ATI cards now has positive LOD app

[Poki]

After playing around with a later version of ATI Tray Tools i found the regkey to set +LOD and asked Ray Adams (ATT Programmer) to include them in the next release of ATT and he did!
So if you're after those last few points benching an ATI card this is a MUST HAVE. ATI Tray Tools (http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=733)
Thanks Ray!

From what i've seen so far with an old 9800se 2001 works best with +3.6, 2003 +10 and +2 with 2005. Give it a try and see what it does with your newer cards :toast:

[FUGGER]

Thanks for the heads up

[ZX7891]

50k01 should come soon then...

with dothan P4GD1 + X1800XT and LOD :)

[dinos22]

someone care to explain what LOD is

[Winterwind]

tested some lod with my X700PRO few hours ago..
500/500 wo lod av fps in 2k1 nature was 132 and with lod +5 it was 174:woot:
also lod gives some +40 frames in drago low

really nice perf gain:clap:

[mr_knowitall15]

someone care to explain what LOD is
:eek: cant believe you have that many posts here and never came across it before. Its level of detail. Basically, u can turn it down a bit to get better frame rates at the cost of everything looking like ass.

[dinos22]

:eek: cant believe you have that many posts here and never came across it before. Its level of detail. Basically, u can turn it down a bit to get better frame rates at the cost of everything looking like ass.
heh......there are so many acronyms used these days.....who can keep up :rolleyes:

[dinos22]

tested some lod with my X700PRO few hours ago..
500/500 wo lod av fps in 2k1 nature was 132 and with lod +5 it was 174:woot:
also lod gives some +40 frames in drago low

really nice perf gain:clap:
:banana::banana::banana::banana: I KNOW MY ANSWER NOW

Nature score will be going up..... :D

i've been asking that for so long thanks man :D

[IvanAndreevich]

This will make some nice records. Can you say 2000 FPS with 2 X1900 XTX's in Crossfire in Nature? :)

[cyron1]

so all we have to do is dload that version?

[trakslacker]

hmmm....wonder if we can get w1zzard to include this in the next beta for AtiTool? Someone with contacts to him want to point him to this info?

[IvanAndreevich]

ATI Tray Tools are better than ATI Tool. So many options to play with :p:

[Shinuza]

ATI Tray Tools are better than ATI Tool. So many options to play with :p:
Agreed :D

[Magnj]

I feel like im cheating...but I like it

[chinkgai]

i agree...isnt this cheating?

[Magnj]

on '05

lod 0
23.8
15.3
25.0
lod +2
24.2
15.4
25.0
lod +2 and Antistrophic and Trilinear Tweaks
24.4
15.5
25.6

[idanp]

where i can find it?

[CRUSH-ER]

Very cool. Thanks for the heads up. :) :)

[IvanAndreevich]

idanp
Download the latest version of ATi Tray Tools (google for it)

[STEvil]

i agree...isnt this cheating?

tell that to the people who bench nV cards with LOD ;)

[hipro5]

FINALY ATI will play EQUAL with the LOD tweak with the nVidia's........Let's see now what will hapen........!....ALL scores with the nVidia are with LOD tweaks from day Zero.......EVEN my GeForce 440MX works with them.....;) :)

[Magnj]

yea all the high Nv scores are done with lod tweaks

[FUGGER]

I am getting healthy 20+ FPS gains, sweet.

[G H Z]

Well I guess this evens the playing field, thats a good thing.

[zakelwe]

Nice find Poki :toast: :toast: :toast:

Yes, this evens it up, before nvidia could do it but that was ok as Ati was at the top, but now nvidia is at the top it is good that Ati can also have the LOD decreased by whacking up the + values to make a more level playing field.

Are the gains enough to push nvidia off the top do you think ?

Regards

Andy

[Kunaak]

I must admit... I am disappointed to see this.

I always had a ton of respect for ATI overclocking, when it went head to head with known LOD Nvidia overclocking.
cause even with the advantage of LOD.
ATI usually was still on top...

that to me, says alot about the power of a good ATI card in the right persons hands.

seems that just ended...

[idanp]

my new score with 1+ :toast:
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1687865

[MaxxxRacer]

LOD +10 and 3Dmark 01 werent happy together.. Ran a run of 3dmark without LOD and it ran fine. Re-ran with LOD +10 and it hard locked during nature..

And yes my system is totaly stable.. hours of SP32M, SP2004, and Windows memtest.

[IvanAndreevich]

Max you want to try some of the values other have suggested on the previous page. 10 might be too high

[MaxxxRacer]

Ya. I will try it later.

[Winterwind]

+10 is too high, fps is much slower than +5;)
cheating or not, its thing that nv guys do

[Frisch]

:eek: Doping.:D

[G H Z]

I must admit... I am disappointed to see this.

