1700+ JIUHB 52 week madness!

[morphling1]

Fellas today I went to our local computer store, to check their cpu inventory a little, I was looking for 1800 and 2100+ tbreds. Well 1800+ were tbredA and 2100+ was still old palomino core. But then I noticed brown 1700+ and check their stepping, yep real tbred B. So I said what the heck and bought one they were dirt cheap (65$) especialy for Slovenia where prices are aprox 30% higher then in US. Of course I didn't wait a second to try it. Jump start with 2V went into windows 11*180 and then started oc. with prime95 running, what can I say I soon reach the limit of my memory with 195*11, still rock stable. Ok restart change mp to 12 fsb still 180 so that's 2160 MHz. Start prime95 and set fsb and again started rising the fsb to whooping 191 MHz still 100% prime95 stabl, that my friend is 2301 MHz out of 1466 MHz cpu, all I can say is WOW that is 2.8 cents per MHz talk about bang for a buck :D :D
A lot of that is because of my new waterblock in that I'm 100% sure.
I JUST LOVE AMD :toast:

I'll post some screen shots later

[N8]

Congrats morphling1! Sounds like a killer chip :D

[tweaky]

OMG that is truely awesome my friend :toast:

Now don't come back until you have broken the 1Ghz overclock barrier :D

[morphling1]

Hehe thanks N8, but I don't think it's just single chip that good, they had a 10*4 plate of them and they were all the sam except serial number, and I'm sure all can hit about the same.
Roger that tweaky, you want stable clock or flash overclock, I still got 0.2 V left on my mobo and if I just open the window to my room to cool that water of my a little more... I would say piece of cake :D :D

[N8]

1GHz OC on an AMD, that will be very nice :D

[GreenBeret]

Very very very very very nice !!! :D

Now I can't wait till the vendors in Australia get the low-end TBred-B's (1700+~2100+) in stock so that I can go back to AMD :p hehehe

[Ragnarok]

lol tempting :)

why not get best of both worlds?

AMD and Intel

[spaceboy]

1800+@2.3 @2.0V? :)
hope my friend Dane gotta one of these ;)

[N8]

spaceboy,

*cough* 1700+ *cough* ;)

[Tweaked!]

Nice numbers there Morphling:)

[RichBa5tard]

Wow, great bang for the buck indeed. :o

How high can you get it stable on a more healthy voltage for everyday use?

[N8]

morphling1,

I hope you remember the 30-minute update policy :p :D

[morphling1]

You guys won't believe what I'm about to post, just a some more iterations in prime95 just to rub it in :D

[Liquid3D]

All I can say is; I WISH, there was a decent PCparts store out here on the Island of Newport. NYC two hours South, Boston 90Min North, and I'm stuck in the middle with a Radioshack, Helly Hanson, and Oysters cooked 17,000 ways, but no dam chips!

AMD has definately found a "sweet spot" in these lower MHz TBreds, OMG that is less then 1/3rd of the cost of my 2400, yet seems to have 300% more headroom! Congratulations, and thanks for the tip.

[GreenBeret]

Originally posted by morphling1
You guys won't believe what I'm about to post, just a some more iterations in prime95 just to rub it in :D

Did it lock up ? :p

[N8]

Liquid3D,

I have the same problem in Harrisburg, PA :)

Makes me wonder if I shouldn't go ahead & open one ;)

[morphling1]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

2.1 V @ 2524 MHz prime95 stable 14 degrees centigrate water.
44 degrees on die diode temperature, pretty good for tbred core cpu.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/1700+.JPG

Spaceboy, are you talking about Dane that I chat on msm with ?

Oh yeah I forgot, it locked couple of time on me but not because of the cpu, but because of radeon 9500 can't handle high FSB. And I pretty much hit every limit here because that is about as much as my ddr can handle on agressive timing and my multiplier is stuck at 12.5, icredible feeling to find the limit of the mobo and video card :D

[N8]

VERY nice! If you hit the limit on FSB & mult, now its time to play w/ voltage. This will pretty much tell you if you've got anymore headroom :)

P.S. You've got MSN messenger? If you run it often add me (nmeily2@yahoo.com) will save my PM box, LoL ;)

[morphling1]

It's cool for now, this will do for 2,4 GHz 24/7 folding :D
I'm currently also on 2815 bios so my memory is pretty much maxed out. I'll try some GF4 action on weekend that isn't bothered by high fsb and some other bios. Let some fresh air in and 2600+ here I come.
And N8 I'll put you in my msm as soon as I'm back to xp :)

[gallij]

hey, question. I'm probably getting my 1700 tbred (possibly B) today, and I was wondering what voltage is reasonably safe for it to last a while. I'm willing to go up to 2.0 or 2.1 volts (I have an 8RDA also), but what is safe, if I keep it at that, will the chip only last 6 months?

[GreenBeret]

awesome OC morph congrats ! :) You need a new mobo :p one with higher multiplier and AGP lock :)

[Jeff]

That's an incredible overclock!!! :eek:

:banana:

[N8]

You need to go buy another 1 & see if it OC's so well, morphling1. Perhaps you drew a luck chip :)

[morphling1]

I never realy had much luck with chips, I rather rely on cooling, I'll try to get two more chips on friday if they'll have any left. One for me for my old 8kha+ mobo, and one for Bravo ;) and then I'll know If I just hit jack pot, or the answer lie in that small piece of copper ;)

[N8]

lol

/me hopes its the copper & not the chip :p

[DeBastaard]

Holy §§§§ man!!! Damn i think i'm gonna buy one of these ... Sjeez!! 2.5GHz =] omg that's a 1ghz OC...

Really, really nice oc man! Gratz! :D

Maybe i just read over it, but what mobo and mem do you have? :D

[N8]

I believe he's using an 8K3A & Corsair XMS3200C2 :)

[DeBastaard]

damn, well i think my KT400 would handle it, only i've lost thrust in my Samsung memory, i think 'DTM' on the chips means "Bad memory" :/

[spaceboy]

Originally posted by morphling1


Spaceboy, are you talking about Dane that I chat on msm with ?


Yes! Dane from Gorizia

Great oc man ;)
i wanna one of those cpu ;):slobber:

[BradMax]

Whats the manufacturers code on the box? I can find one 1700 that starts with AXDA1700 and another that begins with AX1700 dont know if that makes a difference? just that the T breds seem to start with AXDA right?

[morphling1]

Originally posted by spaceboy
Yes! Dane from Gorizia

Great oc man ;)
i wanna one of those cpu ;):slobber:

And you, close to Slovenia ?

BradMax, this should help ;)
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/amd.GIF

[Atlantis]

V.core at 2000 mhz?

Thanks:)

[BradMax]

Originally posted by morphling1
And you, close to Slovenia ?

BradMax, this should help ;)
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/amd.GIF

Thats pretty cool why 2 2600's is one the 266 and one the 333

[morphling1]

Originally posted by BradMax
Thats pretty cool why 2 2600's is one the 266 and one the 333

Yes.
Atlantis it would be a lot easier if you ask me what MHz at yx voltage, but I'll try to answer you a little later

[morphling1]

1,7 V work flawlesly at 2000 MHz :)

[stergiopilus]

morphling1: Have you tried any other BIOS's for the 8k3a? Because the 2815 is the most aggressive BIOS but it doesn't like high FSB's. Try the new 2B01 BIOS, i seem to overclock the FSB the furthest with this BIOS.

Very nice overclock. I thought it was only possible with intel to get a 1GHz overclock.

[TodB]

Furthermore on 1700+ TbredBs: A friend of mine got 1700+ AIUGB "4" 0248, almost like mine 0245 AIUGB "4"....

Right now he's runnin' 2400MHz/1.8V on AIR - AKASA HS + Sunon 50CFM FAN..... now that's a killer CPU....

[morphling1]

Yikes, :D like I said this is not as close as being the best stepping but it still overclock insane.
So the search for aiugb is on:toast:

[DuraN]

OMG im off to the komplett store on saturday or something, im tired of this RIRGA 1800+ :)

Nice oc morph, WTG!! :toast:

[Emericana]

you are incredibly lucky. my JIUCB 51 will only do 1930mhz w/ 1.85v

[buff]

where can we buy these?

