65nm presler 950es oc test on rad watercooling, 4.9G done !

[VictorWang]

Intel 950es 800fsb/4m L2/EM64T/VT/Dualcore/65nm
ASUS P5WD2 Premium
Micron DDR2 667 1G*2
AcBel 550w
12cm rad watercooling


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40389&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40392&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40387&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40390&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40391&stc=1

[VictorWang]

AMD's really got some trouble now............
2006's Intel ....... crazy !

[guess2098]

very very nice!!! love it heheheee

[bigjohns97]

got any 3d benchmarks?

[Welz]

Looking good bro!

[VictorWang]

very very nice!!! love it heheheee

3x :toast:

waiting for asus 975p for 5ghz with rad watercooling :woot:

[VictorWang]

got any 3d benchmarks?

too excite and haven't try any 3D bench yet , will be later on :banana:

[afireinside]

3 cores? :woot: any 32m?

[[XC] moddolicous]

Wow, nice initial results. Skip the water, jack the vcore up to 1.95, put it under LN2, and get 7ghz!. Cant wait for the 3d results. What video card are you gonna use?

[VictorWang]

Wow, nice initial results. Skip the water, jack the vcore up to 1.95, put it under LN2, and get 7ghz!. Cant wait for the 3d results. What video card are you gonna use?

I've tried 840xe 4.5G with 78gtx 512m, seems the result not good at AMD's platform :(

maybe, 6.5G's P4/PD needed for 3Dmark benching

or switch to Dothan / Yonah , crazy monster for 3D and Pi :banana:

[RoyaL]

big fight between Yonah and Presler/Cedar Mill

IMO AMD is lost.

[n00b 0f l337]

Why were you spinning her on only the 16x?

[Tibu]

Is this an Intel comeback a la nvidia coming from the 5xxx series?

[187(V)URD@]

big fight between Yonah and Presler/Cedar Mill

IMO AMD is lost.

I'll wait for benches before saying that :stick:

[VictorWang]

Why were you spinning her on only the 16x?
'cos my ram can just run 5-3-3-8-2 500mhz 2.3v stable :p:
300*16=4800mhz maybe the fastest way that my system runs :)

[don_vercetti]

run PCMARK!!! with three cores, it should ace that.

[VictorWang]

run PCMARK!!! with three cores, it should ace that.

sorry about my pictures, 3 pi_1m runs 1 by 1, not sync.

here are the single_pi_1m/dual_pi_1m/dual_pi_8m test for 950es :


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40395&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40396&stc=1


http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40397&stc=1

[olfen]

prime stable @?

[VictorWang]

prime stable @?

haven't tried yet :p:

[olfen]

hard to get the time:) I would love to see this with some cold:)

[eva2000]

woah nice :)

[perkam]

Nicey....how far did it go on air ??

Windows Vista...Nice
Windows Explorer.exe disabled...clever ;)

Perkam

[k|ngp|n]

Great stuff victor...these chips look strong. :toast:

[k0nsl]

I want to see 3D :)
Nice results so far!

-k0nsl

[Supertim0r]

they run colder than the prescott ?
nice stuff :cool:

[gloatlizard]

victor great job, a very interesting topic my friend

[kappa2001]

now i'm interested :D

get on to game benchmarks ;)

good job :thumbsup:

[[cTx]Philosophy]

I wanna see some 3d action
Whats ur 24\7 clocks looking @?
Or are you still figuring it out?

[PcCI2iminal]

nice chip u got there and great job
Intel @ 65nm is the way to go

and im with the others 3dbenchs with norton runnin,need some real dual core power
:toast:

[iboomalot]

I'll wait for benches before saying that :stick:


going off the slight improvements by these benches I don't think AMD has much to worry about.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051010/


Barring a miracle, the new Presler chips would need to have some new feature not listed on the roadmap to really make them outshine the existing Smithfield and Athlon 64 X2 chips. The smaller process might allow them to run slightly cooler, and we might even see 4.0GHz chips at some point, but that's about the only changes

would be nice to see Intel get over that 4ghz hump they have been avoiding for awhile

[Piotrsama]

3 cores? :woot: :confused:

Presler is dual core...

run PCMARK!!! with three cores, it should ace that.

Same, 2 cores.


