Opp giving Epox free press ...

[SpudHo]

This is one of the news items at Amdmb ...

"Andy Cotterill from EPoX-UK sends word about their 8RDA+ board being behind the biggest and baddest 3DMark score from AMD. Here is a copy of his email.
Dear all,
Just a quick note to show the extreme performance and overclocking ability of the EPoX EP-8RDA+ mainboard. The EPoX EP-8RDA+ mainboard used in the system linked below along with Kingston Hyper X PC3500 memory and Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card achieved a 3DMark2001SE score of 21,623 3DMarks – the most ever achieved by an AMD system in history and recorded by the makers of 3DMark. The results can be viewed at :-

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5666197

The only system to beat this was a P4 system at 4.15GHz, thus showing that the EPoX EP-8RDA+ is the current ultimate platform for 3D acceleration of games and recording a result 6% faster than it’s nearest AMD based rival at 20,353 3DMarks – based on an ABit KT400 solution – just not good enough to compete. No other manufacturer’s NForce 2 solution can come close to this as they seem based upon unstable platforms when performing at such high levels. Many people may claim to have the best mainboards – we do have the best mainboards.

Andrew Cotterill
Senior Technical Engineer
http://www.epox-uk.com


Source: AMDForums - More Information"


hmmm should be some free parts involved in this:smileysex

[PiLsY]

Indeed........


PiLsY.

[MrIcee]

LOL...I recorded that 20,353 when there were NO nForce2 boards available...I wasn't able to compete?? With what...at the time way back when I benched that score it WAS THE highest KT400 chipset based score, and AMD score on the ORB....and guess what?? IT still is...I see NO 8K9A's even remotely in the league..and you never will:)

Comparing Apples to Oranges is ridiculous indeed...hang on to your asses..as there will be NF7 scores to come in the near future my friends:)

BTW..hats off to OPP on his excellent accomplishments overall. Very proud to have this guy anchoring the team along with JC..we indeed have the best in the business:toast:

Randi:D

[SpudHo]

Yeah, you guys take no prisoners ..........

[RichBa5tard]

To:Andrew.Cotterill@epox.co.uk
Subject:Free advertising

Dear Sir,

I broke 3 Epox 8rda+ boards trying to achieve the highest AMD 3Dmark score. Please refund me or I'll send in my 22k NF7-S score.

OPP

Come on OPP, just cut & paste. :D

Hehe, it would be nice to see their reaction. ;)

[JCviggen]

comparing apples with oranges is what marketing peeps do best....

Maybe we should send a mail to epox with "mods required to get this kind of performance"

Wonder how they like us cutting some traces for example :D
Doubt they'd mention thÃ:banana:t ;)

I've been out of AMD things a while, but last I heard, the only thing keeping the ABIT NF² from beating the EPoX is the voltage controller ..... must be able to do something about that ... we have to live up to our name

[DDTUNG]

Just to set the record straight, that EPOS score was done with a board sponsored by, of all people, YOURS TRULY. :D

There was no commercial element involved or intended.

OPP does have some 3D scores done with the Abit NF2 board that were very close to those of the Epox, but slightly lower. The NF2 board from ASUS did not do well.

It is our goal at Xtreme Systems to achieve the highest possible results with currently available products irrespective of Make(but almost always modified by us in some way).

I am sure OPP will come in soon and give us more details on this.

:)

DDTUNG:cool:

[PiLsY]

I very much doubt that comment has anything to do with Opp. It certainly doesnt sound anything like hed say.

My bets are someone at Epox was cruising the orb and spotted it, and for brownie points went and told this fool that made the statement. If they really want press like that then they should make the ffort on th eboard rather than us having to spend hours modding the bloody thing.

If Epox marketing are going to use Opps 3d marking to promote their board they sure as hell better cough up some recompense for him. Theres no such thing as free advertising.

PiLsY.

[N8]

LOL @ RichBa5tard.

/me likes!

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by SpudHo

The only system to beat this was a P4 system at 4.15GHz, thus showing that the EPoX EP-8RDA+ is the current ultimate platform for 3D acceleration of games and recording a result 6% faster than it’s nearest AMD based rival at 20,353 3DMarks – based on an ABit KT400 solution – just not good enough to compete.

Hmmm, so AMD rules the roost?:stick: :slobber: :banana: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :D

[N8]

Penguin4x4,

When didn't it? :D

Guess it really depends on the "roost" ;)

[a.p.versteeg]

Originally posted by PiLsY
I very much doubt that comment has anything to do with Opp. It certainly doesnt sound anything like hed say.

My bets are someone at Epox was cruising the orb and spotted it, and for brownie points went and told this fool that made the statement. If they really want press like that then they should make the ffort on th eboard rather than us having to spend hours modding the bloody thing.

If Epox marketing are going to use Opps 3d marking to promote their board they sure as hell better cough up some recompense for him. Theres no such thing as free advertising.

PiLsY.
This was only a little tease from epox to the other mobo makers to bring more and better mobo`s like this one, also epox know how much tweaking/modding it need to get scores like this. But it`s stil a epox mobo on the second place because it was posible with this mobo and that`s a fact. And yes Epox is reading this forum on this site because only than they will know what the nex mobo need`s to be a winner. ;)

[JCviggen]

m8

I heard you got hired by EPoX, congrats :D


I have no problem with manufacturer' reps reading the forum, in fact it should be applauded and it can only lead to better tweakability of boards. However simply use someone's score for 'marketing' reasons without even asking the person in question is a little weak....

I sure wish some manufacturers would create a board which would really comply with what overclockers in general are asking ... sure its a relatively small market, but if any board would be even 80% of how I'd want it, they could get close to a 100% market share in the OC-enthusiast market which would still be nice sales. Also, it gets the company and the board a very good reputation, which leads to even n00bs buying it because they hear its good.

Some things are always wrong with boards... in the epox i'm trying now there are some things to be improved... the voltage regulator and mosfets are really working their asses off to feed an overclocked Athlon, hence extremely high temps on both.
Then there's the temp sensor(s) which are just pathetic... and maybe some more memory voltage would be nice too. Oh, and please, no more of those over current protections which are over-sensitive

So Tom, if any Epox boards are bad in the future, you'll take the blame for it :D

i'll reply to your mail a bit later ;)

[ctgilles]

Originally posted by JCviggen
m8
Some things are always wrong with boards... in the epox i'm trying now there are some things to be improved... the voltage regulator and mosfets are really working their asses off to feed an overclocked Athlon, hence extremely high temps on both.
Then there's the temp sensor(s) which are just pathetic... and maybe some more memory voltage would be nice too. Oh, and please, no more of those over current protections which are over-sensitive
Ehm, I want THAT fixed board by EPoX on my desk by tomorrow :D and for free :stick: :D

Also, I think now that you sent that mail, OPP should get like 10% share in the profits made by the 8RDA+ :D :D :D (oh, and throw in a 5% for me :))

[Raptor]

i don't know why are you blaiming Epox so mutch... Abit did the same thing in this -> http://www.abit.com.tw/abitweb/webjsp/english/news/best/best.htm


Randy

With what...at the time way back when I benched that score it WAS THE highest KT400 chipset based score, and AMD score on the ORB....and guess what?? IT still is...I see NO 8K9A's even remotely in the league..and you never will

how do you know? maybe you're right because ppl prefer the nForce2 plantform, but you don't know if anyone will pass your score with an 8K9A!

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by N8
Penguin4x4,

When didn't it? :D

Guess it really depends on the "roost" ;)

Well.......I see a P4 rig sittin on the ORB perch as of right now is all, :slap:




:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D :D :D

[MrIcee]

Raptor:)

You are correct...maybe when the GF FX comes out it will be overtaken:) I guess what I was alluding to is that now that nForce2 is out en mass that most serious AMD enthusiasts are opting for that higher performing platform, making it less likely an 8K9A would blow by me at this time...but it could be possible with alot of effort:)

No offense intended my friend:)

Randi:D

[g.l.amour]

what jvciggen said about the epoxes and the voltage regulators is true.

last month i blew up the voltage regulators (loud poofff) with alot of smoke. since i did absolutely no modifications to the board it is very sad that i couldn't even get warranty on the board. last week i got a forum bud who experienced the same thing with his epox.

now, someone from epox exlain why u cater to the overclocker and then don't warranty the board when it fails under the usage it was intended for?

even more sad that on my new board i had to void the warranty immediately after purchase by glueing heatsinks on the componentry that blew up on my last mainboard. better a working motherboard without warranty than a dead motherboard without warranty.

http://users.pandora.be/deridex/posts/epoxvoor.jpg
http://users.pandora.be/deridex/posts/epoxachter.jpg

these pix are courtesy of deridexi of loveno forum

[dropadrop]

I don't find any suprise in the fact that epox used the orb results for marketing, but you would seriously think that they would have the courtisy to contact the person in charge of the results? A snowboarding company would allready have sponsored opp, and started taking advice in how to better cater for the overclocking community, but even a simple "hiya, we used your results" would seem like the minimum they could do. (not that I know if they allready did contact him...) :)

