Whats the next target for Ti4200s?

[Kato]

Hi guys:D

A while ago the AMDXP/Ti4200 class had a great run, everyone was submitted new scores, trying to pass 15k:)

Now, I think most of the benchers have upgraded to Tbreds already, or going to in the near futures(those 2100B looks awesome!), so whats our next target? Are we aiming for 17k this time?
The last friendly competition between the benchers really made me to push my scores higher, and it would be fun to have another round now:toast:

[gobbo]

With the tbred b cores, i think 18k is more than possable!

That should be the new target, its pretty high, but its reachable!

[gobbo]

Don't worry, i'm still on 13k!!!

Then again it's only 1.9Ghz of Palimino power at 200FSB as memory won't go higher!

[Hognert]

With something like 215-225FSB DCDDR and 2,7GHz+ it should be possible to hit 18k with a good ti4200. My own ti4200 died a month ago so I cant join you in the quest ;). My 17147 is still the fastest AMD/ti4200 run on the orb though :). Done with my good old KX7 so there shouldnt be any real problem passing it with a nf2. "Pretty" sure MrIcee will do it soon ;).

[MrIcee]

Thats right Hognert..THE fastest AMD Ti4200 score on the ORB you possess:)

The fastest AMD/Nvidia score on the ORB is still held by a Ti4600 based, LN2 cooled Intel system at 18,529 by the finnish Kamu.
OPP holds the next spot cooled by phase change at 17,914:)

Boy I'll tell ya...18,000 will be tough indeed without use of very high CPU Mhz...maybe 4Ghz Intel and 2800Mhz+ AMD. My goal is to at least get close to macci once back in my Prometeia and running at 2700ish Mhz. We'll have to see. I am handicapped in this class as far as card memory is concerned. My ABIT OTES just won't go past 680Mhz without problems...it's equipped with 3.6ns Hynix chips. If I could get up in the 720-740 Mhz range with my 368Mhz card clock...I'd be about 200 points higher already.

Randi:D

[MrIcee]

I've run as high as 2.1v VGPU and 4.2Vmem on the Ti4200. Once you pass 2v and 4v respecitively, I've found little gain in frequency. Yep...If I still had a Ti4600 I'd probably be right up there with OPP and Kamu:)

Randi:D

[Kato]

Humm...18k really do seems impossible:( (at least for me), since its gonna take at least phase change to get an AMD to 2800MHz+.

[Hognert]

Originally posted by MrIcee

Boy I'll tell ya...18,000 will be tough indeed without use of very high CPU Mhz...maybe 4Ghz Intel and 2800Mhz+ AMD. My goal is to at least get close to macci once back in my Prometeia and running at 2700ish Mhz. We'll have to see. I am handicapped in this class as far as card memory is concerned. My ABIT OTES just won't go past 680Mhz without problems...it's equipped with 3.6ns Hynix chips. If I could get up in the 720-740 Mhz range with my 368Mhz card clock...I'd be about 200 points higher already.

Randi:D

680MHz mem will indeed make it hard to reach 18k. Seems like it would take the original Abit or a card equipped with 3,3ns memory to do it. With optimal voltage and good cooling memory should athleast reach 730MHz+. Maybe I'll just have to look around for a Abit siluro myself :).

[N8]

Kato,
Good idea for this thread. :)

Hognert,
A Ti4200 that does nearly 800MHz on the memory like urs did is a rare one. But congrats on that score! Its very nice for a KT333 board! I'll be putting up a score shortly @ what I'm guessing to be able 2420MHz, 210FSB, 360/700...within the next couple weeks anyway. This is still using all my original hardware except a 2400+ that AMD gave me...so my rig's gotten even cheaper :D

SKATAN,
Where you hiding? ;)

[N8]

Also, what do you guys know about this card?
http://images2.newegg.com/productimage/14-127-074-02.JPG

Here's the link for it at newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=14%2D127%2D074

A 64MB Ti4200 w/ BGA memory? Does that mean the memory chips are only on the front side? Has anyone seen or heard of any OC experience w/ this card? Do I gotta be the guinea pig here? :D

[sharpbw]

N8,
oh wow, you have to wonder what they mean "faster BGA memory"

MrIcee,
On your OTES card, where do you measure you voltage? Since they changed the caps around, I don't have a clue as to how to do that now.

[Kato]

Originally posted by N8
Also, what do you guys know about this card?

