL but these babies have been brought back to life based solely on enthusiast demand.
nobody would be running the .175 micron process today if it weren't for us enthusiasts.
there are deffinately a few things that could be changed without too much effort.
i don't know what but lets discuss them.
the most obvious thing would be to increase the thickness of the wafer hoping for better voltage response and cleaner signals.
the machines may not be able to handle this but what about .180, .185, .190 micron wafers?
is this a possibility?
if not the next thing to try imo is to see if another source of superior .175 micron wafers exist or maybe tweak the wafer production from the origional source for the results we desire.

on to the smd components.
the resistors other smd's, besides the bh-5 ic's, may have an effect too.
uprating those components to slightly better ones or merely changing brands could have an effect.
much like getting better quality capacitors on our motherboards

lastly the spd ic has caused trouble in the past for some modules and once again it may be possible to switch to a better unit without resorting to a design change.

anyway thats just a few ideas.
who's got any more? :D

[jmax_oc]

I have not seen 270MHz, but he has a screenshot of 277MHz 32M @ 3.7v (MBM) (http://www.ocxtreme.org/onepagebook/ddr550piset/32m.jpg). It's the best result in BH-5/UTT sticky. Pretty impressive kit, I have to admit :)
I do superpi 32m @ 279MHz 2225 with 2x512 OCZ PC3500 Old BH5
I will post when I will get 280 :)

[loc.o]

If thats on 9 multi or up the 279 screen would be nice until then.....:D

[jmax_oc]

9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)

[s7e9h3n]

9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)
Pic please :)

[bachus_anonym]

9x310 OCZ@279MHz :)Pic please :)Also, as 32M @ 279MHz 5-2-2-2.0-1T 2x512MB would be the best result we've all seen so far, we would appreciate if you "documented" it properly... Here are some samples of such runs:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1098302&postcount=23
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1154158&postcount=285
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1102796&postcount=93
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1269829&postcount=1

It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)

[s7e9h3n]

It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)
If you do, please leave a link here so we know where to look for it :p:

[jmax_oc]

Also, as 32M @ 279MHz 5-2-2-2.0-1T 2x512MB would be the best result we've all seen so far, we would appreciate if you "documented" it properly... Here are some samples of such runs:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1098302&postcount=23
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1154158&postcount=285
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1102796&postcount=93
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1269829&postcount=1

It would be better If you started a separate thread then... Thank you! :)
No problem, I will give you several screens ;)
279MHz spi 32M 2x512
I've also done 289.9MHz spi 32m with 2x256


I have read all the posts on Teamgroups memories and PC4000 rox like old BH5 ones ;)

[dogsx2]

I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7446/dscn02130re.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn02130re.jpg)

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D

[dinos22]

I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7446/dscn02130re.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn02130re.jpg)

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D
:woot: :woot: :woot: :woot:

[s7e9h3n]

I had a post in this thread that Computer Giants had not sent me the memory I ordered and had them take it off my cc. Last night they called and said they had 4 sets and did I still want some. I said yes and they said they would upgrade to overnight for free. I then deleted the cancel post and waited to see if they would come.

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/7446/dscn02130re.th.jpg (http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dscn02130re.jpg)

Just got them a few minutes ago and will slap a set in. Don't know if I should post in Stevens thread or start a new one.:confused: Will just put it in here as I don't do lots of ss, just a few good ones.:D
Please let us know how they do ;) You're welcome to post here as others look to this thread for updates to where to buy them as well :toast:

[s e t h]

cool dogsx2. first US retail sale. glad you got them.
those are the ddr500 right?
for some reason your 1600rez photo is out of focus :p

[dogsx2]

cool dogsx2. first US retail sale. glad you got them.
those are the ddr500 right?
for some reason your 1600rez photo is out of focus :p

Yep, the 500's.:D

[G H Z]

Got my set today also from Team Research Inc., said they only recieved 5 sets all spoken for.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/Xtreem.jpg

[don_vercetti]

GHZ i've got the same sticks, same week. Tell me how yours do, i'm having a bit of trouble with mine over 250mhz or so; they need 3.35v to do it, that's a bit high imho. And with loose timings as well. I'm doing a bit of burnin' at the moment. But they can do 240mhz with about 3.1v or so. Ridiculous jump.

