Crucial says no more 2 gig balistix will be sold.

[xgman]

They are gone from Crucials web site and they just told me that only RMA replacement supplies will be available of the 2 gig sets or 1 gig sticks..

[Repoman]

Jesus Christ that's bad news.. I was under the impression that they fixed them, or at least well on their way, this makes me believe that they haven't fixed them and my new sticks are going to die soon.

I think I'll call newegg and get my HZ changed to replacement instead of refund..

[palehorse]

They are gone from Crucials web site and they just told me that only RMA replacement supplies will be available of the 2 gig sets or 1 gig sticks..
any links to anything official for this?

[pcdoc1]

any links to anything official for this?Who cares? They told xgman that directly..... :)

[Capt_Caveman]

Wow. I just RMA'd my Mushkin Redlines to Newegg to only get a refund b/c they're supposed to be discontinued. Now, I'm certain the Ballistix I'm currently using will die.

[ozzimark]

that's most interesting. i'll be willing to bet that our constant RMA'ing has finally driven them insane.

the part i don't get.. why not switch to a new ic. 5b D isn't the only chip micron makes that they can put in the 1gb sticks ;)

[irev210]

What to do, what to do... I can return and get a refund, or return and get another set. Mine were bad out of the box.


It is such a bummer, when the memory works, it rocks.


Edit: Decided to go for a refund. I need a stable computer most importantly.

[RafaDel]

WTF! They should provide some viable alternatives to us. I'm ready for another RMA, should I wait and get a refund from Newegg?

[Lood007]

My ballistix are crapping out. I was actually expecting them to fix whatever problem it is they are having, and I guess they did... stop making them!

I wonder if this is for the time being, until a better IC comes along from Micron, or if they are out of the game for good.

More importantly, will they give me a refund, or will I get punk'd?

[REBEL900]

Ohh man, i just got these from RMA last month and so far they rock..But for how long? And then what, RMA after RMA? This bad news :(

[goreblast]

To be honest it doenst surprise me. They are a mass market generic memory maker who decided to dip their toe into the enthuasiast market. Hasnt worked out for them so saying goodbye.

[ozzimark]

To be honest it doenst surprise me. They are a mass market generic memory maker who decided to dip their toe into the enthuasiast market. Hasnt worked out for them so saying goodbye.
heh, i'd venture that having the fastest 1gb ddr sticks in the market is a far cry from not working out ;)

lood, i'm hoping this is just an intermission. there's no reason for it not to be

[ReD.SkY]

its too bad, because all ive heard is good things (in terms of overclocking) about the ones that DO WORK.

[Eldonko]

When something seems too good to be true, it probably is lol.

[situman]

Dont they use these chips in some of their value series? Also, Some of Mushies 2gig value sticks use these chips i think in PC3200 flavor. I hope they come out with something else that rocks and nowhere near as fragile. Anyways, I guess this is what they call the curse of the Rambus.

[Coroner Kyle]

So just to confirm both L503 (Tracers) and Z503

I just got mine last week. I guess I should of gone with OCZ's EB, but they are never in stock.

[Drago]

Crucial is too large and capable to just get out of the 2g sdram. Im thinking that they will release some updated version under a different name or something. On the other hand, since it seems Sdram is on its way out with AMD going for ddram with their new cpu's that they really will just discontinue it. Ouch, I havent even fired mine up yet :(

[TheMeatFrog]

Not what I wanted to hear :( I've got a set headed my way as we speak. :mad: :slap: :slapass:

[ozzimark]

Not what I wanted to hear :( I've got a set headed my way as we speak. :mad: :slap: :slapass:
i fail to see the difference it makes, as they're keeping some for RMA's (hopefully enough.. hahaha) ;)

[Coroner Kyle]

i fail to see the difference it makes, as they're keeping some for RMA's (hopefully enough.. hahaha) ;)

Exactly what I was thinking and hopefully it's not a batch of really crappy ones because if they are I should just flush these down the toilet.

[Ferry82]

Got mine today good for 300mhz :smile:

[Coroner Kyle]

Got mine today good for 300mhz :smile:

Post your settings. I would like to see. I was having trouble around 275.

[largon]

- - since it seems Sdram is on its way out with AMD going for ddram with their new cpu's that they really will just discontinue it. Ouch, I havent even fired mine up yetSDR-SDRAM ((Single Data Rate) Synchoronous Dynamic Random Access Memory) was dumped ages ago.
AMD will "soon" move from DDR1-SDRAM to DDR2-SDRAM (Double Data Rate-Synchoronous Dynamic Random Access Memory).

[Lood007]

Its always like that at first.

They are stable for a month or two then crap out.

Mine are no longer 3d stable at anything above 240!
I would RMA, but whats the point right now unless they are going to refund me the full purchase price that I paid ($390 when they came out)?

I should ask the crucial guy on dfi-street.

[Repoman]

i fail to see the difference it makes, as they're keeping some for RMA's (hopefully enough.. hahaha) ;)

Who wants to have RAM that they believe will crap out in a month? Then have to wait for RMA, and repeat..

That's exactly why I just called newegg and got my HZ changed to a replacement.. right at the last minute too, they arrived a few hours after my call :) Now to sell these ballistix..

[ozzimark]

Who wants to have RAM that they believe will crap out in a month? Then have to wait for RMA, and repeat..
yes, but the fact that they won't be sold shouldn't effect that process ;)

[Lood007]

I say after 3 RMAs I should be entitled to a real solution. Such a waste of time and money to keep RMAing, sticks die, RMA, sticks die, etc...

[Vapor]

I had two sets die....sold the third set I got back without even touching them. Smart move, eh?

I don't think that this is a temporary thing either guys...DDR is on its way out of the high-end market in the coming months and Micron probably doesn't want to spend the money appeasing a small part of the market that would be oh-so-cautious after TWO out of three high-end 2GB sets that aren't problem free (their own 5B -D and Infineon's CE die).

Rest assured, UCCC is getting better and NO ONE has had a problem yet.