[Liquid3D]

I have to say it's luck of the draw. Although AMD has definately hit on a formula here, I just don't think were gonna get these in the States. What somebody ought to do is send you $500 and get a "bakers"dozen!
If I had the cash I'd Western Union it to you yesterday!:slobber:

[morphling1]

Originally posted by Emericana
you are incredibly lucky. my JIUCB 51 will only do 1930mhz w/ 1.85v
What kind of cooling ?
A friend of mine who picked up the same batch cpu, is also at more then 2200 MHz @ 2V and he has inferior water cooling then I do.
Buff, Slovenia exclusive :D hehe just kidding

Btw guys I flashed to 2b01 bios set command rate to 2t and guess what 100% stable at 2602 MHz @ 2.1V 15°C water
I did few runs of 3dmark :
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5649654

And here is the money pic. :D
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/1700+%202.JPG

Does anybody bet I can hit 2.7GHz 3dmark stable if I just cool that water a little more :toast:

[CeeJay]

After 2.7 Ghz what is the next goal ?
A 100% overclock ? ;)

BTW that Radeon 9500 you had .. have you tried modding it to a 9700 with Soft9700 ?
That should really help the 3Dmark scores pick up.
Also installing DirectX 9 and the 3.0a drivers should help.
And ofcourse overclocking the card.

I'd also like to see 3Dmark scores with the Geforce4 watercooled.

[Ciesko]

Whoaaa, impressive clock Morphiling!!

Here i've a 1700+ JUCB 0251..

Waiting for KD7-E...

[morphling1]

Originally posted by CeeJay
After 2.7 Ghz what is the next goal ?
A 100% overclock ? ;)

BTW that Radeon 9500 you had .. have you tried modding it to a 9700 with Soft9700 ?
That should really help the 3Dmark scores pick up.
Also installing DirectX 9 and the 3.0a drivers should help.
And ofcourse overclocking the card.

I'd also like to see 3Dmark scores with the Geforce4 watercooled.

Yes I did soft mod it and it worked 100% artifact free, but it wasn't my, just got it for test. Btw. I must test one theory this weekend, one guy will bring me his moded 9500 which artifacts, so I'll know if that is the case, when doing it properly. I don't believe that broken pipes mumbo jumbo. The problem is 100% somewhere else. Gf4 watercooled scores are coming soon :D

Oh yeah friend ask me that he want one of those cpu too, so we went there and picked the last two out of remaining three :
It's JIUHB 0251 so I'll see where this one goes.
Btw I'll test it on air but I must make air cooler first, watch out as I'll go into undiscovered land of air cooling :D

[dropadrop]

It would be nice to see what you could do with that chip, and a prometia! :)

[CeeJay]

If you can find some way to get rid of the artifact that some people are having then you'll surely be a hero to many of them.

Air cooled results would be interesting too.
Since this is a budget chip I believe that many will be interested in using budget cooling .. or at least cheaper than water or prometia/vapochill.

And dropadrop makes a good point .. how far do you think it might be pushed with a prometia ?
Is the 100% overclock in range ?

[morphling1]

No idea how far with prometeia, but I tell you one thing, my waterblock is a lot more effiient with heat transfer then prometeia evaporator, so If I can cool my water in the range of 0°C, I would say I'm about 10°C off the prometeia maybe even less.

[Bravo]

Originally posted by morphling1
No idea how far with prometeia, but I tell you one thing, my waterblock is a lot more effiient with heat transfer then prometeia evaporator, so If I can cool my water in the range of 0°C, I would say I'm about 10°C off the prometeia maybe even less.

I doubt this. The best block on the market only provides 16C above water temps.

[morphling1]

Bravo, Prometeia evap temp is aprox -30°C right, how much do you think it's internal diode temperature of overclocked athlon tbred cpu, I doubt it's much lower then -5°C, depends a lot on voltage of the cpu but in the same conditions there is no way you can compare heat transferr ability of let say micro channel water block to something like thick base copper evaporator, so the difference wouldn't be that great if you can cool water to ~0°C

[Hognert]

That chip seem to overclock just as well if not even better than my 2400+ AIUGB. Damn impressive I must say :). Try it with higher voltage, many of em like it best at 2,2V+.

[bldegle2]

Don't even go there, there is not a waterblock out there that can come close to the chilling these units can put out.

Running stock, my 2700+ will run at -24*c, right now, clocked as shown in sig, -10*c.

Now, if you can claim -10*c, then maintain it for the whole day, lets say gaming, then you have a righteous water cooling rig, of course, antifreeze will be needed as the water will freeze sooner or later at these temps

my 2700+ maxes @2940, i can do it one of three ways, 13x223, 15x196, 22x134 with my 8k3a+.

I am running very stable, thank you, at the settings shown in sig.

And, for those of you with video tearing, the better your ram, the higher you can go without tearing, but sooner or later, it comes to bear.

Just my input on the whole situation.

baldy

;)

[KnightElite]

Originally posted by BradMax
Whats the manufacturers code on the box? I can find one 1700 that starts with AXDA1700 and another that begins with AX1700 dont know if that makes a difference? just that the T breds seem to start with AXDA right?

That is correct. Thoroughbreds start with AXDA, Palominos with AX.


Amazing clockage morphling1.... I want a new CPU now :D.

[spaceboy]

Originally posted by Bravo
I doubt this. The best block on the market only provides 16C above water temps.


:stick:
at what voltage?

[Iolao]

[OT]
morphling: did you read my email?
[OT]

[STEvil]

:banana: :smileysex :slobber:

omg.. I need to get one of these... Gonna have to run a high multi with my PC2100 ram, though.. unless 3v can get my ram past 170+.. heh 8-)

768mb (3x256) Micron 7.5ns.. 8-/

[Bravo]

Originally posted by spaceboy
:stick:
at what voltage?

Offhand, it was 2.15v to simulate a 125watt heatload.

[Liquid3D]

Of course it's up to you morphling1, but if your intent is to push the chip as far as it will go, that may eventually lead to it's damage. It is a gem, I'd be happy with >3000+ CPU performance for $69. Of course it's not called Xtreme Sys... for nothing. If your going to push the chip to it's maximum then LN2 is the next step, eventually discussing Flourinert FC-70 applications (Doh, I just did);
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/electronics_mfg/electronic_materials/node_F96WJJ4NWFbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_2FCSL3BCQXge/gvel_P740QT8KWHgl/theme_us_electricalmaterials_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

Great sig. STEvil!

[morphling1]

Originally posted by Iolao
[OT]
morphling: did you read my email?
[OT]

No, not yet I'm not in my working OS. and I don't have outlook set up, I'll read it tomorrow.

bldegle2, I didn't talk about maintaining water temp whole day, that would be of course whole different story involving some phase change chiller. But I wanted to say if you would have water that temp. it would be very close to prometeia performanse.
As for keeping cpu at some temp it's all about cpu heat output and how efficient is your cooling equipment. (C/W) at ambient temp.
Ambient temp with prometeia is temp inside evaporator, and ambient temp with water block is of course temp. of the water.
Abiente temp diff. is strongly on prometeia side, but C/W of hiQ water block is a lot better then evaporator, and then also don't forget that heat transefer is much better from solid to liquid then from solid to vapour. All in all the difference should not be that big.
I'm not doubting prometeia as being the best cooling equioment available mainstream, but I do believe that some hi performance chiller could is not that far back.

[morphling1]

Originally posted by Liquid3D
Of course it's up to you morphling1, but if your intent is to push the chip as far as it will go, that may eventually lead to it's damage. It is a gem, I'd be happy with >3000+ CPU performance for $69. Of course it's not called Xtreme Sys... for nothing. If your going to push the chip to it's maximum then LN2 is the next step, eventually discussing Flourinert FC-70 applications (Doh, I just did);
http://products3.3m.com/catalog/us/en001/electronics_mfg/electronic_materials/node_F96WJJ4NWFbe/root_GST1T4S9TCgv/vroot_2FCSL3BCQXge/gvel_P740QT8KWHgl/theme_us_electricalmaterials_3_0/command_AbcPageHandler/output_html

Great sig. STEvil!

Don't worry I'm only into watercooling, and I know where to stop :D

[STEvil]

When you get a 100% oc to make the Celeron 300/333a's and P4 1.6/1.8's look bad..? 8-)

Sig needs updating.. stuff came in mail.. gotta test the 9500 yet, though.. cant install it on this puter.. 8-/

[Liquid3D]

By the way I just wrote a short Email to Ed Stroligo at Overclockers.com pertaining to his articles addressing the difference between J and A steppings among TBreds; their implications, and origins. He makes the following statements in his artcile titled "Just not good enough for overclocking." 1/13/03;
"This could change, but for now, I think you have to treat chips beginning with "J" as Just not good enough for high-end overclockers.