I'm with you 100%, I'd prefer that it was never there for either card. I mean here you take a great graphics card and then reduce it's rendering capabilities so it looks like an episode of South Park in black & white. OK, maybe only in '01 Nature ;)

If you ask me it's no different than the SSE3 enhanced version of Super PI, not a test I care to see any results from. In fact it's worse than that. It changes the rules of the testing environment and the software is too stupid to realize it. This must be a new feature/key in ATI driver sets or we would have seen this before, wonder what ATI's doing.

[loc.o]

Can i use ATT and ATItool at the same time, so ATT for LOD test and ATItool for volts/oc ?

[funkflix]

Thx man! Maybe now i can go for the 40k! :toast:

[tAmp0i]

From what i've seen so far with an old 9800se 2001 works best with +3.6, 2003 +10 and +2 with 2005. Give it a try and see what it does with your newer cards :toast:
Any idea how can we set the decimal points? "+3.6" ? :confused:

[El Snorro]

This is nice, now we 'ati guy's' can bench fair against the NV guy's which were LOD'ing all over the place:eek: :banana:

[zakelwe]

My opinion on LOD is that because LOD level changes are used in games and 3dmark is supposedly a "gamers benchmark" then this ability is not a problem, it's just that benchers will take this feature to it's extreme to get the best score. You wouldn't reduce the LOD in a game so it looked like how nature is run ( green cotton wool trees ) but then again you don't play games whilst topping up the old LN2 tube ( unless you're mad :D ).

A good example of a game that uses LOD is COD2. Run it on "medium" texture level and look at the textures on people, then run it at "extra" and notice the difference. Also notice how your frame rate plummets.

Regards

Andy

[GOESA]

I tested my max in nature before LOD tweaking, I was at 230fps and then i put in +4 in LOD and I get over 306fps in nature test in 01se, thats at 520/560 which is stock here.. thats very nice I also saw improvement in other test.. btw i am using winXP

/Grau

[dinos22]

ok just tested 3DMARK01 and there is a 2.5-3.3% improvement in final score

basically the detailed difference in scores is nature.....picking up another 40FPS :D ..........I was wondering what the hell i was doing wrong.....always doing well against other people benchmarking except for the damn nature scores


first time I ran without tweaks I got 27579 but didn't have detailed info......and when i reran it i picked up another 214 points :rolleyes:
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2406/3dmark012779326ghz399500notwea.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark012779326ghz399500notwea.jpg)

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1764/3dmark012848226ghz399500lod10a.th.jpg (http://img78.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark012848226ghz399500lod10a.jpg)

[dinos22]

Can i use ATT and ATItool at the same time, so ATT for LOD test and ATItool for volts/oc ?
i use both simultaneously

[loc.o]

Thank you, wil do some testing tonight.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

i agree...isnt this cheating?

:D HEHE, every kind of OCing is cheating also - cheating to the hardware...;)

:toast:

[loc.o]

@Dinos22, does +10 gives best score? (as it was suggested it could be too high) ?

[dinos22]

@Dinos22, does +10 gives best score? (as it was suggested it could be too high) ?
not sure i'm just using that at the moment

here is another run...........picked up another 1388 points from GFX OC from 399-500 to 432-572 and turned off a few services in Task manager

look at this.....almost 30K at 2.6GHz with a 12pipe Vanilla X800

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3592/3dmark012848226ghz432573lod10a.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark012848226ghz432573lod10a.jpg)

[metro.cl]

damn mates i'm trying this but 3dmark01 looks :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing ugly.

[Frisch]

damn mates i'm trying this but 3dmark01 looks :banana::banana::banana::banana:ing ugly.
That's what doping does to you, it may help you in getting the little extra +, but your body get's F..ked up.:eek: :D

[Magnj]

what catalyst AI do?

[Winterwind]

what catalyst AI do?

makes pancakes:D
its little optimization

[S_A_V]

I surprised how many peoples still don't know about positive lod with ati cards :)
It's absolutely no new for me - all my benches with ati cards already done with positive lods, as well as on nv cards. But now - just another "secret tweak" falls.

[Willis]

I must admit... I am disappointed to see this.

I always had a ton of respect for ATI overclocking, when it went head to head with known LOD Nvidia overclocking.
cause even with the advantage of LOD.
ATI usually was still on top...

that to me, says alot about the power of a good ATI card in the right persons hands.

seems that just ended...
not only this bothers me ,
But it's the fact that people don't run any 3dmark product as it should be....
when it says 4XAA most people are turning it off.This level of detail shivers me even more...
I don't give any value to most wr or scores.Just because of this..
LOL why not use wireframes hacks?:rolleyes:

[bazx]

Well I guess this evens the playing field, thats a good thing.


hehe:D

[flisko]

ive tried this LOD setings today,and got on LOD 0 200 more points than LOD3 in 3dmark05.Picture in setings LOD 3 was ugly.

[zabomb4163]

so if the football player next to you is using steroids its okay for you to do it too?