[Langley]

well , nice job,
BUT I think 3.68 v can easily do 275..
figure out the problem first dude;)

don't copy michael's over-voltage type,
\that's just kill your PSU, ram and cpu gradually
you guys can never trust , but whenever all your components die
just don't cry for hunger.:D
I think that are good ram... for bench sure... for daily is only for a crazy man.. i think that the best ram for daily r 2 x 1gb kit... if i can go up i put my core up to 1,7v and Vdimm up to 4v for a good bench.... so burrrn burn baby burn burn!!! :D

[Langley]

GHZ i've got the same sticks, same week. Tell me how yours do, i'm having a bit of trouble with mine over 250mhz or so; they need 3.35v to do it, that's a bit high imho. And with loose timings as well. I'm doing a bit of burnin' at the moment. But they can do 240mhz with about 3.1v or so. Ridiculous jump.
Hey Don what do u think about Tentative? :rocker:

[don_vercetti]

rofl
It's good, but i prefer "she's like heroin". However that is so far off topic it is just mental.

G H Z - results?

[dogsx2]

273MHz 32M :)

http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SPklein.png (http://desertshooter.nl/32M273SP.png)

What kind of volts are you putting thru them at 273? 3.8 or 3.8+?
A SG or MBM5 would have been nice.

[dinos22]

What kind of volts are you putting thru them at 273? 3.8 or 3.8+?
A SG or MBM5 would have been nice.
also why such a slow time considering the settings/MHz :confused:

[dogsx2]

:( Don't wanna kill Your optimistic opinion here but myself owned 2 pairs of this ram:


http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/963/ramextreem0044vg.jpg

Sold one untested and the buyer was not able to overcome 255 and mine were maxed out at 260.............. :stick: , so I think it's like always: U need to have the luck to catch an outstanding pair...........;)

:toast:

One difference I see is yours says 601W at the end of the bar code and
M H Z and my two sets say 606W.

[eviLRuLeZ]

here are mine :
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/8640/pict12049id.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict12049id.jpg)


a little overclock

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2223/272pi1mb5zh.th.jpg (http://img119.imageshack.us/my.php?image=272pi1mb5zh.jpg)

[Onepagebook]

also why such a slow time considering the settings/MHz :confused:
from that setting, I would say there might be 3 settings were not set good,
1. TREF,
2. strength
3. Dynamic counter

[s7e9h3n]

One difference I see is yours says 601W at the end of the bar code and
M H Z and my two sets say 606W.
Plus, his are the PC3200's ;) The numbers your referring to are the production weeks of the BH5 IC's on your sticks.....results pleez :toast:

[dinos22]

from that setting, I would say there might be 3 settings were not set good,
1. TREF,
2. strength
3. Dynamic counter
losing over a minute in 32M over these settings alone.........i don't know...doesn' t seem likely to me

[dogsx2]

I wasn't going to post any results until I really worked on them this weekend. Let me say I am not that great with BH-5 and like TCCD better. Also, I sold all the good sc optys I had and am testing with a dc 170 which makes it harder.

I only worked with them a couple of hours and the first thing is it takes
3.3v to do 250 on both sets. The ones I got can not do on 3.2v what the thread starter's ram can do on 3.2v. Errors in test 5 at 3.2v@250. The next thing I found in this short time is they take more volts then Stevens. I think they will be very good with a good cpu and a better tweaker then myself and I am still going to try and post some better ss then this first one I'm posting now. I had two 120 fans on them and to the touch they were just barely warm.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1342/team2682lv.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=team2682lv.jpg)

I already said I wasn't any good, so be kind to me.:D

Edit: look at the SPD when they were made. Week 06 Year 06, hot off the press.

[s7e9h3n]

I wasn't going to post any results until I really worked on them this weekend. Let me say I am not that great with BH-5 and like TCCD better. Also, I sold all the good sc optys I had and am testing with a dc 170 which makes it harder.

I only worked with them a couple of hours and the first thing is it takes
3.3v to do 250 on both sets. The ones I got can not do on 3.2v what the thread starter's ram can do on 3.2v. Errors in test 5 at 3.2v@250. The next thing I found in this short time is they take more volts then Stevens. I think they will be very good with a good cpu and a better tweaker then myself and I am still going to try and post some better ss then this first one I'm posting now. I had two 120 fans on them and to the touch they were just barely warm.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1342/team2682lv.th.jpg (http://img137.imageshack.us/my.php?image=team2682lv.jpg)

I already said I wasn't any good, so be kind to me.:D

Edit: look at the SPD when they were made. Week 06 Year 06, hot off the press.
Heya Dogs,
Not bad, but there can be a few improvements on those timings ;) But before I get to that, I have to remind everyone that these sticks are RATED @ 250 , 3.3V. Your sticks meet that criteria (and that isn't even a bad thing - many sticks of even the best memory can't do that speed @ that voltage). I suggest you DL A64 tweaker .6 as the version you're currently using offers some setting which can really screw with your performance if set wrong. Your TRFC should be able to be tightened to 13 and your TRTW ->2. I know that Opties seem to have issues with MAL and RP but is it possible for you to run 9/6 as opposed to 8/6.5? You should see some performance gain there. Try those settings first and if they work well for you, let us know....but that's a nice speed on the memory for 32m stable :toast:

[Nintek]

*impatiently waits for stock to land in Australia* :slobber:

[dogsx2]

Heya Dogs,
Not bad, but there can be a few improvements on those timings ;) But before I get to that, I have to remind everyone that these sticks are RATED @ 250 , 3.3V. Your sticks meet that criteria (and that isn't even a bad thing - many sticks of even the best memory can't do that speed @ that voltage). I suggest you DL A64 tweaker .6 as the version you're currently using offers some setting which can really screw with your performance if set wrong. Your TRFC should be able to be tightened to 13 and your TRTW ->2. I know that Opties seem to have issues with MAL and RP but is it possible for you to run 9/6 as opposed to 8/6.5? You should see some performance gain there. Try those settings first and if they work well for you, let us know....but that's a nice speed on the memory for 32m stable :toast:

Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(

[don_vercetti]

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.

Is that with the BIOS set to optimised defaults? Or overclocked..

[dogsx2]

Is that with the BIOS set to optimised defaults? Or overclocked..

It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.

[dinos22]

It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.
picky RAM=sux

[don_vercetti]

It's been awhile since I have corruped windows and I always just set it ot 200MHz. After you posted this, I set it to optimised defaults and still the same thing, registering components@13 minutes quits loading. It still has the green squares flashing and changes windows info but doesn't load.

One of my 0606W has just died as well, reckon it might be a bad batch? Try both sticks seperately, see if that helps.

[s7e9h3n]

Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(
Ummm, all I know is that I was told that they would be rated at 3.3V. I'm pretty sure I made it quite obvious in this thread's initial post. FYI, you should ALWAYS leave MAL and RP on auto and then once you enter Windows, use A64 tweaker to change the settings if necessary. Also, MAL and RP are settings which are dictated by your cpu's memory controller more than the actual RAM itself. Also, have you tried switching the sticks around? What exactly happened to cause the "corruption"? How fast were you attempting and what were the timings on the memory? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the tone of your post, it seems as if you're angry that these sticks haven't performed as you expected? TBH, a 267mhz 32m run is quite impressive for BH5's - new and old........

[dogsx2]

Ummm, all I know is that I was told that they would be rated at 3.3V. I'm pretty sure I made it quite obvious in this thread's initial post. FYI, you should ALWAYS leave MAL and RP on auto and then once you enter Windows, use A64 tweaker to change the settings if necessary. Also, MAL and RP are settings which are dictated by your cpu's memory controller more than the actual RAM itself. Also, have you tried switching the sticks around? What exactly happened to cause the "corruption"? How fast were you attempting and what were the timings on the memory? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but from the tone of your post, it seems as if you're angry that these sticks haven't performed as you expected? TBH, a 267mhz 32m run is quite impressive for BH5's - new and old........

Wait a second, the only thing I'm angry about is windows went south and the hd I had ghost on, I just used for another computer. I'm not angry about the memory. I do feel that the rated volts should be on the sticks or their web site. The first thing I do with memory is try each stick and put the weakest in the slot closest to the cpu. I then even switch them just to make sure. I never said that the corruption was the fault of the memory itself.

I guess it is easier to just do things and keep them to ones self then to post what happened and be open to being accused of being angry.

[s7e9h3n]

Wait a second, the only thing I'm angry about is windows went south and the hd I had ghost on, I just used for another computer. I'm not angry about the memory. I do feel that the rated volts should be on the sticks or their web site. The first thing I do with memory is try each stick and put the weakest in the slot closest to the cpu. I then even switch them just to make sure. I never said that the corruption was the fault of the memory itself.

I guess it is easier to just do things and keep them to ones self then to post what happened and be open to being accused of being angry.
ummm....ok.......:confused:

[Onepagebook]

Where does it say 3.3v? It's not on the sticks and not on their web site. Do you have a link? The RP is set to 6 in the bios but tweaker shows it as 6.5 with this ram, which is right? I forgot to set the TRTW and I know it will do 13 TRFC.