There is nothing wrong or evil with AMD selling these chips; I'm sure they work perfectly fine at their rated speeds, and that's 98-99% of AMD's market.

These chips are supposed to be the next Durons, anyway, so AMD can end up with plenty of these for some time to come with no problem.

What would be wrong is you buying one. At least AMD is nice enough to provide an indicator that these aren't primo chips. You ought to take advantage of that."

I think your JIUHB wonder-chip replaces the "J" in his article's title"Just not good enough..." to the J in Juxtapose; from "low-end" to "high-end" TBred's as he describes them in his most recent article of 1/15/03 titled "High Breds and Low Breds."

[STEvil]

If has to eat his words, does that mean he gets to eat a Spitfire or a Morgan? 8-)

[morphling1]

JIUHB week 51 update, friend of my who bought one of the last chips from that batch, overclocked his 1700+ to 2300+ MHz @ 1.85V VOLCANO 7+ 100% stable, if that mean not good enough for highend overclockers, than I don't know §§§§ about watercooling :toast:

ps. I'll try my second chip tomorrow, but it was the same as his just next serrial number.

[KnightElite]

Originally posted by STEvil
If has to eat his words, does that mean he gets to eat a Spitfire or a Morgan? 8-)

Spitfires look more appetizing, I think.... ;). Though if you eat a Morgan, then you get more transistor-full goodness....

Tough choice, either way :D.

[NoOne]

Originally posted by STEvil
If has to eat his words, does that mean he gets to eat a Spitfire or a Morgan? 8-)

Hi..

i have and XP1700+ B JIUGB week 51..
This chip is very good.. my temps was amazing for a COOLER MASTER :)

39ºC Idle
40ºC Full Load
Ambient: 36ºC

[Diablo II]

truly amazing chip man :toast:

[RaV[666]]

Yeah ,i too think that "J" team ;) isnt that bad afterall, mine JIUGB does 2100mhz ona alu Air cooling with 1.825v, for 60$ bucks its the best stuff you could buy :cool: ,intels cost 3x times more and they overclock relatively similar so :banana: :)

[STEvil]

Morgan would be easier on the teeth, too.. that ceramic stuff might be a tad tough.. 8-)

Anyone wanna drop 2.2v into theirs yet? I would if I had one.. but im a little broke until I sell off a few vid cards, lol 8-)

[morphling1]

I'm reaching the limits of my memory in mobo here :)

http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/2710.jpg

And 3dmark score that sucks but never the less it made at 2733 MHz. http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5664469

Once more this is 1700+ that shouldn't be good :banana: :D

Btw, I had cpuid screen shoot at 2825 MHz of course unstable but I lost it, I'll make new, tbred optimized waterblock tomorrow, that I hope will drop my temps ~ 5°C and then try again, 2900 cpuid shoot would very well be possible if I would have larger multiplier.
Is there any way I can have more then 12.5 on 8k3a ?

[N8]

WOWIE! :slobber:

[N8]

There is a way to short a L3 & get 13x...but then you get only 13x(Hell, might be other ways of shorting to get other high mults). Of course it can be reconnected on top of the CPU :)

[Jeff]

Holy Smoley!!! :D

That is summmmmm chip you have there. :toast:

[morphling1]

Originally posted by N8
There is a way to short a L3 & get 13x...but then you get only 13x(Hell, might be other ways of shorting to get other high mults). Of course it can be reconnected on top of the CPU :)

Is this the only way, 13 locked or 12.5 unlocked, damn
Btw. I need more voltage to chipset and agp, you hear anything from DDTUNG about that I need both of them bad :) , I/O voltage is on 3.2V right now and 3.4 would be perfect

[JCviggen]

morphling,

great core, you lucky #@! ;)

So far most of the crappy J cores have been with -C or -G and they really dont seem to be that great, around 2-2.1G aircooled.
You have a -H one which seems to be a lot better. But I wouldnt go out and say there are a lot of these J CPU's which are this good or even close.... i'd take an A- CPU every day if I had to take my chances!

[X Men SS]

Wow 1700@2.7GHz+ :eek: !

Congrats, morphling ...

BTW do you have pics of your current cpu wb ???

[morphling1]

Hehe thanks, and I have one one the table that I'll air cool as soon as I make heatsink, and this will be my first air cooled machine in three years :D
And this is the main reason for my overclock:
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Unlocking%20xp/mk4/Picture%20034.jpg

[Bravo]

I take it back. With a design like that, it is possible to see the performance you are claiming (thought you were using an open channel block?

[X Men SS]

Looks like one killer wb :slobber: ... I would really like to see a comparision between yours and Cathar's White Water ... :)

What is the height of the fins and the base thickness, if it's not a secret of course ? Also what size is the tubbing 1/2" or 3/8" ?

[morphling1]

Hey talk metric, you're from Bulgaria :D
Currently 4mm fins 1mm base, that worked realy well on palomino core, tomorrow I'll try 4 and 2 for much smaller tbred.
As for comparison, I'm thinking of sending one to Bill for overclockers.com waterblock roundup, but I currently can't spare 100$ for that. A little later.

[X Men SS]

Ah, thanks for the info :toast: !

I'm sure yours will be one of the best, if not the best ;) ...

[Kato]

Holy.....oh my, 1200Mhz OC, what else can I say...
Wayne's vioce: ~I'm not worthy~~~~

[STEvil]

Whats the distance apart the mounting holes have to be? I have a few designs I want to build and have been unable to find the specs.. 8-/

Im thinking 70mm x 45mm by looking at the pic..? I will have my 8K3A+ in hand soon enough, but if I can get a head start on tearing my system apart, that would be a good thing.. thanks in advance.

[SKYNET]

:slobber: :slobber: my 1700+ go only to 2400MHz @ to 2.2V :( ........ I must one also in such a way have :slobber:

[Malecky]

Yes looks like we are very lucky in slovenia right now...

http://www.muha.cc/malecky/cool.JPG

this is with 1.96V cooled with a volcano 7...when I run Prime95 it freezes at about 55°C on my KX7 socket diode:(

still very very good... I will be trying a 100% OC next week if I get the mobo to do it..the cooling is a secret:cool:

[morphling1]

Originally posted by STEvil
Whats the distance apart the mounting holes have to be? I have a few designs I want to build and have been unable to find the specs.. 8-/

Im thinking 70mm x 45mm by looking at the pic..? I will have my 8K3A+ in hand soon enough, but if I can get a head start on tearing my system apart, that would be a good thing.. thanks in advance.

http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/holes500.gif

So 66*33mm is what I use for sckt. A

[kanedazan]

Ha ha ha, my poor xp2200 tbred B just hit 1900mhz, 45° with an alpha 8045...lol.
Now, I'm even wondering if I should not sell my 2200 to get one 1700,grumpf.

[VEG]

Holy "cow" :cool:

....Hmm may have to get one of them, to go along with my new water-cooling, just to save me until the Hammer

hows about 3ghz? lol :p

[morphling1]

New block getting ready :D
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=92240#post92240

[Milka]

morphling can you please post your full cpu code ?

[Scyphe]

Originally posted by KnightElite
That is correct. Thoroughbreds start with AXDA, Palominos with AX.


Amazing clockage morphling1.... I want a new CPU now :D.

*phew*...

Just checked komplett here in Sweden and found:

AXDA1700DLT3C

for app. €70

Tricky time now, the Bartons are almost on their way. Should I take a chance on the 1700+ t-bred B or wait for the Bartons? Decisions, decisions... ;)

[luihed]

Scyphe, You know that 1700 Is a tbred A and not a tbred B right. The Bs ends with D"U"T3C.

[morphling1]

Originally posted by Milka
morphling can you please post your full cpu code ?

That shoudl be visible right, I was wrong about week, it's was actualy 51 and as you see both cpu are almost identical 4 serial numbers apart
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Mk4/cpus.JPG

[STEvil]

Thanks for the diagram, morph.. 8-)

Are either of those for sale? Hehe 8-)

[NoOne]

My chip is similar.. but green :banana:

[Lithan]

Are you chilling the water? I remember seeing something about 15C water. How ya doing it? Also around how much it cost you to make one of those blocks? ;)

[Scyphe]

Originally posted by luihed
Scyphe, You know that 1700 Is a tbred A and not a tbred B right. The Bs ends with D"U"T3C.


Oops, thanks for telling me. Almost made a mistake there... ;)

[morphling1]

Originally posted by Lithan
Are you chilling the water? I remember seeing something about 15C water. How ya doing it? Also around how much it cost you to make one of those blocks? ;)

Just open window a little :D
For blocks PM if interested.