[bazx]

so if the football player next to you is using steroids its okay for you to do it too?


what a strange thing to say

this ant football and the card is not on steroids

we are talking about benching tools available to all ati and nvidia benchers

[Wayway]

so what should you set the lod for the 7800gt in 3dmarks

[Frisch]

so if the football player next to you is using steroids its okay for you to do it too?
what a strange thing to say

this ant football and the card is not on steroids

we are talking about benching tools available to all ati and nvidia benchers
Not really, if a card has been developed to function under certain rules (architecture) then it makes no sense to disabled it, just to gain speed.

Here it makes sense what zabomb4163 says, cause the moment one starts to bend the rules, everybody has to follow him/her to keep up.
I mentioned Doping earlier on, mainly just for the fun, but somehow it is what we are talking about, why produce a GRAPHIC card which are able to produce amazing GRAPHICS, and then turn them off to gain speed on a GRAPHIC card.

[FUGGER]

It is a level playing field now and ATI has the same advantage at 3Dmark as Nvidia. I dont see why anyone would get upset as Nvidia has had this advantage for years.

[zabomb4163]

there are many top 3dmark scores with zero LOD. if somone with an ATI card passes FCG's honest scores...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75859&highlight=LOD

100% default settings

[Frisch]

It is a level playing field now and ATI has the same advantage at 3Dmark as Nvidia. I dont see why anyone would get upset as Nvidia has had this advantage for years.
One way to look at it, but why lower the GRAPHIC standard on a GRAPHIC card.
Another way could be that Nvidia were forced to stop use the "doping".

[dinos22]

One way to look at it, but why lower the GRAPHIC standard on a GRAPHIC card.
Another way could be that Nvidia were forced to stop using the "doping".
this is the same thing as saying why people benchmark

why people overclock

why people benchmark with artifacts

why do people benchmark with systems that are not 100% prime stable and other nonsense

xtreme overclocking in my mind means squeezing every last drop of performance from every component that can be "pushed".

Hell i've been wondering why people were beating me in Nature for so long and it was obviously a "secret tweak" for me until the other day......

[FUGGER]

I made a thread about the horrid image quaility of Nvidia and no one really cared but Poki was put to the challange and he delivered the goods to level the playing field.

Thanks again Poki

[SlackeR]

Well. It is just like lowering the detail in drivers, just a "little" more xtreme, right?
Who doesn't do this?

[mascaras]

X800GTO :



http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/6162/k1345682ln.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[GOESA]

^^ nice result.. I went from 33185 to 36019, but meanwhile i also changed from a 3000+ venice to a Opteron 146 about 70mhz difference in overclock.. but i went from 275fps in nature to 320 :) I really like it, BTW i also only used LOD tweak in Nature, because the other tests had bad results with it. Look at sig for link :)

/Grau

[dinos22]

BTW i also only used LOD tweak in Nature, because the other tests had bad results with it. Look at sig for link :)

/Graucan you explain what you mean........

i did notice i scored higher without tweaks in first test.....but how can you apply the tweak to ONLY run in Nature :confused:

[Dissolved]

Another Reason for me not to benchmark, Thanks guys !

[jrw]

Does LOD tweaks yield any gains in 03 and 05?

[SADS]

it yeilds gains in pretty much all situations where the graphics card is the main system bottleneck.
+LODs mean that the GC can process textures a lot faster as they are of much poorer quality. its almost like lowering resolution to ease strain on the card, this would begin to make the CPU your main bottleneck. if you want to have +LOD to bench with you need to ensure your CPU is able to keep up, you'll still gain points though.

[mascaras]

the LODs are diferente in the diferent 3dmarks and in diferent cards . by the way new results:


2k1 >>> http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8861900





2k5 >> http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1429/2k53zb.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2k53zb.jpg)

[Frisch]

this is the same thing as saying why people benchmark

why people overclock

why people benchmark with artifacts

why do people benchmark with systems that are not 100% prime stable and other nonsense

xtreme overclocking in my mind means squeezing every last drop of performance from every component that can be "pushed".

Hell i've been wondering why people were beating me in Nature for so long and it was obviously a "secret tweak" for me until the other day......
No you can't compare a CPU to a Graphic card. The cpu IS about speed, whereas a Graphic card is about, well,mainly Graphics, speed is just a reason to produce those Graphics, and should be keept at the level the card applies to.
So in order, just my two cents, to enjoy those Graphics, you can speed up your gpu, but lowering the detail to a level, where an old card could compete in detail, i see no reasoning in.

