So the X1800XT came and went without a whimper?

[charlie]

So that's it?

Everyones on 512m 7800gtx now? Was the x1800xt a dud? What's the story? Not even strong in single card '01????

C

[Winterwind]

imho only macci tried something but he had crappy Dothan for 2001se
it seems to me like R520 is just for testing 90nm and the real killer should be R580

[G H Z]

Cold bug :(

ATI made it possible for macci & Sampsa to run under LN2, retail cards won't do it.......yet. Even so the 512 GTX is faster.

[DilTech]

Bench Wars: IV
Cold bug strikes again!

Charlie, in this case, NVidia just trumped ATi too soon for anyone to take the x1800xt seriously. Sad, but true, there just wasn't enough time between the 512mb GTX and x1800xt for anyone to warrant buying the x1800xt to bench.

[Mowgli]

a dissapointment IMO, for i was looking for more competition from ATI...Nvidia has really good stuffs up their sleeves....ATI are juz playing catching up..

[uOpt]

If they would brush up their Linux drivers and make a FreeBSD version, or even make them open-source, I would happily buy them.

Now they have the slower card, which doesn't run in pairs in my SLI board, with the worse drivers. Why in the world would I buy from them?

[Dynasty]

Cold bug :(

ATI made it possible for macci & Sampsa to run under LN2, retail cards won't do it.......yet. Even so the 512 GTX is faster.

I been having tough time getting this X1800XT to work in negative temps,
been at it all day and I *officially* give up on the card. :(

[iboomalot]

ati should have come out with a 20 or 24 or 32 pipe card

sticking to 16 pipes and just upping the core and mem wasn't enough

Nvidia just upped the core and mem but has many more pipes.


ATI is 90 nm vs Nv's 110 nm but now Nvidia can learn from ATIs mistakes but will ATI learn from Nvidia?? K.I.S.S. more pipelines ***cough cough***

[perkam]

The X1800XT is still cheaper and still a very capable card...either way though...if it ends up a dud and falls down in prices, hopefully it'll take down the entire X1k line down with it....x1800XL for $300 here i come :p:

Expect heads to start turning again once X1800 crossfire edition becomes available ;)

Perkam

[ken]

I got my X1800XT for almost 200 quid ($343 for my US friends)cheaper than I would have paid to get an GTX512 so i dont think the XT is a dud,

its not as fast as the GTX512 but damn, its cheaper and somehow more available in the UK :)

[AACDIRECT]

Expect heads to start turning again once X1800 crossfire edition becomes available ;)

I believe.....many here will like X1800 Crossfire. (We just did a review with X850 Crossfire and somehow.... I don't know exactly how but we out performed a system with 7800 GT cards in it. My assumption is that the other builder messed up...but it amazed me.)

Ironicly X1800 XT falls right into place. Performance to dollar.

256MB GTX = $

512MB XT = $$ but faster

512MB GTX = $$$ but even faster

Now if only the XT and 512MB GTX were available in any numbers.

I just wish ATI would drop the price on XL. Or raise the clocks. 7800 GT is much more bang for the buck stock.

[perkam]

7800 GT is much more bang for the buck stock. Stock? Now what would that be ? ;)

Perkam

[AACDIRECT]

Stock? Now what would that be ? ;)

Perkam

OC'd I personally like the XL better. With a little watercooling you can reach XT speeds. (Heck many have reached it with stock cooling.) The GT lacks some pipes....give me back the pipes. :banana2:

[5-Clicks]

i thought they were 16 enlarged pipes in the r520?

[NeGe0]

I thought I remember TIM saying that the x1800's in crossfire is very good. And I think I saw a link that the x1800xt pe's were coming and going to be 24 pipes. I'm guessing they would be very expensive just like the 512gtx's. They are probably just going to be made so that you can say well we have the fastest card and if you want it you're going to have to pay.

[AACDIRECT]

I thought I remember TIM saying that the x1800's in crossfire is very good. And I think I saw a link that the x1800xt pe's were coming and going to be 24 pipes. I'm guessing they would be very expensive just like the 512gtx's. They are probably just going to be made so that you can say well we have the fastest card and if you want it you're going to have to pay.

I am pretty sure that the PE card will not have 24 pipes. Speed bump only.

X1800 CF is going to be very good. ;)

[DilTech]

x1800xtpe - 650 - 675 mhz core/1500mhz ram AFAIK. Probably 650.

As for x1800 CF, it'd better be good, considering by it's release in january we'll be looking at the R580 specs, and either a 90nm G70 or NVidia's other "ace" hidden in their sleeve.

I hope, for price sake, that CF is *VERY* phenominal, not that I plan on SLi or CF either way. Two cards, double the electricity, and over $1000 doesn't sit well with my wallet with double electricity rates here in missouri during the winter and summer. I've had times where my electricity bill was more than rent is.

[Gautam]

Heads would turn if it didn't have a friggin cold bug, at least for 3DMark2001 aficionados...if it liked cold, it would take top honors there at least.