[Coroner Kyle]

I had two sets die....sold the third set I got back without even touching them. Smart move, eh?

I don't think that this is a temporary thing either guys...DDR is on its way out of the high-end market in the coming months and Micron probably doesn't want to spend the money appeasing a small part of the market that would be oh-so-cautious after TWO 2GB sets that aren't problem free (their own 5B -D and Infineon's CE die).

Rest assured, UCCC is getting better and NO ONE has had a problem yet.

Yes smart move, I think I will do the same if mine die that many times.

I don't blame Micron either, they've got be gearing up for AMD's move to DDR2. AMD has got a large following and a lot of them are OC'ers so put the money in the future.

What companies are using UCCC right now?

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

BAH!! Was just looking to buy some. Guess i'll get some mushkin or UCCC

[thinkingbear]

any links to anything official for this?
I "broke" this story yesterday. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1239410&postcount=54) No offical links, just go to the web site. No 1 GB PC4000 listed, ask thier "experts" they will confirm.

[STEvil]

i'd pick be/ce over uccc probably.

[situman]

i'd pick be/ce over uccc probably.

high speed be/ce costs almost 50% more for minimal performance gain. Not worth it at all.

[mdzcpa]

Its always like that at first.

They are stable for a month or two then crap out.


Not always. I have 2 pair running fine...1 set on 3 months, and the other on a little over 4 months. They haven't degraded a single mhz.

The set I bought in the summer did die and I rma'd them in late Sept.

Although I don't like the odd's, and I don't suggest them to folks, they are hit n miss. Not ALL sticks die. Just too many though. Its a shame.

[DriveEuro]

About freaking time they discontinue this crap ram. I had two sets die on me since July. Just last week I smartened up and bought some GSKILL instead.

I was never so pissed with ram as I was with the Ballistix. Spent $178 a stick for it back in July when it came out... Man did I get screwed reselling my RMAed sticks.

[s7e9h3n]

Even if Crucial has stopped producing these sticks, I have a feeling it won't be the last we see of the IC's ;)

[Lood007]

That wouldn't be so bad if the next batch of ICs were fixed of this rediculous problem!
Ram should not just decay in performace at its rated settings! There's obviously something being done wrong in the manufacturing of this junk.

[ozzimark]

Even if Crucial has stopped producing these sticks, I have a feeling it won't be the last we see of the IC's ;)
almost what i was trying to say.. i think it's more that we won't see any more ballistix with the current ic, but something new. ;)

[Vapor]

Even if Crucial has stopped producing these sticks, I have a feeling it won't be the last we see of the IC's ;)Do we want to see the ICs again? :stick:

[Punisher!]

No probl. m8s, since there are the New TeamGroup with Micron chips! And they are already available here in Italy (and cheaper too :P)! :D

TEAM GROUP DDR500 PC4000 2Gb. KIT 2*1GB. DIMM (CHIP MICRON 5B)
TIMINGS = 3-3-3-8

279€ (Ballistix were around 340€)

[ozzimark]

wow, they're available in italy?! not fair, it's still pretty hard to get them in the states. good stuff though. here's a quick preview, though i'm waiting to do a real review till my new cpu shows up ;) (2T explains why i wait, my 146's memory controller has a hard cap at 306mhz, with 4 different sets of ram)

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_149.png

and a validation i took later with an updated verison of cpu-z to show the mfg ;)
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=64950


and yes, it's 3d stable from what i can tell :toast:

[xgman]

I "broke" this story yesterday. (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1239410&postcount=54) No offical links, just go to the web site. No 1 GB PC4000 listed, ask thier "experts" they will confirm.


yes you did. So props to thinkingbear. When I called about my RMA that came in yesterday, I asked about why, and they told me that they had kept some asside for RMA's and that they were moving on to concentrate on DDR2. I am sure the constant rma'ing contributed to the removal, and even though the rep told me they won't be back, I would not be at all surprised to see them come back at some point because there are an awefull lot of DDR1 customers still out there. the RMA kit I git from them yesterday seemed like a pretty fresh batch in any case. And yes it is all 1 gig sticks or 2 gis sets in the balistix line.

[xgman]

That wouldn't be so bad if the next batch of ICs were fixed of this rediculous problem!
Ram should not just decay in performace at its rated settings! There's obviously something being done wrong in the manufacturing of this junk.


Not all sets are having this decaying problem.

[Lood007]

Not all sets are having this decaying problem.
Agreed, but it is still a big enough problem for them to offer a suitable solution.

[DriveEuro]

Not all sets are having this decaying problem.
True... but its definetely bad enough to cease making them. All four of the sticks I owned died on me. All within 2-3 months from aquiring them.

[Coroner Kyle]

Do we know "officially" why they quit making them or are we just speculating right now?

I heard, "we are trying to focus on DDR2" earlier, but anyone know the truth or is it a shift of focus?

[ozzimark]

Do we know "officially" why they quit making them or are we just speculating right now?

I heard, "we are trying to focus on DDR2" earlier, but anyone know the truth or is it a shift of focus?
depends on how much faith you put in the reps ;)


Hi Mark-

With the market adopting DDR2 as the new standard, we're shifting our focus away from DDR. With higher speed grades and lower power consumption than DDR, I'm sure you'd agree it's definitely a more cost-effective solution. And now with AMD talking about finally making the switch, DDR2 is about to take center stage.

We're going to slowly phase out some of our high-speed DDR products, starting with PC4000. We'll always support the old DDR standard, but with a slimmer range of products.

[s7e9h3n]

depends on how much faith you put in the reps ;)
DDR2 :rolleyes: .....how convenient..lol...

[thinkingbear]

I would not be at all surprised to see them come back at some point because there are an awefull lot of DDR1 customers still out here.
Agreed. That is just too much money left out on the table. I bet right now execs at OCZ, G. Skill, Mushkin, and all the rest with 1BG DDR500 modules are doing somersaults and cart wheels in their respective hallway$

[xgman]

depends on how much faith you put in the reps ;)

exactly, but more likely yield issues and returns scared them away from it.

