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PiLsY
01-23-2003, 08:22 AM
First off I apologise for the scrappy format, this was originally for a PM, but thought I may as well paste it here as well.

If anyone else has any other tweaks theyd like to share please post them up below.

If we get enough input in here it may be worth stickying.




As for 3dmark secrets, all I do is minimise my windows install, install SP1 before anything else. Motherboard inf drivers next. Graphics drivers last. Remove all pci cards(60 points). Disable all onboard stuff (most noatble USB) including the FDD, IDE channels (i use raid) and com ports. Everything I can (210 points). I also do a fresh cmos clear (worth about 70 points) and unplug the monitor from the back of the gfx card (gives about another 80 points as well). The only thing apart from windows on my HDD is sandra, super pi, pifast and 3dmark. I use a partition thats almost at the start of my drive. I have a 508mb partition first of all for my swap file at the very beginning of the drive (gives much better day to day performance, no diff in 3dmark score, just faster loading times) set to fat32 file system. I run fat32 on my 3dmark partition too. That is a 2048mb partition (so I can use a large cluster size). After installing XP i disable the swap file and then remove everything I dont want in. I then reboot into safe mode and defrag. Another 6 normal reboots so the prefetch sorts itself out and then into safe mode and defrag again. Install SP1, reboot and then boot into safe mode and defrag. Install 3dmark, reboot and then reboot again into safe mode defrag. Same with sandra. I use the 6193 radeon drivers as they gave me best performance. I patch 3dmark to build 300 as well, as this seems to give me 200 points or so extra (all on car low - an extra 20fps as the car seems to usually miss that barrel on the first corner for some reason when its patched). I have the main slider at the top of D3D options set to max performance, then adjust the other 2 sloders to max performance as well. Disable truform and vsync. I force my monitor to 60hz, set desktop res to 1024 x 32bit and remove every single special effect XP has. I install rage3dtweak and let it use its 3dmark profile. I use it for overclocking as well. Powerstrip gives me better performance when overclocked (about 20 points) but having it load before I run 3dmark always nulls this increase. Whenever I run 3dmark I do a fresh boot and then load 3dmark. I set its priority to realtime and end any running processes I dont need. I then leave it at desktop for about 15 mins so it sorts out its system cache. I dont run any desktop wallpaper and have active desktop disabled. I also use tweakui to remove all desktop icons. I have quicklaunch and the clock turned off also.

All in all compared to a normal install this gains me roughly 900 points on a 3dmark run.

Hope it helps some of you get those last few points :).

PiLsY.

swissocer
01-23-2003, 10:39 AM
and unplug the monitor from the back of the gfx card
hehe and how do i see the framerate :P

WannaGoFast
01-23-2003, 10:40 AM
Good info dude!!
A lot of things I know and use and a few I had'nt tried......but will :)

thx

peace

WannaGoFast

Svenn
01-23-2003, 01:29 PM
I think Opp and MrIcee need to do something like this also. :D

Creative
01-23-2003, 05:13 PM
Hey bud :)

Very very nice guide. 75% of the things we do are similar but I have never installed WinXP SP1 onto my system before. :) I also have been leaving my NIC in the machine for the past few test sessions...and also some other things in bios like I havnt disabled FDD or Serial POrt 1 cos I use that for the CC on the vapo :) I usually do a scandisk and defrag after installing everthing also, but I didnt know about booting into safemode all the time.

If the weather stays a bit cooler today, which I doubt it, Ill be sure to ure step by step install and see how I fair with it all. Ive been using the 6215 drivers and might go back and try the 6193 ones and see how they go too.

Cheers again PiLsY, it is appreciated...:)

PiLsY
01-23-2003, 05:24 PM
Little hint - when paired with DX9 6175 seem to be the driver of choice. Got a very nice gain with them :). For DX8.1 though 6193 are still the best.

The reason behind booting into safe mode to do initial defrags is that under safe mode many of the system files in use during normal windows operation can be defragged and moved. Within a standard windows environment they cant. Also after disabling your page file and moving it to a separate partition at the start o fthe drive it still tends to remember where it was on your HDD and move files around that area. It leads to nicely defragged files, but in 2 or more chunks instead of a nice constant data stream.

PiLsY.

Stang_Man
01-23-2003, 06:12 PM
just scored a 11183 on 3dmark...