Little progress on my air cooling project I hope I'm finish it tomorrow so I can test overclockability of my second 1700+.
80*80 mm copper mamoth :rocker: :rocker:


http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Air%20cooler/MK%20air.JPG

[N8]

LoL, maniac! :)

[morphling1]

There's nothing better then SLK 800 (also unavailable here in Slovenia), so I guess I have to build it myself. I just love a good challenge :D

[N8]

Now you just need a SLK-800 for comparison :p

Maybe I'll have to get 1 to you someday ;)

[NoOne]

:D very good :D

[STEvil]

d'oh.. you should have made a slim fin copper version of the Thermalright AX7 or GlobalWin TAK68 with 80mm fan on top instead of sides.. hehe 8-)

[Craig]

I'm sure the air cooled rig will be interesting also for a comparison.

But what does your O/C stand at now with the latest block revision? Also water and CPU temps?

Is the cold weather holding up for you where you are?

Morphling1 : Going where no one has gone before on water.

:toast: :cool: :slobber: :D

[morphling1]

I took I little breather from overclocking, I need to make some blocks now :D In the mean time I'm folding at 2.55 GHz 2V 20°C water (new block) 36°C load internal diode (8k3a corrected).
I will be back, just finish new top for my GF4 water block so I'll put it in tomorrow than some real overclocking begins in w2k and cold air blowing on my heatercore :D :D

[Penti]

morphling1

That a hell of performance for a waterblock. I will be glad to see a test against cathars block. I think yours is beter. Wouldn't your c/w be around 0.10°C/W? Keep up the good work on your blocks =)

BTW this is my first post at xtremesystems =)

[morphling1]

Thanks, and Welcome to xtreme.
I reply you PM and I'm tomorrow I'll rerun my diode calibration calculations like I describe to you. With tbredB I would have much more accurate temps with any other board, but if that calculations work then I'll trust my 8k3a again, for now I rely on my stable OC: :)

[NoOne]

welcome :D

[STEvil]

Well, you could always set the processor up at the same settings in a diff puter and compare temps using the same cooling.. as long as your close it should be withing a degree or so..? 8-)

[FragBuckler]

wow, just noticed this thread ;)

AWSOME OC!!!!!! a 1422mhz chip doing 2700mhz+ incredible!

and i love you waterblock design too...any chance of more pics of it?

[STEvil]

Someone drop a vapochill/prommy on the thing already, or some LN2..! 8-)

[morphling1]

I couldn't wait until I was finnished, but my cutting tool became dull so I couldn continue but anyway here it is almost finished.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Air%20cooler/MK%20air%20003.jpg
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Air%20cooler/MK%20air%20004.jpg
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Air%20cooler/MK%20air%20005.jpg

Still need to make shroud and finish cross cutts
I'm just testing that other 1700+ I'm currently at 2250 MHz 1,85V air cooled prime95 stable :D pretty good temps are 33°C with 20°C room in socket diode on my old 8kha+ I will try higher overclocking soon with higher voltage too, but I need to unlock that 13 and up multy because I can't realy get stable past 180 on this mobo.

[NoOne]

goood temps.. :D
send one to me, ill test here in brazil with room temps at 40ºC :D

[morphling1]

Ouch 40°in the room, I would be melting, I feel hot if my room is 25°C :D
Here it is after one hour of prime 95 temp very good overclock stable. I couldn't take screen shot because I'm not connected with that computer and no floppy either so here the real screen shot :)
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Air%20cooler/testing.JPG

[N8]

Lookin good, lookin good! You definitely need a SLK-800 to toy w/...I want to see a morphling1 air-cooler vs SLK-800 :D

[NoOne]

:D

[PCGenious]

damn nice dude, you just made me order a tbred b.

[Oblic]

Do you change your fsb in windows ?

I have the same motherboard what program are you using?


Nice oc btw ;)

Have you done any vdd mod on the board? if sow what is it on ?

R

[morphling1]

SetFSB is the program to have if you have Epox mobo.
I did vcore mod on the board is that what you asked?
It's pretty simple, I can take pictures later if you want.

[Oblic]

ohh

I thought you had a Ep-8RDA+ :) nevermind

Why is the SetFSB so good ? To lazzy to oc do it in windows insted :>


R

[Bravo]

Set the voltage, prime, if it fails, drop it back. It is the most simple method of overclocking/testing, and cuts out shutting down/loading the bios/booting to windows.

[jmke]

softFSB is available for most Motherboards that have common chipsets.. KT266/AMD761/KT266A/KT333 etc etc

search these forums for more info

[NoOne]

search in google for "EPOX setfsb"

[N8]

SetFSB homepage:
http://www.page.sannet.ne.jp/k-hazama/software-E.htm

[NoOne]

morphing1, one question

i have a shuttle ak31 and an Tbread B1700+.. shuttle is holding me at 133mhz fsb and tbreadb at 12.5x,

Do you think ABIT KX7-333 cant take me to 2ghz ? i´ll use 166FSB and 12.5x multiplier

[N8]

NoOne,

"might" require a vcore mod dependin on ur chip, but that board will definitely do 166FSB w/o a problem :)

[Nordic]

Has anyone figured out how to modify the bridges/pins of TBreds with a default multiplier lower than 13x so that they are unlocked and the upper intervall is available for overclocking?

The solution to this would be to buy an XP2100+ at least, as it has a 13x multiplier. But I don't feel like spending the money when I know I can oc an XP1700+ to the same frequencies.

I have memory that is good for 200+ MHz at really aggressive timings and I'd like to use this performance and 12.5x to achieve 2.5 GHz, this is is just enough to push a good sample XP1700+ Tbred-B to the limit I guess. But I'm borderline .. I'd like to be able to experiment with higher multipliers if possible.

[NoOne]

My tbread runs fine at 2Ghz with default vcore :D.. but 200 fsb must rocks :D
Whel, lets spend more money :(

[g.l.amour]

i don't know how good there painting guide is to this specific topic

www.ocinside.de

they have a tbred painting guide. if u know the limit u can paint the dots to get a 13 x or 14 x as wanted.

[morphling1]

Originally posted by NoOne
morphing1, one question

i have a shuttle ak31 and an Tbread B1700+.. shuttle is holding me at 133mhz fsb and tbreadb at 12.5x,

Do you think ABIT KX7-333 cant take me to 2ghz ? i´ll use 166FSB and 12.5x multiplier

I don't know how the following problem stand in general, but I just talk to Spaceboy in he got major problem with his KX7 and tbred B, only 180 MHz fsb and random lockups in some apps. No problem with tbred A though, just something to think about.

That painting guide shoud be good, but for unlocking 13 and up on lower mp tbreds you need to cut the last L3 bridge or even better solder 100 Ohm resistor between AJ27 socket A pin on back of the mobo and ground. That was a tip by Nicozeg I'll try it today or tommorow I need to get soldering iron from a friend.

[NoOne]

Ok!
how can i cut one bridge?

[N8]

morphling1,

I've got a similar toy now ;)

If this thing clocks anywhere near my 2400+ I'll be extremely happy...don't really expect that tho. First testing will air-cooling w/ a Thermalright SLK-800 & a 48cfm fan. I'll report back :)

P.S. If I'm hijackin ur thread, I'll make another...but there are plenty of threads on these Tbred B's now so I figured I'd poke in here, lol

[morphling1]

Hey no problem, this thread shoud be for all 1700+ nuts out there :D

Report soon :)

[N8]

doing 3D @ 2.2GHz already no problem, not bad at all...lets see if it chokes soon. :)

[morphling1]

what voltage ? prime95 also stable ?

off topic: where did my folding banner go, I didn' change a thing.

[N8]

I put it to 1.9v right away, 12.5x166...just clockin w/ SetFSB right now, up to 180FSB so far seems stable...doing 3DMark loops. No Prime yet, I'll get to that yet...I never even Prime'd my 2400+ yet, I just know what it does 3D stable at.

regarding ur sig, change the "www.liquidninjas.com" in the link to "www.liquidninjas.net". There's a post in the folding forum about it...they can't have it on .com anymore & they're beta testing the .net one that's why it looks a little screwy right now. :)

Be back w/ more......like I said, just doin 3D for now. I'll know very soon whether it clocks like my 2400 or not ;)

[morphling1]

Thanks for exaplanation about banner.
So how much did your 2400+ go, is that what you have in sig max 3d benchable speed and at what voltage, same 1.9 V ?