[Eagleclaw]

Well after 2 pairs crapped out on me I sold them after my RMA came back.

Hope they will bring out something better this time around...

[irev210]

To be honest it doenst surprise me. They are a mass market generic memory maker who decided to dip their toe into the enthuasiast market. Hasnt worked out for them so saying goodbye.


i thought they had excellent performing DDR2...

Isnt samsung mass-er market than micron?

[jc2mm2]

One question, if Team's new 2gb kit is also a micron, wouldn't it crap out like the rest of ballistix?

[ozzimark]

One question, if Team's new 2gb kit is also a micron, wouldn't it crap out like the rest of ballistix?
different IC though. it seems that only the 5b D's are having the hit or miss reliability
i guess time will tell though, i've been messing with these teamgroup sticks for.. almost a month now, without any issues (sorry for being so damn slow kev :p: )

[MikalCarbine]

Damnit, and I just bought these tracers ;)

They are older though, way before the bad batch. So hopefully I don't need to RMA them

[Tibu]

So would it be a bad idea to buy a set from the remaining stock newegg has?

Dang and I just finished up saving for these -_-

[thinkingbear]

So would it be a bad idea to buy a set from the remaining stock newegg has?

Dang and I just finished up saving for these -_-
I don't think it is a bad idea, in fact I managed to snag a pair direct off the Crucial site the day after they went out of stock (had a kit in my shopping cart, processed the order and it went through, arrive today :)). I figured the worst that could happen is they die like the rest and either 1) there is no replacement so I get my $$$ back, or 2) there is a new "fixed" replacement available then and I get back one of those kits. I can't say for sure if Newegg would do the same as I read on their site that in event replacements are not available they will contact you to "discuss options", maybe worse case you get credit towards another 2GB kit?

[quantum]

I own a pair of 1 gig Ballistix PC4000. How can i determine what model i have?

[lawrywild]

the stickers should end in z503 if theyre these "dodgy" sticks (-5B D)

I had a 1gb kit of z503s :rolleyes:

they died in about 2 weeks, at the time I had no idea evryone elses was dieing too.

had to argue tons to get z505's..

[quantum]

Thank you. Z505 are OK? I want to OC my sistem and i'm afraid...

[shuRe]

Thank you. Z505 are OK? I want to OC my sistem and i'm afraid...

to be honest if you have the bad ballistix set then they are bound to die in the end even if you leave them at stock settings

[MikalCarbine]

The batch of CL1115X.XX 56278 seem to be the bad batch

[quantum]

Bad news my friends... :mad: I got Z503's. Batch: CL1115T.8D PN: 56278 . I'll try to do something about it... Thanks all for opening my eyes...

[ozzimark]

The batch of CL1115X.XX 56278 seem to be the bad batch
that's everything made in 2005 ;)

[MikalCarbine]

Bad news my friends... :mad: I got Z503's. Batch: CL1115T.8D PN: 56278 . I'll try to do something about it... Thanks all for opening my eyes...

Just keep em actively cooled with low volts and you should be fine. Lucky for me I got a pair from Week 4 :P

[quantum]

Just keep em actively cooled with low volts and you should be fine. Lucky for me I got a pair from Week 4 :P

I bought them to OC my system ! I can't do that with low volts... Should i contact Micron?

[shuRe]

my 2nd ballistix stick, fresh from rma, exactly the same problem as before, 2d stable @ 280 3-3-3-8 2.6vimm (bit lower this time), pretty immediate crash in cs:s and UT2004.

Is there anything else that can touch 280mhz speeds tho?

[MikalCarbine]

I bought them to OC my system ! I can't do that with low volts... Should i contact Micron?

280HTT 3-3-3-8 2.65V ;)

Gota test still though

[shuRe]

280HTT 3-3-3-8 2.65V ;)

Gota test still though

try ut2004 or cs:s, if they crap out, join the gang, if they dont, run away so i cant track you down and nick em :D

[quantum]

Help me God to replace them !. Wich one is best : Mushkin Redline XP4000 or Corsair TwinX 4000PT ?

[MikalCarbine]

try ut2004 or cs:s, if they crap out, join the gang, if they dont, run away so i cant track you down and nick em :D

Haven't tested 3D but I did memtest overnight, got 21 errors, it doesn't seem to like higher than 2.65 lol, or lower for that matter

Edit: Since I was getting errors I bumped my voltage up, even thought it was 3D stable ;), now its 3-3-3-8 280HTT 2.85vdimm

Just played about 30-60 min of source :P

[Lood007]

Spoke to Crucial and sent em a nasty email.
They offered fair market value to me for the 2GB kit.
I bought them for $400 and they want to offer me $170... only for use at the Crucial Store!
Terrible resolution to the issue, if you ask me.

[MikalCarbine]

Spoke to Crucial and sent em a nasty email.
They offered fair market value to me for the 2GB kit.
I bought them for $400 and they want to offer me $170... only for use at the Crucial Store!
Terrible resolution to the issue, if you ask me.

That's BULL if you ask me. Just curious, what batch do you have? I hope they come out with some replacement or something... I'm glad mine aren't the bad batch and run at 275 with 2.65v lol...

[truthseeker]

What voltage (2.6V?) and settings (3-4-4-8 @ 250mhz?) do I set my Ballistix to when testing if they are eligible for RMA? Are those right?

[Lood007]

That's BULL if you ask me. Just curious, what batch do you have? I hope they come out with some replacement or something... I'm glad mine aren't the bad batch and run at 275 with 2.65v lol...

Batch: CL1115W.VX

[Eagleclaw]

$170?? Fair?

I'd like some links where I can get some Ballistix for that price.




Spoke to Crucial and sent em a nasty email.
They offered fair market value to me for the 2GB kit.
I bought them for $400 and they want to offer me $170... only for use at the Crucial Store!
Terrible resolution to the issue, if you ask me.

[Lood007]

Yeah, exactly what i was thinking.

[alpha0ne]

Yeah, exactly what i was thinking.