Where did you get the 3 cores stuff from?

[VictorWang]

Great stuff victor...these chips look strong. :toast:

65nm is really good !

[VictorWang]

victor great job, a very interesting topic my friend

aha~~~~~you can hit over 7.5Ghz with 65nm core soon , my friend :toast:

[don_vercetti]

:confused:

Presler is dual core...



Same, 2 cores.


Where did you get the 3 cores stuff from?

From afireinside......sorry. Also, if you look in the second picture of the first post, he has run 3 instances of SuperPI. In retrospect, it was probably demonstrating that it had HT. My bad.

[Xassius]

Why not lower that divider to 1:1 for some 3-2-2-1 timing action! :D

[LexDiamonds]

Nice clocks to be sure...

AMD is in no real trouble..

It makes me smile to see Opties@3ghz just spanking a 4.6Ghz next genP4 core at Super Pi. Granted SPi isnt the be all end all, but its a good indication of general performance.

[VictorWang]

Why not lower that divider to 1:1 for some 3-2-2-1 timing action! :D

I've test for 3-2-2-4 333mhz vs 5-3-3-8 500mhz, seems the latter runs faster :clap:

[IluvIntel]

VictorWang, what bios version are you using on P5WD2 ?

[VictorWang]

VictorWang, what bios version are you using on P5WD2 ?

0606 ;)

[RoyaL]

going off the slight improvements by these benches I don't think AMD has much to worry about.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051010/


well I think AMD is in big trouble.
obviously with this new 0,065 chips Intel cpus will go even higher
going over 7.5ghz@1M getting 16" or 15" who knows :)
FX is stucked at 21" .. that's a shame :)

Victor:put some dry ice on that baby!

[VictorWang]

well I think AMD is in big trouble.
obviously with this new 0,065 chips Intel cpus will go even higher
going over 7.5ghz@1M getting 16" or 15" who knows :)
FX is stucked at 21" .. that's a shame :)

Victor:put some dry ice on that baby!

:banana: I think... 65nm single core can hit over 8.5Ghz for 1m benching :clap:

[perry_78]

:banana: I think... 65nm single core can hit over 8.5Ghz for 1m benching :clap:

If that would indeed be the case I think I better fire up them old DI containers and start saving ;)

[Master_G]

they run colder than the prescott ?
nice stuff :cool:
If they didnt i think Intel should pretty much give up and go home tbh lol.
What waterblock is being used?
Nice results, should be interesting in 06, might have to start paying attention to intel again!

G

[VictorWang]

If that would indeed be the case I think I better fire up them old DI containers and start saving ;)

I thinks LN2 is much preffered :woot:

[VictorWang]

If they didnt i think Intel should pretty much give up and go home tbh lol.
What waterblock is being used?
Nice results, should be interesting in 06, might have to start paying attention to intel again!

G

very common waterblock with 12*12cm rad and 1225 1700rpm fan :p:
room temp = 22c

[shuRe]

thank god your using water with that, i dont even want to think about the temps on air.

IMO AMD arnt in any real trouble, im willing to bet money on it :eek:

[crotale]

I thought they didn't work on 955X boards. Very interesting! :cool:

[iboomalot]

8.5 ghz i doubt thats going to happen even on LN2

Yes Intel on LN2 does a great superpi run but I use mine to game with and encode DVDs


Intel won't be winning much on the gaming front until a better design of the CPU happens.

PCMark05 Users Top 10


1. 8513 DINOS-MIKE GREECE -- AMD

2. 8456 Maverick -- AMD

3. 8165 by D. Karetsos) - Intel

4. 7928 Skywaver -- AMD

5. 7800 hyperasus - Intel

6. 7689 eva2000 -- AMD

7. 7678 *XtremeSystems 3D Team* -- AMD

8. 7653 TuKo - AMD

9. 7614 BigStan -- Intel

10. 7465 ElDuderino -- AMD


PCMark04 Users Top 10

1. 10089 OPB Taiwan -- AMD

2. 9518 Sucka -- AMD

3. 9364 Sampsa & Kamu – AMD

4. 9326 FUGGER -- Intel

5. 9298 FROG -- AMD

6. 9158 maverik -- AMD

7. 9123 Project Octane -- AMD

8. 9078 by D. Karetsos) - Intel

9. 8878 Fletch -- AMD

10. 8821 Iboomalot XS -- AMD


3DMark05 Users Top 20

ALL --AMD

3DMark03 Users Top 20

ALL -- AMD


Intel a threath hummm don't think so

atleast they are improving there products competition is good :D

[The Stilt]

:banana: I think... 65nm single core can hit over 8.5Ghz for 1m benching :clap:

You might be able to get a Cedar Mill running at 8.5GHz speed (which I doubt), but Intel isn´t going to release a chipset anytime soon that can hit ~450MHz FSB with desent memory speed and timings. 975X isn´t going to bring much difference compared to 955X.