[perkam]

Heads would turn if it didn't have a friggin cold bug, at least for 3DMark2001 aficionados...if it liked cold, it would take top honors there at least. yup...though i doubt the cold bug issue will stay with the cf version...otherwise Macci wouldn't go near it ;)

Perkam

[Hicks]

I got my X1800XT for almost 200 quid ($343 for my US friends)cheaper than I would have paid to get an GTX512 so i dont think the XT is a dud,

its not as fast as the GTX512 but damn, its cheaper and somehow more available in the UK :)

Thats just plain wrong Ken.

I spent hours searching for one in stock, found on eventually, but paid 400quid for it. The 512mb is way more available.

Anyways the X1800XT is not a dud, it has some nice features, and for playing games, is better than a GTX, the 512mb GTX is overpriced to high heaven.

[ken]

Thats just plain wrong Ken.

I spent hours searching for one in stock, found on eventually, but paid 400quid for it. The 512mb is way more available.



umm...I bought my X1800XT on the day GTX512 was released (14/11 Monday IIRC) and it costed me 347 quid incl delivery ;) the place where I bought got 4 instock and they gone in about 3 hours :)

[DilTech]

Thats just plain wrong Ken.

I spent hours searching for one in stock, found on eventually, but paid 400quid for it. The 512mb is way more available.

Anyways the X1800XT is not a dud, it has some nice features, and for playing games, is better than a GTX, the 512mb GTX is overpriced to high heaven.

I've seen games playing on both side by side, the GTX definitely gamed better... The ability for Supersampling on AA, and the power to actually USE it just can't be trifiled with. Mind you, to do that on an ATi card requires CF.

[CrashOv3r1De]

The X1800 XT master card will cost a pretty penny, or maybe a sack of them

[Hicks]

I've seen games playing on both side by side, the GTX definitely gamed better... The ability for Supersampling on AA, and the power to actually USE it just can't be trifiled with. Mind you, to do that on an ATi card requires CF.

The normal GTX? Don't think so. Ill be able to tell you in a few days myself. :p:

Never been impressed with my GTX, infact id go as far as saying it's horrible with AA/AF.

I dunno why people are all moaning about the X1800XT and ATI, sure Nvidia have brought out a 512mb Monster card, so what, the X1800XT is still a very decent card, and it's over 100quid cheaper than an 512mb GTX.

The X1800 is also very early, i think it's great, ATI will have experience to draw from, because of the 0.09 micron, when they make R580. The only crappy thing is the stock, like the X800XT PE last year, it's pathetic, as Crossfire is becoming a joke, but i don't rate dual GPU's anyways.

[Gnome]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609&p=4

"While the exact performance results achieved comparing X1800XT Crossfire with 7800GTX SLI can not yet be published, we can tell you we benchmarked with F.E.A.R., Quake 4, Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory, Doom 3, Far Cry, and 3DMark05 at 1600x1200 resolution with 4X AA and 8X AF enabled. ATI X1800XT Crossfire won every benchmark over nVidia 7800GTX SLI in these tests. "


"We then ran all the same tests in single video mode, comparing a single X1800XT on the ATI RD580 to a single 7800GTX on the Asus A8N32-SLI. Benchmarks were run under the same conditions as Crossfire/SLI - 1600x1200/4xAA/8xAF in games and "standard" scores in 3Dmarks and Aquamark 3. Once again the ATI X1800XT on the RD580 was the winner in every benchmark. "

seems like the RD580 + x1800xt is a killer.

[AACDIRECT]

The normal GTX? Don't think so. Ill be able to tell you in a few days myself. :p:

Never been impressed with my GTX, infact id go as far as saying it's horrible with AA/AF.

I dunno why people are all moaning about the X1800XT and ATI, sure Nvidia have brought out a 512mb Monster card, so what, the X1800XT is still a very decent card, and it's over 100quid cheaper than an 512mb GTX.

The X1800 is also very early, i think it's great, ATI will have experience to draw from, because of the 0.09 micron, when they make R580. The only crappy thing is the stock, like the X800XT PE last year, it's pathetic, as Crossfire is becoming a joke, but i don't rate dual GPU's anyways.

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good. ;)

[softpain]

Well here the cheapest GTX 512 is 840$ and the 1800 xt 600$ where I live so...

[Gnome]

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good. ;)


i'm happy to hear that, i just got myself 2 7800GTs and SLIed them. My first impression "can't wait for the RD480 and x1800 CF...".

the problem is that i'm a CS player. I need a rig that will WoW and other @ high res, but i have CS tournaments to attend, and if it doesnt play cs the way i like it, it gets binned.

in cs there's a big plus, and a huge minus.
the plus is that the nvidia smokes are more transparrent then ATI smokes. The huge minus is the rendering of smokes has weird colors, but worst of all, if you get flashed, you have all sorts of funny colors all over, and you can't see clearly until the flash totally dissipates...

now there's the WoW bug. When i play WoW fullscreen (haven't tested window yet), and i alt-tab, not only does it not change apps, wow hard locks. I found it would un-hard lock if i alt-tabbed around until it selected the wow window (but i cant see the alt-tab window manager, so i'm doing it blindly). htne when i get back to wow, there's some kind of lag... it's horrible. seems like the ticrate is 5...