[N8]

I must say, I am totally amazed. 12.5x190(2437MHz) was a piece of cake for this thing. I'm hittin a bit of a wall here @ 2500MHz...takin alot more voltage...unstable so far. I have to go to dinner w/ my wife, then I will try to see if I can do 2467MHz stable @ a decent voltage on air for a 1GHz OC on air. Surely can't wait to get this chip under my Spir@l...or another block, hint hint, hehehe, j/k :)

[N8]

ya 2400+ in sig is max 3D-stable speed. 2v to do that.

this 1700+ is def. the better OC'r...not by much, but hey, its a $49 CPU :D

[STEvil]

I cant wait to see what the 03## 1700+'s do.. if they are going to make any..?

[morphling1]

So exactly the same feeling as I have. Its' just incredible, what this chips can do and how quickly multiplier become bottleneck :D

I'm getting the hints, yours will be in the mail tomorrow ;)

[Craig]

I know you made some changes to get the highest performance on tbreds, will you need to do any further changes for it to work with a Barton when they come out?

[Penguin4x4]

I wanna see 3GHz! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[N8]

Well I think 1GHz OC will be prime stable on air. Was having some stability problems when I realized my 5v rail dipping to 4.7v? I was really baffled by that 1 as I had it set to 5.1v & it barely ever moved from that. Well, I shut down & tweaked it back up to 5.1 & now it just shuts right down upon load. I think it has taken a dump. Darn shame, I haven't killed any hardware in a looooooooong time. ;)

Oh well, off to diagnose :)

[N8]

Well, my Antec 400W PP-412X is dead as could be. System running fine again w/ a 250W Enlight, lol, but voltage rails dipping too low to get much stability. Now I will hafta order a PS & wait :)

Reckon Antec won't take this back w/ the "void if removed" label torn? ;)

[Scyphe]

Ouch... Hope you get a new PS soon.. ;)

[Craig]

Vantec 470 anyone???

Antec 400 R.I.P.

I'd guess you're more unhappy with the delay than the Antec's demise.

[STEvil]

Not for a while yet.. 8-(

I have to test a T-Bird 850, 1200, and a Duron 800 to see if they are dead first.. they all have slight chips oh the cores.. and im nearly broke.. 8-/

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by morphling1
No idea how far with prometeia, but I tell you one thing, my waterblock is a lot more effiient with heat transfer then prometeia evaporator, so If I can cool my water in the range of 0°C, I would say I'm about 10°C off the prometeia maybe even less.

Well after doing the numbers a 1700+@ 2.2V @ 2700 MHz puts out about 186W. Your runnin about 45C with 20C water, so your about 20C off. Still, 45C on die with a 186W load beats the hell outta a White Water Rapids,:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[SKYNET]

Originally posted by Penguin4x4
Well after doing the numbers a 1700+@ 2.2V @ 2700 MHz puts out about 186W. Your runnin about 45C with 20C water, so your about 20C off. Still, 45C on die with a 186W load beats the hell outta a White Water Rapids,:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

hehe, the CPU have over 200W :flame:

[Penguin4x4]

Is the stock voltage 1.5 or 1.65?

[SKYNET]

1700+ "B" = 1.6V ;)

[Penguin4x4]

D'oh!:D

[Penguin4x4]

Well, thats

[(2700/1466.666...) x ((2.2/1.6)^2)] x 49.4 = 172W

Unless I'm mistaken about the Maximum Power Dissipation?

--------------------------EDIT-------------------------------------------------

Well, I finally was able to find AMD's white papers, :rolleyes: and its

[(2700/1466.666...) x ((2.2/1.6)^2)] x 59.7 = 208W

And roughly

[X(208 - 30C)] = 50

Which equates to at least a .03 C/W Waterblock!!

:banana: :banana: :banana: :stick: :stick: :stick: :banana: :banana: :banana:

[morphling1]

You guys need to drop all those radiate heat calculators or similar and take a look at AMD specs sheets.
Heat output is directly dependable on voltage increase, that is correct but that does not hold any more for frequency increase, heat output just barely increase with the same voltage.
Ok lets do a little calculations, based on AMD specs for tbred B
1700+ 1.6V 1466 MHz max heat output 59.8W
2200+ 1.6V 1800 MHz max heat output 62.8W
so 333 MHz increase in frequency produce 3W of heat. So 1 MHz of frequency add 0.009W
Overclocking to 2700 MHz at 1.6V add another 11.10W + original 59.8W = 70.9W
Overvolting to 2.2V increases heat output linear by 37.5%
So my cpu at 2700 MHz and 2.2 V produce 97.48W and this is tha ball park we're talking about.

Craig, judging by the picture of Barton, it's only a little longer but the same width as tbred, so I won't have to change the design for it

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by morphling1
Heat output is directly dependable on voltage increase, that is correct but that does not hold any more for frequency increase, heat output just barely increase with the same voltage.

Somehow I'm always the last to know. Thanks for the heads up:)

[TodB]

Originally posted by morphling1
You guys need to drop all those radiate heat calculators or similar and take a look at AMD specs sheets.
Heat output is directly dependable on voltage increase, that is correct but that does not hold any more for frequency increase, heat output just barely increase with the same voltage.
Ok lets do a little calculations, based on AMD specs for tbred B
1700+ 1.6V 1466 MHz max heat output 59.8W
2200+ 1.6V 1800 MHz max heat output 62.8W
so 333 MHz increase in frequency produce 3W of heat. So 1 MHz of frequency add 0.009W

That's not exactly right..... if you look at document 25175 from AMD datasheets you'll see that 2000+/1.667GHz TbredB pulls out 61.3W of heat and 2400+/2.000GHz TbredB puls out 65.3W.... now that's 4W of heat, not 3..... but it's not as simple as that....

Those CPUs are NOT exactly equal.... another example - in the samo datasheet there are two types of 2000+ TbredAs, they run with different Vcore - 1.6V vs 1.65V but they are labeled to pull out the exact same amount of heat....

And believe me - one 1467MHz CPU won't "add" just 11W to its power consumption when overclocked 1300MHz more to 2700MHz.... it's not possible...

This is a semi-conductor technology, not maths.....

[morphling1]

You're right it's not math, but it it holds much better then linear increase in speed and heat output
skip 2400+
Lets take a look at 2600+
2133 MHz 1,65V 68.3W
Compared to 1800 MHz 2200+ that's 333MHz increase in frequency which like I said adds 3W
So 62.8+3=65.8 now here we also have increase in voltage so 65.8*1.65/1.6 = 67.85W so only 0.5 W off the correct mark
So if I'm of by lets say 5W at 2700MHz 2.2W that's nothing compared to 186W calculation right :)

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by morphling1
that's nothing compared to 186W calculation right :)

Hey, live and learn, right?

[morphling1]

But of course :toast:

[STEvil]

o.o

I think yours and cathars' blocks are doing pretty close.. but mines gonna make them wimper 8-)

Just gotta procure the materials.. stupid hobby shops in alberta.. 8-/

[Penguin4x4]

Originally posted by STEvil
o.o

I think yours and cathars' blocks are doing pretty close.. but mines gonna make them wimper 8-)

Just gotta procure the materials.. stupid hobby shops in alberta.. 8-/

:eek:

Can't wait STEvil :toast:

[STEvil]

I should mention that my pump is likely going to have a slight affect on the outcome.. being able to put forward some serious flow rate and psi for under $100 CDN.

I will have stuff up as soon as I possibly can, but my time to work on this stuff is a bit limited right now.. 8-/

[N8]

I've got a 450W Allied coming. Have 1 runnin my Duallie & its sweet. Adjustable pots & only $46 shipped :)

I don't think I'll buy another Antec PS...that thing died in only about 6-8 months :(

Now I'm getting anxious ;)

[BradMax]

Somebody posted a pic explaining the different steppings, but i cann ot seem to find it ? anyway if anyone knows what the manufacturing code for a t-bred 11700 or has that diagram can they please let me know!

ta

[N8]

A 1700+ Tbred B is AXDA1700DUT3C :)

[WannaGoFast]

Ordered 2 of these bad boys from New Egg last night.
Should be here early next week. Hope I see some similiar reesults with em :)

Peace

WannaGoFast

[TodB]

Originally posted by morphling1
You're right it's not math, but it it holds much better then linear increase in speed and heat output
skip 2400+
Lets take a look at 2600+
2133 MHz 1,65V 68.3W
Compared to 1800 MHz 2200+ that's 333MHz increase in frequency which like I said adds 3W
So 62.8+3=65.8 now here we also have increase in voltage so 65.8*1.65/1.6 = 67.85W so only 0.5 W off the correct mark
So if I'm of by lets say 5W at 2700MHz 2.2W that's nothing compared to 186W calculation right :)

I'm gonna say it just one more:

"one 1467MHz CPU won't "add" just 11W to its power consumption when overclocked 1300MHz more to 2700MHz.... it's not possible..." :rolleyes:

[BradMax]

Originally posted by N8
A 1700+ Tbred B is AXDA1700DUT3C :)

Athlon XP 1700+ 1.47Ghz SoA
Mfr code: AX1700DMT3C

Athlon XP 1700+ 1.47Ghz SoA
Mfr code: AXDA1700DLT3C

Any idea if either of these could be a t-bred?

[N8]

AX1700DMT3C = Pallie
AXDA1700DLT3C = Tbred A
AXDA1700DUT3C = Tbred B

Mind you AXDA1700DLT3C is what Newegg advertised, yet they shipped a AXDA1700DUT3C :)

[BradMax]

Originally posted by N8
AX1700DMT3C = Pallie
AXDA1700DLT3C = Tbred A
AXDA1700DUT3C = Tbred B

Mind you AXDA1700DLT3C is what Newegg advertised, yet they shipped a AXDA1700DUT3C :)

Thanks N8 :D whats the diff between and a&b?

[N8]

For me? About 400MHz of OC ;)

The B being the better choice of course :)

[BradMax]

Originally posted by N8
For me? About 400MHz of OC ;)

The B being the better choice of course :)

geee that is some difference!

[N8]

I can only hope they all clock so well...got 4 more comin :)

[BradMax]

Originally posted by N8
I can only hope they all clock so well...got 4 more comin :)

what the hell are you doing with all them?:confused:

[N8]

Replacing all the CPU's in my folders :)

[BradMax]

COOL

[kchip]

N8

You say you ordered 4 more from Newegg? When did you get the JIUHB 52 , or when did you order it?

[N8]

Ordered it last week, got it wednesday. Ordered the other 4 as soon as I saw how this OC'd...no idea whether they'll come from the same batch or not :)

[morphling1]

Originally posted by TodB
I'm gonna say it just one more:

"one 1467MHz CPU won't "add" just 11W to its power consumption when overclocked 1300MHz more to 2700MHz.... it's not possible..." :rolleyes:

Tod 2600+ 2133MHz cpu add just 8.5 W from 1466MHz, and that with running 0.05V higher at 1.6V it would add 8.25W that in 666MHz overclock times 2 that more than my overclock, and it would hypoteticaly add 16.5W you can increase that to 20W if you want but I'm still only 10W off at the most.
2700 MHz cpu at 1.6V based on same design would not produce more then 80W.

N8 I'm just scared how your folding numbers will go up with so many machines running 2.3 or more GHz folding non-stop, and not eve mention that you wouldn't get one high end cpu for that money :D :D
If that little cpu isn't a direct gift for overclockers from AMD, I don't know what is.

[HMB]

Voltage doesnt add linear so 186W may very well be correct. Nice oc morphling1, just ordered me a 1700+ JIUGB 0251. Hope I just get that prometeia soon and we might see 3GHz+ :banana:

When me and a friend LN2-cooled a duron 600 to 1521MHz we used two powersupplies in paralell to get sufficient current, one 2x300W server redundant powersupply and one enermax 431W. We were above 3V with it and the cpu radiated 248W. We couldnt get over 2,5Vcore with one powersupply so i think its safe to say that the cpu consumes more wattage than u think morphling ;)

[morphling1]

I think got that a little wrong, of course voltage add power linear. And as for total cpu output forget that 186W how do you think that some air coolers would handle that kind of load ? Because 2,2V and 2.5G was seen on air.
But forget that I don't wanna argue about that, I just know that this cpu just don't output more then 100W of heat even at 2.2V 2700 MHz, because my heatercore don't have any more problem cooling the water as it was with old palomino maybe even less. And that tell everything. Do you even have the idea what kind of heat flux would that be if cpu from 85mm2 would outputs 186W, no way in the world my block (or any other) is that good to keep cpu temps ~20°C above ambient with one 1000 l/h aquarium pump.
As for PSU I'm just testing them for our local hw site. 300W Enhance PSU didn't complain one bit when I tested at 2.1V 2500MHz together with 2 cdroms 4x120mm full speed fans (each 5W) fans one 80GB hdd, with 2hours of Tost loading
To bad BillA doesn't visit this forums :) I'm sure he would laugh at those numbers.

[pcoverclock]

Fantastic! Very cool oc! ;)

[Xizten]

Nice indeed.

Anybody know how the JIUGB chip clocks?

Cant get my hands on a HB in sweden jet :/

[HMB]

I didnt mean that the duron we overclocked radiated 248W, no way near, but the heatoutput DOESN'T add upp linearly (spellcheck plz?). When u increase the vcore the current also increases, thats why the heatoutput isnt linear against the vcore increase.

Xizten: www.overclockers.se has xp1700+ JIUGB, in case ur interested :)

[Xizten]

Originally posted by HMB
I didnt mean that the duron we overclocked radiated 248W, no way near, but the heatoutput DOESN'T add upp linearly (spellcheck plz?). When u increase the vcore the current also increases, thats why the heatoutput isnt linear against the vcore increase.

Xizten: www.overclockers.se has xp1700+ JIUGB, in case ur interested :)

i know, but i dont want to but it and found out that it sucks :) And i havn't got money for a 8rda+ jet :/

[morphling1]

Yes of course the current is in the equation too, but who knows how it changes, it doesn't necesary mean it increases too. I just looked at amd tech docs. and go from there and everything pretty much fits together the way I calculate.
Some computer engineer here, we need help :)

[Penti]

It should be 59.8*(2700/1467)*(2.2/1.6)² = ~208Watts
But that’s impossible because it would mean that an IRC friend would aircool an 117W processor with a old cooler master heatsink. That’s an all aluminium version.

So I'm really wondering how to calculate this.

Edit: morph cant u send a message på BillA? we really need to find out the real way to calculat how much the cpu outputs.

[Micutzu]

Theoretically the CPU should act as a resistive impedance , so you can calculate the power with the Power = (Voltage) squared divided by Impedance . Of course the impedance vill vary with the temperature , and it's not perfectly linear with the voltage , but it's a good approximation .
The other thing is that the impedance will also vary with the frequency (higher frequency = lower impedance) , but this isn't a linear variation either .

The 248W figure seems pretty belivable to me , the voltage was almost 2 times higher (wich would mean 4 times more power) and the CPU clock was almost 3 times the original one , so 3-4 times more power dissipated would look belivable .

[N8]

Stole the Allied 450W outta my duallie for now(don't worry folders, replaced it w/ a temp pos PS) & I'm priming right now @ 2437MHz, 1.95v :)

Wife away for the weekend, couldn't stand to let it sit all dern weekend! ;)

[Eclipse]

Hey guys, I don't upgrade much, but I decided to join the 1700+ t-bred "b" fun. Nothing compared to what the guys here get, but I'm proud of it.

[N8]

Lookin good! What stepping/week is that 1? :)

& what are your system specs? ;)

[Eclipse]

http://www.icronticforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45422

[N8]

Nice.....only 1.7v & crucial PC2100 memory :)

Very impressive :D

[Eclipse]

That's why I'm so surprised. I need an 8RDA+ with the PCI/AGP fsb lock

[HMB]

Originally posted by Xizten
i know, but i dont want to but it and found out that it sucks :) And i havn't got money for a 8rda+ jet :/ Why does it suck? The stepping or? JIUCB is the worst of the J-breds i've heard, and JIUHB the best. But i dont think the difference between JIUGB and JIUHB is very large.

[OliT]

I got my 1700+ Jiucb yesterday, up and running today, now @ 1900. My mobo isn't the best one, Msi Kt3-Ultra-Aru, but I'm gonna clock more ;)

[OliT]

Originally posted by HMB
Why does it suck? The stepping or? JIUCB is the worst of the J-breds i've heard, and JIUHB the best. But i dont think the difference between JIUGB and JIUHB is very large.

It can differ alot between one chip to another, you can get a really good Jiucb and a really bad Jiuhb too, even though Jiuhb's are the best.

[Oblic]

Originally posted by HMB
Why does it suck? The stepping or? JIUCB is the worst of the J-breds i've heard, and JIUHB the best. But i dont think the difference between JIUGB and JIUHB is very large.


