View Full Version : Help me kill my venice 3000+!
ION84
12-15-2005, 06:44 PM
Hi there and congratulations for this great forum.
A combination of an insufficient psu (Hec 385 windmill), an MSI K8N Neo4 F and 1.72V (real vcore slightly higher probably) on stock cooling probably half killed my imc and for an easy RMA I have to completely kill the cpu.
When I say the imc half died I mean that it had problems running 2 dimms even in stock settings.
Boot attempt (everything stock) with 2 dimms = beeps and nothing on screen.
Repositioning dimms or puting only one boots ok.
After some time with 2 dimms running computer turns off and won't boot if I don't remove one dimm. Tried different dimms and had identical behavior. Isn't that a dying imc/cpu?
One more proof is that when my venice repeatedly didn't boot, I put an other 3000+ venice without clearing cmos or changing anything else and it boots perfect. This venice now works on another mainboard with 2 different dimms and there are some rare BSODs on a super stock configuration for office use with clean installation of xp pro. I believe that this cpu needs RMA but please tell me if you agree or not.
If you agree it needs RMA, can you tell me a good way to completely kill the cpu without leaving marks?
Vapor
12-15-2005, 06:48 PM
If it doesn't work as guaranteed (as is the case), that is basis enough for RMA. Intentionally damaging a product, regardless of its current condition should not be tolerated.
freeloader
12-15-2005, 06:48 PM
You shouldn't have to kill it. Just tell AMD what it's doing and the steps you've taken to remedy the problem and they should issue you an RMA.
why is there a need to intentionaly damage the cpu?
And you were running over 1.72v on stock cooling? That's borderline irresponsible to RMA right there.
ION84
12-15-2005, 07:48 PM
Guys look things are not so simple. I had my venice 3000+ and an opportunity to exchange it with an other 3000+ for free. So I had to find which one of the two was a better overclocker. I didn't have much time to do tests so I wanted to see max post on stock vcore, max post on my board's biggest vcore, max freq get into windows, temps on those settings etc. The time my venice was at 1.72 was only a few minutes but is seems those minutes where enough to damage the imc.
Now the reason for wanting to completely kill is very simple: If I go to the local store with a completely dead cpu, they will let me instantly buy something with the same money the venice had cost me. But if I go there with a cpu that seems to be working, then I will have to convince them that it's faulty and that will be a big problem because they hate replacing anything. If I go there with a dead cpu, my problem will be solved in one hour and I will be able to get anything costing those 150 euros I had paid or even something more expensive if I pay the difference.
I am not going to do anythinh illegal or something bad. I just want to RMA a faulty cpu without wasting time.
Can someone help me kill it? :)
Forum policy #10
10. Theft, Fraudulant activities & RMA's
The management of this Forum does not condone theft, trading in stolen property, fraudulent return of merchandise, or the aiding and abetting of those who do. Any such discussions regarding stolen property or fraudulent returns will be dealt with swiftly, and the offending member risks complete loss of membership privileges in our Forums.
What you're suggesting does fall kind of under that but that's not for someone other than a moderator to decide.
Eldonko
12-15-2005, 08:07 PM
No one here is going to help you kill it bud. Just RMA it as it is and be honest about it; AMD will help you.
ION84
12-15-2005, 08:11 PM
OK I was just trying to find an easy way to deal with a stupid shop, sorry if I broke the rules. The sure thing is that the cpu IS faulty and it will be replaced either way, only my waiting time will differ. Anyway, maybe someone could help me confirm that the imc is actually damaged and I am not mistaken. I must also say that I first noticed the problem AFTER finishing my oc tests, when I had stock settings and errors in memtest etc. What should I do?
EDIT: flame and tip to kill a cpu removed
-saaya
ION84
12-15-2005, 08:51 PM
It seems I will just have to return the cpu and wait for the verdict from the super experts of the stupid shop :wth:
EDIT: tip to kill a cpu removed
-saaya
mnewxcv
12-15-2005, 09:39 PM
guys guys. no need to be sarcastic about everything, he is just looking to rma his chip. he made a big mistake with the voltage tho, but no need to jump all over him.
ION84
12-15-2005, 09:39 PM
The fresh cpu is not the one that was damaged. The damaged one is the one I already had for quite some time, and 1.72 on 5~6000rpm and arctic ceramique for one or two boot attempts is not as tragic as you describe it. A proof of this is that it was done on two cpus and one of them didn't have a problem. And I am telling you again that I did what I did and I noticed problems on stock settings the next day so I supposed afterwards that it was those 1.7 boot attempts that did it.
To be honest I haven't read this forum's rules carefully but I see now that personal insults are not allowed. It reminds me of young kids in school the way some people behave when they think that someone in a "noob".
EDIT: flame and tip to kill a cpu removed
-saaya
ION84
12-15-2005, 09:45 PM
guys guys. no need to be sarcastic about everything, he is just looking to rma his chip. he made a big mistake with the voltage tho, but no need to jump all over him.
Thanx for understanding, some peoples' welcoming of a new member was very dissappointing.
Alright, alright, maybe some of this stuff was uncalled for. But what'd you expect? I mean, you put way more voltage than is safe (even for watercooling, much less stock air) through a chip -- an inarguably stupid move. Then you ask for help in intentionally destroying the chip that your screwup -- not the manufacturer's -- damaged, so that you can get a new one, for free, more easily.
Why don't you just smash it with a hammer?
ION84
12-15-2005, 09:55 PM
OK you infallible people, forget about helping me if it is so much wrong. I am reading the threads here for some time and I 've seen worse but anyway, I 'll just take a dfi expert to do the job (just joking :)).
i found nemo
12-15-2005, 10:21 PM
disgrace all over this thread
Just send it to AMD, i had a buddy that rma'ed his 3800 manchester because he wanted a toledo. Of course they did not give him a toledo, but they did send him a brand new manchester...
they are very understanding, just reuqest an RMA and they will hook you up.
Dissolved
12-15-2005, 11:07 PM
This thread will get locked.
this is a overclocking forum.
We should not help you kill a processor.
Im pretty disappionted in the members above giving you ideas.
This is called fraud, its illegal, unmoral, imature, and stupid.
You RMA through AMD, not your stupid little shop. If this shop is stupid, why you giving them your money?
:slap:
rick_fx
12-15-2005, 11:14 PM
If you agree it needs RMA, can you tell me a good way to completely kill the cpu without leaving marks?
Read the forum policies :fact:
Edit: What "Dissolved" said above
SamHughe
12-15-2005, 11:24 PM
If you agree it needs RMA, can you tell me a good way to completely kill the cpu without leaving marks?
I think you are in the wrong forum. It's very unlikely you'll get any advise on an illegal thing like this. Sorry to hear you're having trouble running your cpu but, hey life is a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:! And we're talking about a venice 3000+ here, not a fx-57 or an opty 180. So your loss is not terrible. And it is completely your fault! So, get over it!
Ok folks, there are WAY to many people here pushing their luck here.
1st off, I would suggest nearly everyone in here read the forums rules. This thread is full of fraudulent RMA discussion it is also full of flaming.
2nd off, dead thread.
IFMU
saaya
12-16-2005, 01:59 AM
ION84, we are taking this very serious here on xs as its a thing of honor not to fake any rmas. its hurting the manufacturers and in the end its hurting all customers of that manufacturer as increased rmas mean they increase their prices. there is no such thing as free cpus, if you fake an rma to get a new cpu you make everybody else pay for it.
faking an rma is morally wrong and illegal, you read the forum rules and you read the part about the rma discussions and kept asking for a way to kill your cpu and fake an rma! so you knew it was against the forum rules at least then if not before but ignored it.
thats why im sending you on a 3day vacation.
Vapor, freeloader, 3NZ0, aMp, Poki, Eldonko, i found nemo, Dissolved, rick_fx and SamHughe, im proud of you guys for standing up and acting responsable about this :toast:
everybody else who either tried to help him kill the cpu or made fun of him or insulted him :slapass:
i removed your posts. flaming somebody wont be tolerated, regardless of how stupid somebody may be or act.
im dissapointed in you... now put on the silly hat, go to the corner and be ashamed of yourself! :D
now seriously, please dont insult anybody or make fun of somebody like this.
im going to leave this thread here for everybody to see that we take this very serious. manufacturer representatives are reading this forum as well, and this gives them a very bad impression of the enthusiast community and might make them enforce more strict rma policies and push higher prices or offer less overclocking features wich will hurt all of us.