Sorry to hear, even I would buy them at only $170, maybe they think you only have 2x512 Jk ;)

[amrgb]

What voltage (2.6V?) and settings (3-4-4-8 @ 250mhz?) do I set my Ballistix to when testing if they are eligible for RMA? Are those right?

Everything right except the voltage, it's 2.8v. Yes, the voltage everyone say to stay away from is the rated voltage. Curious ah

[NinjaWreck]

So who's gonna fill the 2Gb DDR600 niche?

[high5]

UCCC rev. D... hopefully. :)

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=85677

[Lood007]

Waiting for something from OCZ.,,

[ozzimark]

So who's gonna fill the 2Gb DDR600 niche?
teamgroup:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_149.png

waiting on a new mobo before i get you guys the full report. yell at steve to hurry up ;)

[s7e9h3n]

teamgroup:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_149.png

waiting on a new mobo before i get you guys the full report. yell at steve to hurry up ;)
I'll get that to you soon - I promise. I've just been real busy lately. BTW, if you think that's a nice 2gb Kit from TEAM, wait till you see what's in the horizon ;)

[Onepagebook]

As I know the only company still has Micron 5b-? left is TEamGroup

Their 5b-f will dominate all.

[HKPolice]

As I know the only company still has Micron 5b-? left is TEamGroup

Their 5b-f will dominate all.

When will 5B-F be out, and where?

[ozzimark]

I'll get that to you soon - I promise. I've just been real busy lately. BTW, if you think that's a nice 2gb Kit from TEAM, wait till you see what's in the horizon ;)
hmmm, this could be interesting... must be a new ic ;)

[bmac11]

Damn.. I really wanted a 2gb set. I've been itchin to blow some money.

[Lood007]

I got a new 2Gb kit coming to me in the mail b/c of RMA. I had to call and :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: at Crucial twice, but I finally got someone competant enough to look up their next shipment of the 5B-D Dimms. I am gonna ebay that shiat tho once it comes in. Unless someone wants to buy it off me. I am not even going to open up the box.

[EnJoY]

hmmm, this could be interesting... must be a new ic ;)


Gonna need a new section for the database, it's gonna be huge once these are released. ;)

[ozzimark]

Gonna need a new section for the database, it's gonna be huge once these are released. ;)
i'm hoping to be on the top once steve's board gets to me :cool:

[EnJoY]

I have a score with my ballistix saved away. Won't show it until I can get a chip with a good memory controller again to reproduce it. My ballistix are pretty awesome... ;)

[ozzimark]

yeah.. even my 512mb sticks can't do 300mhz with 2.7v :( :p:

[Coroner Kyle]

When is Teamgroup going to be carried in the US?

[Repoman]

I have a score with my ballistix saved away. Won't show it until I can get a chip with a good memory controller again to reproduce it. My ballistix are pretty awesome... ;)

Maybe I'll get to challenge those sticks, I was about to sell a pair that does 290 with 2.6v :eek: Obviously I decided to keep them though and sell the gskill hz instead

[s7e9h3n]

i'm hoping to be on the top once steve's board gets to me :cool:
It's commin....eventually :rolleyes: I didn't make closing today cuz I'm an idiot for not realizing what time my local P.O. closes....Starting with today, I'm imposing a $5 penalty for everyday I'm late. That should get my ass in gear....Hopefully I won't end up paying you to take my board......:p:

[ozzimark]

It's commin....eventually :rolleyes: I didn't make closing today cuz I'm an idiot for not realizing what time my local P.O. closes....Starting with today, I'm imposing a $5 penalty for everyday I'm late. That should get my ass in gear....Hopefully I won't end up paying you to take my board......:p:
hahahaha :p:
i just hope it's not dead, but time will tell ;)

atm, i can be 3rd, but at 2T:slap:

[douirc]

Well, I've been part of the "gang" for about 6 months now, and I'm on my third set. This time I got a set of CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. Before I stick 'em in my mobo, anyone have any suggestions on how to get them to survive longer than 2-3 months?

I plan on running 250 1:1 with auto timings and 2.8V in orange slots with 704-2β BIOS. Any suggetions on BIOS, mem voltage, slot choice or timings?

thanks!

[Vapor]

Want them to last? Put them in a drawer.

EDIT: I really don't think there's a way to prevent death to these....it seems random (i.e., nothing you can do can cause it or prevent it and it's an unpredictable event in terms of batch, time used, etc.)....I had a set die being pushed to the max and a set die at 250 3-4-4 2.75V....but if I had to guess, it's actually based off of use patterns.

(i.e., don't continually stress them with taxing usage and they'll live for a bit longer...then again, why else would you need 2GB of fast DDR?)

[douirc]

funny you say that...been hesitant to put them in my machine :(

[The Mad Duke]

Be aware you may not need 2.8 volts. The set I got from RMA 3 weeks ago are working happily (so far) :rolleyes: at stock speed of 250 MHz at 3:3:3:8 on the lowest voltage setting my DFI will take - bios set to 2.5 volts with the 0.3 volt bump disabled, SmartGuardian shows 2.43 volts. My last set took 3 months to fail so it may be a while before we find out if this strategy is effective. Micron gave these things a lifetime guarantee so I intend to run them until they break, and RMA each time they do. I have a set of G. Skill HZ in reserve to cover the gaps.

[Lood007]

In the future, when no direct RMA part is available, then what do you think they will do? Give you a replacement of equal value?
No.

They will give you whatever they have that is lower than the direct replacement.

not a good deal if u ask me.

[The Mad Duke]

Sorry mate, I do not know what the future holds, and neither do you! :stick: I am doing as I wish with product I have bought and paid for. I do not consider the alternatives acceptable - I could not sell these sticks in good conscience - if they fail again some one will be stuck without any means to RMA them since they were not the original purchaser, and that's just not my style. At least this way Micron will have to PAY for their defective product, I'm quite sure all these returns are eating up their margins. Who knows, Micron may decide to do the right thing and replace them with RAM that doesn't die. At any rate, this is a hobby for me, and this way I will have a ring side seat for whatever happens.