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5726031


:banana: i can do more... but no time tonight..:(


:cool:

Svenn
01-23-2003, 06:46 PM
Can someone please explain the Radeon Driver numbers to me? Which ones are 6175? Where does Cat 3 and stuff fit in? They need to just use simple numbers like nVidia...

ctgilles
01-24-2003, 08:58 AM
Hmmm ... To me, the end of a HD is the fastest...

Penguin4x4
01-24-2003, 02:13 PM
Dunno if this relavent, but wouldn't reducing Windows Services help to? Here's a guide from BlackViper: http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

Creative
01-24-2003, 06:29 PM
Originally posted by PiLsY
Little hint - when paired with DX9 6175 seem to be the driver of choice. Got a very nice gain with them :). For DX8.1 though 6193 are still the best.

PiLsY.
So DX9 paired with 6175 is *better* than DX8.1 with 6193 for you?

Or are you just saying its a good combo :)

Svenn
01-24-2003, 09:21 PM
I can't even find 6175 anywhere to download...

k1114
01-24-2003, 09:41 PM
I run all my benches w/normal background apps running and everything, I dont pull out hardware or disable options, I 3dmark mysystem, not a cut down barebones version of it.

But then again if your just going for a record or something then by all means this is good info and have fun :D

Chakotay
01-25-2003, 11:38 AM
Hm, I tought 3DMark was slower with SP1... *installs it* :p


Hm, 4 points less then without SP1, not really interesting :)

full loaded
01-25-2003, 12:45 PM
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/registry.htm there you can download some premodden service statments for win xp
i guess games and super tweaker are the best, to bad this is my parants pc so I couldn`t check them out, hope you people can do so I know whitch to chose wen my computers is running up again.

Chakotay
01-25-2003, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by full loaded
http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/registry.htm there you can download some premodden service statments for win xp
i guess games and super tweaker are the best, to bad this is my parants pc so I couldn`t check them out, hope you people can do so I know whitch to chose wen my computers is running up again.

I'll try them, results coming up in 10 minutes or so :)

full loaded
01-25-2003, 01:22 PM
thx I will wait till I here there`s a new mail, till that time I have to study my tentames :(

Chakotay
01-25-2003, 01:36 PM
OK, I tried default, gaming and supertweak :)

Only one run of each, so it isnt very reliable, but my scores seem pretty stable anyway.

Default: 13640
Gaming: 13739
Supertweak: 13718

About 100 points gain from the gaming profile :) It does disable a lot though, but I'm not using most of the stuff anyway, so that's not really a problem.

Good luck with your examns :)


Maybe I should post my specs with those scores :p

Tbred-B JIUCB 0250 1800+ @ 2100 MHz (10.5x200)
EPoX 8RDA+
512MB Corsair XMS 3200 C2 Pt @ 400 MHz 4-2-2-2
Prolink GeForce4 Ti4200 @ 320/575
WinXP Pro SP1

full loaded
01-25-2003, 01:39 PM
great, I love that file, directly downloading the games reg.
know what to do wen my mod is done, thx a lot chakotay

Chakotay
01-25-2003, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by full loaded
great, I love that file, directly downloading the games reg.
know what to do wen my mod is done, thx a lot chakotay

NP :)

Keep in mind that I did only one run on each set, so my result probably aren't very reliable.

I really gotta do the VDD mod, want to get 14k 3Dmarks :P

full loaded
01-25-2003, 01:55 PM
whit my rev 1.0 whitout vdd i had 18k now I have a rev 1.1 and love to bench but first have to finish my prom-xaserII-mod but those §§§§ing preliminary examinations :-(

FishaOfMen
02-03-2003, 08:01 PM
Anybody know where I can get Build 300? I'm looking all over the internet and can't find it.

Edit: Nevermind. I found it. Here's a link for anyone who's interested: 3DMark2001SE build 300 (ftp://141.30.217.15/win/bench/3DMark2001se/build300/3DMark2001SE.exe)

full loaded
02-04-2003, 10:04 AM
why to use 300:confused:
is can you get more points whit it or something, even then its not very so I just use build 330.

FishaOfMen
02-04-2003, 11:38 AM
Pilsy says it gets him an extra 200 pts. That's a lot. Others have only gotten 10 points or so. 10 points may be a small gain, but if you do enough of the small things, they add up and can mean the difference between #10 in your class and #1 in your class.

full loaded
02-04-2003, 12:52 PM
its a bit fake I say, almost everybody is using build 330 so maybe they are faster whit build 330, but ok soon we wil get 3DMark 2003 :D