[dinos22]

No you can't compare a CPU to a Graphic card. The cpu IS about speed, whereas a Graphic card is about, well,mainly Graphics, speed is just a reason to produce those Graphics, and should be keept at the level the card applies to.
So in order, just my two cents, to enjoy those Graphics, you can speed up your gpu, but lowering the detail to a level, where an old card could compete in detail, i see no reasoning in.
i agree with you about graphics.......and of course i'll wind the clocks down and LOD to default for normal 24/7 PC opteration

LOD looks ridiculous.....no question about it........but for benchmarking well....different story....

sooo Nvidia guys have this enabled in drivers already or how does it work....

i'd be happy to go either way LOD or no LOD as long as everyone's the same

[loc.o]

Same clocks (793/900) no lod and with lod +1 in high tests and nature +3, low tests both runs at 0. Bad car low in second run. Same cl as in 45k test would make a difference of +/- 1140 overall.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/lod.jpg

Nice find, ty very much :toast:

[G H Z]

Looks about like the huge Nature gains Nvidia cards have been getting for a long time, crazy. All I can say is if people have any balls they will mention LOD in their project descriptions :cool:

[zabomb4163]

so when are they adding the wireframe mode?

[zabomb4163]

your right. anything goes

http://www.squeakygeek.com/stuff/futuremark2.gif

heres my score :)

[sabrewolf732]

so if the football player next to you is using steroids its okay for you to do it too?

horrible analogy. It's not ok to use steroids in professional football because it is prohibited and illegal. Until futuremark states that lod is cheating, or until it becomes recognized as cheating by most it isn't. If steroids weren't illegal/prohibited they would be VERY widely used.

[MaxxxRacer]

i tried LOD +2 again and it crashed in nature (01) just like it did with LOD +10.. very strange.

[sabrewolf732]

i tried LOD +2 again and it crashed in nature (01) just like it did with LOD +10.. very strange.

Offtopic: Rofl hilarious sig :p:

[perkam]

I believe +3 lod is the highest preferred for wr benching ??

Perkam

[IvanAndreevich]

perkam
Probably the most optimal setting would be different for different setups

[hipro5]

It is a level playing field now and ATI has the same advantage at 3Dmark as Nvidia. I dont see why anyone would get upset as Nvidia has had this advantage for YEARS .

:D :toast:

[hipro5]

Same clocks (793/900) no lod and with lod +1 in high tests and nature +3, low tests both runs at 0. Bad car low in second run. Same cl as in 45k test would make a difference of +/- 1140 overall.


Nice find, ty very much :toast:

IS this Nature score with the VGA under phase change OR water or what?.....coz IF it's under water and NOT phase change, I'm geting one ASAP....:D

[hipro5]

Looks about like the huge Nature gains Nvidia cards have been getting for a long time, crazy. All I can say is if people have any balls they will mention LOD in their project descriptions :cool:

You don't have to have balls to mention that ALL the projects are fully "LODed".....It's common nowadays.....:D

[[cTx]Philosophy]

well I agree its kinda like cheating, BUT.....
If nvidia fanbois have been using it behind my back all this time, This means war :)

[hipro5]

well I agree its kinda like cheating, BUT.....
If nvidia fanbois have been using it behind my back all this time, This means war :)

:toast: :D

[G H Z]

Rofl :lol:

[G H Z]

IS this Nature score with the VGA under phase change OR water or what?.....coz IF it's under water and NOT phase change, I'm geting one ASAP....:D

Hey hipro, I'm almost 100% sure thats on Air, slap one in your Dothan rig ASAP :D

Better yet wait 2 weeks for X1900. Only problem might be cold bug, you need a special BIOS that runs higher voltage's.

[MaxxxRacer]

hipro still wants a AGP card to go with his Dothan..

So no one has any clue why my system locks up with the LOD tweak?

[hipro5]

Hey hipro, I'm almost 100% sure thats on Air, slap one in your Dothan rig ASAP :D

Better yet wait 2 weeks for X1900. Only problem might be cold bug, you need a special BIOS that runs higher voltage's.

ONLY 2 weeks.......Hmmmm......I'll wait for them and I'll not get the X1800XT one........PROBLEM though is that ATI STILL don't use in their X1900 cards the 1.1ns rams BUT the 1.2ns......IF they use the 1.1ns rams in their final product, they are going to take off the ORB......;) :D

EDIT: No need for bios for voltages.....Hardmoded will be fine I think.....

[hipro5]

hipro still wants a AGP card to go with his Dothan..


Actually I wouldn't say no for an AGP X1900XT......:D

[GOESA]

hipro still wants a AGP card to go with his Dothan..

So no one has any clue why my system locks up with the LOD tweak?

If i booted in Win2k with ATI Tray Tools to start with windows, I would get instant crashes in DL and DH if they werent run first :mad: i Don't know why, but it kind of sucks, I never saw any crashes in nature due to any LOD tweak :(

/Grau

[MaxxxRacer]

Goesa, how do u run out of order with 01.. always knew ppl did it, but never cared enough about the scores to do it.

[loc.o]

IS this Nature score with the VGA under phase change OR water or what?.....coz IF it's under water and NOT phase change, I'm geting one ASAP....:D

Its the stock aircooler.

[leejsmith]

you have to do a full run first then you can run each test in any order and it will change your 3dmark score.

sorry this is off topic but how about updating the thread with the intel 1m pi vs mgz dothan table i want to see my score at #1 spot.