Here's the link for it at newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=14%2D127%2D074

A 64MB Ti4200 w/ BGA memory? Does that mean the memory chips are only on the front side? Has anyone seen or heard of any OC experience w/ this card? Do I gotta be the guinea pig here? :D

Humm, I think Newegg posted up the wrong pic, MSI always use red pcb, right? and I search through their site, they don't have any "super" Ti4200 with BGA ram on. That pic I think its a reference Ti4400 or Ti4600 pic Newegg borrowed somewhere.

Its always a good idea to have a friendly competition:D And after the Tbred, when the GeFX coming out, I think many of us would upgrade to another videocard too...

[N8]

Kato,

If that's the case, that pic is way off as far as what that card actually looks like. What I don't understand is the pic of the box for the card...it appears accurate, so how would the pic of the actual card be so inaccurate? I'm very close to ordering one just to find out. If my Abit didn't clock so darn well, I would have already ordered 1 to try :)

[N8]

Quote from the Newegg add:
Chipset: Nvidia Geforce4 Ti-4200
Memory:64MB DDR with Faster BGA memory
Video Output Function:TV-out (S-Video connector)DVI Connector
AGP 4X / 2X and AGP Texturing support
Up to 10.4 GB/sec. memory bandwidth
136 million triangles/sec. setup engine
4.8 billion AA sample/sec. fill rate
1.23 trillion operations/sec.
8 texels per clock cycle
With Software Bundle, (see Pic)

Now they are saying right in the ad that it is equipped w/ 64MB of BGA memory. How sure are you the pic's not accurate now ;)

[Kato]

Hummm...I see now:D
the model, MS-8871, its a Ti4400!!!, no wonder I couldn't find it on their site:D There are something wrong here...any ideas?

[N8]

Thanks for the info. I wanna be the guinea pig...since newegg has a good return policy. I'm going to order 1 & check it out. I'll report back when I get it :)

[Kato]

Here (http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/vga/vga/pro_vga_list.php?kind=2&CHIP=27&NAME=GeForce%204%20Series) is all the videocard MSI produced, I think the tw site is the most completed, as you can see the MS-8871 is a Ti4400;) But if its really a legit Ti4200, then its gonna be awesome with BGA:D

[N8]

The thing I want to know is if its got 4 or 8 memory chips. First 64MB BGA-equipped video card I've seen :)

I have a feeling that if its legit, the memory might clock well, but I don't think I'll get as good of a core as my Abit has ;)

[DuraN]

Perhaps a Ti4800SE with 64mb RAM ? Ive seen some of those.. The Ti4800SE is really a Ti4400 remember :)

My Siluro clocks really well, but im afraid to do the vmod since my soldering skills arent good. Ive got all the parts lying next to me, and i swear, they WANT to be soldered to that Abit card, lol :D

[hedge]

Originally posted by DuraN
Perhaps a Ti4800SE with 64mb RAM ? Ive seen some of those.. The Ti4800SE is really a Ti4400 remember :)

Albatron has a turbo card out with 128 mb 3.3 ns bga that clocked up to like 670 without any mods or extra cooling. Its core clocked very well too.

[N8]

Originally posted by Kato
A while ago the AMDXP/Ti4200 class had a great run, everyone was submitted new scores, trying to pass 15k:)

You asked for it. Got my 2400+ under a SLK-800 right now until I get my water set back up. Just the stock cooler on the G4 for now too cuz morphling1 made me a nice block for that too. Added some tweakmonster ramsinks to the G4, gave me some extra MHz @ stock voltage. No vmod on card for this run, & testing the new 2B01 BIOS...been good so far. Anywayz... :)

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5647514

[Umgawa]

Heres mine. I know I could get better but 3dmark is way to time consuming and I love to play games also. This is with no mods by the way.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5566875

[N8]

Umgawa,

Nice score man :D

That Albatron is clocking quite nicely for you considering it's not modded. That looks like an EPoX board...which one? :)

[Kato]

Nice scores guys:cool:
The Albatron clock very well, I had mine up to 330/725, before Vmodd. Now my heatercore is warming up my case, so I'm stuck at 700 for the ram:( My TurboCool arrived yesterday though, so my low voltages problem is gone, but the best I can do before the VDD mod may be around 205FSB on this mobo. Time to break out the Vmodd kits gear and aim for 16.5K, and 17K after I do the VDD mod:D

[N8]

Go go go. My first target is 16k. We'll see what I can pull off w/ the trusty ole 8K3A after that :)

Perhaps a 8RDA+ after I've got the 8K3A max'd...who knows :)

[Kato]

Where is SKATAN?:D

[Umgawa]

Thanks N8. No thats a kd7-e which is a sweet board. Gonna order me a epox 8rda probably today. your score is very nice as well.
:)

[N8]

Ahh KD7-E. Cool :)

Yea, I'd like the 8RDA+....but I'm not sure if I want to dump that kinda money into my rig right now ;)

[Umgawa]

www.tcwo.com has them 108 shipped and its the 8rda+:)

[N8]

Thanks for the link :)

[N8]

Hooked up vmod for memory tonight to see how much the ramsinks help. W/o the ramsinks the most I could do 3D @ was 695MHz...I was able to do 3D @ 715MHz now w/ only minor artifacting. I can't say enough about this friggin Abit G4. I got it back when they very first came out & I'm absolutely shocked @ how it clocks, & that it lasts too. It only has 4ns Hynix chips on it & to do 3D @ 715MHz simply amazes me. Might not seem so amazing to some of you guys w/ lower ns or BGA memory, but I'm surely impressed :)

This gives me 15886 @ 11.5x211 - 330/715. Still stock cooler on GPU & no vmod to that. I don't think I'll do GPU vmod w/ this stock cooler on there, it doesn't look very beefy, lol. I did 357MHz on the core w/ the vmod & a 80MM Socket-A HSF before, I'll be interested to see what I'll be able to do then once I get the waterblock on their.

Sooo...right now I'm @ 15886 & that will prolly stay till I hook the water back up. Curious to see what my 2400+ does on the water too, getting 2427MHz out of it right now under a SLK-800 & 48CFM fan. So right now I'm waiting on that MSI card to come & see if it clocks anything like my Abit, although I doubt it. After that comes & I choose which card I'm goin w/, I'll hook water up & have another go @ 3DMark.

This put me back on the front page...who else is comin! SKATAN, morphling1, where u guys @? You the ones always giving me hard time tellin me to bench in the past, ur turns now :p

Oh yea, compare url would be good :)
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5657031

16k coming from me soon, I promise ;)

[sjohnson]

Very nice score N8! Just got my Abit G4 4200 non-OTES. ON my sluggish KD7-E (only get 3185 Sandra float mem @218/2.5-2-6-2-1t), I'm "only" 3k points behind you lol, http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5613169

Still, for a brand new Siluro, I'm liking the clocks I'm getting out of that card. Thanks for setting the standard to beat ;)

[Kato]

Congrats on the score N8:D
I just tried another run, got my 2400 @ 2700MHz, and at 200fsb...but somehow my card couldn't do 330 on the core! humm..the only thing I changed is installing the new RivaTuner. weild stuff:confused: May be I will install back the old one for a test.

Where are the other guys!?

[SKATAN]

Originally posted by Kato
Where is SKATAN?:D


Im retired from 3dmark :D

for a competitive score I need a new cpu , new ram , and a new ti4200 , and 3dmark isn´t going to make me spend money

as my current rig is fast enough for some ownage on mohaa and ut2k3 online


another thing that made me loose the apetite for benching is my tu4200 is still alive and kicking and most of you guys have killed 1 or 2 :D

yeah I know im getting soft :P

maybe ill do a suprise score one of these days as i already know some tweaks on 8rda+ ;)



Good Luck with your scores

ps: N8 , as bios 2b01 fast comand decode on ?

[Hognert]

Im going to join you with my old ti4400 :D. It broke down maybe 6 months ago and I got it up and running again today :). I knew the card didnt get any juice so I found the problem and replaced the busted transistor and the card runs just fine again :).
It clocks pretty much like a ti4200 anyways so it will have to make do ;). Memory can probably hit 700-720 with some luck. Core aint much to brag about either.

[wEs]

c'mon SKATAN, i really think that what ya really need is a faster cpu...maybe a 1800+ tbred? 90€ isn't that expensive!
And about the graphics card...selling yours for about 150€ and get a better one for only +50€! ;)

I'm going to buy a new graphic card, but i can't decide wich one to buy! ti4200 or 9500? the competition on the ti4200 range is crazy as hell but a 9500 would be the best deal, yeah of course i'm thinkin' on moddin' it!
;)

[N8]

Originally posted by sjohnson
Thanks for setting the standard to beat ;)
Hognert is @ 17147
MrIcee is @ 16976
Colin is @ 16152
Kato is @ 16028
Me is @ 15886
So, I appreciate the compliment, but I don't think I'm setting the standard to beat ;)

Kato,
w/ 2700MHz CPU & a NF2, I don't think I'll be able to touch you if you put a new score up :)

Originally posted by SKATAN
another thing that made me loose the apetite for benching is my tu4200 is still alive and kicking and most of you guys have killed 1 or 2 :D

ps: N8 , as bios 2b01 fast comand decode on ?
I'm still usin my original Abit ;) Yet to even hiccup *knocks on wood* This card is nearing a year old.

Noper on cpu fast command decode...but working very well. Using some minor wpcredit tweaks right now, gotta test others. I'll try back on the 2815 when I think I'm max'd to see if it scores higher, tho @ 190FSB these 2 BIOS's scored within 100pts of each other...cept I can run 198FSB max so far w/ 2815 while I can do 211FSB max so far w/ 2B01.

[spaceboy]

i hope to raise the bar soon :p

[Kato]

Originally posted by N8
Hognert is @ 17147
MrIcee is @ 16976
Colin is @ 16152
Kato is @ 16028
Me is @ 15886
So, I appreciate the compliment, but I don't think I'm setting the standard to beat ;)

Kato,
w/ 2700MHz CPU & a NF2, I don't think I'll be able to touch you if you put a new score up :)




Thats if i can get my mobo to run at 200fsb+:( I'm changing case and tubing in the coming weeks or so, and I will do the VDD mod along with that. Your missed Anne, he got 17143;) So the bar is setting pretty high now, once 17k is reached, then we can see if a Ti4200 can touch 18k, I know some of you guys can do it:cool:

SKATAN, we need you on the ORB to push us harder!!!;)

[N8]

Arne is registered here?

If so, what's up w/ all the published scores? :(

He has like 20 of em in the Ti4200 cat, lol.

[Kato]

I don't think he is around these forums, but I saw his score up there, just 4 pts off Hognert:) LOL, 4 pts!

Anyway, I too think those extra scores should be cleared too, leave rooms for other to get ahead:D

BTW N8, what kind of ramsink you installed on your card? The tweakmonster? I'm thinking of putting some too, the stock one doesn't look like its doing a very good job...

[N8]

Tweakmonster indeed. They seem to work well, I can feel them getting warm so I know they're pulling some heat from the memory. 4.1v to memory to get 715...minor artifacting. :)

[N8]

Got the MSI in. It is indeed on the Ti4600 PCB. & BGA chips on front side only as I suspected. Chips read:

Samsung 202
K4026323RA-GC36

So these are 3.6ns chips?

Very curious how it clocks...doubt I'll have time tonight to find out tho.

Here's a pic to verify my claims ;)

[X Men SS]

N8,

is this an Ti4200 ???

So these are 3.6ns chips?


Yes ...

[N8]

Yea, the link for it @ newegg is up there. $127 shipped to the USA.

Had a couple minutes to test it...702MHz on the memory right out of the box...some artifacting tho. Didn't get to test the core, that will have to wait till tomorrow. If the core is anywhere near my abit's, I'll have a new G4. If not, I reckon I'll be sellin it :)

[Kato]

:mad:
My 80w pelt on the GPU just died.....damn it!~~~:mad:
Now if Swiftech doesn't warrant the pelt, then I have to change it myself....:(

So, 40.52, W2kpro with sp2, and DX8.1 still the fastest for AMDs?

[X Men SS]

Originally posted by Kato
:mad:
My 80w pelt on the GPU just died.....damn it!~~~:mad:
Now if Swiftech doesn't warrant the pelt, then I have to change it myself....:(

So, 40.52, W2kpro with sp2, and DX8.1 still the fastest for AMDs?

Sorry to hear that ... I hope that Swiftech will replace it ... :stick:

And yes 40.52, W2kpro with sp2, and DX8.1 is still the best ... well, atleast on my sys ;) ...