[alpha0ne]

Be aware you may not need 2.8 volts. The set I got from RMA 3 weeks ago are working happily (so far) :rolleyes: at stock speed of 250 MHz at 3:3:3:8 on the lowest voltage setting my DFI will take - bios set to 2.5 volts with the 0.3 volt bump disabled, SmartGuardian shows 2.43 volts. My last set took 3 months to fail so it may be a while before we find out if this strategy is effective. Micron gave these things a lifetime guarantee so I intend to run them until they break, and RMA each time they do. I have a set of G. Skill HZ in reserve to cover the gaps.

I see your point Duke, unless they give you a FULL refund your stuck with them

You could be running your HZ @ 250MHz 3-3-3-6 easily with 2.65Vdimm, maybe even tighter timings (I have'nt tried yet) for a set that only cost you 2/3 the cost of the Ballistic :)

[Capt_Caveman]

I'm on my third set and so far so good. Been running them at 250 3-3-3-7 @ 2.65v

[douirc]

I mostly worry about it corrupting my windows install as i use my machine for both work and play. it's very hard to reinstall a single os in a dual boot machine, and even worse if i loose data because of sticks that die in the middle of a write process.

[amrgb]

I Rma'd mines through Newegg. Got a mail saying that they don't have for replacement anymore. Let's see what's the deal they have for me.

[CPLB]

I'm looking to go 2 GB, but the Crucial sticks were the only ones I was really interested in...

amrgb, your sig is very funny :)

[s7e9h3n]

I'm looking to go 2 GB, but the Crucial sticks were the only ones I was really interested in...

amrgb, your sig is very funny :)
If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)

[rick_fx]

If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)

Great to know! What will be the release price?

If they dont die like the Ballistix and perform better that the Ballistix, I'm buying myself a 2x1gb kit of TEAM :fact:

[ozzimark]

If you're willing to wait a couple of weeks, I've heard rumblings about TEAM releasing a 2x1gb kit that will blow everything you see now out of the water.....;)
and they're definitly different than the sticks of team i have? :p:

[Major]

Everything coming from TEAM looks awsome so far, but I've yet to find a US online retail chain that has them.

[s7e9h3n]

Everything coming from TEAM looks awsome so far, but I've yet to find a US online retail chain that has them.
It's cuz they haven't officially launched their US campaign. They will be soon though......

@ Ozzimark - YGPM comin......

[Trice]

What is TEAM?

[The Mad Duke]

About TEAM - we have to hope they have discovered how to keep Micron 5b chips alive at 250 MHz and above - I note from the MadShrimps review they are using BrainPower PC boards, maybe this will help. It will be a few months after they are widely available before we know much about their longevity. Just thinking out loud here . . . ;)

[The Mad Duke]

What is TEAM?
Read review here:
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=1&artpage=1590&articID=397

[ozzimark]

About TEAM - we have to hope they have discovered how to keep Micron 5b chips alive at 250 MHz and above - I note from the MadShrimps review they are using BrainPower PC boards, maybe this will help. It will be a few months after they are widely available before we know much about their longevity. Just thinking out loud here . . . ;)
i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)

[MikalCarbine]

i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)

Why doesn't crucial use these newer dies? Aren't they 5B-F?

[ozzimark]

Why doesn't crucial use these newer dies? Aren't they 5B-F?
honestly no idea. i was expecting them to, but instead the ballistix got pulled. :confused:

[MikalCarbine]

honestly no idea. i was expecting them to, but instead the ballistix got pulled. :confused:

Bah, if mine do end up dying, I'll RMA (hopefully at least get Z503) and sell em, and switch back to OCZ or get Team ;) They are loooking nice

[giorgioprimo]

Bah, if mine do end up dying, I'll RMA (hopefully at least get Z503) and sell em, and switch back to OCZ or get Team ;) They are loooking nice

I asked an RMA with crucial europe adn they told that there is no chance to replace with the same stiks becouse they are out of production.
So I decide do get a x850xt vga instead ram...

[ozzimark]

I asked an RMA with crucial europe adn they told that there is no chance to replace with the same stiks becouse they are out of production.
So I decide do get a x850xt vga instead ram...
i've seen a few guys with the same issue, but then later that day, someone comes in to say that they got an rma for 2 new sticks of ballistix. they definitly have some, you just gotta work your way up a bit i think

[The Mad Duke]

i've never had any issues with anything but the D revision failing. the micron teamgroup sticks are not D dies, unless someone pulled a quick one on me ;)
O.K., I'll bite. You have experience with Micron 5d chips run above 250 MHz long term and they lived ? My gut is Micron quit making Ballistix PC4000 1 GB sticks because they could not figure out how to consistantly produce chips (in volume) which could handle that level. In other words, someone in management at Micron decided to stop throwing good money after bad. Just like Intel with the Pentium4 they had gone a bridge too far.

[ozzimark]

O.K., I'll bite. You have experience with Micron 5d chips run above 250 MHz long term and they lived ?
indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)

[Lood007]

i've seen a few guys with the same issue, but then later that day, someone comes in to say that they got an rma for 2 new sticks of ballistix. they definitly have some, you just gotta work your way up a bit i think
Amen.

I had to call 4 times before I got someone to tell me that they were getting in a shipment the following day.

:slapass: <--- Crucial

[The Mad Duke]

indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)
Oh, I don't doubt what you say about the 512 MB Ballistix - it's the 1 GB that keep dying.
Ah well, I can hope that by the time my current set give up the ghost the folks at NewEgg will be selling TeamGroup and I can talk them in to those as a replacement :D

[s7e9h3n]

Oh, I don't doubt what you say about the 512 MB Ballistix - it's the 1 GB that keep dying.
Ah well, I can hope that by the time my current set give up the ghost the folks at NewEgg will be selling TeamGroup and I can talk them in to those as a replacement :D
His "F" Die sticks are 1gb sticks ;) AFAIK, Newegg's not slated to carry TEAM memory, but that may change in the coming weeks....