[VictorWang]

8.5 ghz i doubt thats going to happen even on LN2

Yes Intel on LN2 does a great superpi run but I use mine to game with and encode DVDs


Intel won't be winning much on the gaming front until a better design of the CPU happens.
ALL -- AMD


Intel a threath hummm don't think so

atleast they are improving there products competition is good :D

when yonah comes.........AMD maybe lost in all the game ;)

PCMark05, 4.2G 955xe easily got a score=7377 cpu score :p:

http://www.ocparty.com.cn/uploads/post-1398-1133096431.jpg

[VictorWang]

You might be able to get a Cedar Mill running at 8.5GHz speed (which I doubt), but Intel isn´t going to release a chipset anytime soon that can hit ~450MHz FSB with desent memory speed and timings. 975X isn´t going to bring much difference compared to 955X.

:( need you to give nb_chip some LN2 too :banana:

I'll try what's the highest multi that 955xe can run.

wish it can be okay at 25x :woot:

[webwilli]

0606 ;)


very very nice :banana:

how did you get the high fsb? in bios or with aibooster?

[The Stilt]

:( need you to give nb_chip some LN2 too :banana:

I'll try what's the highest multi that 955xe can run.

wish it can be okay at 25x :woot:

Oh, your Presler has few more multipliers than I thought.
Nice :)

[Razor_Sniper]

8.5 ghz i doubt thats going to happen even on LN2

Yes Intel on LN2 does a great superpi run but I use mine to game with and encode DVDs


Intel won't be winning much on the gaming front until a better design of the CPU happens.

PCMark05 Users Top 10


1. 8513 DINOS-MIKE GREECE -- AMD

2. 8456 Maverick -- AMD

3. 8165 by D. Karetsos) - Intel

4. 7928 Skywaver -- AMD

5. 7800 hyperasus - Intel

6. 7689 eva2000 -- AMD

7. 7678 *XtremeSystems 3D Team* -- AMD

8. 7653 TuKo - AMD

9. 7614 BigStan -- Intel

10. 7465 ElDuderino -- AMD


PCMark04 Users Top 10

1. 10089 OPB Taiwan -- AMD

2. 9518 Sucka -- AMD

3. 9364 Sampsa & Kamu – AMD

4. 9326 FUGGER -- Intel

5. 9298 FROG -- AMD

6. 9158 maverik -- AMD

7. 9123 Project Octane -- AMD

8. 9078 by D. Karetsos) - Intel

9. 8878 Fletch -- AMD

10. 8821 Iboomalot XS -- AMD


3DMark05 Users Top 20

ALL --AMD

3DMark03 Users Top 20

ALL -- AMD


Intel a threath hummm don't think so

atleast they are improving there products competition is good :D


You forget kingpin with his dothan in 05 :rolleyes:

[rozzyroz]

those high amd scores are on account of sli. intel only needs to support the dothan for it to be the best gaming chip around.

[[XC] moddolicous]

Nice clocks there. As far as the PcMark05 scores go, I think the two top AMD ones use scsi bus, and the intel one uses ata. Also, like someone else said, AMD has SLI, which gives a nice boost in points. Also, the intel is only at 4.2, where as the AMD are at ~3200. If Intel had the scsi and sli, it would probably have beaten AMD.

[don_vercetti]

intel can have SCSI, and i don't think OPB's no.1 effort in 04 is SLI either.

[iboomalot]

You forget kingpin with his dothan in 05 :rolleyes:


Iam going off the Hall of Fame list

he is in 3rd place with an AMD setup

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1251888

see for yourself

[Razor_Sniper]

Iam going off the Hall of Fame list

he is in 3rd place with an AMD setup

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1251888

see for yourself

Oops, yes your right. I forgot sli doens't work with dothan... :(

[iboomalot]

I would say if Dothan did support SLI then Intel would be up there for sure.