Another thing with nvidia cards (or at least my 2 BFG cards), on my x800xt (at least), fan throttleling turns on during post, making the card inaudible. on my 7800GTs, they only throttle after the driver loads... and they are quite noisy anyway...

And i don't like the nvidia version of refresh rate overide (which doesnt even come as a standard feature).

By the way, this is on a clean install of XP SP2, with installed :
nvidia chipset and GPU drivers
VLC
itunes
wow cartographe
steam
msn
zonealarm

never had any of those problems with my x800.

[perkam]

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF.Any ideas on when its going to be launched next year ?

Thx. :)

Perkam

[AACDIRECT]

Any ideas on when its going to be launched next year ?

Thx. :)

Perkam

NDA lifts this year. ;)

Availabilty....I have no idea....

[DilTech]

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2609&p=4

"While the exact performance results achieved comparing X1800XT Crossfire with 7800GTX SLI can not yet be published, we can tell you we benchmarked with F.E.A.R., Quake 4, Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory, Doom 3, Far Cry, and 3DMark05 at 1600x1200 resolution with 4X AA and 8X AF enabled. ATI X1800XT Crossfire won every benchmark over nVidia 7800GTX SLI in these tests. "


"We then ran all the same tests in single video mode, comparing a single X1800XT on the ATI RD580 to a single 7800GTX on the Asus A8N32-SLI. Benchmarks were run under the same conditions as Crossfire/SLI - 1600x1200/4xAA/8xAF in games and "standard" scores in 3Dmarks and Aquamark 3. Once again the ATI X1800XT on the RD580 was the winner in every benchmark. "

seems like the RD580 + x1800xt is a killer.

They compared it, for one, against the 7800gtx 256mb, not the 512mb. They also used an unreleased mobo/chipset for CF....

Now, I have no doubt CF will be good(after THIS long, it'd BETTER), but I'm not believing a word about it anymore until I see numbers, and everything Available in stores. This is specifically due to the fact that CF was launched 3 times before we finally saw a single mobo or master card....

Current word says that x1800 cf won't be available until q1 2k6, january at the earliest to be exact. So I'd guess NDA lets up 1st week of december, maybe 2nd... Sound right AAC?

Also, perkam, they use the same exact chip, so if the R520 has the cold bug, so will the master card. As for macci and sampsa and the rest, they got engineering samples, ATi probably tested thru their cards to find ones without coldbugs before giving them to those guys. It's kinda like testing 10 FX-57's to find that one that plays nicely in the cold.

Notice sampsa and macci were able to put their x1800's under sub-zero but people here like Dynasty can't even take them to -20C without it locking up.

Don't expect CF MasterCards to fix the coldbug, and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same... If one card has a coldbug and the other doesn't then it's just the same as both having it. See where I'm getting at Perkam?

Finally, Hicks, not the normal GTX. The 512mb GTX vs the x1800xt. The GTX definitely gamed better, first card I've ever seen capable of throwing SSAA at anygame I tried it on!

[biohead]

and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same...

The clocks don't need to be the same

from ATi's Crossfire FAQ:

9. What happens when your CrossFire Edition card and and a compatible standard Radeon (CrossFire Ready) graphics card have different clock speeds?

A. Both cards will continue to operate at their individual clock speeds.

http://www.ati.com/technology/crossfire/faq.html#9

[mR Yellow]

Both card are nice to play with,i think it's just an matter of what you can get a hold on...



Wich is again decided by youre wallet :wiggle:

True. Would be nice to play with both. I know we all love benching. lol.
But one should try both cards in games.

Its a pitty about the x1800 coldbug. I wonder if its driver related?

[ArcTan]

hmm that anantech article linked there says ati will be releasing a x1800xt pe card to go with the 512mb 7800gtx. Sounds interesting

[DilTech]

Yes Arc, We've seen what we believe is the ASUS version. It comes at 650mhz core, 1500mhz ram IIRC. It's not a huge jump. It also still uses the same 1.26ns ram.

[perkam]

Hey Kuan,

Firstly, :welcome: to the forums ;) :up: :woot:

Secondly, I think you meant ... ;)

ATI X1800XT 512MB 499$
ATI X1800XT 256MB 459$
ATI X1800XL 256MB 349$
ATI X1800Pro 512MB 299$

We know that there wont be a 512MB X1800XL...from pre-nda info...but there will be a 512MB X1800PRO...XT rejects basically.

Perkam

[DilTech]

They won't use 1.1ns ram on the pro, they didn't even do it for the XT.