Goesa, how do u run out of order with 01.. always knew ppl did it, but never cared enough about the scores to do it.

[loc.o]

NO need for a full run first. Choose change next to "selected tests" and go custom, there you select any test(s) you like to run. After the 7 first tests (CL tm N) youll get your final score, no need for the other tests. In between the ttests you can change your settings for the next one ofcourse.

[GOESA]

NO need for a full run first. Choose change next to "selected tests" and go custom, there you select any test(s) you like to run. After the 7 first tests (CL tm N) youll get your final score, no need for the other tests. In between the ttests you can change your settings for the next one ofcourse.


Yeah MaXXXRacer listen to the experts, they know what they are doing, I do the same as loc.o..

/Grau

[MaxxxRacer]

leejsmith, I will update it.. sheesh..

thanks for the info guys.

[hipro5]

Its the stock aircooler.

Ha,ha,ha.......I think that a new king is born one of these days as for the 2k1......ATI......:D

I'll be able to test about 7 of them and to pick the best.....:D

[loc.o]

With the gfx on phase you should be able to get 570/580+ nature and the (single card) wr.

[hipro5]

With the gfx on phase you should be able to get 570/580+ nature and the (single card) wr.

Hmmmm.......Let's see now if nVidia can keep up.....:) ;)

[leejsmith]

@ loc.o will give it a go.

@ max thanks :D

[cantankerous]

I hope this feature gets included into the ATI Tray Tools that is integrated in all latest Omega Driver releases.

How does this new version fare with the X1800XT? Can you overclock, change volts, change quality settings etc without any issues? I see nothing of this new card in the recent changelogs which makes me wonder.

[hipro5]

Heh,heh,heh..... TWO brand new ATI X1800XT one Gigabyte and one Club 3D are coming to my place tonight for testing.....:D

[Magnj]

:drool: I'll be expecting scores tonight before I go to bed Hipro

[FireDragon]

HA HA HA now nvid can get what is cooming to them they have been using it for years now it is our turn to change the tides!!!!

Dragon

[hipro5]

:drool: I'll be expecting scores tonight before I go to bed Hipro

Not tonight....I've got family.....:D

[cantankerous]

Not tonight....I've got family.....:D

hehehe I remember before you were saying you used to wait for your wife to fall asleep so you can quickly dart out of the room and back onto the computer lol.

[hipro5]

hehehe I remember before you were saying you used to wait for your wife to fall asleep so you can quickly dart out of the room and back onto the computer lol.

Yes I ALSO did that a LOT of times during holidays but she'll devorse me if I go away again....You see my benching rigs are at work...:D

[Neuromancer]

i agree...isnt this cheating?

Yes its cheating.
DOH... Did not realize there was 5 more pages of posts

[Winterwind]

Yes its cheating.
thinking and dreaming is also "cheating"
but hey, who gives a damn :D

[Thickbrit]

I have never used lod in any of my previous benching exploits,but now the cat is out the bag,i'll have to go with the flow or else there'd be no point in benching.Until the use of lod is regulated,i'll assume everyone else is using it and so will i,its only another optimisation anyway.:woot: ....the underdogs bite back.

[Frisch]

You can't see the picture below, as it is simply too ugly to show, however we can report that you have the fastes GRAPHICCARD.:D

[Poki]

Any idea how can we set the decimal points? "+3.6" ? :confused:
Sorry i didn't catch your question before. Fire up regedit and search for "LODAdj". You're looking for a "LODAdj" value in a folder named video*something* (the folder name is different with every card/OS so i can't tell you what the folder name will be for sure). You can set the value from -15 to +15 with decimals also from what i could tell. After adjusting the value you will need to go into ATT again and hit the reset display option and the LOD should be set.
Sometimes it doesn't reset, but it normally does.
The only reason i asked Ray to release this to the public is to give the ATI guys an even playing field with the Nvidia benchers not as a "cheat". The NV guys have been doing this for a long time and a few ATI guys have been too but have been keeping quite as how to do it. Now anyone that "wants" to do it "can" :toast:

[S_A_V]

You can't see the picture below, as it is simply too ugly to show
Enjoy the ugly pics :D
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7536/3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.jpg) http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3865/3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.th.jpg (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.jpg) http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2892/3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.jpg)
I make this pics 1 month ago, it's X1300 Pro with LOD=+10

[Winterwind]

Enjoy the ugly pics :D
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7536/3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.jpg) http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3865/3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.th.jpg (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.jpg) http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2892/3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.jpg)
I make this pics 1 month ago, it's X1300 Pro with LOD=+10
does +10 give any advantage? or does lod in all gametests give any advantage? i tried lod +1 in 3dmark 2k3 and got 9,3k whereas wo lod i get 9,8k with same vga clocks

[Frisch]

Enjoy the ugly pics :D
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7536/3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.jpg) http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3865/3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.th.jpg (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.jpg) http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2892/3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.jpg)
I make this pics 1 month ago, it's X1300 Pro with LOD=+10
Homer replies

mmmmmmmmmmmmm S3 onboard quality

[k|ngp|n]