[EnJoY]

indeed, but no 1gb sticks of ballistix (Read: no 5b D). i've had 4 sticks of 512mb ballistix (all G die), two bought about 3 months ago that are still going strong over 300mhz, two old sticks, one died due to a mistake on my part :slap:

the teamgroup that uses the F dies have been in my possesion for about a month and have shown no signs of slowing down... they have about 2-3 weeks of total use on them.. not really long term yet, but i have not seen any reason to doubt them ;)

How much better are the F dies doing than the D's? My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.

Oh, and ozzi, any idea whether or not Crucial will be doing f die chips on their pc4000 ballistix line soon?

[thegoatman]

I just got some non-ballistix -5b D RAM. How do I tell who makes the PCB? I bought the sticks from a company called "lifetime memory," and they're only rated for PC3200.

[ozzimark]

How much better are the F dies doing than the D's? My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.

Oh, and ozzi, any idea whether or not Crucial will be doing f die chips on their pc4000 ballistix line soon?
the F's seem to be about the same. wait till i fix the issues on my mobo and i'll give you a conclusive answer. right now, i can get 280mhz stable at 3-3-3 with only 2.5v. higher leads to a decrease in clocks (which is not the case for tighter timings, or 2T), which makes me want to try two things:
1. vmod to lower vdimm below 2.5v
2. vtt supplement, which is almost done:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_169.jpg

capable of supplying 3A of current in parallel with the richtek chip on the dfi, which is rated for 3a max. hopefully something good will come out of it ;)

[MikalCarbine]

wow, 280 at 2.5, that is nuts dood! :toast:

[ozzimark]

wow, 280 at 2.5, that is nuts dood! :toast:
hehe, not all that amazing compared to some of the ballistix, but i have a feeling they can do a bit better in the end ;)

[corvus_corax]

2. vtt supplement, which is almost done:

http://eclipseoc.com/phpwcms_filestorage/1/1_169.jpg

capable of supplying 3A of current in parallel with the richtek chip on the dfi, which is rated for 3a max. hopefully something good will come out of it ;)
Very interesting...
Please keep us updated

[amrgb]

I Rma'd mines through Newegg. Got a mail saying that they don't have for replacement anymore. Let's see what's the deal they have for me.

Got a refund of $307, the price I paid for the sticks. :woot:

That's the best that could have happened.

I must say I'm stunned with the way Newegg dealt with a problem that it's not even theirs. :toast:

[Capt_Caveman]

My 3rd set of Ballistix(RMA'd twice already) are starting to die after only a month of use. I could run them at 250 3-3-3-7 @ 2.6v and now I need 2.75v.

Looking what's available, not sure what to replace them with. Samsung UCCC, Infineon C or ???? Any opinions appreciated.

[ozzimark]

teamgroup cronus will fill ballistix's place :D

[Deus Falsus]

I got my ballistix back from RMA last week, I've had them at 280mhz and 2.6v and I was gaming fine, I even had a 3 hour bf2 session and it ran flawless, yesterday However I loaded bf2 and it CTD after 15 minutes, I tried again and it CTD almost instantly. This is the same thing that happened when My previous ballistix started to die, BF2 crapped out and I had to keep feeding them more volts and more volts to stabilize the game until eventually it just wouldn't work. So in summary, NO!!! CRUCIAL HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE BALLISTIX SPONTANEOUS DEATH SYNDROME, the memory I received I was assured was of the latest batch. I got the original sticks from newegg 4 months ago, you guys think they'll take them back and give me a refund? This memory is unreliable, fast and glorious while it lasts, but disappointingly unreliable.

[amrgb]

Newegg gave me a 100% refund after almost 3 months. I asked for a replacement, but they don't have them anymore in stock. Try your luck with them.

[Repoman]

I'm hoping they do the same for me, I'll be sending them back as soon as my new HZ come in. For now, I'm running 100MHz with 2.9v and 2T, they just crashed in source after 10 minutes.. might as well send them back now :rolleyes:

I just sold my set of HZ too, now I go out and buy another :mad:

[s7e9h3n]

I'm hoping they do the same for me, I'll be sending them back as soon as my new HZ come in. For now, I'm running 100MHz with 2.9v and 2T, they just crashed in source after 10 minutes.. might as well send them back now :rolleyes:

I just sold my set of HZ too, now I go out and buy another :mad:
100Mhz? Wow, those are some seriously messed up stix.....

[Veritas.no]

Sooooo. Does anyone have some that haven't died?


Still running strong 280 @ 2.7 volts after 3 months. Z503.

[mdzcpa]

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:

[ozzimark]

some of us are lucky i guess, or else there's a LOT of people doing something wrong, killing their sticks.

[MikalCarbine]

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:

Batch and P/N?

[HeavyH20]

I have 2 pair that continue to run fine after many months. One pair was bought last August (over 6 months ago now) and runs at 270 @2.6v in my daily multimedia rig, and the other pair was bought in September (5 months ago) and runs 277 @ 2.62v in my gaming rig.

They haven't missed a beat and show no signs of degraded performance. The mm rig runs 24/7. The gamer runs every day, and 24/7 over the weekend.

They just run fine. I dunno why :shrug:

You are not overvolting your sticks. The voltage is killing them, and along with it, any profits. So, you have to understand why Crucial would stop making them. There is little money in that market to have that many RMA's.

[MikalCarbine]

It has been proved that voltage, speeds, and heat are not killing the sticks, read the 55+ pages on DFI Forums, people would run their sticks at 233 with 2.5v with a fan on them and still have them die

[Deus Falsus]

Could it be the board? It can't be heat because most people actively cool them including myself. Before my first sticks died I never EVER took them above 2.5v!!! 3 months later it started crapping out and I noticed increasing to 2.6 did the trick, then 2.7, then 2.8... So even if it were heat related it is still a manufacturing defect that is killing them. I hate to be out of ram for another week but I'll try my luck with newegg and see whatsup.