[Henry]

My Ti4200 died, still waiting the new one (RMA).
Hope i can bench asap with new cpu/mobo/vga :D :D

[N8]

As far as that MSI, the core will do 320-325MHz w/ the stock cooler & whatever TIM they have under there(I haven't removed the HSF yet). When I do 702MHz on the mem tho I can only do 315MHz on the core & be stable. I'm getting a bit frustrated w/ RivaTuner. W/ my Abit Ti4200 I can go from 702MHz memory to 715MHz. If I set it in between them I get one or the other, can't get an actual clock in between. But with the MSI the next jump after 702 is the whole way to 729MHz...which is just too high w/ no ramsinks & no vmod. Anyone know how to get around this? Its rather frustrating. I've always noticed this in RivaTuner....but have just dealt with it. Sure wish there was a way to actually clock this card in 1MHz increments :)

I'm going to look into the vmod for the MSI. Its obvious that the core doesn't clock near as high as my Abit, but the memory clocks much better...it seems as tho it would clock prolly 10MHz slower than my Abit memory, cept w/o vmod. If this thing can do over 750MHz on the memory after vmod, the poorer core might make it better than my Abit.

Got to see if I can snap/scan pics good enough to figure out the vmod's. The chips look familiar, so I'm sure the mod's easy...its monitoring the voltages that might be the tricky part ;)

[Umgawa]

Your using the low level overclocker. Use the lower video card icon and use the hardware overclocker in rivatuner.

[Hognert]

If you use low level overclocking click "more" then set "clock frequency genaration accuracy" to maximum.

[N8]

Originally posted by Umgawa
Your using the low level overclocker. Use the lower video card icon and use the hardware overclocker in rivatuner.

This happens to me w/ low level & the regular OC'n. You don't a true 1MHz increments w/ either.

Originally posted by Hognert
If you use low level overclocking click "more" then set "clock frequency genaration accuracy" to maximum.

Thanks Hognert! I'll try this :)

[Kato]

N8, if the MSI is using the Ti4600 pcb, then the Vmodd should be the same as my Albatron. Take a look at this guide (http://oc3dmark.octeams.com/tip04.html) ;)

[N8]

Kato,
Thanks for the link. I'm pretty sure I've got it figured. No time to try it today tho. Just need to find the voltage measurement points...then we'll see how she does w/ some extra voltage ;)

[N8]

Just a little update...got a 1700+ that clocks a little higher than my 2400+. Fried my PS tho so I gotta wait till new 1 comes in. Gonna try to crack 16k soon :)

[Kato]

Thats one great 1700 you got there N8;)
My MCW-50T is on its way back to swiftech for RMA, so my Ti4200 should be back up in a couple of weeks:D
Have any of you guys returned stuff to Swiftech for RMA? How long did it take?

[mascot]

Ok..I´m now in this club too. :p
First bench with new CPU. My memories kinda sucks but I hope I can bench a little bit higher FSB next week.
I had this so far -> 16006 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5731185)

[N8]

mascot,

Very nice score! :)

Don't stop now ;)

[Bravo]

Hope to meet you guys soon :)

Will be running Dual Bank PC-3200 TwinMOS (256mb), 2400 AIUHB @ 2500 - 2750mhz (did 2324 @ 1.825v with the stock AMD cooler heh :D), Epox 8RDA+, and an Asus Ti4200 128mb BGA (330/690 stock). :)

[mascot]

Originally posted by N8
mascot,

Very nice score! :)

Don't stop now ;)

I won´t :D
I hope I get new RAM later this week so I can bench a little bit higher FSB. :)

[Kunaak]

Hey guys,

Soon I am gonna be in this race for awhile.
I want to get a TI 4200, 64 meg version probably since I have always heard they were faster.

what do you guys suggest for a Ti4200, that will be voltage modded, Ramsinked and super cooled?

Brand, Amount of ram, type of ram, clock speeds?

[N8]

I recommend the Abit. I don't even see the 4x version available anymore so I'd hope the 8x version clocks as well :)

the 64MB card that is(NOT OTES)..... :)

[Kunaak]

yeah the OTES would be hard to watercool I assume...

[N8]

wouldn't be hard to watercool...just not that impressed w/ MrIcee's pelt'd, mod'd results w/ it :)

[Kato]

Heehee, looks like OPP joined (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5701867) in too:D

[N8]

lol, saw that :)

he needs a better-clocking Ti4200...could take macci's score easily w/ that 2.9GHz+ & NF2 of his :D

[mascot]

Here´s my new score -> 16772 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5810859)
Windows was all messed up so new score soon..

[Kato]

Nice score mascot:D
How high was your VDD at 225fsb?

[mascot]

It was 1.95V but it doesn´t need to be so high for 225fsb. 1.95V is for ~235mhz.