Also, both NV and ATi have been hardlocking pipes lately. Look at all the GTO's that weren't GTO2's. If there's locked pipes, don't expect them to be softlocked.

[Hicks]

I have it and can tell you ATI has a winner. High res AAA/AF gaming has never looked so good. Also expect some suprises in the next driver release from ATI. People are going to be very happy.

I have used 7800 256MB SLI, 7800 512MB SLI, 850 CF and X1800 CF. Of them I would personally want X1800 CF. (It is in my system for the moment.) For a gamer it is awsome. For benchmarks...you guys will have to answer that. 7800 512MB SLI is a beast in 3dmark....it also draws more power than x1800 CF(I run a OC'd dual core A64 with X1800 CF on a 480 Watt PSU with no problems.) and NV's IQ to me was not as good. (HL2 1600 by 1200 6AAA/ 16AF....awsome. )

Also it works on the RDX200 and works with retail cards so you guys that bought stuff are looking good. ;)


Hehehe, excellent, i hope to play all my games at 1600x1200 with 4X AA and 16XAF, apart from FEAR.

I should have my Powercolor X1800XT tomorrow.

[Geforce4ti4200]

I was wondering too. I would of thought the x1800xt had a chance in 3dmark 2001 since ATI has always been ahead in 2001! Its sad they lost even the 2001 performance crown! The 7800 ultra comes close to the x1800xt in clocks but its got 50% more pipes so its just much better. Also Nvidia has the better prices so I see much more 7800s sold than x1800s. No matter, ATI knows the situation and as I expected, r520 was a stop-gap measure, r580 is comming in Jan 2006.

[macci]

I would of thought the x1800xt had a chance in 3dmark 2001 since ATI has always been ahead in 2001! Its sad they lost even the 2001 performance crown!
I dont think we have seen any X1800XT scores with very high system speed yet, so its hard to tell who won and who lost...


http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40516&stc=1
Here's my X1800XT run with 3150MHz CPU speed, as you can see Nature is equal and I dont see a big difference in system scores either (clock to clock), will be interesting to see what can be done with higher CPU clock..and Win2000 and higher card clock ;)

CompareURL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8778250) to the score

[Geforce4ti4200]

wow what clocks was your x1800xt for that nature fps? While I wont predict anything, it would be interesting to see what you can do if you can get the cpu higher. When will you have the time to try to give her all shes got? ;)

[charlie]

But CAN'T you run 2 x x1800xt's in PSEUDO-CROSSFIRE??????

I saw a review where they did it with X1300's or smthg!

C

[Apokalipse]

I dont think we have seen any X1800XT scores with very high system speed yet, so its hard to tell who won and who lost...


http://xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40516&stc=1
Here's my X1800XT run with 3150MHz CPU speed, as you can see Nature is equal and I dont see a big difference in system scores either (clock to clock), will be interesting to see what can be done with higher CPU clock..and Win2000 and higher card clock ;)

CompareURL (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8778250) to the score
was that 7800 GTX setup SLI'd?

ah, either way, they beat the hell out of my systems.
my best overclock is on an Nvidia TNT2 (I'm serious)
which I got from 142 core, 150 mem to 190 core and 200 mem (air cooling)
and the score went from about 1100 to 1600 in mark01.. haha

anyway...
Nvidia has the best card for now, but we can only hope ATI does get ahead. competition is good.

[EmineM]

They compared it, for one, against the 7800gtx 256mb, not the 512mb. They also used an unreleased mobo/chipset for CF....

Now, I have no doubt CF will be good(after THIS long, it'd BETTER), but I'm not believing a word about it anymore until I see numbers, and everything Available in stores. This is specifically due to the fact that CF was launched 3 times before we finally saw a single mobo or master card....

Current word says that x1800 cf won't be available until q1 2k6, january at the earliest to be exact. So I'd guess NDA lets up 1st week of december, maybe 2nd... Sound right AAC?

Also, perkam, they use the same exact chip, so if the R520 has the cold bug, so will the master card. As for macci and sampsa and the rest, they got engineering samples, ATi probably tested thru their cards to find ones without coldbugs before giving them to those guys. It's kinda like testing 10 FX-57's to find that one that plays nicely in the cold.

Notice sampsa and macci were able to put their x1800's under sub-zero but people here like Dynasty can't even take them to -20C without it locking up.

Don't expect CF MasterCards to fix the coldbug, and even if it did it wouldn't help much as clocks have to be the same... If one card has a coldbug and the other doesn't then it's just the same as both having it. See where I'm getting at Perkam?

Finally, Hicks, not the normal GTX. The 512mb GTX vs the x1800xt. The GTX definitely gamed better, first card I've ever seen capable of throwing SSAA at anygame I tried it on!

I do not think that all ATI cards have coldbug. Specially not the new X1800 XT. I have a BBA ATI X1800XT and it can boot at -30 °C. I think its all about BIOS.