[MikalCarbine]

That thread states they are failing on DFI, ASUS and I think MSI boards, so it can't just be the board :confused: :stick:

[Deus Falsus]

You are not overvolting your sticks. The voltage is killing them, and along with it, any profits. So, you have to understand why Crucial would stop making them. There is little money in that market to have that many RMA's.


I'm quite sorry to say that the overwhelming evidence would have you wrong. I pondered why my sticks had died when I had them at only 2.5v and a 120mm blowing directly on top of them.

[16floz470ml]

I got the 2 x 1GB Ballistix kit from New Egg. My sticks are refurbished and I got them for $221 shipped. Thanks to however rma'ed these sticks. :) This is just what I needed for my dothan.

[ozzimark]

That thread states they are failing on DFI, ASUS and I think MSI boards, so it can't just be the board :confused: :stick:
they could have a similar defect.. i know the ballistix do draw a pretty intense amount of power...

[Repoman]

100Mhz? Wow, those are some seriously messed up stix.....

Well, at first one would work at 250@2.6v (didn't try further) but the other with the same settings failed at 1:1 down to 140 (130HTT froze the comp). but it worked at 250MHz with 1:2 divider. So it originally crapped out somewhere between 125 and 140, since it was that bad in games but good in pi, I may have accidentally run some benchmarks at 3.2v after I requested the RMA :rolleyes: :clap: They only hit 299 anyway.. ss of 324 though

BTW to the guy with the dothan, that's amazing :slobber: Is it stable?

[16floz470ml]

32m stable

[16floz470ml]

My Ballistix have been doing 300mhz nonstop with 2.75v since day one at tight timings. No issues whatsoever. I just keep feeding them a new opty memory controller every few weeks (how fast i change cpus these days) and they stay happy haha.
I think crucial may be getting a bad rap. ;)

[foodfightr]

They are gone from Crucials web site and they just told me that only RMA replacement supplies will be available of the 2 gig sets or 1 gig sticks..

Gone? I see them here:

http://www.crucial.com/ballistix/store/listmodule.asp

[Repoman]

*cough* that's DDR2..

[douirc]

Well, I've been part of the "gang" for about 6 months now, and I'm on my third set. This time I got a set of CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. Before I stick 'em in my mobo, anyone have any suggestions on how to get them to survive longer than 2-3 months?

I plan on running 250 1:1 with auto timings and 2.8V in orange slots with 704-2β BIOS. Any suggetions on BIOS, mem voltage, slot choice or timings?

thanks!


WooHoo! 1 week stable so far :D
running 250 1:1 2.8V (default) with dual core folding 24/7.

[stone_cold_Jimi]

What is the consensus on the failures, what's happening physically to these sticks? I have a still-good set sitting to one side while some G.Skill fills the gap, but it's a total waste - I'd rather use the Ballistix, because for now it's the better ram.

If we knew what was screwing them up, then we wouldn't do whatever it is. But nobody has a clue what we shouldn't be doing, which is why mine are sitting out. :(

Man, what a shame. Does look like it has gone for good -

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2676&p=17

[Veritas.no]

they could have a similar defect.. i know the ballistix do draw a pretty intense amount of power...



Are they dieing (that sounds worng) just on A64 boards, or on Intel boards as well?

[douirc]

What is the consensus on the failures, what's happening physically to these sticks? I have a still-good set sitting to one side while some G.Skill fills the gap, but it's a total waste - I'd rather use the Ballistix, because for now it's the better ram.

If we knew what was screwing them up, then we wouldn't do whatever it is. But nobody has a clue what we shouldn't be doing, which is why mine are sitting out. :(

Man, what a shame. Does look like it has gone for good -

http://www.anandtech.com/memory/showdoc.aspx?i=2676&p=17

I think the general consensus is bad sticks are bad sticks, regardless how you run them. I've run two sets at stock ratings and they've gone bad on me. People have run them below stock and have had them go bad. It's not the environment the sticks are run in but poor mfg'ing (either materials or assembly or a combo of both) that's causing the problem. If ya got a pair, load 'em up. They do you no good sitting in a drawer. If they die, RMA, and keep trying until you get a set that's stable. But you should run stock settings so you know if it was you or the sticks that went bad ;)

[MikalCarbine]

I think the general consensus is bad sticks are bad sticks, regardless how you run them. I've run two sets at stock ratings and they've gone bad on me. People have run them below stock and have had them go bad. It's not the environment the sticks are run in but poor mfg'ing (either materials or assembly or a combo of both) that's causing the problem. If ya got a pair, load 'em up. They do you no good sitting in a drawer. If they die, RMA, and keep trying until you get a set that's stable. But you should run stock settings so you know if it was you or the sticks that went bad ;)

I agree entirely. I don't think people are ready to accept that micron just made a bad batch, something might have went wrong in the fab process or what not :stick:

[stone_cold_Jimi]

Yeh, you guys are right - I might as well use them until they break. These ones are hot ones, better dig out the 92mm Zalman again.

Edit: Wah! They're brilliant. Suddenly I got 2500 MHz CPU at stock volts, ram at 250 3-3-3-8 1T 2.6v (like, "auto" heh). Amazing. :D

[bobov]

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.

[douirc]

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.


It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you could post what you got. My current set is CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. This way we know what's good and what dies.

[Hellion]

Mine are V batch still alive and running almost 15 days.I hope they never die.O did last night 200loops memtest x86 test 5 at 265 mhz 2.5v.Weird is they are not benefited from higher vdimm.I use release bios on dfi expert which is weird too considering all latter perform poorly(i see most people here using 704bta with these memory sticks).

[bobov]

It would be really helpful for the rest of us if you could post what you got. My current set is CL111QG7X 63240 BL12864Z503.16TD1. This way we know what's good and what dies.

Mine are RMAed from newegg on Dec. CL1115Y.6K 56278 BL12864Z503.16TD.

2.6V 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz
2.6V 3-3-3-8 @ 280MHz

I won't use vdimm > 2.6v for safe.

[douirc]

Mine are RMAed from newegg on Dec. CL1115Y.6K 56278 BL12864Z503.16TD.