Not knocking Intel but they fell behind and need to catch up much less with small improvements pass AMD in gaming and general everyday apps.

SuperPi Intel rules but not a very practical use of a CPU for most people.

[chainhoe]

much of its power comes from DDRII memory, 333mhz 3-2-2 woops DDR1 easy.

[VictorWang]

very very nice :banana:

how did you get the high fsb? in bios or with aibooster?

I started at 1.45v/294mhz*16 , than use aibooster to get higher fsb for sure :p:

[AudiS4]

oh amazing..love it, love it, loooooove it

[railer]

SuperPi Intel rules but not a very practical use of a CPU for most people.
What do you call practical? Gaming is not practical less then 1% of pc users are hardcore gamers. For all around cpu i pick Intel over AMD anyday.
And i do find my dothan to be realy practical in gaming :fact: .

[iboomalot]

I doubt only 1% games but lets look at other stuff

excluding gaming scores

Multitasking
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-4.html?tag=lnav

Photo editing
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-5.html?tag=lnav

MP3 encoding
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-6.html?tag=lnav

Video editing
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-7.html?tag=lnav


"The reduction in power consumption is impressive, but still not enough to give Intel an advantage over AMD, which makes things better, but hardly fixes the problem in our opinion. Unfortunately, we will have to wait for Intel's next-generation processors for a true competitor to AMD's low power Athlon 64s." ~~anandtech


"Although they aren't pictured here (for space reasons), you'll see in the coming pages that there is only one benchmark where Intel ends up ahead. The Roxio VideoWave test in PCWorld's WorldBench 5 suite completes 6 seconds quicker on the Pentium D 830 than on the Athlon 64 X2 3800+. That is one loss out of 31 total benchmarks for the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (once again, not all pictured here, but you'll see them on the coming pages).

The victory is clear and without debate, at the $300 - $400 price point, the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is the dual core processor to get." ~~anandtech

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2484&p=5


maybe in 6-9 months Intel will have the goods until then Iam sticking with AMD.


Congrates on the OC on water very impressive ***tips hat to thread starter***

[K.I.T.T.]

^^

But once you start to overclock, things may change.....

[iboomalot]

KITT sure things change but AMD still runs cooler , still dominates the ORB , and will still be a faster chip.

I forgot this quote but I think it rigs true for now

"The choice is clear - the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is better in every way than the Pentium D 830. For Intel's sake in the enthusiast community, Conroe had better be very competitive next year - because ever since Prescott, the Pentium 4 has been an utter disappointment" ~~anandtech

[k|ngp|n]

Intel is currently the 01', 03', and 05' single card #1 with 7800gtx512.
With 7800gtx256 single card, intel is #1 in 01', 03, and less than 100 points behind amd in 05'. All 7800 score were done with a weak chipset to boot.
With x850xtpe, intel is #1 in 01' and 03' single card, and less than 100 points behind amd in 05'.
and Look at what kyosen did with his 670 on ln2.
Hall of fame doesnt list single card scores(I wish it did). IF SLI worked as good on intel as it does amd........ :slapass:

[don_vercetti]

are those all dothans, or some prescotts as well?

[NickS]

"The choice is clear - the Athlon 64 X2 3800+ is better in every way than the Pentium D 830. For Intel's sake in the enthusiast community, Conroe had better be very competitive next year - because ever since Prescott, the Pentium 4 has been an utter disappointment" ~~anandtech

Ye it kinda has. Northwood raped AXP. Before that Athlon raped PIII's and early P4's. Now the Hypertransport style architecture has been powning :).

[CrashOv3r1De]

Dont forget AMD is comming out with next generation CPUS too. Dont compare the 65nm Intel cpus to current AMD cpus thats retarded.

Wait until Socket M2 is out with some dual core FX series now that will really spank Intel bad.

[Salvador]

Dont forget AMD is comming out with next generation CPUS too. Dont compare the 65nm Intel cpus to current AMD cpus thats retarded.

Wait until Socket M2 is out with some dual core FX series now that will really spank Intel bad.

uhm.. where and when does the NEW NEXT GENERATION AMD CPUs come in?