Enjoy the ugly pics :D
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/7536/3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.th.jpg (http://img376.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2001gt4naturewithlod108x.jpg) http://img400.imageshack.us/img400/3865/3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.th.jpg (http://img400.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt2fireflyforestwith.jpg) http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/2892/3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.th.jpg (http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark2005gt3canyonflightwithl.jpg)
I make this pics 1 month ago, it's X1300 Pro with LOD=+10

rofl...the nature one kills me....no leaves and looks like a watercolor painting :)

LOD tweaking really only benefits 01' mostly on nvidia cards. In SLI 03' and 05', only 150-200 points can be had max from tweaking it at lod 3. Any more and the scores go lower. In nature 01', any higher than lod 3 results in poorer score.

With the ATI lod, do the points keep scaling all the way with every increase in lod up to max value? 10 or 15 or whatever it is?

[Poki]

does +10 give any advantage? or does lod in all gametests give any advantage? i tried lod +1 in 3dmark 2k3 and got 9,3k whereas wo lod i get 9,8k with same vga clocks
In '03 my best results were with +14(IIRC) but i was using an old 9800se, not what newer cards do best with. /edit Found my log and +14/03 +2/05 +3.6/01 were indeed the best for me./

[S_A_V]

Winterwind:
does +10 give any advantage?
Yes, LOD+10 is best for 3dmark03, but not optimal for '01 and '05

or does lod in all gametests give any advantage?
Just compare for example #1 and #2 places @ X1300Pro (3dmark01):

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8843503
gfx clocks = 756/1000, Nature with no LOD = 107.7 fps

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8843093
gfx clocks = 756/963, Nature with LOD +2 = 116.2 fps

[Willis]

Hmmmm.......Let's see now if nVidia can keep up.....:) ;)
Don't scream to loud, don't forget that Troman still owns a tweak wich gives +2000 over normal Nvidia LOD...

I'm putting pressure on him to release it, but hes tightlipped for now :(

[hipro5]

Don't scream to loud, don't forget that Troman still owns a tweak wich gives +2000 over normal Nvidia LOD...

I'm putting pressure on him to release it, but hes tightlipped for now :(

I don't scream.......Press him to release it......:)

[Willis]

I don't scream.......Press him to release it......:)
yes, i will get my rifle :fact:


Saw2 quote

"Oh yes.....
there will be blood"

[HousERaT]

Being somewhat of an ATI guy I've suddenly lost my appeal to bench. I hope the new benches that come out will force the LOD to a specific level or at least post what LOD was used. The inflated numbers don't mean anything which is why I never really got into the NVidia thing.

[MaxxxRacer]

Well I stopped it from crashing by going out of order. BUT my score dropped dramatically from runnning out of order..

[hipro5]

Three X1800XT cards in my hands now..........One Club 3D and two Gigabytes......So on I have tested the Club 3D and one of the Giga's........Club 3D default VGPU and Vram > 740MHz core and 864MHz rams........Gigabyte > 714MHz core and 927MHz rams.............

Now some LOD testing with DEFAULT clocks.......

LOD = 0 I get 335 marks in 2k1 nature
LOD = 3 I get 422,2 marks
With some other tweaks, I get 431.5 marks
LOD = 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 gives me NO MORE......

I'll be back........

[SIOUX]

Three X1800XT cards in my hands now..........One Club 3D and two Gigabytes......So on I have tested the Club 3D and one of the Giga's........Club 3D default VGPU and Vram > 740MHz core and 864MHz rams........Gigabyte > 714MHz core and 927MHz rams.............

Now some LOD testing with DEFAULT clocks.......

LOD = 0 I get 335 marks in 2k1 nature
LOD = 3 I get 422,2 marks
With some other tweaks, I get 431.5 marks
LOD = 4,5,6,7,8,9,10 gives me NO MORE......

I'll be back........


you should be seeing around 385 stock no lod hipro:)

[dinos22]

see if Anisotropic Filtering Optimization and Trilinear Filtering Optimization give you any more points as well :)


http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/3592/3dmark012848226ghz432573lod10a.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3dmark012848226ghz432573lod10a.jpg)

[STEvil]

So how long until we get some of the other missing options too?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42275&stc=1&d=1137213389http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=42276&stc=1&d=1137213389


D3D on the left, OpenGL on the right.. the settings I run on the IGP320M for this laptop lol ;)


There used to be an even better tool back around the time of the Radeon 64mb DDR VIVO SE.. but I forget the name of it :confused:

[hipro5]

Some updates..........

Default VGPU = 1.27Volts when 3D running, goes to 1.36Volts
Default Vdd and Vddq = 2.1Volts
DON'T trust the ati overclocking utility for the Vrams.....It shows(for start) 1.8V which is bull...........
I'll be back.....


EDIT: I'm back.........