Put it back in last night and corrupted windows trying a high oc. Am trying to repair and it gets to reg hardware,13minutes left and hangs. Four times I have restarted it and it just hangs at the same spot.:mad: :(

Sorry buddy
that's because they are in hurry due to too much pals email and phone them

If that 's not rated on 3.3v then what do you expect? 3.2v? 3.1v?:D just kidding:P:
I will suggest teamgroup put on the website and say 3.35v~3.45v ;)


**what 's your Strength setting under bios?

** you 're not bad at all, cuz you use 1:1; some use divider and blame MAL and RP to loose,
I don't know if they really understand what they are doing.

[dogsx2]

[QUOTE=Onepagebook]

If that 's not rated on 3.3v then what do you expect? 3.2v? 3.1v?:

:up: sounds good to me :D

[eva2000]

dogsx2 be careful mate, low vcore + high vdimm can kill your memory controller on your cpu...

[dogsx2]

dogsx2 be careful mate, low vcore + high vdimm can kill your memory controller on your cpu...

What's the answer if it doesn't take much. I upped it to what it was because I knew it was not good. Is there a formula for Vcore to Vdimm?

[TEDY]

:banana::banana::banana::banana: 200€ :(

[Onepagebook]

:banana::banana::banana::banana: 200€ :(
so how much you need? I think you are complaining and cry for hunger everywhere :D

[zbogorgon]

OPN, don't worry, TEDY is famous for grumbling and envy complains in our country.

he is also famous for buying opty and OCZ VX and runs them on stock volt/freq and he is afraid of water (in comp).

arn't I a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :D

[eva2000]

What's the answer if it doesn't take much. I upped it to what it was because I knew it was not good. Is there a formula for Vcore to Vdimm?
i think 1.45+ vcore for 3.2+ vdimm at least.. some folks said they get system more stable when vcore is closer to VTT (vdimm/2)

i set my vcore at 1.5v in bios for my 2x 512MB XMS3500C2v1.1 BH-5

@260-264mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.44-3.48v
@266mhz 2-2-2-5 at 3.54v

[Onepagebook]

OPN, don't worry, TEDY is famous for grumbling and envy complains in our country.

he is also famous for buying opty and OCZ VX and runs them on stock volt/freq and he is afraid of water (in comp).

arn't I a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: :D


Now I see the tru image of "The sharpness from cat's eyes!!";)

[coop]

One can see many things after the last couple days. ""The sharpness from cat's eyes!!", I don't know about that. One thing we are not seeing is anyone being able to get some of this and other good ram so we can see how well they perform.

[s7e9h3n]

One can see many things after the last couple days. ""The sharpness from cat's eyes!!", I don't know about that. One thing we are not seeing is anyone being able to get some of this and other good ram so we can see how well they perform.
Patience my friend :toast: ....it's rumored that TeamResearch will be receiving another "small" shipment (but definately more than 5 kits :p: )of these sticks very soon ;)

[DesertShooter]

What kind of volts are you putting thru them at 273? 3.8 or 3.8+?
A SG or MBM5 would have been nice.

3,7v :), didn't have the time to open MBM or SG, had to leave.

also why such a slow time considering the settings/MHz :confused:

I Don't know, maybe because the screensaver was kicking in every 10min :p:

from that setting, I would say there might be 3 settings were not set good,
1. TREF,
2. strength
3. Dynamic counter

Yeah, maybe, I will rerun it when my Expert arrives (RMA :( ), with:

SmartGuardian,
Different TREF (3072?)
Dynamic counter enabled.
Will also try for 274MHz

[s7e9h3n]

Yeah, maybe, I will rerun it when my Expert arrives (RMA :( ), with:

SmartGuardian,
Different TREF (3072?)
Dynamic counter enabled.
Will also try for 274MHz
Try TREF 4708 (166, 1.95) and if that doesn't work, 3120 (200, 15.6u)

[Onepagebook]

Try TREF 4708 (166, 1.95) and if that doesn't work, 3120 (200, 15.6u)

or even 166, 15.6us
just do NOT try anything with 3.9us and 7.8us(133mhz 7.8us excluded;))

[dinos22]

or even 166, 15.6us
just do NOT try anything with 3.9us and 7.8us(133mhz 7.8us excluded;))
did you guys find this with these particular sticks or BH5 and other RAM in general

[Lastviking]

did you guys find this with these particular sticks or BH5 and other RAM in general

200mhz 15.6us gives higher clocks but give slower times for me, 100mhz 1.95us is fastest for me(khx pc3200 256mb sticks).

[G H Z]

200Mhz 3.9us is very fast for 3D on RDX, much better than anything 1.95us ;)

I should have some results with my set by Tues, waiting on 510 SLI mod.