AMD has expressed that they believe that their AMD64 arc. is more than good enough, and IMO will sit at their fence watching.

AMD 2006 - M2. FX and X2 with higher speeds. Taylor. DDR2. Any more ?

Hmm.. don't quite see where those next gen. cpus from AMD is coming in.. :rolleyes: And AMD is coming with 65 nm at earliest 2H06, or maybe even 2007.

And if you know when those next gen AMD cpus are coming, please, by all means, enlighten me. ;)

Intel 2006 - Merom and Conroe for starters, too lazy to mention everything. Oh yeah, they are TWO of Intels new real next generation cores.

We wait.. Patiently.

Thats right, AMD _do_ have a next gen cpu in line.. The K10. But we are going to have to wait. AMD's K10 is delayed or dead (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27421)

[iboomalot]

Intel next GEN cpus are not due out till mid 2006 as well.

as it stands AMD owns in benching and for the normal user


LN2 IMO is worthless since you can't even think of that as a useable setup.

atleast a cascade could be used on a daily basis but sure would put out some massive heat dump and make your electric bill sky high but still is more down to earth and a LN2 amd or intel benchmark ;)


I agree we patiently wait

__________________________________________________ ______
hey Kingpin how are you filtering out single card scores??

I used the 7800gtx as a filter and all the top scores were AMD in 03 ???


------------------------------------------------------------

are those all dothans, or some prescotts as well?

Dothans the presshots are low on the list.

[macci]

I used the 7800gtx as a filter and all the top scores were AMD in 03 ???
Well that way you get SLI results too and no wonder it shows AMD on top.
Use GPU clock range as a filter too....common sense is also useful in identifying Single card scores. You'll find an Intel Dothan on top of almost every (major) Single card class.

While all those 0.065 numbers are very interesting and all I fail to find the 'very impressive' and 'AMD is in Trouble' part from the benchmark numbers... :)
Maybe some dualcore optimized benchmark might have shown more potential but as far as those SuperPi numbers go they can be easily beaten with aircooled Dothan.

[OpTiX]

very nice oc, i cant wait for the new technology in 06

[jumanji969]

Thats right, AMD _do_ have a next gen cpu in line.. The K10. But we are going to have to wait. AMD's K10 is delayed or dead (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27421)

And the inquirer is always correct with 100% facts.... :rolleyes:

Anyway nice showing from Intel, I hope to see more benchs from them in coming months. I've personally only owned AMD procs but I want Intel to get their butt in gear and throw out some good stuff, all the better for us consumers in the end.

[saaya]

still no 3d results?

and k10 getting cancelled doesnt mean theres a problem, everybody was shocked when nv48 and nv50 were cancelled, but do nvidias chips suck?
they found an easier way to increase the performence than going for a completely new design, maybe thats just what happened to amd?

im a little confused about pressler, is it tejas reborn or something?
or just a tweaked prescott on 65nm? but then again thats what tejas was supposed to be as well wasnt it?
wasnt tejas supposed to hit 10giggle hertz?
wel then this isnt tejas i guess :D

[iboomalot]

still no 3d results? :D

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10442_7-6389077-3.html?tag=lnav

also looking at the scaling of the cpus

D820 2.8ghz = zero refference point
D830 3.0ghz = 5.3 FPS improvement
D840 3.2ghz =4.7 FPS improvement

so for talking purposes if the INTEL scaled an avg of 5fps per 200 clock speed using given info above.

for a D840 to equal the FPS of the 4400+ (priced the same) you would have to run it at 25.6/5 * 200 = 4.24 ghz to equal the 4400 at stock speeds.

also the AMD systems jumped 7-8 FPS for a 200mhz increase but this is normal since AMD does more work per cycle.

Since 4400+s do clock to 2.8 - 3.0ghz Thus I doubt even a LN2 cooled D840 would keep up with a water cooled maybe even air cooled X2

But Intel does have Dothan for gaming its just nice to have both packages under one CPU

all Iam going to say in this thread since I think its off topic

[speed bump]

Wow thats all rather interesting and off subject. Who let all the AMD lovers in? Wasn't this supposed to be about a CPU that is forthcoming and is probably going to be a very big weapon of choice in the overclocking war considering it does close to 5ghz on Water which means that it should be able to do well over 6.5ghz on LN2. Not to mention has more features that AMD is still dreaming about.