I must confess I'm a bit dissapointed about the X1800XT.....DEFAULT score in 2k5 was 9353 and with LOD and tweaks went to 9467(or something like that).......The 7800GTX default was 9999 marks.....I don't now if I did something wrong!..........
ALSO using the ATI overclocking tool my nerves got so tend that I was about to break the card.....TOO BAD proggie........I set at 1.45VGPU, it "takes" it as I meassure the VGPU and when the bench starts, poofffff it goes down to 1.37VGPU - it's default - I couldn't play with big steps, it just got down to defaults....I had to pick and save-pick and save-pick and save every 9MHz as for the rams and a bit lower as for the GPU.......
Anyways the cards are gone now. The guy who brought them to me, had to put them in their place first thing in the morning........He'll bring me some others to test and pick the best of them BUT I think that I'll wait for the X1900 one.............I'll see............

Any tips for the next VGAs will be acceptable..... :)

[hipro5]

you should be seeing around 385 stock no lod hipro:)

It might have been 385, but I think I show 335......I'm bit tired though....:)

[IvanAndreevich]

Don't get too stressed, hipro. X1900XT is coming out anyway

[loc.o]

With the ATI lod, do the points keep scaling all the way with every increase in lod up to max value? 10 or 15 or whatever it is?

Ran 0 up to +10 last night on same settings. Highest overall on 1 setting was using +2. Best score i got is all tests at +2 and nature +3. Higher then +3 and all tests go down. Other then nature on +3 i do not get that much extra in either test compared to 0, only 2 or 3 fps in some tests.

EDIT: I'm back.........

Any tips for the next VGAs will be acceptable..... :)

I used the method Sioux and Eva suggested and it works fine. Stock Nature is around 380 (no lod). Goin from 0 to +3 in Nature gains me about 45/50 fps. Thats around 1000 points (as 10 x fps low + 20 x fps high + 20 x fps Nature = score).

What i used is:

1) Disable Ati hotkey poller and Ati smart in services.
2) Only use Atitool to set volts, do not do this in OC-tool it doenst work ok. Also volts OC-tool shows are of, ATItool is much closer.
3) Set clocks in 2D tab OC-tool by typing them, not with slider. If you change core/mem make sure youll set the other one again manual before save.
4) ATItool beta 11 works fine for me as wel to OC core/mem, the previous version(s) didnt.
5) Cat 5.13.

[M.Beier]

Sadly I ran out of AS5, so I couldnt use my 3700+ which is a nasty clocker (IHS off..)
So I used an old 3200+ winchester, which only did 2600mhz...
Combined with 520/540mhz @ 643.5/666mhz on my new x850XT (no mods :P) - stock timmings on gfx, no tweaked OS, winxp 32bit daily use.. - I got 35xfps in nature @ 01SE with LOD +4

CPU held me back, 40mhz on GFX-mem gained around 5-10 fps, which simply aint enough =)
- Strong timmings = 600mhz max @ mem, and 66mhz more is to perfer..

- everthing watercooled with 20 deg water (didnt turn on the chiller, aint got any issulation yet)

[loc.o]

Does +4 gain you anything over +3 in any test? All mine go down over +3. Me best result so far is everything at 0 except for nature.

[GOESA]

Does +4 gain you anything over +3 in any test? All mine go down over +3. Me best result so far is everything at 0 except for nature.

I gained 3-4 fps with +4 over +3, but I might have to test that again :D Was just a quick test and haven't bothered trying it since, im just glad with my new 01se score in sig :banana:

/Grau

[metro.cl]

can anyone help me with the other ati tray tools tweaks?? i enabled only to more and used lod +1 +5 and didnt get more than 100points in 3dmark01.

any tips??

[perry_78]

Havent read the whole thread, but LOD tweaks were available for quite some time with ATI drivers now - just look at the installaiton .inf file in windows/inf.

[charlie]

Havent read the whole thread, but LOD tweaks were available for quite some time with ATI drivers now - just look at the installaiton .inf file in windows/inf.

:D

:woot:

[ahmad]

Good stuff!

Now all we need is for ATI to make the screen flicker and we can call the playing ground even :p:

[Geforce4ti4200]

I didnt know about LOD for ati cards when I broke records with the scores in my sig. Ah well its only good for inflating nature and a couple fps in dragon. My scores were with NO lod. Ive retired from 3dmark and too lazy to spend days tweaking to get a couple hundred marks more. Im too busy enjoying my games ;)

[M.Beier]

I dont gain any in drago low... - Only gfx clocks & timmings matters - as far as the GFX goes..

[W1zzard]

maybe i should make an atitool cheating edition with easy psnulling and stuff?

[G H Z]

Not a bad idea W1z, but the only reason I would want any effort into something like that is to force Futuremark into fixing their system detection engine used prior to running a bench, That way we can eliminate the tweaking/cheating/whatever you want to call completely.