Here is my score with my ATI X1800 XT under the Mach II GT
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1486942

[Kunaak]

with no options for crossfire with these, and low availablity the first few weeks + high prices... people were just put off by the card for a few weeks.

Nvidia being smart, used this few weeks, to get thier next card out, and do it in quantity... which, when you have the option of barely being able to find a card, even if it is cheaper... against a card thats readily available... even if alittle more expensive, especially when it's a better card...

seems everyone just skipped the X1800XT and went straight to the 512 7800...

for me personally, the biggest drawback, and number 1 reason why I don't even want to consider a X1800XT... is simply cause theres no option for crossfire still...

+

I don't like the idea of getting reamed for more money, just to be able to do crossfire... especially when SLI works so damn easily.
plug two cards in, enable SLI and your ready...
no need to get screwed on one cards cost, no need to worry about being able to find a master card, thats rare... nothing.

it also doesn't help, that the DFI Crossfire board so far, is questionable at best.

basically, too much, too little, too late.

[eva2000]

oh well impusle buy for me

http://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/photos/X1800XT_044.JPGhttp://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/photos/X1800XT_048.JPG

256MB BFG 7800GTX next to 512MB HIS X1800XT
http://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/photos/X1800XT_109.JPGhttp://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/photos/X1800XT_113.JPG

:D

[mR Yellow]

Nice EVA. :toast:
Can u give us some feedback?

[Hicks]

Heheh nice EVA, i could do exactly the same photo, ive still got my Gainward GS 7800GTX here. :)

Between the 2, the X1800XT is the much better card IMO. Ive tryed a few games breifly, FEAR, D3, and Far Cry, and the XT smokes the GTX, with AA/AF.

Benchies are pretty even, the GTX seems a lot stronger in 03, i score 500 points more in 05 from the XT though.

[perkam]

http://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/photos/X1800XT_048.JPG

DANG !!! That's some good looking card...

Perkam

[mR Yellow]

Heheh nice EVA, i could do exactly the same photo, ive still got my Gainward GS 7800GTX here. :)

Between the 2, the X1800XT is the much better card IMO. Ive tryed a few games breifly, FEAR, D3, and Far Cry, and the XT smokes the GTX, with AA/AF.

Benchies are pretty even, the GTX seems a lot stronger in 03, i score 500 points more in 05 from the XT though.

Thanx Hicks. Always nice to hear from peeps who have both cards.
IMO benching means jack :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana:. Its all about gameplay!

I agree with perkam, thats one sexy card. :slobber:

[Hicks]

Definatly. Obviously a lot of guys here are extreme benchers, but for gaming, the XT is the better choice, of course, i never had a 512mb, but i wouldn't want one.

[eva2000]

DANG !!! That's some good looking card...

Perkam
more pics for you folks http://fileshosts.com/videocards/HIS/X1800XT/html/ :D

[flopper]

Definatly. Obviously a lot of guys here are extreme benchers, but for gaming, the XT is the better choice, of course, i never had a 512mb, but i wouldn't want one.

U had/have both cards, what makes the difference in gameplay in your view?

I have a x1800xt inc soon... :woot:

[Hicks]

U had/have both cards, what makes the difference in gameplay in your view?

I have a x1800xt inc soon... :woot:

Well there's no difference in 'gameplay' obviously, but the XT gets more FPS with better IQ IMO.

Also got a few pics of my Sapphire, with my Digital Camera:
http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict02663ei.jpg
http://img348.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict02679hy.jpg
http://img272.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict02688jn.jpg
http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict02697yw.jpg
http://img124.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pict02708qc.jpg

These cards sure are massive.

I did expect better temps, with the size of the cooler, and all copper.

[mR Yellow]

Well there's no difference in 'gameplay' obviously, but the XT gets more FPS with better IQ IMO.


Well IQ with FPS is what a highend GPU is all about. :slap:

[flopper]

ah, I did mean herm FPS and IQ...vizzles..
So better FPS, nice...

It be interestingt to see what the new system does for me.
changing to asus ar8 from a neo2 with x800pro.

[mR Yellow]

ah, I did mean herm FPS and IQ...vizzles..
So better FPS, nice...

It be interestingt to see what the new system does for me.
changing to asus ar8 from a neo2 with x800pro.

Its going to be a nice upgrade. :p:

[AACDIRECT]

EVA2000 on your card what is the production part number? It is on the PCB by the HSF and should end with a -20? Does it? (I am kind of taking a pole.....)

Also many here know I am testing X1K CF. I have a tidbit of exciting info I can post. I just got another master card. This one is not a non-qualification sample. (Pre-Production sample that is made in Canada) It is a full production part. For those waiting for Crossfire this is a really good sign..... :woot:

[mR Yellow]

EVA2000 on your card what is the production part number? It is on the PCB by the HSF and should end with a -20? Does it? (I am kind of taking a pole.....)

Also many here know I am testing X1K CF. I have a tidbit of exciting info I can post. I just got another master card. This one is not a non-qualification sample. (Pre-Production sample that is made in Canada) It is a full production part. For those waiting for Crossfire this is a really good sign..... :woot:

Great news :clap:
How much will a XL master card cost?

[eva2000]

EVA2000 on your card what is the production part number? It is on the PCB by the HSF and should end with a -20? Does it? (I am kind of taking a pole.....)

P/N = 102A5200120

Whatever that means heh

[G H Z]

Also many here know I am testing X1K CF. I just got another master card. This one is not a non-qualification sample. (Pre-Production sample that is made in Canada) It is a full production part.

:up:

[Hicks]

If i wanted Crossfire, i assume id need a new PSU as well? That kinda puts me off, heh, as id need new mobo, and PSU.

[SIOUX]

If i wanted Crossfire, i assume id need a new PSU as well? That kinda puts me off, heh, as id need new mobo, and PSU.

your OCZ 520w will be just fine for CF :)

[Ampz]

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/2715/desk3vv.jpg

Stock cooling no mods.

[Hicks]

your OCZ 520w will be just fine for CF :)

But don't i need another PCI Express connector?

[SIOUX]

But don't i need another PCI Express connector?


you can just buy a PCi-E plug, witch normaly comes with the GFX:)

[G H Z]

Its hard to tell who won and who lost...

Right ;)

ATI has been more efficient than Nvidia with system power in '01 also even though X1800 seems to have lost a little vs. X850. I think a 3.8Ghz FX or a 7+ Ghz P4 would do the trick nicely on fast XT.

[Viss]

Its doin pretty nice in 3D2k1 so far for me. Stock air.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/loc_oc/44.jpg

[G H Z]

I'll tack on a few more points to that ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/44789756-910.jpg

[SIOUX]

I'll tack on a few more points to that ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/44789756-910.jpg


is that on stock volts???:)

[G H Z]

Nah 1.45v, memory is stock however.

[Viss]

Nice :toast: Goin for 45k tonight.

[SIOUX]

Nah 1.45v, memory is stock however.


strange that you can use the 3d clocks. do you have ati smart and hotkey enabled:confused:

[G H Z]

Yes, the only thing I changed is disabling the tray add-in. Also I don't know if this has anything to do with it but just prior to this bench I used the ATI Uninstaller for the first time, then re-installed 5.11b's. Setting 3D clocks is nice and seems to me the way it's designed. The screen does not black out like it does with 2D changes.

[G H Z]

And I did not install WMD or whatever it's called ;)

[eva2000]

interesting is 5.11b better than 5.11 ?

[AACDIRECT]

I have two X1800 Crossfire systems running now. Both on a 480 Watt PSU. Both are happy. :D

With 7800 512MB the same PSU would not power them in SLI.

I tend to agree with the feeling that X1800 XT is better for gaming. I cannot figure out why but IQ seems better on the ATI cards. Most screen shots show them the same but in game I can see the difference. Maybe it is in my head.

I am curious about X1800XL CF as well. I have not received confirmation that there will be a specific Master card for them. The X1800 XT master card will work with them but it is a question of cost. (One cool thing is that you could buy the X1800 512MB Master card...run it with the X1800 XL and then upgrade to the X1800 XT 512MB card later.)

[Hicks]

I have two X1800 Crossfire systems running now. Both on a 480 Watt PSU. Both are happy. :D

With 7800 512MB the same PSU would not power them in SLI.

I tend to agree with the feeling that X1800 XT is better for gaming. I cannot figure out why but IQ seems better on the ATI cards. Most screen shots show them the same but in game I can see the difference. Maybe it is in my head.

I am curious about X1800XL CF as well. I have not received confirmation that there will be a specific Master card for them. The X1800 XT master card will work with them but it is a question of cost. (One cool thing is that you could buy the X1800 512MB Master card...run it with the X1800 XL and then upgrade to the X1800 XT 512MB card later.)

Dam, you are so lucky having X1800XT CF!!!!:p

I agree about the gaming bit, iam much more impressed with this XT, than the GTX.

I wasn't going to get CF, but if it totally owns i might have to, lol. Id only need a new mobo i think, 520Watt OCZ iam told is good enough.

[AACDIRECT]

Dam, you are so lucky having X1800XT CF!!!!:p

I agree about the gaming bit, iam much more impressed with this XT, than the GTX.

I wasn't going to get CF, but if it totally owns i might have to, lol. Id only need a new mobo i think, 520Watt OCZ iam told is good enough.

Real lucky. I love it....1600 by 1200 with 6X AAA and 16 AF in HL2. :slobber:

Your 520 OCZ should be fine.

[Hicks]

I suppose your not allowed to show some benchies and that?

How does CF XT's handle FEAR and Quake 4?

[AACDIRECT]

I suppose your not allowed to show some benchies and that?

How does CF XT's handle FEAR and Quake 4?

:nono: NDA.

Lets just say it does a good job.

[iboomalot]

ATI better get some benches out in the market X-max is coming in 3 weeks and will take a few days for the results to get to the readers so they can save up for $1200.00 worth of video cards.

oh ya and a mobo change too.

[Gnome]

:nono: NDA.

Lets just say it does a good job.

when does it expire ? :slobber:

i have the same thing as far as IQ, and so does all my friends, on simple game like cs 1.6 :
all my 4 buddies have nvidia cards, i had a 9600xt on my passive lan box, and they were all gathered around my screen saying "wow, your cs looks nice".

i thought cs 1.6 was a crap looking game with crap textures, but when i saw their screens :slap:

[Bar81]

when does it expire ? :slobber:



Usually, the expiration of the NDA is under NDA.

[AACDIRECT]

Usually, the expiration of the NDA is under NDA.


HAHA that is the truth. I can't tell you when I can tell you. :rolleyes:

[IceMole]

I'm going with a x1800XT because it's $499 vs $699 and they have them in stock. I'm a nvidia guy but ATIs IQ has always impressed me. I hope this card doesn't let me down. :slapass:

[Dynasty]

Two X1800XT's in CF are really going to impress
alot of people around here. :)

[elvicco]

Usually, the expiration of the NDA is under NDA.
So when does the NDA on the NDA on the NDA end?:p:

[AACDIRECT]

So when does the NDA on the NDA on the NDA end?:p:

LOL That date is under NDA....

[Hicks]

Two X1800XT's in CF are really going to impress
alot of people around here. :)

If it's ever out before were all old and grey.....

[perkam]

If it's ever out before were all old and grey..... Ask aunt ugly, i believe he's already old and grey...maybe he should get an XT :D

:lol: @ NDA gentlemen, but lets stay on topic...or perhaps you'll like to do that when the nda is removed, whenever that is :p:

I'm pretty sure ATI's fixing xf drivers right now so that two XTs in crossfire can get a reasonable 05 score at stock, so that the reviewers dont eat it all up :p:

Perkam

[AACDIRECT]

I'm pretty sure ATI's fixing xf drivers right now so that two XTs in crossfire can get a reasonable 05 score at stock, so that the reviewers dont eat it all up :p:

Perkam

That could be.... I beta test drivers for ATI. I have tested 3 driver sets for X1K CF so far. (One based on Cat 5.11 and two newer ones.) Each one has been an improvement. The Cat 5.12 driver has some cool non CF improvements too. I expect that it will be posted by ATI soon. It should make people happy. :)

EDIT: Got to love Anand. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2629 They did not run 3dmark but it was a major improvement.

[taurus_sel]

I'll believe that. ;) Wesley Fink @ Anandtech already reported that X1800 Crossfire beat 7800 GTX SLI in all benchmarks that they tried including Quake and FEAR.


:nono: NDA.

Lets just say it does a good job.

[Dynasty]

I'll believe that. ;) Wesley Fink @ Anandtech already reported that X1800 Crossfire beat 7800 GTX SLI in all benchmarks that they tried including Quake and FEAR.

Which gtx are we talking about in SLI the 256 or 512mb cards ??

[taurus_sel]

256

Which gtx are we talking about in SLI the 256 or 512mb cards ??

[Hicks]

EDIT: Got to love Anand. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2629 They did not run 3dmark but it was a major improvement.

Not really, who games at those low res's with a X1800?, but then again, it's bound to be like this, as the higher the res, the more empahsison the GPU, Nvidia's drivers are the same.

Iam glad ATI are getting some DC drivers out, thats the only thing i miss from my 7800GTX, knowing i had some nice DC optimized drivers.

The drivers don't offer much increase, but any increase is decent IMO, it's free after all.

[Vassili]

That could be.... I beta test drivers for ATI. I have tested 3 driver sets for X1K CF so far. (One based on Cat 5.11 and two newer ones.) Each one has been an improvement. The Cat 5.12 driver has some cool non CF improvements too. I expect that it will be posted by ATI soon. It should make people happy. :)

EDIT: Got to love Anand. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2629 They did not run 3dmark but it was a major improvement.
Do you think they will improve the dual-core thing more? Would be very nice though.
And I guess you can't be more detailed about the non CF improvements? :)

[AACDIRECT]

Do you think they will improve the dual-core thing more? Would be very nice though.
And I guess you can't be more detailed about the non CF improvements? :)

They are always making imporvements so I would guess that more are to come. I can't really say more on beta drivers. I signed a specific NDA that does not allow me to talk about it. (One improvement is dual-core support....in CF it makes a nice performance increase. Anand did not test that.... ;) )

[dnottis]

I've owned both cards too. I still feel the ATI products have better IQ, better AA and no shimmering AF. The GTX 512 is fast but the IQ just isnt there. Games like Heroes Of The Pacific has nasty shimmering but with AA on disappears on the ATI cards - it does not on the NV.