Mine is good, I am on 2,2ghz with the JIUCB stepping but with 1,950Vcore (210x10,5). Im happy with allmost a 800mhz oc


R

[Mokemb]

i' ve got a 1700+ jiugb who run at 2500 at 2.40V ....100% of stability :D

http://site.voila.fr/mokembo/1700.jpg

[Xizten]

Originally posted by HMB
Why does it suck? The stepping or? JIUCB is the worst of the J-breds i've heard, and JIUHB the best. But i dont think the difference between JIUGB and JIUHB is very large.

I didn't say it sucked, what I ment was that i havn't seen any OCing of a "JIUGB" chip jet (havn't looked to hard...) and i don't want to buy one and found ot thats it's not good for Ocing.

[HMB]

Originally posted by Xizten
I didn't say it sucked, what I ment was that i havn't seen any OCing of a "JIUGB" chip jet (havn't looked to hard...) and i don't want to buy one and found ot thats it's not good for Ocing. Think of the J-bred as the higher AIUGB and like steppings, AIUCB clocks worst of eg 2400+, AIUGB in the middle and AIUHB overclocks the best. I think the JIUGB clocks inbetween CB and HB, but i guess we will have to see, if my JIUGB chip wont clock well ill just buy an JIUHB, cheap mofos these are yes :toast:

[TodB]

Originally posted by HMB
Think of the J-bred as the higher AIUGB and like steppings, AIUCB clocks worst of eg 2400+, AIUGB in the middle and AIUHB overclocks the best. I think the JIUGB clocks inbetween CB and HB, but i guess we will have to see, if my JIUGB chip wont clock well ill just buy an JIUHB, cheap mofos these are yes :toast:

"À" steppings are better than "J" ( excluding JIUHB ), but it also depends on the first symbol on the upper right row - the most of the chips are "9" but there are also "4" ( like mine ) which clocks better....

[HMB]

Originally posted by TodB
"À" steppings are better than "J" ( excluding JIUHB ), but it also depends on the first symbol on the upper right row - the most of the chips are "9" but there are also "4" ( like mine ) which clocks better.... I see no reason to disagree with u, do the J-breds have the same "4" or "9"? Would be nice if we could compare a few cpu:s with different numbers (J-breds that is).

[morphling1]

Ok, I did some modifications on cooling (back with two pumps) unlocked that 13 mp.
And here it is:
3D mark 2k1 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5740959)
Score nothing special as my timing are too relaxed, also a Gf4 just mildly oc ;)
Here is another set of 2705 MHz benchmarks at 2.1V 15°C water.
Damn it, I need more power for chipset my I/O is at 3.2V and that does not help my mem oc. :D

[morphling1]

Oh this is the first time I ran PiFast is that good ?

[N8]

What all is relaxed in ur mem timings? That 3D score should be higher I think :(

I see the 2T, but that's it. :)

[morphling1]

I was thinking cpu decode :), but I just saw that you used the same bios. Hmm, so something is not ok with score. 2t takes ~100 points, but you have much higher ddr clock, you have any score with same setting but lower clocks ?
Let me try few more things :)

[N8]

you mean DDR as in my video card? ya, just realizing this lol.

have you burned in that corsair yet? I would think it could do 1T @ 208FSB.

[Royal Oaks]

I noticed in your 3DMark publication it says AMD Duron processor. :confused: What is up with that??? Ohh well, I think your score should be higher too, maybe a fresh install of everything would change that. Good luck though, and keep her goin. :)

[N8]

Royal Oaks,
The ORB reads them as durons....look at my link in sig, same way.

morphling1,
I've got a new 1 to play with. Don't think it will be as great, but hey you never know :)
This is the one from Hong Kong...big thanks to DDTUNG & Hardass for getting it to me...just came in today & I just took it out of the package :D

[BrainStorm]

Originally posted by N8
Royal Oaks,
The ORB reads them as durons....look at my link in sig, same way.

morphling1,
I've got a new 1 to play with. Don't think it will be as great, but hey you never know :)
This is the one from Hong Kong...big thanks to DDTUNG & Hardass for getting it to me...just came in today & I just took it out of the package :D

N8, crank that sucker up! :D Although, I see it's a JIUCB, so as you say, may not oc as well. But it will be interesting to see!

[morphling1]

Hehe you got them comming from all over the world :)
But I doubt it will be something special first JUICB and then the cursed green color :D

I upped the ddr voltage a little so I can clock it to 700
Here is the new score at 13*200 2b01 bios cas2 2,5,2 1t
That's more like it, ddr oc. heleped a lot I'm practicaly at the same score even if my cpu is 105 MHz less and fsb 8 MHz less, 1t though.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5742684

Just to clear sometheng does 24/7 folding 3.1V counts as burn in, or is there some more specific program and method ?

[N8]

Couple things.

Have you tried just booting to 200FSB rather than booting @ 179 & using SetFSB. I'm booting my machine right up w/ this BIOS as between it & the WPC tweaks I been using, I haven't noticed it helping any by booting @ 179 & raising FSB.

How did you get 13? Did you blow that bridge? :)

Have you been using 3.2v on the Corsair? It loves voltage. I used Sandra memory burn-in on my memory. I looped it overnight, all night long. Let me tell you how much of a difference it made. When I first fired this rig up w/ the 2B01, I couldn't only get thru 3DMark @ 205FSB. Now I am getting thru it @ 213FSB...ALL timings aggressive, so I would say the burn-in helped quite a bit ;)

Burn that memory in! Use sandra memory burnin-in looped overnight :D

[mongoled]

N8
Your killing me here
:p
Waitin 4 your results

Got a friend going to a fair tomorrow so need as much additional info on steppings as much as possible.

So waitin on ya chip

Any feedback yet?

Cheers

;)

[N8]

Aww hell :)

I ain't even put that 1 under the HSF yet. Wasn't gonna today...maybe I will for ya, give me a bit ;)

[morphling1]

Originally posted by N8
Couple things.

Have you tried just booting to 200FSB rather than booting @ 179 & using SetFSB. I'm booting my machine right up w/ this BIOS as between it & the WPC tweaks I been using, I haven't noticed it helping any by booting @ 179 & raising FSB.

How did you get 13? Did you blow that bridge? :)

Have you been using 3.2v on the Corsair? It loves voltage. I used Sandra memory burn-in on my memory. I looped it overnight, all night long. Let me tell you how much of a difference it made. When I first fired this rig up w/ the 2B01, I couldn't only get thru 3DMark @ 205FSB. Now I am getting thru it @ 213FSB...ALL timings aggressive, so I would say the burn-in helped quite a bit ;)

Burn that memory in! Use sandra memory burnin-in looped overnight :D

No haven't realy tried booting at 200 I'll do that, voltage checked, L3 checked :D sandra mem burn will do. I guess folding is not realy that memory intensive, just cpu right
I'll report back with results ;)

[Royal Oaks]

Originally posted by N8
Royal Oaks,
The ORB reads them as durons....look at my link in sig, same way.


Yea that's what I'm sayin kinda weird. Ohh well, let me know how that 1700+ OC's, I am thinking of getting one of these from Newegg and testin it out. Also, I thought I read that you got 4 of these. ??? If so, which one is the best. I think so far the H is the best like everyone is saying, but I just wanna see if this is for sure. I might be ready to go with one of these real soon, and I would like to have a definite answer, or a consensus among the people here. :)

[BrainStorm]

Originally posted by N8
Burn that memory in! Use sandra memory burnin-in looped overnight :D

Yeah, that's how I lost my other stick of Corsair :D.

But better to find out that it's defective as soon as possible! ;)

[morphling1]

THIS IS INSANE !!!!!
2805 MHz water cooled and benchable :D
I put my case on the window to chill my water with some cold air.
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/window.JPG
It was aprox -2°C outside so my water temps under load was:
http://www2.arnes.si/~mlivak/Benchmarks/water%20temp.jpg

I bench in 3dmark, PCmark and sisoft sandra
Memory was very relaxed at cas2 3,6,3, 2t 2b01 bios, GF4 was at 330/660 so result are nothing special but the main thing is I finished them, if I'd have som kick ass memory that would handle agressive timings at that FSB and water cooling in GF4 results would be pretty high.
Here are the compare url's
For 3dmark (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5746496)
And PC mark (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm=1042564)

[morphling1]

And here for iceing on the cake :D

[NoOne]

O_O

Whoooooooooah!
Greeeeeeat job baby :D

[LBJGH]

Oh my eyes....!!! that is unbelievable... and to think I almost ordered one... I figured I could live with my 1600+ ... time to reconsider

[Diablo II]

REALLY INCREDIBLE!!! Imagine with prometeia, it's on the way for 3 ghz benched!!!