[s7e9h3n]

did you guys find this with these particular sticks or BH5 and other RAM in general
Most RAM will perform @ optimum with one of those settings (unless GHZ is right about the RDX board - and there's no reason to doubt him ;) )

@ GHZ - I know you'll have something nice to show ;)

and LV's right - sometimes I get a faster time using the 100, 1.95u setting (but on the Expert, the 166, 1.95 FEELS a little faster)

[Onepagebook]

200mhz 15.6us gives higher clocks but give slower times for me, 100mhz 1.95us is fastest for me(khx pc3200 256mb sticks).


that's because you got old school bh-5 and that 's all tricks from PCB and spd matters.;)

GHZ is right, that's why if you are using 1900 CF(2 cards), 200 3.9us would just the good number to do it. BUT I would tru 166, 3.9 as well;)

[eva2000]

all depends on ram and board/cpu/bios

old school for me loves 200mhz 15.6 (3120)

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/LE1_2/10x/270-270-2225-8-18-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.75_3120_dsW2dds1_8F6/superpi-32m_a64tweaker_tn.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/LE1_2/10x/270-270-2225-8-18-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.75_3120_dsW2dds1_8F6/superpi-32m_a64tweaker.jpg)

[s7e9h3n]

all depends on ram and board/cpu/bios

old school for me loves 200mhz 15.6 (3120)

http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/LE1_2/10x/270-270-2225-8-18-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.75_3120_dsW2dds1_8F6/superpi-32m_a64tweaker_tn.jpg (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/LE1_2/10x/270-270-2225-8-18-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.75_3120_dsW2dds1_8F6/superpi-32m_a64tweaker.jpg)
trfc18? :wth:

[eva2000]

yeah it ain't the best but it works... at lower end can do tighter though

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10x300HTT = 3000Mhz
166 divider
250mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.2v vdimm in bios
1M = 27.484s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/300-250-2225-7-14-2223_1.46-1.3-1.5-3.27_3120_dsW2dds1_8F5/superpi-1m_2221-713-2212_trrd0_4clks.jpg)
32M = 23m 59.641s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/300-250-2225-7-14-2223_1.46-1.3-1.5-3.27_3120_dsW2dds1_8F5/superpi-32m_2221-713-2212_trrd0_4clks.jpg)


10x310HTT = 3100Mhz
166 divider
258mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.44v vdimm in bios
32M = 23m 13.922s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/310-258-2225-7-14-2212_1.56-1.3-1.5-3.44_3120_dsW2dds1_8F5/superpi-32m_2221-713-2212_trrd0_4clks.jpg) new PB


10x312.6HTT = 3125Mhz
166 divider
260mhz 2-2-2-1 7-13 2212 at 3.44v vdimm in bios
32M = 23m 02.640s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/312-260-2225-7-14-2212_1.56-1.3-1.5-3.44_3120_dsW2dds1_8F5/superpi-32m_2221-713-2212_trrd0_4clks.jpg)


10x315HTT = 3150Mhz
166 divider
262mhz 2-2-2-5 7-14 2223 at 3.48v vdimm in bios
32M = 22m 56.875s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/315-262-2225-7-17-2223_1.616-1.4-1.6-3.48_3120_dsW2dds1_9N65_16clk_16x7x/superpi-32m.jpg) old PB
32M = 22m 57.859s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/166/315-262-2225-7-14-2223_1.65-1.3-1.5-3.48_3120_dsW2dds1_8F55/superpi-32m.jpg) <-- need to work on it :)




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10x266HTT = 2664Mhz
266mhz 2-2-2-5 7-17 2223 at 3.54v vdimm in bios
32M = 26m 33.422s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/266-266-2225-7-17-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.54_3120_dsW2dds1_8F55/superpi-32m.jpg)


10x267HTT = 2670Mhz
267mhz 2-2-2-5 7-17 2223 at 3.67v vdimm in bios
32M = 26m 29.609s (http://www.fileshosts.com/DFI/NF4_SLI_D/results/Opteron146/CAB2E_0540FPMW_1/Hydrocool200/Corsair/XMS3500C2/2_1/704_2BTA/LDT3x/10x/267-267-2225-7-17-2223_1.49-1.3-1.6-3.67_3120_dsW2dds1_8F55/superpi-32m.jpg)

[s7e9h3n]

yeah it ain't the best but it works... at lower end can do tighter though
Hmmm...that's quite odd for old school bh5's. IMO, playing with TRFC values seems much more of an issue with the UTT/New BH5's built on the BP PCB's. Old school BH5's on JEDEC specced pcb's were able to run at a TRFC12 basically, almost to the ablsolute limit of the sticks. Here's my old school Twinmos BH5's:

http://img229.imageshack.u