Also, all the reviews of these two cards are always done with the GTX 512 in "QUALITY" mode, which anyone that has owned an NV card knows shimmers waaay to much to actually use. Everyone uses HIGH QUALITY so the performance in the reviews is not apples to apples - when DriverHeaven.net (http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/7800512dhreview/high.htm) tested them both on HQ with aa / af on the X1800XT was faster. Also, my GTX 512 clocks to about 590 on the Core 1.77 on the memory (stock is 550/1.75), the X1800XT does 680 core on stock volts - so when overclocking is taken into account I think we'd see the X1800XT as the faster overall card with AA / AF on and using High Quality settings.

Just my 2 cents - also in COD and COD2 there are still some alpha blending issues with smoke on the NV hardware, and GTA SA looks far better on the ATI cards. Older games like Crimson Skies wont work with AA on the NV cards but are perfect on the ATI cards still. I know these are just observations but overall the ATI card and drivers just seem more compatible with old games and are still more efficient with AA / AF on.

Dean

[Gnome]

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9931/dedust200187mf.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dedust200187mf.jpg)
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7888/dedust200207im.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dedust200207im.jpg)

that's between high quality and high performance, my ATI card never did that... i could actually put my catalyst sliders onto "performance" and not even see any difference. in high performance the textures are a bit fluffier but nothing to shake a stick at. (in performance mode the textures shimmer way too much on the nvidia cards to be even playable...)

EDIT : rendered on an x700pro in all "high performance"
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2073/dedust20018ati8mj.th.jpg (http://img486.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dedust20018ati8mj.jpg)

[G H Z]

Cold bug is gone, no need to kill the .exe from task manager. Well you can do it that way but in order to do that you need to boot first to the OS so you have Task Manager. If you simply disable ATI Smart & ATI Hotkey Poller from the Serives Manager the .exe never loads :)

Here my latest.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8817492
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/46313823-963.jpg

[mR Yellow]

Awesome GHZ :toast:
So u say u found a way to bypass the cold boot issue?

[G H Z]

Here's a picture. I'm not sure who came up with this (I think Mike Guava suggested killing the process that one of these two services load on startup. But yes it works perfectly. Just disable the two ATI Services as seen here ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/ColdFix.jpg

[mR Yellow]

Thanx for the heads up. :clap:
Does this disbable temp monitoring? and does it improve OC'ing?

[Sampsa]

Cold bug is gone

How about below -45C?

[Dynasty]

Thanx for the heads up. :clap:
Does this disbable temp monitoring? and does it improve OC'ing?

That would of have to be done through the cards bios.

[deathman20]

I've always disabled those services, less crap running in the background that doesn't seem to do a thing. All temp monitoring/ocing/volt increases and such still exists.

Kill them and enjoy a happier computer :)

[macci]

How about below -45C?
As far as I can tell the chip doesn't have a coldbug - we had cooler base temp at like -130C @ IBiza, remember? ;)
All temp related problems are software/temp monitoring related..

[Overklokk]

As far as I can tell the chip doesn't have a coldbug - we had cooler base temp at like -130C @ IBiza, remember? ;)
All temp related problems are software/temp monitoring related..

Doo you think that a bios from one of the Ibitza cards wil work on a retail XT? And can it get the cold bug away?

So far i hawe 865/1017Mhz and it is the best 01 an 05 scores on orb with X1800xt but it cant handle temp belov -45 :(

I think -90c can give me alot more.... if i can get it too work.

Macci can you send me your bios so i can test it out?

[macci]

I'm in Canada and my ibiza card is back in Finland :/
I'm quite sure that the BIOS is not compatible with retail cards thou. So -45C is the limit, is that the evap temp?
You had to disable the ATI services in order to get it to run at -45C?

Impressive clocks and score there so far, what Vgpu have you used?

[Overklokk]

I'm in Canada and my ibiza card is back in Finland :/
I'm quite sure that the BIOS is not compatible with retail cards thou. So -45C is the limit, is that the evap temp?
You had to disable the ATI services in order to get it to run at -45C?

Impressive clocks and score there so far, what Vgpu have you used?


Yes i must shut down the servicees... -45 on evap is the limit.. about -39 in ATI tool :( If it gets colder the pictures start shaking on the monitor and its artifact alot... With -50c on evap i cant even get a boot screen :(

I used 1,55v on GPU Mem stock volt.

[FUGGER]

Thanks GHZ

Trying the XL first

[G H Z]

I'll be trying DI tomorrow on my XT, maybe I can help clarify whether this is another level of cold bug or something else entirely.

[Overklokk]

I'll be trying DI tomorrow on my XT, maybe I can help clarify whether this is another level of cold bug or something else entirely.

Nice :)

Gl an let us know if it works :)

[G H Z]

Well no DI yet but did a little '03 & '05. These approved drivers are definately slower than the Cat 5.12's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/22060-783-954.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v31/canny/11791-810-954.jpg

[althes]

Things are looking good there.