[Raptor]

Originally posted by MrIcee
Raptor:)

You are correct...maybe when the GF FX comes out it will be overtaken:) I guess what I was alluding to is that now that nForce2 is out en mass that most serious AMD enthusiasts are opting for that higher performing platform, making it less likely an 8K9A would blow by me at this time...but it could be possible with alot of effort:)

No offense intended my friend:)

Randi:D

No problem M8! :)

btw, don't you have a better score with a nForce2 plantform? i think OPP's felling kind of lonely with his stupendous AMD score! :)

[Bravo]

g.l.amour, thats probably on an 8K3A. I have not heard of a single 8RDA+ biting the dust in a way similiar to the pics above.

[g.l.amour]

indeed that is an 8k3a of a m8's

my 8k5a had the black square things with the 3 legs explode. something different but in the end it comes down to them getting too hot to cool passively. got large heatsinks and an 80mm pointed solely on those things.

point i was trying to make is, u have to make certain adjustments to make those boards run at settings provided in bios. not nice of epox to start bragging with others ppl's modification that make the board perform better or not break down, but also deny warranty to those ppl.

where i come from that is called measurment by 2 standards;)

[N8]

I have 3 8K3A's & have had 1 of them in my main rig since april of last year abusing the hell out of it w/ no modifications but an active northbridge cooler(the other 2 have absolutely no mods at all) & they all work great today. I'm certainly not saying that EPoX doesn't let some bad boards get out there, or that I've ever had any experience RMA'n one...but I just wanted to let ya's know that I've only ever bought 3 EPoX's & they've all been superb for me. :)

[SKATAN]

all you need is a faulty component that causes the chain reaction seen on the pics

no mobo brand has a perfect record

and

you cant be sure that was caused by a fautly component it could have been caused by a spike from the psu

n8

I agree 8k3a is a great mobo :) it could have been even better wih a more configurable bios :)

[N8]

SKATAN I think its time you bought a Tbred B. Look in my sig, I'm amazed :)

[Raptor]

N8, the problem is to get those steppings here in Portugal! They all suck!

Has for Epox, can i talk about the 8KHA+ i had and still have since they where released? :D

[MrIcee]

Originally posted by Raptor
btw, don't you have a better score with a nForce2 plantform? i think OPP's felling kind of lonely with his stupendous AMD score! :)

In fact...I have been benching...but I had been given a Ti4200 to test and evaluate so my focus has been in that class..where I'm sitting in 5th place still on air with my NF7-S. As soon as OPP has the OVP mod sussed out...I'll perform it and re-install my NF7-S in my Prometeia and take a stab at macci's top score in the Ti4200 class. Once done there..back in will go my 9700 Pro and I'll try to join OPP at the top....or at leasy try to get in the Top 5...I think it's a distinct possibilty as my NF7-S is cooking:D

Randi:D

[Straton]

Skatan:

How the fudge did you get that 3dMark score? :confused: That's huge with those specs :toast:

[PimpJack]

where is the part of the e-mail saying that Opp from the xtremesystems.org 3dmark team set the amd record with an epox board. It seems like epox did all the magic lol. Its still a bad boy board but credit needs to be given and a congrats e-mail with a check or free stuff should be in opp's mailbox. Think about an overclocker neing sponsored on the ORB. Wouldn't that be some §§§§.

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by Straton
Skatan:

How the fudge did you get that 3dMark score? :confused: That's huge with those specs :toast:


With MASTA 8k3a Tweaks , perfect lod , etc :D

that baby was flying :D

but with nforce2 it´s very easy to acomplish/beat with the same clocks :rolleyes:

[OPPAINTER]

I just saw this thread, I have to agree this free plublisity for Epox.... And it pisses me off:D
The fact is, when I read that at AMDMB I e-mailed Ron and asked for the e-mail addy of the EPOS rep that sent the e-mail. Ron sent me the e-mail addy so I sent an e-mail to Epox, I told them some stuff about being able to get better benches if they could find me a good mobo, I basicly sent a bunch of stuff saying send me some mobos:D
Anyway, the scrub never even replied to my e-mail. I'm seriouslly going to pass that score useing a Fic mobo, this will be great:D

OPP

[Raptor]

Originally posted by OPPAINTER

Anyway, the scrub never even replied to my e-mail. I'm seriouslly going to pass that score useing a Fic mobo, this will be great:D

OPP


LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL :D :D :D :D

[N8]

That is a FIC mobo. RIGHT? :p

[OPPAINTER]

Originally posted by N8
That is a FIC mobo. RIGHT? :p

Yep:)

OPP