[W1zzard]

sounds like a plan .. give me some ideas :)

[metro.cl]

maybe i should make an atitool cheating edition with easy psnulling and stuff?


that would be nice :D

[Ozan Baseski]

It would definitely be interesting

[5-Clicks]

When I put the LOD at +3 or +5, my score goes down by about 50 points! What's the deal?

[dinos22]

When I put the LOD at +3 or +5, my score goes down by about 50 points! What's the deal?
interesting

have you tried +10

also can you knock up a compare page between LOD=off and LOD=+3/+5......to show differences in scores in detail

[Cpt Twitchy]

I dl'ed it but I cannot find it in ATT. Sorry for my n00bness but I just cannot find it.

EDIT found it. Didn't read whole thread as I am feeling really crappy right now and noticed it atop this page after posting.

[dinos22]

just have a look at my screenshot

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1233167&postcount=128

[Cpt Twitchy]

just have a look at my screenshot

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1233167&postcount=128
Thank you very much dinos22. I think im gonna go for top 5 in 03 with 9000pro class hehe.

Tim

[5-Clicks]

I think im gonna go for top 5 in 03 with 9000pro class hehe.

Tim
:lol: sounds like a plan to me!

interesting

have you tried +10

also can you knock up a compare page between LOD=off and LOD=+3/+5......to show differences in scores in detail

didn't try +10, but here are the comparison screenies:

No LOD:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/231/3dmk05867365042ghzgpu60063912v.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

+3 LOD:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/6453/3dmk05865465042ghzgpu60063912v.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

+5 LOD:
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5360/3dmk05853365042ghzgpu60063912v.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

BTW - these aren't the best scores from this card. I know other optimizations to activate, but I just loaded up the same settings as an '05 screen I already had and ran '05 with LOD because it's the shortest 3DMark.

[5-Clicks]

Any ideas?:stick:

[hipro5]

Is there any updates of the program that supports the X1900XTX VGA......?........I've download the 5.13 moded ATI Drivers and now I want that update......Anyone?.......:)

[5-Clicks]

I don't even think it supports the X1800's. It always screws up whenever I try to OC with it. I haven't found the voltage adjustment panel in ATT either...

[FlyBoyGeo]

Is there any updates of the program that supports the X1900XTX VGA......?........I've download the 5.13 moded ATI Drivers and now I want that update......Anyone?.......:)

Where did you download the modded drivers? Have a link? Were they better than the 6.1s?

[hipro5]

Where did you download the modded drivers? Have a link? Were they better than the 6.1s?

From a thread here in XS.........

6.1 don't support X1900XTX (at least mine)......:confused:

[SIOUX]

No updates yet Hipro. i´m looking for it as well:(

[hipro5]

No updates yet Hipro. i´m looking for it as well:(

The big joke is that we went on Sapphire's website so as to download Drivers for the X1900XTX card and they have writen that there are not any drivers for it YET!......How the heck do they sell the VGA's without supporting them with drivers??.....I lost - let's say - the CD with the drivers, HOW do they support me??....:) :nono:


RADEON X1900 XTX
Select the appropriate driver from the list below.

There are currently no drivers available for this product.


.

[dinos22]

Any ideas?:stick:
click on those two filter optimisations and see how you go

also do you disable any services when you benchmark....like those CLI.exe things....don't know if that does anything though

[5-Clicks]

Yeah I did those filter optimizations for +3 LOD and got 8711 marks at first. I never did them with any of the other benchs before, though so I turned them off because tehy weren't on when I ran the No LOD bench first. As far as I'm aware, the system had identical settings enabled when all the benches were run. I'll go close down some more apps and see if that helps any.

[Cpt Twitchy]

The big joke is that we went on Sapphire's website so as to download Drivers for the X1900XTX card and they have writen that there are not any drivers for it YET!......How the heck do they sell the VGA's without supporting them with drivers??.....I lost - let's say - the CD with the drivers, HOW do they support me??....:) :nono:


RADEON X1900 XTX
Select the appropriate driver from the list below.

There are currently no drivers available for this product.


.
That is just wrong imo. A company should never do that. Currently I have a similiar problem with a ragexpert2000 casue i need to resolder a ic back on my 9000pro. In the meantime can't even get a driver for it.

This is why ati makes me mad :mad:

[5-Clicks]

Just ran some more benches. My score keeps going down. It went as low as 82xx in '05 with +5 LOD + AA and AF optimizations and CLI.exe plus some other apps disabled. I then ran no LOD and AA/AF opt. off and got a measily 8456. I think it's the hdd. It being an IDE (still...*sigh*), I'm defragging it now.

One strange thing I noticed, though, was that after I ran +5 LOD with AA/AF opt and no CLI.exe etc. I ran '05 with all that stuff off and the tests would randomly decide if they wanted to use +5 LOD or 0 LOD. I rebooted and then ran '05 without disabling CLI.exe and with no LOD etc. and it was fine (still 8.4k though). I suspect that the motherboard BIOS might have something to do with this (0704 beta) so I'll flash it to the 0519 after the defrag and see if that helps.