2.6V 2-2-2-5 @ 200MHz
2.6V 3-3-3-8 @ 280MHz

I won't use vdimm > 2.6v for safe.

interesting...i lowered my vdimm to 2.6v and it's running 250 stable. can you post a snapshot of A64 Tweaker V0.60 beta so we can see your timings. Also, you set those timings, or just put everything on auto?

[bobov]

interesting...i lowered my vdimm to 2.6v and it's running 250 stable. can you post a snapshot of A64 Tweaker V0.60 beta so we can see your timings. Also, you set those timings, or just put everything on auto?

I just set vdimm 2.6v, change tcl=3 trcd=3 trp=3 tras=8 trc=7, MAL=8 ns, Read Preamble = 6ns. others on Auto.

I can run my ballistix 280MHz 2.6V 3-3-3-8 1:1 superpi 32M stable on my dfi expert.

PS:// I'm using 12/07 BIOS.

[MikalCarbine]

What tRef, Data/Drive does auto set for you with your expert?
I keep getting crashes in AOE3 with pretty loose timings

And my expert keeps undervolting the memory..

[bobov]

What tRef, Data/Drive does auto set for you with your expert?
I keep getting crashes in AOE3 with pretty loose timings

And my expert keeps undervolting the memory..

tRef = 3072
Don't know Data/Drive values. But A64 tweaker shows the Drive Strength is weak.

[MikalCarbine]

Everest will tell you your Data Str

tRef is 18? what about the xxxmhz x.xus value for it? or the value in BIOS ie: 3072

[bobov]

Everest will tell you your Data Str

tRef is 18? what about the xxxmhz x.xus value for it? or the value in BIOS ie: 3072


Oh, i'm sorry. I mean trfc = 18.

tref = 3072.

no everest, so I can't help you for the data strength. sorry

[MikalCarbine]

Question:

You set you vDimm to 2.6, but what does MBM5 read it as? Or BIOS/ITE

[bobov]

Question:

You set you vDimm to 2.6, but what does MBM5 read it as? Or BIOS/ITE

set vdimm 2.6v in bios, mbm5/ITE read 2.51v, bios read 2.56v.

[MikalCarbine]

At least I know it isn't just my expert... do you think it is actually undervolting or just the crappy sensors?

[bobov]

At least I know it isn't just my expert... do you think it is actually undervolting or just the crappy sensors?

Don't know. :)

It doesn't matter. My ballistix is running perfect fine on my expert.

[MikalCarbine]

I can't seem to get mine stable on my Expert =\

[douirc]

My first kit died after 3 months. I'm on my 3rd kit (RMA twice). The current kit can do 2.6V 280MHz @ 3-3-3-8 on my DFI expert, and seems runs cooler than pervious kit. Almost two month from RMA. Will see this kit can live longer than 3 months or not.


glad you posted this. got mine running 270 2.6v 3-3-3-8 piece of cake. haven't tried higher yet. thought i'd let 'em breathe here for a little first.

[douirc]

WooHoo...3 weeks stable and counting! :)

[OV3RCLOCK3R]

280 3-3-3-8 2.65v 5months stable and counting:D

[AceGoober]

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=417849&postcount=1131

I ran a Prime95 8 hour test and they appeared to operate fine, according to the results of the test.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=419465&postcount=1145

The problem I am experiencing is the fact I had to raise the voltage (after 2 months) in order to regain system stability at stock speeds.

If / when I have to RMA these for a 3rd time (running at stock speeds), then the manure is going to hit the fan (can you say "lemon law" I know you can) and Crucial will refund me my money.

[douirc]

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

when did you receive your last set? i got mine 1 month and 1 week ago and they've been rock solid stable at 2.6v and will do 280 at 2.6 so far. i'd RMA again as they're bound to get it right eventually.

[gocchin]

After receiving the replacement modules, and not overclocking the system, I had to increase the VDIMM to 2.8 from 2.6.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=417849&postcount=1131

I ran a Prime95 8 hour test and they appeared to operate fine, according to the results of the test.

http://www.dfi-street.com/forum/showpost.php?p=419465&postcount=1145

The problem I am experiencing is the fact I had to raise the voltage (after 2 months) in order to regain system stability at stock speeds.

If / when I have to RMA these for a 3rd time (running at stock speeds), then the manure is going to hit the fan (can you say "lemon law" I know you can) and Crucial will refund me my money.


That's exactly what happened to me with 3 sets... I've had to raise vdimm from 2.6 to 2.9 just to be able to boot into windows!! And that is after 2 months of operating fine at 2.6v.

[Coroner Kyle]

I've got a set of Ballistix Tracers (same as normal Ballistix, but w/ LEDs (they were on rebate at the time so I picked them up)), but when I run them at all auto settings in bios w/ 2.6 actual vdimm they will pass Memtest x86, but when I go into Windows and try to run dual Spi, Windows does a hard freeze and that is just Spi 1M. I have had these sticks sitting here for about a month after running them for about a month and I felt like they were starting to crap out. So today I decided to put them in to find out and I am getting the results mentioned. Time to RMA to Crucial or are the sticks really picky and I should try manually setting the sticks?

Note: I usually just boot on all auto just to make sure the sticks boot fine and run stock timings before I start playing with the timings. Also on all auto settings they do boot at 3-3-3-8 (i.e. stock timings).

[douirc]

well, i'm at 2 months steady 260 3-3-3-8 2.6v and haven't had a hiccup yet. maybe i got lucky...maybe they got the batch mix right ;)

(by the way...this is my third set from Crucial...so if yours go bad...just keep rma'ing until you get a set that are good)

[RafaDel]

almost what i was trying to say.. i think it's more that we won't see any more ballistix with the current ic, but something new. ;)

Right from a long time ago... Now we know... 5B-F:D

[RafaDel]

Interesting behaviour... These new Ballistix perform quite different...

Can do 270 Memtest86+ clean at 2.65V. More volts needed to stabilize SuperPI (2.85)...

Also could set Read Preamble as low as 4.0...