[STEvil]

Argh.. must.. find.. JIUHB 0252 9..

[pcoverclock]

ARGH! 2,8 Ghz??? Damn, GREAT CPU! :O

[kchip]

Morph ,

We hate you!:D

Is that @2.2 vcore?

[morphling1]

Don't hate me, this is more the results of low temperature and good cooling, then cpu. Don't get me wrong this cpu is great no doubt about that, but highest end AMD cpus would work even better. And thats's at 2.15V, 2.2V was worse.
No I'm only waiting for some -10 or lower temps to get that 100% oc. even if only CPUID shoot :D

[Lunatic]

omg really nice oc you got there m8 :). /me wants JIUHB but i cant find it :(. Send me one ;)

[morphling1]

If you can run at this setting then you can get to my oc. :D
Here:

[Lunatic]

i neeeeeeeed 1700+ jiuhb

[LBJGH]

Hey guys, I've been following this thread for a while and was wondering...

I've got an 8k5a2+ motherboard and a Radeon 9700pro. The 9700 limits my FSB to about 170mhz because the Radeon doesn't like high AGP frequency.

SO... even if I get a really good 1700+ I'd be limited to 2125mhz (12.5x170).

My buddy just did the wire mod to get the low multiplier with his 2400+ and 8k5a2+ ... would it be possible to do a wire mod to give the high multipliers?

That way I could get a 'good' 1700+ to run at 15x166 or 14x166.... just a thought.

[morphling1]

R9700 is good for about 195-200 FSB on 8k3a which is almost the same as 8k5a, for unlocking you need to cut the last L3 bridge, and if you want to switch back you can do mobo trick and solder 100 ohm resistor to pin AJ27 and ground on socket A (back of the mobo), you can then make like a jumper to switch between up to 12.5 MP and above 12.5 MPs
I did just that

[Xizten]

morphling1, go get urself some LN2 and spank that CPU to 3 ghz :]

[morphling1]

:D
I realy don't care too much about those 30minutes or shorter tries. I'm interested only in something that I can keep stable 24/7 overclocked and stressed. And for me that's only water cooling or phase change. So my next project would be to combine this two methods with high efficency water chiller, because I realy like the idea of temp controled water chilling where every major heats source is cooled.

Also I find out I was also way off with my heat output calculations. I appologise to those I tried to persuade :)
I find the realy good html heat calcutor refreshed regulary from cpu spec sheets and practicaly tested in controled enviroment, definetly bookmark material, also don't forget that 88% of max heat output, because that is aprox. what the most stressful programs can load cpu.
http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html
So 2.7 GHz 2.2V outputs (88%) 135W which is very believable.
Of course we musn't forget to use the real Vcore because, when loading no Vcore will stay at bios settings.

[Xizten]

Originally posted by morphling1
:D
I realy don't care too much about those 30minutes or shorter tries. I'm interested only in something that I can keep stable 24/7 overclocked and stressed. And for me that's only water cooling or phase change. So my next project would be to combine this two methods with high efficency water chiller, because I realy like the idea of temp controled water chilling where every major heats source is cooled.

Also I find out I was also way off with my heat output calculations. I appologise to those I tried to persuade :)
I find the realy good html heat calcutor refreshed regulary from cpu spec sheets and practicaly tested in controled enviroment, definetly bookmark material, also don't forget that 88% of max heat output, because that is aprox. what the most stressful programs can load cpu.
http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html
So 2.7 GHz 2.2V outputs (88%) 135W which is very believable.
Of course we musn't forget to use the real Vcore because, when loading no Vcore will stay at bios settings.

Ur right about the LN2 thing, thoug i think it would be nice to be a owner of a AMD 1700+ @ 3.0+ ghz, 24/7 or 30 min, §§§§ the same, I think it's still s quite nice feeling :)
I don't think that there is too many AMD chips out there that ever has been over 3.0 ghz.

[TodB]

Originally posted by morphling1

Also I find out I was also way off with my heat output calculations. I appologise to those I tried to persuade :)
I find the realy good html heat calcutorhttp://www.benchtest.com/calc.html
So 2.7 GHz 2.2V outputs (88%) 135W which is very believable.
Of course we musn't forget to use the real Vcore because, when loading no Vcore will stay at bios settings.

Don't mention it ;)

I thought that If I give ya that same link you'll see what was I talking about, but somehow forgot that thread and just came back to see what you've written :D :toast:

[LBJGH]

That's funny... both me and my buddy have a 8k5a2+. He has a AIW 9700pro and I have the 9700pro... both video cards chock on anything close to 75mhz AGP.

We are both using retail ATI cards... could this be the problem?

Originally posted by morphling1
R9700 is good for about 195-200 FSB on 8k3a which is almost the same as 8k5a,

[tediber]

wish me luck guys !! ... a local store here just e-mailed me they now got JIUHB 0302 ..... ii would've bought 2 of those 0251s but i guess i'll try out 1 of these JIUHB 0302 first .

[Penti]

Originally posted by morphling1
:D
I realy don't care too much about those 30minutes or shorter tries. I'm interested only in something that I can keep stable 24/7 overclocked and stressed. And for me that's only water cooling or phase change. So my next project would be to combine this two methods with high efficency water chiller, because I realy like the idea of temp controled water chilling where every major heats source is cooled.

Also I find out I was also way off with my heat output calculations. I appologise to those I tried to persuade :)
I find the realy good html heat calcutor refreshed regulary from cpu spec sheets and practicaly tested in controled enviroment, definetly bookmark material, also don't forget that 88% of max heat output, because that is aprox. what the most stressful programs can load cpu.
http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html
So 2.7 GHz 2.2V outputs (88%) 135W which is very believable.
Of course we musn't forget to use the real Vcore because, when loading no Vcore will stay at bios settings.

I earlyer calculate with the same formula as the benchtest site. So i don't see how you got 135W?
The formula is
Overclocked Watts = Default Watts * (Overclocked Mhz \ Default Mhz) * (Overclocked Vcore \ Default Vcore)²
That would be...
59.8*(2700/1467)*(2.2/1.6)² = 208.0847Watts 100% and 88% = ~183Watts

AMD says the cpu radiates 59.8W max at defualt settings... old 1700+ Tbred A would radiate ~49W max.

So explaine yourself

Hmm, if you got an 2600+ then 135W(88%) would be right but we were talking about 1700+ here and then its not the same thing!

[edit] i have now started a own thread about wattage calculations http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?threadid=8798 write some reponse

[STEvil]

Tedi - are those 03's 9, 4, or Y's?

I am interested in one of them, or the store where you bought them from.. 8-)

[tediber]

i don't know yet .... i'll be getting them tomorrow ..... and uhh i live in the philippines. which is close to malaysia (AMD) and intel makes CPUs here as well. as far as i can tell the salesperson e-mailed me they already have the t-bred B JIUHB 0302 ..... i was looking for d 0251 that morphling has.

[BrainStorm]

Originally posted by tediber
i don't know yet .... i'll be getting them tomorrow ..... and uhh i live in the philippines. which is close to malaysia (AMD) and intel makes CPUs here as well. as far as i can tell the salesperson e-mailed me they already have the t-bred B JIUHB 0302 ..... i was looking for d 0251 that morphling has.

It will be interesting to see what 0302s do. Let us know asap!

[NoOne]

how can i know if my is Y, 9 or 4 ?

[N8]

Look at the last CPU I posted a pic of...at the black label. It says AXDA1700DUT3C...to the right of that is a 9. That chip is a 9....though I'm not sure how critical this is :)

Edit: morphling1,
2.8GHz is amazing :)
You're so close to a 100% OC :D
I can't wait to get this thing under my waterblock now.....I hope its anything like urs ;)

[NoOne]

http://www.noone.hpg.com.br/proc.JPG

Its 9, right?
How bad/good this is? anyone know?

[tediber]

crank it up so we'll know how JIUGB steppings do

[OliT]

Yeah, we really want to know, Lot's of people in Sweden wanting to know too!

Edit: When do I stop beeing a new member? ;)

[N8]

9 means nothing to any1 who isn't guessing :)

JIUGB is interesting tho. Crank it up indeed :D

Edit:
I will try to test my JIUCB 0251 tonight. The other 4 1700+'s are scheduled to arrive tomorrow according to FedEx ;)