[VictorWang]

Till now I thinks, Intel's LGA775 cpu are not good at 3Dmark...
But.....if the cpu clk reaches about 6.5G or more (dualcore), or 7G(single)
The result may change.
But...why do so many people preffers 3Dmark benches ? Do we plays 3D game everyday ?
Can a AMD FX60 run 4 prime95 while exploring the Internet, listening to the music, chat on MSN/Skype with ur friend?
AMD/Intel both got some good chips, but I do preffer AMD with SLI for gaming,
P4 for daily using and XS hight CLK ocing , Dothan for benching !
Then, what's going on in the near future ?
Intel has 65nm single core, will surely get over 8.5Ghz or more under LN2.
65nm dualcore can easily reach 7Ghz or more aslo with XS cooling.
Yonah will coming to the desktop in LGA775 with Crossfire / DDR2 support.
So, Intel will got both high clks and high efficiency.

okay, take a look back at AMD.
clk < Intel
efficiency < Intel
dualcore = Intel < Intel XE
SLI = Crossfire
DDR < DDR2
Socket M2 / 939 < LGA775
=======================
plus all... Isn't AMD is in real trouble in 2006/2007 ?
Doesn't AMD needs some good new design and better product lines ?

of coruse, everything is possible, let's wait and see what's going on.
Wish AMD can still have the ability to fight with Intel, that means we can get a lot more cheaper and faster CPU ^_^

[Squid_Spit]

I wouldn't say so first is M2 with DDR2 then 65nm (probably mid-Q3) and then a whole lot of goodies in 2007. http://www.amdcompare.com/techoutlook/ But the important thing is if AMD want remain on top in benching they really need to get the Cold Bug sorted out. If there was no cold bug i'm thinking we would be seeing 4.1+ghz benchable.

[madgamer]

plus all... Isn't AMD is in real trouble in 2006/2007 ? Doesn't AMD needs some good new design and better product lines ?

I think that from a financials point of view, AMD is currently doing the best it has ever been. The number of mainstream companies (including one of the largest system integrator types, DELL) that have accepted AMD chips lately has been through the roof. As for who spanks who in the next gen battle, I guess we will have to see when all of this stuff is actually released, but I dont think that I would say that AMD needs better producs and is in trouble. They seem to be doing pretty well, and without testing M2 etc, I think it would be kind of hard to make the official call.

[mesyn191]

This is a real impressive overclock but overclocking has got exactly jack and s*** to do with what AMD and Intel actually release. People have being getting over 4Ghz with a P4 on air for a while now yet Intel has still yet to release a 4Ghz chip, same thing happened with AMD and thier AXP's. Many got them to over 2.5Ghz on air but AMD never released a AXP that fast...

So I don't see how anyone can come off saying that AMD will be in trouble in 2006 cuz of a .65 P4 getting great OC's, BFD. If Intel was where they were supposed to be according to thier old roadmaps by now, at about 5-6Ghz on stock air cooling, then yea that'd be something for AMD to be worried about.

Yonah is a joke too from a performance standpoint (power consumption/heat output is indeed awesome though), clock for clock its right up there with a A64 which is great but its top clockspeed is only going to be 2.2Ghz IIRC and it'll cost around $600 or so too not to mention you'll be needing a new mobo cuz Intel changed the socket so you'll have to probably wait for months on end to get a decent OC'ing mobo for it... By then Turion will have been out for a few months (unless AMD screws up the launch of course) and Merom/Conroe won't be far behind, anyone who buys a Yonah to OC will be kicking themselves unless they're rich and can afford to blow $700 (gotta include the cost of the mobo) like its nothing.

For a stock laptop system Yonah will be great, if AMD can get the power lower than 50W TDP on the Turion though I don't think it'll matter much once AMD gets em' out in volume though.

IMO we won't be seeing anything really interesting from AMD or Intel til' late 2006 when Merom/Conroe comes out for Intel and AMD starts producing volume .65 chips.

[Cooper]

VictorWang
Any updates ?

[illidan]

Hehehehe, nice avatar Cooper
And nice clocks VictorWang :toast: